I don't know if the first sentence is a statement or a question?
You come on here and other boards to prove what? To bash an unproven setup? Why might I ask that you go from one KB thread to another doing the same thing? Nobody is bringing you into these discussions. I am glad some people want to take chances in life on new items.
Fact: a sentence ending with this ? is a question.
I don't come on to any boards to prove anything. I come on to share information. If someone wants to know my personal experience with a KB supercharger, they're going to get it. We all know that a vendor is motivated to gain business through sales and installations. I am not a vendor nor do I have a business, so my motivation is truth.
Anybody that posts a question that I am able to and have time to help with will get an answer from me. It will be truthful and based on my personal experience or knowledge. That is just as much of an invitation to me as anyone. Unlike other forums that exist that only allow posters to nutswing, but don't allow someone to post a legitimate complaint, this one will allow for both. It's certainly not fair to delete complaints and keep praises and you know it. Why do you insist on coming in to KB threads to praise product that you have yet to do anything significant with? Because 1 car with an overspun blower (which I believe voids the warranty check with Kenne Bell directly for an accurate answer on this) and large displacement posted 800rwhp? If you make any kind of decent #'s with your car, track or dyno, I'll be happy for you and may refer to your #'s in future threads. As of now, we have one untrusted e-bay source and one other car that has made 800 or more rwhp. When you get your car running, you can post up IAT logs and show us that my personal experience with Z06Wanted's car was an isolated incident, but I ask you this: Why did Jeff post up a "fix" for the IAT issue if it wasn't broken in the first place? Why is Jeff trying to work on an unchoked inlet if it isn't restricted in the existing design? If KB gets all of their bugs worked out, then maybe they'll start making some reasonable power. Until then, why do you think it's fair to come on here repeating what a manufacturer tells you rather than speak from personal experience? If anyone wants a big polished blower under their hood for a good show, I wouldn't discourage the purchase of the KB. If they want to make some big numbers at the track or kill others on the street, I'm going to tell them my experience. Before you begin to mouth off regarding my KB experience, I have helped a couple of people out a great deal and worked on tuning one while in the passenger seat, doing WOT runs with the AFR's in order.
I have yet to see anyone in the Corvette world post up decent #'s (even with Jeff's support ) except Jeff, which he quickly abandoned and sold the blower to you. How about you? Now he's been building some custom large displacement engine for the last 6 months or more and I'm willing to bet that it's not going to have an off the shelf, currently available KB on it. I expect it will have a 3.3l with custom this and that.
I have a T6060 transmission, 08Z06 rear, cradle, Textralia Triple disc, and a YSi. Not many C5's with my trans and rear. Not many cars with the Textralia triple. Not many had LSx cars that I had seen at my time of purchase had the YSi Vortech, so yes I've "taken a few chances in life". If someone wants to make 1500rwhp with their car, I won't be recommending my setup either. By the way, did you notice I didn't only mention my setup? I mentioned the ones that have made the #'s.
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911rwhp with the old heads. Looking to take it up a notch with the new AFR's. #'s coming soon.
Well you have some facts mixed up because of what you have read on the boards. Whatever you have against Jeff is between you two and needs to stay off of the boards unless it was business done wrong and there are mitigations for it.
I have personal experience with the blower as I own one..
I have personal experience with the blower as I own one..
Exactly. You own one and have personal experience with it, but no significant #'s to post up. Just like everyone else.
Thanks for making my point more clear.
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911rwhp with the old heads. Looking to take it up a notch with the new AFR's. #'s coming soon.
Exactly. You own one and have personal experience with it, but no significant #'s to post up. Just like everyone else.
Thanks for making my point more clear.
I couldn't agree more! I have seen several large KB builds with little results. The KB results speak for themselves and will always have its followers, but figured after a few years and several builds we would see more then one single 800rwhp build......
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Is it possible that part of the issue is complete kits vs. hodgepodge parts, assembly, and tuning? The TVS 1900 on the CTS-V and the TVS 2300 on the ZR1 have the advantage of full OEM R&D and production. Magnuson also has complete kits (manifolds, H/E + intercoolers, injectors, tuning, etc.), whereas all that KB and Whipple do is sell you a compressor. You're on your own as far as fabbing up, choosing your injectors and tuning. This has to be a factor in the dearth of high-functioning screw setups.
I have a couple of customers who keep asking me about the KB but I just don't know what to tell them yet.
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Well you have some facts mixed up because of what you have read on the boards. ..
Enlighten the forum on the mixed up facts.
Many of my facts come from the mouth of the nuts you swing from. The new "upgrade IAT" because the old one had a problem.
The inlet is a restriction for anyone that wants to make good power yet everyone is shown a 800rwhp dyno sheet thinking they can simply bolt this blower on a built 413 or 408 motor and make anywhere close to that.
Bring the truth. We all wanna hear it!
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Originally Posted by Z06PSI
Whatever you have against Jeff is between you two and needs to stay off of the boards unless it was business done wrong and there are mitigations for it.
I have personal experience with the blower as I own one..
I have no problem with anyone that comes in here and tells the truth instead of a salesman or someone that reads a magazine and wants to speak with authority.
