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Old 03-19-2009, 11:22 AM   #61
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you did not gain that much just from a merge. Not possible. Unless you dynoes your car b4 and after.

Sorry bud, your strectching it a little to far
He didn't gain that just from a merge, he gained that from the merge, and I-pipe together. Having a 4" I-pipe greatly increases exhaust flow, and will allow maximum power for a Y-pipe. Someone posted the correct math before, but I will explain it a little more.

You have to think about two 3" pipes merging into each other. The combined area of two 3" pipes from your Y-pipe would be 14.13 square inches. If you have a 3" I-pipe, you have an area of 7.065 square inches. Which now means you are dumping a combined 3" Y-pipe into 7 square inches, or basically halving the output. If you were to merge into a 4" I-pipe, the 4" I-pipe has a area of 12.56 square inches. The 4" pipe has 43% more area than the 3" pipe. It also almost matches the output of two 3" pipes, which will greatly increase exhaust flow. Also just for reference, a 3.5" I-pipe would only have an area of 9.6163 square inches. The 4" pipe still has 23% more area.

If you want to check the math, Area of a Circle, A = Pi * r * r. In this case, we are dealing with diameter, so you would first convert diameter to radius ... d / 2 = r.
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He didn't gain that just from a merge, he gained that from the merge, and I-pipe together. Having a 4" I-pipe greatly increases exhaust flow, and will allow maximum power for a Y-pipe. Someone posted the correct math before, but I will explain it a little more.

You have to think about two 3" pipes merging into each other. The combined area of two 3" pipes from your Y-pipe would be 14.13 square inches. If you have a 3" I-pipe, you have an area of 7.065 square inches. Which now means you are dumping a combined 3" Y-pipe into 7 square inches, or basically halving the output. If you were to merge into a 4" I-pipe, the 4" I-pipe has a area of 12.56 square inches. The 4" pipe has 43% more area than the 3" pipe. It also almost matches the output of two 3" pipes, which will greatly increase exhaust flow. Also just for reference, a 3.5" I-pipe would only have an area of 9.6163 square inches. The 4" pipe still has 23% more area.

If you want to check the math, Area of a Circle, A = Pi * r * r. In this case, we are dealing with diameter, so you would first convert diameter to radius ... d / 2 = r.
where can you get a 4" I pipe from?
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I have the same Spohn TQ. It will fit in there, I have the 3 in 4 out setup, and it fit, barely. You have to put the merge in there, and then cut accordingly. I'm not sure how far your Y goes back into the loop.

I had a custom piece done, that looks like shit, so I'm about to do it with the Eldebrock Y. Plan is to cut that Y right where it merges, place the Flowmaster Y where it fits best, and then cut pieces to bridge the gap. I'll post up pics when I'm done.
Yeah some pics would be great. Thanks for the info...
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He didn't gain that just from a merge, he gained that from the merge, and I-pipe together. Having a 4" I-pipe greatly increases exhaust flow, and will allow maximum power for a Y-pipe.
Everything you say is true, but you also need to take into account the output of the motor to determine the most effective pipe size. Piping that is too big will cause loss of exhaust heat and velocity. Too much pipe for too little motor doesn't gain anything.
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Everything you say is true, but you also need to take into account the output of the motor to determine the most effective pipe size. Piping that is too big will cause loss of exhaust heat and velocity. Too much pipe for too little motor doesn't gain anything.
Oh I agree. It just seems this setup works well for mild to highly modded LS1's. Let me rephrase, it is the best y-pipe setup I have seen on any modded LS1's to date.
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where can you get a 4" I pipe from?
Make one. Look at Pat G's pictures on this page:
http://guerragroup.com/2000TA.htm

It is nothing more than a pipe that goes from the collector to the catback. The correct term is intermediate pipe, but I just say I-pipe for short. If you have the proper merge collector, it would be an easy swap, then just reduce it back down to 3" or whatever your catback size is.
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well i want to gain 10 RWTQ.. I already have a flowmaster merge

Do you think that a 4" I pipe would be to much for my application? I do have a cam stock H/I

Here is my exhasut set up....

QTP LTs (1 3/4") + Kooks O/R Y Pipe (3'') + Flowmaster Merge (3" - 3.5") + GMMG c/b (I pipe is 3" and it necks down to 2 3/4")
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that cdid not gain 10 rwhp with a merge and 4" i pipe. sorry. ive had that set up....i dont anymore.
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that cdid not gain 10 rwhp with a merge and 4" i pipe. sorry. ive had that set up....i dont anymore.
I new it was not possible, i think with such a big diameter, you would lose HP?
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Swapping the merge made the farm truck sound go away.
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I new it was not possible, i think with such a big diameter, you would lose HP?
i doubt it lost but it certainly didnt do the big gains he thinks it did.
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Man I didnt think my post would go this long?
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What size merge would be good to go with if you wanted to keep your stock exhaust manifolds? I want to stay emissions legal for California.
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