Need options!! h/c package

[DarkhorSe_SS]

I'm a complete newb when it comes to h/c specs and I wanted some opinions on what my options are..

I want to reach 425-450 rwhp in my camaro and I want a street driveable setup. It won't be a DD but I ain't building it to track it either. I want to maintain good gas mileage, etc. with this setup as well. I been reviewing the stickies/threads whenever I get some time but I'm still Well I'm trying understand but it's gonna take more researching. My project won't begin until Mar/Apr 09

Thanks guys!

[VaderZ]

nice car. hope you get the help you need.

[Lilscottie]

What is your budget? Are you chasing bottom end torque or horsepower.
?

There are alot of good Heads around (sponsors to the left -->) and your cam should be specced accordingally. Also are you planning on any future mods?

[Empatho]

PRC 5.3 stg 2.5 heads with a 228R cam with full bolt on's

[TXZ28LS1]

it would definitely depend on your budget!! but if i were to change my setup and go with something pretty damn strong, it would be the TFS heads and either a vindicator cam, or vrx5 from vengeance racing..


but its tough to beat the performance for the price with those PRC heads.

[MrElectric03]

If you are looking for budget perfornmnce the PRC 5.3 stage 2.5s, no question. The 228R would be good or you could get a custom 228/232 but you would be best to stay in the 224-232 range. Get an underdrive pulley, a FAST intake or the street warrior if it ever comes out, reaplce your lifters with LS7s, new oil pump, LS2 timing chain and a good tune will put you close to 450rwhp. You should be able to get the stuff listed for under $4k.

Just shop around for the best prices, I found SDPC to be very helpfull. And use the compression ratio calculators to get around an 8.6 DCR and 11:1 SCR. Most of all take your time with it and it will turn out great!

EDIT: Keep in mind once you get close to 400rwhp or 450 rwhp you stock rear wont last long so figure another $3k for a 9" and a good driveshaft

[DarkhorSe_SS]

yea on a budget so would the $4k be just parts separate?? My budget is prob $5k max and it will need the labor done on it as well


I read the 232/232 is the highest cam specs anyone should get if they want a street driver, good mpg, etc.???

What is the difference on 228/232 vs the 232/232??

[DarkhorSe_SS]

Originally Posted by Lilscottie

What is your budget? Are you chasing bottom end torque or horsepower.
?

There are alot of good Heads around (sponsors to the left -->) and your cam should be specced accordingally. Also are you planning on any future mods?

Horsepower!

cai, ls6 or fast intake, u/d pulley, suspension, ls7 clutch, full tune with my current exhaust setup

Originally Posted by Empatho

PRC 5.3 stg 2.5 heads with a 228R cam

what is the part #? Thanks

[MrElectric03]

Originally Posted by DarkhorSe_SS

yea on a budget so would the $4k be just parts separate?? My budget is prob $5k max and it will need the labor done on it as well


I read the 232/232 is the highest cam specs anyone should get if they want a street driver, good mpg, etc.???

What is the difference on 228/232 vs the 232/232??

Thats a rough estimate and yea thats parts only. Labor is what is going to hurt you.

Honestly the tune determines the street manners. I know people with the MS4 with heads and a fast making 450rwhp that drive it every day. For what you are looking for though is more under the cure torque and hp that peak like the MS4 would make.

The difference is the intake duration, I would talk to either PretatorZ or PatrickG for cam help, they both helped me with mine.

If I were you, like I said just shop around for the best prices. Make a list of what you need, go down the sponser list---> and write down the prices with shipping and figure out which places give you the best deal on certain parts.

Just a suggestion but I would not do an intake at this point. Just do the H/C and later you can do teh intake yourself.

EDIT: Just saw its a 2000, maybe look for a good used LS6 intake but dont go for a FAST just yet.

[DarkhorSe_SS]

PRC Stage 2.5 5.3L heads - for sure (been reading alot of good stuff about em)
cam ?? unsure
cai
ls6 intake w/ ptb
u/d pulley
suspension work
ls7 clutch
same exhaust setup
full tune
stock gears w/ 3.73s


I've asked tsp and they suggested their Torquer V3

[LS1C5Vette]

Originally Posted by DarkhorSe_SS

PRC Stage 2.5 5.3L heads - for sure (been reading alot of good stuff about em)
cam ?? unsure
cai
ls6 intake
u/d pulley
suspension work
ls7 clutch
same exhaust setup
full tune

If I do a 100 shot, would I be better off going with the fast intake?

I've asked tsp and they suggested maybe their Torquer V3

228 or low 230's duration camshaft is the area where I probably want to stay at for a DD right?

Ppl drive their MS3 and MS4 cams daily so thats something to think about but bigger is not always better for the street. 228/230 cam sounds about right for you, pm predator-z and let him pick a cam for you, he is damn good at that.

