Not really sure what all is going on here. For what it is worth let me sure share something with you all. When I had my stock 92K mile engine in the car with a weight of 3,665 lbs. It only had long tube headers and 3.70 gears with ET Streets it ran 1.54 60 foot 7.533 at 89.14 1/8 mile and 11.94 at 111.17 1/4 mile. The valve covers had never been taken off the engine and it even had an LS1 intake on it. You can see you ran faster then me at that time your car is making some power.
That same engine with the stock auto, converter and stock 10 bolt with 323 gears put down 329 HP and 350 TQ before I installed the TH400, stall converter and 9 inch rear which we all know only takes away HP and TQ so if my car can run a 7.53 1/8 ET and a 11.94 1/4 ET with lower HP and TQ numbers then I stated above yours will run better once you get traction.
Now change the torque arm and add the drag sway bar and put some ET Drags on the car and get the ET downs. I was running the above times with all stock parts on the front of the car minus the sway bar and stock sway bar on the back with air bag in right rear.
Good luck! You actually only need the right air bag!
N2
I think this is what JonCr96Z was trying to say. He is just more of a pennis about things.
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I think this is what JonCr96Z was trying to say. He is just more of a pennis about things.
Actually I am still not for sure what he is attempting to say.
Lemons had 94 MPH's on his runs so the car has some power. I was simply showing that if you put the power to the ground it can run a number.
That maybe the case for both cars not sure. If my car can turn a 7.53 1/8 mile ET with a stock engine with only headers and a lid through an LS1 intake at 3,665 lbs. I would think there should be no problem for 6.90's out of Lemons car once he puts the power to the ground. One thing is for sure if you spinning your are losing ET. If he installs a 26 inch ET Drag he will pick up a full tenth with just adding the slicks if not more.
I will add I never ran my ET Streets below 14.5 lbs. and I will never install them on my car again!!
N2
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No, that wasn't what I was trying to say. I really am not sure what that is saying.
I was saying that in January we was so sure that his car would be out of my league and as it turns out, it isn't/wasn't. It may be shortly but it wouldn't have been back then. Cold weather may have made more problems for him hooking and he could have been worse off.
I think I am pretty clear on what I am saying if you are not getting traction you are losing ET that is plan and simple.
As I stated if he wants to pick up ET the car needs to go down the track with the tires applying the power to the ground. I also stated you may have the same issue not sure since I no nothing about your car! What I gather is it must be slower then Lemons based on the post in this thread!
Not bashing anyone. I hope this helps clear up any misunderstandings.
N2
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Best NA 1/4 mile, 60 ft. 1.394, ET 10.532, MPH 125.92
Best Nitrous 1/4 mile, 75 HP, 60 ft. 1.343, ET 10.254, MPH 129.51
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Not really sure what all is going on here. For what it is worth let me sure share something with you all. When I had my stock 92K mile engine in the car with a weight of 3,665 lbs. It only had long tube headers and 3.70 gears with ET Streets it ran 1.54 60 foot 7.533 at 89.14 1/8 mile and 11.94 at 111.17 1/4 mile. The valve covers had never been taken off the engine and it even had an LS1 intake on it. You can see you ran faster then me at that time your car is making some power.
That same engine with the stock auto, converter and stock 10 bolt with 323 gears put down 329 HP and 350 TQ before I installed the TH400, stall converter and 9 inch rear which we all know only takes away HP and TQ so if my car can run a 7.53 1/8 ET and a 11.94 1/4 ET with lower HP and TQ numbers then I stated above yours will run better once you get traction.
Now change the torque arm and add the drag sway bar and put some ET Drags on the car and get the ET downs. I was running the above times with all stock parts on the front of the car minus the sway bar and stock sway bar on the back with air bag in right rear.
Good luck! You actually only need the right air bag!
N2
thanks man!
actually going thursday night to pick up a set of drag bags and installing them friday before i head to the track..
like you did, and like i have been saying.. if you look at the entire slip (not just the et) the car has a LOT more left in it...
im saving now for a TQ arm and a rear sway bar!
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I think this is what JonCr96Z was trying to say. He is just more of a pennis about things.
i dont think he has any point/direction in many of his posts..
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Actually I am still not for sure what he is attempting to say.
