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11-04-2008, 09:09 AM
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#1 | | Teching In
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| Does anyone No-lift power shift their V. Does anyone shift thru the gears without lifting off of the throttle? If so do you notice a delay or hesitation after letting the clutch back out?
It almost seems like the throttle actuator closes the throttle when the clutch is depressed, then delays for a split second reopening the butterfly?
I am wondering if anyone has felt his before. Or if not maybe I have a problem elsewhere, Clutch actuator? But it doesn't over-rev or bounce off of the limiter.
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11-04-2008, 09:40 AM
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#2 | | TECH Fanatic
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| I don't. Is the delay clutch slip or is it like the motor revs down some?
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11-04-2008, 11:25 AM
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#3 | | Teching In
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| Its not clutch slip because on the 2-3 shift when it reacts it lifts the whole front of the car and twists it to the left. Its kinda cool but the delay drives me nutz.
Its like the PCM sees the clutch being depressed and with no change in throttle it must back off the opening angle on the throttle body then when it gets a signal from the clutch switch that the clutch is out it goes back to 100% throttle angle.
Its more prevalent on the 2-3 and 3-4 upshifts. 1-2 it doesn't seem to delay. |
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11-04-2008, 11:32 AM
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#4 | | TECH Fanatic
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| Take traction control off and try it 
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Originally Posted by SSquid see let me explain my luck... I would of hit him like you did... but my head would of fell off... then a samuri sword would of flown out the airvent and impaled my shoulder then the car would of burst into flames and amazingly the ac would of turned on blowing dry ice temp. and turned my burning corpse into a icecicle then some idiot seagulls would of eatin me.... | |
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11-04-2008, 12:38 PM
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#5 | | TECH Apprentice
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| I did it at the track and blew the tires of 1-4th going through the traps.
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11-04-2008, 12:41 PM
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#6 | | Teching In
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Originally Posted by CORNER CARVER Does anyone shift thru the gears without lifting off of the throttle? If so do you notice a delay or hesitation after letting the clutch back out?
It almost seems like the throttle actuator closes the throttle when the clutch is depressed, then delays for a split second reopening the butterfly?
I am wondering if anyone has felt his before. Or if not maybe I have a problem elsewhere, Clutch actuator? But it doesn't over-rev or bounce off of the limiter. | I noticed the exact same thing you are describing at the dragstrip on the 3-4 shift. It's a delay after you come off cluth before it get's going again. Probably about .2-.3 sec.
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11-04-2008, 01:18 PM
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#7 | | TECH Enthusiast
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| Its probably the V gods trying to save your diff from exploding.
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11-04-2008, 01:22 PM
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#8 | | Launching!
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Originally Posted by CTSV_510 Its probably the V gods trying to save your diff from exploding. | agree, and i was never a fan of downrev powershifting. I have yet to see someone who can pull it off effectively as fast as I can clutch, and Ive seen enough transmissions come through vehicle floors that I wont do it even if there was a gun to my head.
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11-04-2008, 02:12 PM
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#9 | | Teching In
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Originally Posted by jonecap I noticed the exact same thing you are describing at the dragstrip on the 3-4 shift. It's a delay after you come off cluth before it get's going again. Probably about .2-.3 sec. | I guess I'm not going crazy. It doesn't seem to be a problem just a glich thats annoying.
After driving it during lunch break and trying the 2-3 power shift I came to the quick conclusion that regardless of the quirks of the CTS-V I really LOVE THIS CAR!
I have longed for this car since it came out and raced in 2004. Its a perfect blend of luxury and badass. So I guess I will have to live with its minor pitfalls. |
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11-04-2008, 02:16 PM
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#10 | | Teching In
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Originally Posted by Cts-Voodoo agree, and i was never a fan of downrev powershifting. | By this do you mean shifting with no clutch only a blip of the throttle? |
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11-04-2008, 02:42 PM
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#11 | | Launching!
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Originally Posted by CORNER CARVER By this do you mean shifting with no clutch only a blip of the throttle? | full throttle, let off for a 1/10th of a second to allow engine to start down reving, slam shifter into next gear. Apparently it works, but Ive only watched terrible things happen lol
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11-04-2008, 02:46 PM
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#12 | | Banned
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| and this one time, at band camp,
i stuck a flute im my turbo. ({!})
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11-04-2008, 04:54 PM
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#13 | | On The Tree
Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hilltown
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| There was a delay in the F body slave hydraulic circuit that caused some delay in the bleeding off of the pressure. On a brutal power shift you could slip the clutch because the hydraulic had not let all the fluid out.
On my V I have done a few abusive shifts and noticed a whole lot of drivetrain twist. I think this is the motor mounts squishing around and it feels like a delay.
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11-04-2008, 04:59 PM
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#14 | | Teching In
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| Something at times feels like a delay. |
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11-04-2008, 07:42 PM
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#15 | | Teching In
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Originally Posted by Cts-Voodoo agree, and i was never a fan of downrev powershifting. I have yet to see someone who can pull it off effectively as fast as I can clutch, and Ive seen enough transmissions come through vehicle floors that I wont do it even if there was a gun to my head. | Here's one of my passes on my ol' C4. In the video in my sig, I shift at 6,500 rpm, never lift and the car doesn't seem to mind a bit. I can guarantee my V would not like it though (wheel hop). You've got to have your shifting nailed to pull it off though.
__________________ '05 CTS-V - stock for the moment
'06 Impala SS - 13.75 @ 101 stock
'96 Vette LT4 - LT4 Hotcam, 4.10 gears, exhaust, and a little nitrous...
7.012...1/8
102.9...1/8 mph
10.88...1/4
128.0...1/4mph
Motor only pass 11.79 @ 117.97 at Rockingham http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nF_Y5SVw-4 |
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11-04-2008, 07:43 PM
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#16 | | TECH Fanatic
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Originally Posted by jonecap Here's one of my passes on my old Corvette. I shift at 6,500 rpm, never lift and the car doesn't seem to mind a bit. I can guarantee my V would not like it though (wheel hop). You've got to have your shifting nailed to pull it off though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nF_Y5SVw-4 | If i drive mine like that, it just spins... no hopping.
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Originally Posted by SSquid see let me explain my luck... I would of hit him like you did... but my head would of fell off... then a samuri sword would of flown out the airvent and impaled my shoulder then the car would of burst into flames and amazingly the ac would of turned on blowing dry ice temp. and turned my burning corpse into a icecicle then some idiot seagulls would of eatin me.... | |
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11-04-2008, 07:59 PM
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#17 | | Teching In
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| I gave my brother a ride the other day and he thought he felt the tires spinning in every gear (through fourth). I dont know if he felt spin but it was definatly moving. We came up on 90 and traffic in a hurry. He was very impressed with the V. I think he was more impressed when I ran it up to 35 and slammed on the brakes! |
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11-04-2008, 08:25 PM
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#18 | | Registered User
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| I know the 09 V has the NO Lift Shift... BAD ASS!! |
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11-05-2008, 02:51 AM
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#19 | | On The Tree
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| Honestly your not doing anything but hurting your trans my not using the clutch. It has been proven that you will not gain any e.t. from doing this. Actually in most cases you will run a slower e.t. at the track.
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11-05-2008, 08:15 AM
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#20 | | Teching In
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| I think that not using the clutch is just a bad idea.
If it were a good idea, the manufacturers would have been all over it along time ago.
Use the clutch, its there for a reason. |
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