[CALL911]

My setup;

TSP PRC stage 2.5 5.3l heads
MS3 cam
FAST 92mm intake
PTE 92mm TB
42# injectors, with a 255lph fuel pump
UD pulley
full exhaust (ARH 1 4/3 LT headers, ORY, Magnaflow catback)

Total spent, maybe a tad over $4,000 in parts, and after tune, and paying my buddy to do the install I probably have a little over $5,000 total in the car. Mine did 441 RWHP and 402 RWTQ, and it is my DD. I get 16 MPG in the city, and 24 MPG on the highway (M6 car with stock 3.42 gears). It was dyno'd about a month ago in the Appalation mountains (above 3,000 ft elevation), so it would probably do 455+ RWHP on a cooler day on a dyno closer to sea level.

This combo is awesome, and you can't beat the price from TSP on everything as they sell killer combo heads and cam packages that no one can touch price wise.

I would reccomend going the route I did, as it sounds like your hopes/goals are similar to mine.

Here's a couple vids of the car since the install;

Formula first start..

1998 Formula Dyno

[DarkhorSe_SS]

Originally Posted by CALL911

My setup;

TSP PRC stage 2.5 5.3l heads
MS3 cam
FAST 92mm intake
PTE 92mm TB
42# injectors, with a 255lph fuel pump
UD pulley
full exhaust (ARH 1 4/3 LT headers, ORY, Magnaflow catback)

Total spent, maybe a tad over $4,000 in parts, and after tune, and paying my buddy to do the install I probably have a little over $5,000 total in the car. Mine did 441 RWHP and 402 RWTQ, and it is my DD. I get 16 MPG in the city, and 24 MPG on the highway (M6 car with stock 3.42 gears). It was dyno'd about a month ago in the Appalation mountains (above 3,000 ft elevation), so it would probably do 455+ RWHP on a cooler day on a dyno closer to sea level.

This combo is awesome, and you can't beat the price from TSP on everything as they sell killer combo heads and cam packages that no one can touch price wise.

I would reccomend going the route I did, as it sounds like your hopes/goals are similar to mine.

Here's a couple vids of the car since the install;

Formula first start..

1998 Formula Dyno

wow that is awesome and the no.'s are exactly where I want to be for a DD..Good mpg too... hmmm a buddy of mine got the ms3 but not sure what heads he running. I'll listen to it this weekend but I'm still searching and got plenty of time to decide on a cam.. Thanks!

[mesospeedy]

TEA has great heads too, but they are a little higher than PRC or Patriot, but not as high as AFR or TrickFlow. I made 438hp with TEA stg. 2's and a Pat G. cam (similar to a torquer2) before I added a ported FAST90/90 setup (haven't re-dynoed yet). The milage, I can't really give you a good est. on because my car is a weekend cruiser and I ALWAYS have my foot in the throttle! But with stock gears (m6) it was very streetable, and if you plan on adding more gear, you won't really lose any drivability. Hope this helps!

[6']['9]

i have the MS4 and the LS6 heads and it pulls hard but doesnt have as much tq onthe low end as my 218/224 so with an auto unless youplan on getting a stall id get something like a torquer 2 or something like that. You also have to consider if your going for more than 450+ things are going to start breaking whether you dd it or not. So even if youre out for a cruise and you get on it you can still possibly break your 10bolt. So take it into consideration what you want to spend and if you spend that amt and get to your goals how much is it going to cost of some of these other items start to fuck up. Cause i can tell you this after you start modding that car up shits about to start breaking. Ive gone through 3 clutches, 3 slaves, 2 masters, 2 tq arm mounts, 2 drive shafts, 1 transmission, 2 axle bearings. & If you dont know how to work on your car to begin with your diggin a hole for your self. Good luck bro!!!!!!

[DarkhorSe_SS]

It's an m6 bro and it won't be a DD but yea me not knowing how to work on my car is a PITA... 430-450 rwhp is the limit I'm shooting for the car. I'm not trying to be the fastest in my neighborhood..lol

[LebaneseShowoff]

Originally Posted by DarkhorSe_SS

It's an m6 bro and it won't be a DD but yea me not knowing how to work on my car is a PITA... 430-450 rwhp is the limit I'm shooting for the car. I'm not trying to be the fastest in my neighborhood..lol

but if you are, there's always nitrous !!

[DarkhorSe_SS]

Still waiting on Pred Z's opinion for my cam option!

[DarkhorSe_SS]

I'm looking at the Torquer v3 112 lsa, custom cam 228/232 112 or 114lsa and now I need opinions on these specific cams... I know tuning is very important but how is bottom end torque with my two options??

I'm looking at the bottom end torque now... Which would be the better performer for my setup guys??
Setup listed above on post #10

For those who are running either of the two cams pls chime in

[6']['9]

people often run the MS3 with those heads or the torquer V3. Id stil go with the torquer. If TSP recommends that cam then they obviously know that that cam is going to be better of the 2. So id go with that then. I havent heard nothing but good things about the torquer cam anyway.