Lemons had 94 MPH's on his runs so the car has some power. I was simply showing that if you put the power to the ground it can run a number.
That maybe the case for both cars not sure. If my car can turn a 7.53 1/8 mile ET with a stock engine with only headers and a lid through an LS1 intake at 3,665 lbs. I would think there should be no problem for 6.90's out of Lemons car once he puts the power to the ground. One thing is for sure if you spinning your are losing ET. If he installs a 26 inch ET Drag he will pick up a full tenth with just adding the slicks if not more.
I will add I never ran my ET Streets below 14.5 lbs. and I will never install them on my car again!!
N2
6.9s isnt a problem.. but like i have stated, huntsville is not known for its times... cars run slower than they "should"... 6.9s is screaming there.. and like i told jon he wouldnt be seeing his o so precious 7.4s there..
i am also going to a slick ASAP... wont be this track visit, but probably the next..
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No, that wasn't what I was trying to say. I really am not sure what that is saying.
I was saying that in January we was so sure that his car would be out of my league and as it turns out, it isn't/wasn't. It may be shortly but it wouldn't have been back then. Cold weather may have made more problems for him hooking and he could have been worse off.
im saying that in January i would have still drug you down the track.. just like i would now... just like i would in 6 months..
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I think I am pretty clear on what I am saying if you are not getting traction you are losing ET that is plan and simple.
As I stated if he wants to pick up ET the car needs to go down the track with the tires applying the power to the ground. I also stated you may have the same issue not sure since I no nothing about your car! What I gather is it must be slower then Lemons based on the post in this thread!
Not bashing anyone. I hope this helps clear up any misunderstandings.
N2
yes, his car his slower....... but i need nitrous to beat him... go figure..
again, thanks man.. and to everyone else contributing to the thread..
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how did this shit fight start anyway? 1/8th mile is all about gearing, traction and stall. A less powerful car wont start getting drug until the end of the 1/8th. Lemons has a easy 100RWHP on him id say and the farther the race goes the more he will win by. Im sure i could get my LT1 to run in the 7s with enough gear,stall,slicks, weight reduction but it would fall on its face after the 330 mark but still do a reasonable time, its not rocket science.
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how did this shit fight start anyway? 1/8th mile is all about gearing, traction and stall. A less powerful car wont start getting drug until the end of the 1/8th. Lemons has a easy 100RWHP on him id say and the farther the race goes the more he will win by. Im sure i could get my LT1 to run in the 7s with enough gear,stall,slicks, weight reduction but it would fall on its face after the 330 mark but still do a reasonable time, its not rocket science.
i dont even remember dude.. some old thread.. he felt that i need to spray to beat his car.............
your exactly right... the farther we went, the fuglier it would get...
it would be uglier than he thinks also with me running that 7.2 the other night.. he thinks he would run his little 7.4 at huntsville.... he would be upset after a pass or two..
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So I saw roughly a 600' drop in DA as the night went on and gained .003 off of it. Rule of thumb is usually one tenth per 1000' of DA. Maybe my first run was great and my last run wasn't, so it ended up being the same.
I think I could manage a 7.4 at Huntsville in decent weather, such as the weather you have last Friday.
I also enjoying hearing great advice, such as N2RACINGLS1s, saying to over tire the car because you're suspension doesn't work. Whatever you have to do, I guess.
how did this shit fight start anyway? 1/8th mile is all about gearing, traction and stall. A less powerful car wont start getting drug until the end of the 1/8th. Lemons has a easy 100RWHP on him id say and the farther the race goes the more he will win by. Im sure i could get my LT1 to run in the 7s with enough gear,stall,slicks, weight reduction but it would fall on its face after the 330 mark but still do a reasonable time, its not rocket science.
Yes, 4 MPH in the 1/8 = 100rwhp. Had I driven to race this kid, I would have had a set of ET streets on my borrowed DragLites. This would have given me a few advantages over my current setup of 17" DRs on my stock wheels. It would have guaranteed that I hooked dead, dropped about 15-20lbs per wheel and given me a little bit taller tire so I could run out 2nd in the 1/8 instead of changing to 3rd just before the traps (as I do now). At my track that would be worth at least a tenth (probably more). I also cut a pretty good light when I try, seeing as I go to the track about twice a month.
He has the faster/more powerful car, but I outrun cars like that all the time.
