What in the hell is wrong with people. So this is a slow time...so what. Some mags ran 13.8 with the ls1 cars at 103mph.
Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?
13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?
Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.
but let me guess...this still isnt good enough
and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.
Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.
A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car
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What in the hell is wrong with people. So this is a slow time...so what. Some mags ran 13.8 with the ls1 cars at 103mph.
Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?
13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?
Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.
but let me guess...this still isnt good enough
and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.
Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.
A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car
well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....
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well i ran a 12.50 pass tonite @ HRP with LMR's cai and tune...will post the vid tomorrow....
Congratulations! I was convinced after seeing worm boy thrash his 2010 after some 8 passes that what he showed us was about as good as it was gonna get. I’m corrected and sorry I was so negative about the times in this thread.
This video sucks, but one of my boys had the video camera, so I was relegated to the digital camera again. What's worse is that I was sitting in the stands because my feet were tired and I did not see anything spectacular in the line coming up. When I saw this car in the tunnel I did not have time to get down the stands and get close. Any way here is the video.
Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?
Because that's the nature of the beast.
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13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?
The car is ok. I wanted to see this car blow away the ls1 but instead it's a drivers race for ET. The trap speed is impressive though for such a heavy car. Imagine if GM had made this car weigh 3500 lbs and not given it an IRS
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Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.
I don't know about mid 12's 100% stock. A 2.1 60' in this car will be an accomplishment in itself. But with just sticky tires these cars are mid 12's all day long.
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but let me guess...this still isnt good enough
It's more then good enough for nice fast street car. Not sure I would pick it for a guy like me with a serious addiction to quarter mile drag racing.
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and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.
Don't forget the 20" street tires and IRS. I'm curious to see what the autos can do with just a halfway decent launch which right now seems to be a 2.2 60'.
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Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.
No vipers or ferraris but I have seen a lot of C6 Z06's running 12's, 03/04 Cobras running 13's and LS1's running high 13's/low 14's. I'm with you on this one. Bad drivers or in some cases a bad setup (IRS + street tires for example) make fast cars look slow.
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A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car
Definately. The trap speeds and dyno results prove the new Camaro is faster then the ls1 fbody. I just wish the new camaro was an fbody. Then we'd be talking about how they already hit mid 12's and discussing the potential for low 12's
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come on Guys This Numbers are Not Good At All.
how much 02 camaro ss could Go?
8 years later they made the car which is nearlly same performance,
its not Good
why they didnt made faster camaro?
:-(
8 years of waiting for 13 sec car?
Gm is SUCKS after what they did to pontiac and stop production line for that brand we will miss Fire Birds ...who can live with out transam?
and they launched the car which is not WO0O0o0oW AT ALL.
12.58 is a nice time for those mods. Some people in this thread either like stirring the pot or are just too ignorant to realize how stupid they sound.
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Some people in this thread either like stirring the pot or are just too ignorant to realize how stupid they sound.
Everyone is just expressing thier opinions. Some people think a 13 second car is fast while others think your slow until you hit 9's. Neither is wrong. Neither is stupid. Neither is ignorant.
It's the same thing here. Some people are impressed with the new camaro and some are dissappointed. Neither is wrong because neither can be right. Not when discussing personal opinions anyway.
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Everyone is just expressing thier opinions. Some people think a 13 second car is fast while others think your slow until you hit 9's. Neither is wrong. Neither is stupid. Neither is ignorant.
It's the same thing here. Some people are impressed with the new camaro and some are dissappointed. Neither is wrong because neither can be right. Not when discussing personal opinions anyway.
I understand that "fast" is relative, my problem is all the bitching about a few tenths. The fact that a few mags ran low 13's with this car instead of high 12's seems to be the issue for most in this thread. For people to be bashing this car because it ran a 13.0 vs. 12.7 is ignorant and stupid. I somehow doubt GM's only objective was to build a drag car.
Most seem to forget the fact that the 5th gen is light years ahead of previous generations in almost every other way. And for those that seem to think the LS1 was a low 13 sec car need to think again. Yes it happened, but on average they were a mid 13's car, I even remember more than one mag running them in the high 13's. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, some just seem to be more logical than others
Most of the bashing also seems to be coming from those that weren't even old enough to wipe their own ass when LT1's were roaming the streets, let alone the almighty TPI, TBI, CFI and carbed crap from the 80's. If this car is such a dog, please take a ride in any of the above mentioned vehicles and get back to me...and that's not directed at your Darren.
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Lol that probably shut half the people up in this thread who were complaining about the car, nice run man
Our "complaint" was the car was a low to mid 13 second car stock straight from the dealer. And it seems that is still probably true. We need some guys to take the car to the track with nothing done to it and report the results.
Yeah, he ran 12.58, but his car is not bone stock - as he stated he had CAI and a tune. It was 77 degrees out side when he made that pass. It was a very impressive run. After he puts headers and exhaust on it should really fly. I look forward to seeing it lay down some low 12's with only a few things done to it.
You can't satisfy everyone. In my opinion, the car is far better than it's predecessor. Unfortunately, for alot of us on these boards, a car's worth is defined a 1/4 mile at a time. Yeah the car may not be as fast as some of us would've liked but you're getting a lot of preformance for your money.
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Nice car but those numbers aren't that great. I was expecting 12's stock without much trouble but those are LS1 times. Actually my 02 had a better ET whan it was stock.
+1 how much does that package cost $500 plus for what a 1mph gain? That is a freaking joke most guys can do the ziptie mod and gain more mph then that and the cost is free. Those who say those are pretty good numbers need a reality check.
Our "complaint" was the car was a low to mid 13 second car stock straight from the dealer. And it seems that is still probably true. We need some guys to take the car to the track with nothing done to it and report the results.
Yeah, he ran 12.58, but his car is not bone stock - as he stated he had CAI and a tune. It was 77 degrees out side when he made that pass. It was a very impressive run. After he puts headers and exhaust on it should really fly. I look forward to seeing it lay down some low 12's with only a few things done to it.
