The fastest guys in the world on 10.5W's run C16. I have heard good things about
Q16 though. Just relaying what I know about the big dogs running turbos.
Wrong, the fastest Outlaw 10.5W cars are running Q16, as are we. This fuel picked us up half a tenth in the eigth mile by just changing the fuel. Q16 is some mean shit, you better make sure your tuner knows what he is doing. Like Lou said, just from changing to Q16 will lean your car out almost a full point. We had to add over 12% fuel when we made the switch from C16 to Q16 to get are A/F right where it likes to be
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The fastest guys in the world on 10.5W's run C16. I have heard good things about
Q16 though. Just relaying what I know about the big dogs running turbos.
Are you serious, lol The fastest Outlaw Ten Five car in the country is Tim Lynch. He was one of the first to run Q16. Why do you think that he is still on gasoline and not methanol. The q makes pretty much the same amount of power as meth. Last year when Jason over at VP contacted me about trying out the q I was unsure. He sponsored us a drum. The first pass of we did with the new fuel we went from a 4.99 in the eighth to a 4.95. Then after I tuned it back to where I like my air fuel we went a 4.93. I talked briefly with Stenod at the shootout and asked them "why the hell are you guys still running c16". As far as i see it if your racing org. allows q16 and you have a forced induction app. q16 is the way to go. There is a learning curve with it but the gains are worth it.
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Good, that's what I figured.
You know what I'm thinking about doing anyway... after seeing the picture of it fitting under the hood I'm aready thinking F2r, maybe the F3r. Honestly, alcohol is still a thought because I could just put a carb style TB on and a hat on top of it, or an elbow with a big TB and run no intercooler plumbing. Make for alot less parts and cost, and keep things simple. I'm just not sure if the efi will have the same intercooling effect as a blow thru carb would, and which would be a better route to take.
You know what I'm thinking about doing anyway... after seeing the picture of it fitting under the hood I'm aready thinking F2r, maybe the F3r. Honestly, alcohol is still a thought because I could just put a carb style TB on and a hat on top of it, or an elbow with a big TB and run no intercooler plumbing. Make for alot less parts and cost, and keep things simple. I'm just not sure if the efi will have the same intercooling effect as a blow thru carb would, and which would be a better route to take.
A LOT of guys run EFI, alcohol, and no intercooler. Mark Micke, Jerod Wenrick, and Ric Flec are a few, and they are all ProCharger guys.
It really depends on what you plan on doing with the car. A lot of classes won't allow alky, so you need to take that into consideration.
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I want to run a 9.5 index @ NED where they have no rules on fuel, and the QTP EFI series, which also has no fuel rule... so alcohol will work.
I'm still in the planning stages at this point. But, if I was ready to pull the trigger right now I'd say a F2 with a single plane EFI setup is what I will do, no intercooler on alcohol.
I just hope when I do it, I don't turn the oil into milk
Now, have any of you tried Import? I have a few gallons to test, but Im not really needing it at this point unless its worth another 4-6% over Q.... which was already worth 4-6 over C....
Q16 won't pass the fuel check in alot of series. NMCA for one.
We've never bothered to try it.
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It is a bad fuel. A lot of the cars I have seen run it really enjoy the fuel. If I ran in a series that allowed it, I would have it in the car for sure.
Reminds me of the B33 and C44 days for the N/A cars!
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The VP import from the 2 people I know if that tested it said that on the dyno they made another 30 hp over C16, but that was before the Q16 was out. These were in cars making around the 850 rwhp #
John for the pratical racing that I will do, alcohol is fine.
Bill Lutz too. (twin turbo non-intercooled EFI, was blowthru).
I've heard that you don't want to run an intercooler with alcohol, as it needs some heat to fire.
I think the verdict is still out on that topic. The latest thing is that some alky guys are putting intercoolers on their setups. There must be something to it, otherwise why they would want to carry the extra weight and the extra plumbing?
Interesting who is using an intercooler with alcohol? I can tell you the baddest small block turbo car on the planet does not run a intercooler. I'd love to hear more.
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Wrong, the fastest Outlaw 10.5W cars are running Q16, as are we.
Ok, maybe I should've re-worded my comment. SOME of the fastest
Outlaw 10.5 cars are running C16. I know that for a fact since Dan Millen
is a very close friend of mine and he runs C16. There aren't many guys
running quicker than his 6.70's on 10.5W's. There are other NMCA guys as
well. Tell me that I'm wrong.
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Are you serious, lol The fastest Outlaw Ten Five car in the country is Tim Lynch.
How did he do against Billy? But yes, you're right. I said I mis-spoke. I should've said
that some of the fastest guys on 10.5W's run C16. Maybe I should've chosen
my words a little more carefully. I never said the fastest guy period.
JL WS6,
Regardless of these guys comments, there is AT LEAST ONE guy (who happens to have
a faster car than any LSx car in the world) runs C16. I'm sure it'll work for your application.
Interesting who is using an intercooler with alcohol? I can tell you the baddest small block turbo car on the planet does not run a intercooler. I'd love to hear more.
David Hance with his Proline Powered 57 Chev Pro Mod, and Todd Moyer (ADRL XTF) on his recent switch to a Naiser built BBC still on alky but with an intercooler. There might be something to it?
David Hance with his Proline Powered 57 Chev Pro Mod, and Todd Moyer (ADRL XTF) on his recent switch to a Naiser built BBC still on alky but with an intercooler. There might be something to it?
Phill your correct on this. The reason behind it is that the alky is so much more volatile to the air temps. Using a intercooler keeps the air temps pretty constant. The alky makes tons of power, but is very finicky. The Q-16 is some great stuff. Makes damn near the power the ALKY does if not more, only nice thing about the alky is that it saves a bunch of wait, but now that the addition of the intercoolers, how much weight are you really saving?!
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Ok, maybe I should've re-worded my comment. SOME of the fastest
Outlaw 10.5 cars are running C16. I know that for a fact since Dan Millen
is a very close friend of mine and he runs C16. There aren't many guys
running quicker than his 6.70's on 10.5W's. There are other NMCA guys as
well. Tell me that I'm wrong.
How did he do against Billy? But yes, you're right. I said I mis-spoke. I should've said
that some of the fastest guys on 10.5W's run C16. Maybe I should've chosen
my words a little more carefully. I never said the fastest guy period.
JL WS6,
Regardless of these guys comments, there is AT LEAST ONE guy (who happens to have
a faster car than any LSx car in the world) runs C16. I'm sure it'll work for your application.
Dude I am not knocking c16, or any of your "friends" that have faster car than any lsx lol. All I am saying is that q16 makes more power than c16. The original topic was what fuel are you guys running, and we run q16. We also picked up mph and et at the track only changing the fuel.
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