I have seen some respectable Cobras with the KB's under the hoods. Just not more than one large displacement Corvette and even that would have made much more with any decent power adder. That's a fact that can't be denied. I have also seen many people try and fail. I'm just hoping you're not one of them. Don't worry if you are though. There's still enough hype that someone might buy it from you. If your "trying new things" doesn't work out so well.
Bolt your heads on and show us the truth.
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911rwhp with the old heads. Looking to take it up a notch with the new AFR's. #'s coming soon.
I was busy and then at Carlisle all weekend so couldn't respond. Glad you found the correct info yourself. I started this thread to learn something. I have no experience or biases with either kind of blower. The zr1 results are extremely impressive and I was curious as to whether the TVS had closed the gap between twin screw and roots or if the ls9 was just more bad ass than the ford motors.
I would like to see their dyno chart, because it seems a stretch for them to go from a Stage I = 680 at the crank to 740 at the wheels, but that's what the text post on their site says.
Jim
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I was busy and then at Carlisle all weekend so couldn't respond. Glad you found the correct info yourself. I started this thread to learn something. I have no experience or biases with either kind of blower. The zr1 results are extremely impressive and I was curious as to whether the TVS had closed the gap between twin screw and roots or if the ls9 was just more bad ass than the ford motors.
Certainly more displacement in the LS9.
For the record and in case no one's seen it, Magnuson has a video of a Duttweiler built 434 with a small cam in it making 950hp at 15psi. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...YNO_154043.htm
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911rwhp with the old heads. Looking to take it up a notch with the new AFR's. #'s coming soon.
Certainly more displacement in the LS9.
For the record and in case no one's seen it, Magnuson has a video of a Duttweiler built 434 with a small cam in it making 950hp at 15psi. http://videos.streetfire.net/video/9...YNO_154043.htm
Very respectable numbers! 150hp more then the highest reported KB and I bet its not tired from being completely maxed out!
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I am done arguing with you over this. As far as nutswinging I don't have a reason not to nutswing on Jeff as he has always been helpful and available. However the issues I have had lately are from a former forum vendor and you will not see me bash or even talk bad about them....ever because there are avenues for this and I am not some kid. Grow up
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Originally Posted by BLOWNBLUEZ06
Because 1 car with an overspun blower (which I believe voids the warranty check with Kenne Bell directly for an accurate answer on this) and large displacement posted 800rwhp? Assumption - that it was overspun. This was an 15 psi run which I hit with a 3.5 top and 7.5 bottom
Why did Jeff post up a "fix" for the IAT issue if it wasn't broken in the first place? This is where you are wrong. I have been talking about the IAT movement and meth system integration as soon as I bought the blower 3 years ago from Jeff. Why 3 years? Part of that time I was in Afghanistan
Why is Jeff trying to work on an unchoked inlet if it isn't restricted in the existing design? How many belt designs, restrictor inlets, intercoolers, flip drive, brackets have the centri guys gone through?
rather than speak from personal experience? I think I do as stated..
IAT's... Again, anyone worth their salt in tuning knows that IAT's are DIRECTLY related to airflow and air compression. If your anemic on air, then you try to compress it, your temps WILL go up. This will be a non issue within the next 3 weeks. Although the IAT's will always be higher than other forms of F/I, they will be more than manageable. The member with 250* IAT's... The poster must have forgotten that the member had his damned cooling system ran backwards.. I have personally installed more KB's on LS platforms than anyone in the country, and I can say from first hand experience, we have NEVER had IAT's that high. Even in 117* ambient temps.
Also, there have been 800+rwhp KB LS vehicles for 3 years now. Its nothing new. But this is a debate that will continue until the new inlet is released. Until then, it is very difficult to make the power. But it has NOTHING to do with the blower itself.
I am the member that had the piece . I have never been so disappointed in a setup as I was that one. I did hook up the intercooler backwards. Joe at LMR figured it out right off because the other KB car he had done was the same way. I will tell you this I have a log file ht I am posting this happened 2 weekends ago. Proof is in the log file if you want I can post one of my maggie too. I am right in the effeminacy of this blower also. I am spinning it to 15psi 3 inch pulley. Here it is
Track pass and dyno pass are two different things. I will post up a log file hopefully real soon with a dyno pass.
exactly. If eveyone wants to dyno race than I guess the KB's 180 degree temps are fine. The Maggie above is with a 2.9 pulley which makes 10psi on a stock LS6.
Track pass and dyno pass are two different things. I will post up a log file hopefully real soon with a dyno pass.
Did you really just type that? So you're planning on your car being a dyno queen?
Boy are you in for a disappointment!
__________________ HKE Iron 403, Callies and Wiseco, AFR225's, A&A Vortech Ysi, custom cam, ram air intercooler, 8-rib pulleys and fuel system, LS2 intake and throttle body, 79lb injectors, ECS alky control, Innovators West O.D. pulley, Dynatech Headers, B&B exhaust, Innovate XD-16, HPtuners Pro, Textralia Exo-Triple, 08Z T6060&Diff, Lingenfelter mini-tub kit. Assembled, installed and tuned by yours truly.
911rwhp with the old heads. Looking to take it up a notch with the new AFR's. #'s coming soon.
