Mix it with the LTXshootout and lets have a stand alone event just for LTX/LSX
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LE2, Speedinc, Bedroom built 355, T56
LE2 H/C/I, Speedinc tuned, LPP, UMI, BMR, Dana S60, Street twin, blah blah blah.......
2nd place EX NA at LTXshootout
Thanks for hosting the event guys, as a title sponsor for the ECS Corvette challenge at Englishtown, I know already that you will never please everybody. Fortunately for us we have our resident "Redgar" who does cart wheels trying to please everyone, but sometimes it's just futile.
I think the event will continue to grow each year, so that will have to be taken into consideration, I agree that the JR dragsters and bracket racing needs to go. Although great racing, not for this venue IMO, the event needs to be tightened up a bit to try and stop the massive delays.
I'm not going to lie and say I was pleased about parking in the mud...(I've never had to demudd my slicks before) but I do understand that the LSX guys often are not seasoned racers and it's easier to have everyone in one area to give out instructions etc. so again, tough to please everyone.
I think for the size of the event, you guys did a great job, and it's great to see that you are already working on improvements for next year.
I might be different from a lot of guys on here but I love the idea of having the LSX Shootout ridding piggyback with the NMCA. The whole idea is to show the none LSX world just how good the LSX is. I also follow the NMCA all year (EVEN THOUGH MEMPHIS IS THE CLOSEST RACE TO ME!!!) I keep up with the NMCA and the nastiest LSX cars in the country so this is the perfect race for me.
I have driven 6 hr's one way and been to all three events, raced in the first one and watched the last two. First of all, anyone who races knows somethings just can't be controlled. The weather had all the badboys thrown off with their setups and that caused a ton of problems. I kinda felt like the LS guys were pushed aside but I also know that sometimes shit happens.
I'd like to see a couple of heads up classes set up for the entry level guys, guys that run 10.0's - 11.5's. Maybe have a 16 car field? This would be a huge class because this is what the majority of us can run.
Adjust the rules for the all motor and DR guys so it would draw in more racers.
I left really disappointed this year but I will be back next year and I hope I have a new heads up class that I can fit into!
You NMCA guys, I have a question for you. When will we get us an NMCA event somewhere near NW La. like maybe Dallas? You guys are miss out on a big part of the country!
__________________ 1999 m6 Z28
11.29@121.20 with 6 speed
1998 A3 T/A---> under construction 1/8 mi. is for kids in Jr. dragsters and 1/4 mi. is for big cars !
The 30 mile true stret cruise was very upsetting.No Maps to go by.No traffic control at all.Many cars including myself turning around in the medium on thr INTERSTATE.We had no clue where we were.If only we were given a simple map to follow and maybe have someone every 5 miles checking off the cars as they drove by to make sure no one took a short cut back to the track.I have come down all 3 years and would like to come back but if their no major changes I wont.Thanks for letting me get on my soap box and letting it out.
Just watching on Saturday as already said was pretty disappointing.
Other than getting charged $35 for a one day car show and having the person riding with me charged $25 for one day spectator, even after asking if that was the correct price was a little upsetting. But still had a good time none-the-less
__________________ 02 Z28 Heads/Cam/bolt on/stall/etc... Sold 00 Ws6 Cam/bolt on/stall..etc
I really enjoyed attending this event last year and I had fun this year, but I went to see LSx cars race especially the drag radial and true street cars. I only got to see 2 drag radial cars run all weekend. A event dedicated to just LSx and LTx cars would be great! All of the same classes for LTx cars as there are for LSx cars. A LSx vs. LTx shootout would be cool to if they ever combined the two in one event. IMO this is still a great event but hopefully next year it will be more LSx based. Also the idea of having it in Bowling Green at Beech Bend would be EXCELLENT!!!
__________________ 2004 PBM M6- Comp Cam 232/236 .595 .602 114lsa | LTs | 3" True Duals
P&P TB | New Era CAI | SPEC 2+ | Lou's SS | HURST | Harlan v3.2 | BMR 12.508 @ 112.52 1.81 60ft
Let me start off by saying that I appreciate everything that is done for the LSX community, but was disappointed by how things were carried out this year. It seemed as if we were just set to the side (literally in parking) and were thrown in just whenever and that was usually at the end of the day/night. As previously stated I came down to watch the fast LSX guys and participate in the rumble and true street classes, not watch 9 million bracket cars make 1/8th mile passes. I kept finding my self bored this year, last year that was not the case.
