Click here to visit LS1Tech
Click here to visit Performance Trucks
Click here to visit Mod Motor Tech
Click here to visit Modern Hemi
LS1Tech Wiki

LS1TECH  

Go Back   LS1TECH > LS1-LS2-LS3-LS6-LS7 PERFORMANCE > Generation III Internal Engine
New! Use your Facebook, Google, AIM & Yahoo accounts to securely log into LS1Tech.com, click logo to login  

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-07-2009, 07:07 PM   #1
Staging Lane
 
wooddaniel's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 59
Default 243 Heads price fair?

I found a set of 243's with an LS6 intake for 850$. The heads are complete and both the heads/intake only have 4000 miles on them. They look brand new. Is the price fair? Forgot to add, they have the sodium filled valves and come with valve covers too. Thanks in advance.
wooddaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 07:23 PM   #2
On The Tree
 
BaddBird's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mo
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wooddaniel View Post
I found a set of 243's with an LS6 intake for 850$. The heads are complete and both the heads/intake only have 4000 miles on them. They look brand new. Is the price fair? Forgot to add, they have the sodium filled valves and come with valve covers too. Thanks in advance.
Thats about the going rate. Its not a smokin deal but you wont be gettin hurt giving that much for them.
BaddBird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 07:29 PM   #3
TECH Fanatic
 
smok'nZ's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 105
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: OKLAHOMA
Posts: 1,049
Default

#317's and #799 are the same heads for a cheaper price the #317 you will have to spend 50-100 getting milled the #799 is the same as #243 and i paid 350 for mine ls6 goes for 250-350
__________________
99 Z28 mystic teal roller,rear qa1's spohn adj ta,adj phb,eibach pro kit,4.11's,th400,4xx stroker coming january 2010
01 tahoe 20's screens,LT's,etc...
99 trans am LT's,3"Y pipe,waiting on-cam,springs,stall,4.10's,fast intake
I NEED A FAST INTAKE PM ME IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR SALE
smok'nZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 07:47 PM   #4
Moderator
 
Sharpe's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 6
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Southeastern IL
Posts: 5,556,412
Default

I paid $500 plus shipping for my 243 heads off an LS2 from here assembled. I sold them for the same amount when I bought the complete LS6 engine. LS6 heads, what you're looking at, aren't worth more than the LS2 heads because it is debatable that the slightly lighter -- and thus slightly weaker -- valves are "better." For what I want them for, a street car, the LS6 heads are a little bit better, but a high hp engine is going to replace them anyway. So, they're all worth the same amount in the end.

I think $650 shipped is the going rate, IIRC, with $500 plus shipping being the good deal around here.
__________________
Overlap = {[(Intake duration + Exhaust duration)/4] - LSA} * 2
White/White Leather '99 Z28 M6; Complete LS6 Engine; PP 225/229 Cam;
All Bolt Ons and a LS7 Clutch with Tick Master Cylinder at
Exotic Performance Plus!
Sharpe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 07:58 PM   #5
Staging Lane
 
wooddaniel's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 59
Default

Thanks. I'm gonna offer him 775 and see what he says. 799 casting are the same as 243? I've seen the intakes go for 350$ used so I think I'll be doin alright if he takes that.

Last edited by wooddaniel; 11-07-2009 at 08:07 PM..
wooddaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 08:09 PM   #6
Launching!
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Chesapeake,VA
Posts: 226
Default

except they dont have the sodium filled valves
RJB01camaross is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 08:56 PM   #7
Staging Lane
 
wooddaniel's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 59
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RJB01camaross View Post
except they dont have the sodium filled valves
I actually would prefer the solid valves because that way if there ever is piston to valve contact it will only bend the valve, not break it and destroy the motor completely.
wooddaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 08:59 PM   #8
TECH Fanatic
2000 Chevrolet Camaro
 
hlaalu's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 1
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: las vegas/orange county
Posts: 1,806
Send a message via AIM to hlaalu
Default

in the western section there are some 243 heads with sodium valves for $500
__________________

'00 Camaro SS SLP #1122 Pewter Power!

"Guys envy it, girls want to have sex with it"
hlaalu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 10:34 PM   #9
On The Tree
 
98z8uup's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Covington ,GA
Posts: 124
Default

What cars came with the 317 heads.
98z8uup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 10:50 PM   #10
On The Tree
 
BaddBird's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mo
Posts: 135
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 98z8uup View Post
What cars came with the 317 heads.
Casting Number 317
Head: 2001+ LQ4 6.0 Liter Truck
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12572035
Combustion Chamber Volume: 71.06cc
Compression Ratio: 10:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
BaddBird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2009, 10:59 PM   #11
TECH Enthusiast
 
Trader Rating: 18
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denton, Tx
Posts: 695
Default

No cars came with 317 heads. Only trucks with LQ9 motors.
Pwebbz28 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 12:14 AM   #12
TECH Regular
 
Trader Rating: 23
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 406
Default

Sounds like a pretty fair deal considering there is only 4k miles on them.
I paid $650 for my used 243s and with new springs
__________________
2000 FORMULA WS6 M6 1 of 233
*UNDER H/C CONSTRUCTION*

Titanws6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 02:22 AM   #13
On The Tree
 
98z8uup's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Covington ,GA
Posts: 124
Default

Will the 317 work on a stock ls1 block.
98z8uup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 02:29 AM   #14
11 Second Club
 
jetlag's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 32
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southaven, MS (near Memphis, TN)
Posts: 3,692
Send a message via AIM to jetlag
Default

More than I'd ever pay for that setup.. but I always try to find the best deals then turn around and make a profit..lol


I bought some LOW MILE (2k) LS2 243 heads for $200 and resold them on here for $450. Also some 799 heads for $120 and resold them for $350.

