Just a reminder, humid weather makes cars seem shit slow. Not so much the heat, but when it's HUMID it really kills performance.
My area is 90% cool weather so I can bet that those times would me mid twelves in my area. Also don't forget a MAGAZINE ran 12.9 @ 113 stock.
WormBoy, please go to the track on a nice cool day (if you ever have those in Texas)for some good results.
I love how most people ignored the fact it was hot and humid that day. I hate BREATHING on humid days, let alone race a car.
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I think the biggest problem is lack of change between tuned and untuned especially with a cold air kit as well. I added a lid and a hypertech tune to my 98 SS and gained 3 or 4 mph nad 1/2 sec.
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Depending on what time of the day you ran it was average 81 degrees with 60-70% humidity at your track which has an elevation of 34 feet above sea level. That puts the approximate DA at 1914 feet. The LS2 and LS3 ECM's have very aggressive timing reduction based on IAT. On my TB SS it's reduced as much as 8 degrees at some temps, so I would imagine the Camaro is similar. This makes a noticeable difference in performance between hot and cooler weather.
FWIW - My TA ran 13.2 @ 105mph bone stock and 13.4x in hot weather.
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Congrats on the great results! I think the numbers are pretty good considering the fact your launching on a 20inch wheel with street tires,IRS and 300-400 lbs heavier then an F-Body.
The way I look at it is if you put 300-400 lbs and IRS with 20 inch wheels on an F-Body what kinda results do you think you would see? Keep up the good work guys!
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Suprised no one is talking about putting a solid axle in one yet as much as I thought I would. They are respectable #'s, wait for the cold weather to start coming back and they will starting seeing 12's day in and out most likely. Running at 85* outside isn't exactly optimal conditons. Even the guys who ran 12's with stock 4th Gens wouldn't have a chance at sub 13's with that kind of weather and the DA to boot...
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One of the g8gxp's ran 12.81 at 109 bone stock. It was an A6 and it was cooler then the conditions this car ran under. Same basic ls3 with 415hp, the M6's gxp's haven't run that fast yet, the autos just seem to 60' better. My g8 ran 13.57 with just an Cai and mufflers, but, my top speeds weren't even close to those which tells me the car just doesn't 60' that well. Mine were 2.05's to 2.08 60' times. Was this car a stick or auto?
Another neat thing about modding the 5th Gen is that if you put an aftermarket exhaust on, not only will you get horsepower but I the stock exhaust weighs 82 POUNDS! You get +HP and weight reduction!
imo those times are GAY my stock 98 b4c 3.23 gears with 150k miles paper filter and a true street tire 104 degrees out all stock with a 2.2 60 ft went 13.27 at 104.9 if it sounds like im mad its because im not even slightly impressed with these number the cars a 2010 for god sake those 13.50's at 108 was impressive in late 1996 when the ls1 corvette debuted not impressive at all in 2010
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imo those times are GAY my stock 98 b4c 3.23 gears with 150k miles paper filter and a true street tire 104 degrees out all stock with a 2.2 60 ft went 13.27 at 104.9 if it sounds like im mad its because im not even slightly impressed with these number the cars a 2010 for god sake those 13.50's at 108 was impressive in late 1996 when the ls1 corvette debuted not impressive at all in 2010
The car weighs 3900 lbs, has IRS and sports 20" street tires. What were you expecting?
Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as a tad rude to start a thread like this and then never return to answer questions or even be part of the discussion they started? In post #2 I asked if this was an auto or manual and I still don't have an answer. I'm assuming it's a manual but it would be nice if wormboy chimed back in to confirm.
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i was really hoping that the new camaro would be a clear cut 12 second car--- just to put everyone back in their place just like they did with the lt1, and then the ls1. mind you some people are getting some rather impressive trap speeds out of them--- no stock ls1 has ever hit 111 mph. when shitty mags like MT get a 13 flat out of it you know there is some speed in this car. i think with nothing more than a set of mickey thompson drag radials it would be a mid 12 sec car. looking forward to hearing more, because my 02 ws6 is creeping up on 25,000 miles and needs to be parked soon.
you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x
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you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x
You guys have to remember this car weighed over 4000lbs with ME in it and the DA was around 2k. This car WILL run 12.7's all day long in better weather. Here is a copy and paste from another thread for those of you that wanted to see what the CAI will do by itself without a tune...
We finally installed our first prduction Cold Air Induction System on a 2010 Camaro SS! This is the same car that baselined 356rwhp two days ago. He came back on friday to install our first cold air induction system. Here is the dyno graph....
First run was bone stock
Second run was LMR Cold Air Induction ONLY
Third run was LMR CAI and TUNE
We got almost the exact same results as our prototype. All test runs were made under the same temperature conditions. Who knows what this thing would make if we let it sit over night and cool off.
If anyone has any questions or would like to place an order, please feel free to shoot me an email at steven@latemodelracecraft.com or just give me a call at the shop.!
The CAI is going to retail for $399.99. The first fifty orders will get a $50 discount. To get on the list you will have to put down a deposit to hold your spot in line. I think I have 22 already pre ordered. Just give me a call at the shop so I can recieve all your information. Thanks.
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Too many PMs, please call or email the shop...thanks!
The car weighs 3900 lbs, has IRS and sports 20" street tires. What were you expecting?
Is it just me or does it strike anyone else as a tad rude to start a thread like this and then never return to answer questions or even be part of the discussion they started? In post #2 I asked if this was an auto or manual and I still don't have an answer. I'm assuming it's a manual but it would be nice if wormboy chimed back in to confirm.
It was a manual car...they need to understand this car was in bad weather and had less than 100 miles on it....this friday Teambaddass and LMR will post up a 12 second pass for you guys in shit weather with just a Late Model Racecraft Cold air kit and there tune...That i can promise...If there open that is
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you know im sorry but the camaro jsut seems like another pig now. The numbers its putting down thus far arent great, the times are REALLY disappointing. Why would you want to spend 35k on a low 13 second car? I'd pick up a 370Z before I would the camaro at this point. 5k more and you can have a C6 LS3 vette and be a lot lighter a lot faster and still be able to do drag raing AND auto x
You realize that the 370Z is a) about the same price as a 1ss b) pulls a slower trap speed than the 1ss and c) the camaro lapped the the ring faster than the 350Z. Let's face it the 370Z isn't a much better performer than the 350Z (13.7@104 vs. 13.4@107 [C&D]).
Like the original poster has said, it was crap weather and the car hadn't even been broken in yet.
Edit: On a side note the best time C&D got with a LS2 Vette was a 12.6@114. The fat LS3 Camaro is matching the trap speed of that 3280lb car.
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That car is a pig. 426 horses gets you 13.0's. I think I will keep my LS1. Those SS cars are expensive and imo look ugly. Hopefully the Z28 lives up to its name.