[quote=JonCR96Z;11472124So I saw roughly a 600' drop in DA as the night went on and gained .003 off of it. Rule of thumb is usually one tenth per 1000' of DA. Maybe my first run was great and my last run wasn't, so it ended up being the same.
I think I could manage a 7.4 at Huntsville in decent weather, such as the weather you have last Friday.
I also enjoying hearing great advice, such as N2RACINGLS1s, saying to over tire the car because you're suspension doesn't work. Whatever you have to do, I guess.[/QUOTE]
i would put big bucks on it you wouldnt touch a 7.4 at huntsville..
n2racings car runs very good.. no matter his advice.. i know what i need to do... and am doing it..
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Yes, 4 MPH in the 1/8 = 100rwhp. Had I driven to race this kid, I would have had a set of ET streets on my borrowed DragLites. This would have given me a few advantages over my current setup of 17" DRs on my stock wheels. It would have guaranteed that I hooked dead, dropped about 15-20lbs per wheel and given me a little bit taller tire so I could run out 2nd in the 1/8 instead of changing to 3rd just before the traps (as I do now). At my track that would be worth at least a tenth (probably more). I also cut a pretty good light when I try, seeing as I go to the track about twice a month.
He has the faster/more powerful car, but I outrun cars like that all the time.
you do remember in the thread i said i would run you how my car sat, and how your car sat.... not changing tires/adding things/taking weight out... like i said in the thread, i know you wuold have ended up doing it.. exen though the outcome would still be the same..
yes i do... i dont know what i have been thinking... i have the FASTER, MORE POWERFUL car... you have the SLOWER, LESS POWERFUL car... i have ran FASTER TIMES you have ran SLOWER TIMES... why the fuck would i be able to beat you!? makes no sense.. i see the point you have been trying to make the whole time.. my bad man... congrats on being right about everything..
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damn I can feel the love in here
to everyone but one..
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Lots of puffed out chests in this thread...Should have known old lemon-drop was at the bottom of it! hahaha. See you tomorrow!!!
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Lots of puffed out chests in this thread...Should have known old lemon-drop was at the bottom of it! hahaha. See you tomorrow!!!
haha this shit is funny...i wish you guys lived closer to me
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A fresh set of tires is hardly changing things up.
your right again! dont know what i was thinking.. it wouldnt have affected what your car ran at all..... right?
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Lots of puffed out chests in this thread...Should have known old lemon-drop was at the bottom of it! hahaha. See you tomorrow!!!
i learned from my uncles how to puff out my chest.... (chris/jason/bobby/chad)
i was just about to come on over and see if i had a message.. sounds good man... planning on being at sonic around 6:00ish..
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haha this shit is funny...i wish you guys lived closer to me
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You don't want none of that 7.2@94, you wouldn't run that at Huntsville.
no... chrs1313 would run about mid 13s@178,000mph... huntsville would kill his 60 foot.. but i think he would breath pretty good up top..
your so smart man.. im jealous..
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your right again! dont know what i was thinking.. it wouldnt have affected what your car ran at all..... right?
no... chrs1313 would run about mid 13s@178,000mph... huntsville would kill his 60 foot.. but i think he would breath pretty good up top..
your so smart man.. im jealous..
As it set was with a 295/50/15 street radial. I wouldn't run anyone on that, although those cheap radials have seen a 7.57 on my car.
By you own admission you have a 10 second car. Chrs1313 is barley in the 10s. You should be able to slaughter that. He runs a 6.8 in the 1/8 in good DA. You should have that easily with a 6.9 at your track, right? I mean there has to be some reason why your car runs so shitty for what it is.
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without ac see post 5, pm me if you need one
As it set was with a 295/50/15 street radial. I wouldn't run anyone on that, although those cheap radials have seen a 7.57 on my car.
By you own admission you have a 10 second car. Chrs1313 is barley in the 10s. You should be able to slaughter that. He runs a 6.8 in the 1/8 in good DA. You should have that easily with a 6.9 at your track, right? I mean there has to be some reason why your car runs so shitty for what it is.
i posted what i think he would run t hunstville.. and thats spot on i bet..
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Past Rides- 02 954RR, 02 F4i, 98 Z28 M6, 99 3.8 V6 Firebird, 95 3.4 V6 Camaro
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