You could save at least ~$100 by buying that stuff separately on here or find a local deal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by smok'nZ View Post
#317's and #799 are the same heads for a cheaper price the #317 you will have to spend 50-100 getting milled the #799 is the same as #243 and i paid 350 for mine ls6 goes for 250-350
The way you typed that with no punctuation or grammar makes it seem very confusing..hah

Edit: Oops I just realized you're the one who bought my 799s..haha.
__________________
-Matt

fquick.com/jetlag
2002 Z28 A4

Last edited by jetlag; 11-08-2009 at 02:33 AM.. Reason: .
jetlag is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 06:30 AM   #15
Staging Lane
 
wooddaniel's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 59
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetlag View Post
More than I'd ever pay for that setup.. but I always try to find the best deals then turn around and make a profit..lol


I bought some LOW MILE (2k) LS2 243 heads for $200 and resold them on here for $450. Also some 799 heads for $120 and resold them for $350.

You could save at least ~$100 by buying that stuff separately on here or find a local deal.



The way you typed that with no punctuation or grammar makes it seem very confusing..hah

Edit: Oops I just realized you're the one who bought my 799s..haha.
Funny, I have been doing the same thing for a while. I make around 100$ a week from buying the cheaper stuff on craigslist and selling it on Ebay. Where the hell did you find 243's for 200$?
wooddaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2009, 09:26 AM   #16
TECH Fanatic
 
Trader Rating: 1
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: LaPlata, Md.
Posts: 1,543
Default

I bought a set of 243's from a local guy. They came off a 10,000 mile 2002 Z06. Paid $350 for them. There are some good deals out there, you just need to jump on them when they come up. That's not too bad of a deal for the heads, intake and valve covers, but i would offer less than that.
__________________
2002 Z/28 A4
12.10 @ 112.09
03 GMC Sierra RCSB
14.40 @ 94.53 mph
Pewter 2001 Z/28,M6
1.57 60',11.15 1/4 @ 124.68 SOLD
Hardtop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2009, 12:55 AM   #17
Teching In
 
Trader Rating: 0
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 19
Default

The 317s are truck heads and will lower the compression ratio to about 9-1. They are popular for forced injection motors. That is why it is recomended to mill them down to increase compression, something not necessary with 243 heads.

Two, the LS6 heads have additional features other than the lighter sodium valves and better springs for higher RPMs. The heads, if genuine LS6 products, are also CNCd machined and flow better than the standard 243 heads found on LS2 motors. I do not have the charts in front of me, but I think LS2 heads flow at 260 CFM on the intake, while the LS6 heads are about 280. This figure volume matches the LS6 manifold which is rated the same.

The 799s are found on 4.8 and 5.3 motors. They have the same size valves and almost identical chambers as the 243s. They are a good choice and can be found cheaper than 243s which have the reputation. They can be ported and polished to make over 300 CFM at 600 lift, but they come with standard stainless steel valves. They flow 260ish stock. Hope this helps.
rednari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2009, 06:35 AM   #18
Staging Lane
 
wooddaniel's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 3
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gainesville FL
Posts: 59
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rednari View Post
The 317s are truck heads and will lower the compression ratio to about 9-1. They are popular for forced injection motors. That is why it is recomended to mill them down to increase compression, something not necessary with 243 heads.

Two, the LS6 heads have additional features other than the lighter sodium valves and better springs for higher RPMs. The heads, if genuine LS6 products, are also CNCd machined and flow better than the standard 243 heads found on LS2 motors. I do not have the charts in front of me, but I think LS2 heads flow at 260 CFM on the intake, while the LS6 heads are about 280. This figure volume matches the LS6 manifold which is rated the same.

The 799s are found on 4.8 and 5.3 motors. They have the same size valves and almost identical chambers as the 243s. They are a good choice and can be found cheaper than 243s which have the reputation. They can be ported and polished to make over 300 CFM at 600 lift, but they come with standard stainless steel valves. They flow 260ish stock. Hope this helps.
Thanks for all the advice. This is my 4th LS1 car, but my first time ever looking to change the heads out so I am somewhat in the dark. I certainly want to pay a fair price and get something that works for me. My car is a 2000 WS6 6 Speed with a FIPK, Full exhaust, TB, Hotchkis spings and KONI shocks and 373's(Z06 Clutch and Slave/master also). I'm going to do the heads and cam here in the next two weeks (and get some sort of aftermarket intake or an LS6) I'm just wanting to break the 400 WHP mark.
wooddaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2009, 12:38 PM   #19
TECH Senior Member
 
vettenuts's Avatar
 
Trader Rating: 4
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Little Rhody
Posts: 5,169
Default

Personally I think thats a good deal. Don't forget the valves, they offer a lot of advantages for valve train design. Just don't go with monter springs.
__________________
02 Mag Red Vette Convertible
Callaway Honker CAI, ATI Balancer, Cloyes IRL chain, GMPP dampener, AFR 205's, AFR 6016 cam, YT Rockers, QTP Headers, Morel lifters, Textralia X-Grip & DTE Stage IV 3.90's.
vettenuts is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:54 PM.

LS1TECH - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
Advertising - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy - JOBS