As far as rule changes I think there should be an outlaw DR class. I know this sounds redneck but "run what ya brung, and hope ya brought enough." Lets see what these motors can really do without all the silly limitations. It doesnt make any sense for someone to run a twin 88mm setup all year and then have to go to a 67mm or 77mm which ever it is for a single event. If I had to do that there would be no way I would attend that event, I guess thats why some people didnt show up this year.
I know the nitrous guys need a class so take a look at how many people are in the high 8's and low 9's on nitrous, a ton of them!! Make a class that allows smaller turbos, nitrous cars, and a 275 DR.
Drop the GM bodied rule. Yea it's nice for all the cars to be GM bodied but there are some crazy fast cars out there with LSX swaps. And maybe invite the LTX guys, with all the ls people and all the lt people that would be a pretty big event. There would need to be a lot of discussion on the classes if this ever happened. Also it would be nice to have a few more heads up classes. something along the lines of a cam only class and a stock bottom end class.
I know it has been said that there wont be any bracket cars next year, and then it was a limited amount might be there, but if there is any I probably will not attend. That is not what this event is for. Those guys running bracket cars are set in their ways, small block chevy motors, stuff that they know about already and can tune theirselves. Half of those guys can probably barely turn a computer on, much less tune a car with hp tuners or efi live (no offense to those people btw). It just doesnt make sense to try and squeeze that much stuff into one weekend and have a bunch of people upset when it could be seperated and only have a couple people not happy because you arent ever going to please everyone. Just my $.02
__________________ 2000 Trans Am- Forged 347, Built T56,
Moser 9", Full Suspension, 236/239 Cam,
11.83 @ 115 2009 LSX True Street "Average Joe" Winner
- I don't drive 400 miles one way to see junior dragsters. I can go to Commerce for that.
- True Street needs to be more organized. I was photographing this years cruise and my buddy drove. There were no police escorts, which you can rent by the hour. People were separated at the stop sign, missed the on-ramp for the highway, had to flip a u-turn in the highway median, and then ended up in a gas station parking lot. I know because I was one of them. Hotlap them. They're street cars.
-I actually had planned on leaving Saturday night or Sunday morning because I didn't want to have to sit through the bracket racing.
I had a blast for my first time at the shootout. For the true street class, I would like to see the class in 2 different weight bracket's. Have like say a heavy street class and then the regular streetclass. This way for the guy's like myself, mightymouse,cablebandit,etc, that weigh nearly 3800lbs.+ we are not going against cars that are racecar's that happen to meet the rules to race in truestreet.
__________________ 10.0 INDEX CLASS WINNER
LSX 427-FI-94mm Turbo,
Turbo Kit by Josh@ Kentucky Turbo
I had a blast for my first time at the shootout. For the true street class, I would like to see the class in 2 different weight bracket's. Have like say a heavy street class and then the regular streetclass. This way for the guy's like myself, mightymouse,cablebandit,etc, that weigh nearly 3800lbs.+ we are not going against cars that are racecar's that happen to meet the rules to race in truestreet.
I will have to say I was very disappointed in this show. I brought my little brother along that got his first LSX car a few months ago and was telling him how badass the show is. Well we got to the event at 10:30ish and was walking around looking at the cars wanting to see the badass LSX dragradial cars run. Well we didn't get to see them run at all. This is probably the only chance of the year for us to see cars of this caliber run. It was a very big let down. Couldn't find hardly any LSX merchandise it was all sold out. Bracket cars if I wanted to watch them run I would go to my local track. To watch a dragster take off then slow down and then punch it to run a dial in of 9.0 who give a crap. The only people that like bracket racing is bracket racers. Do away with them at this event. If need be charge the rest of the people a couple bucks more to watch so we can watch heads up. I really feel like the LSX com unity got put on the back burner. I missed my local EFI State Championship to come to this . I really loved having all the vendors to look at cool parts. I don't really know if I will be back next year or not. Time will tell. I really hope you guys get this figured out tho.
__________________ "When my neighbors' A/C went out the other day, he said they were trying to sell him a heat pump. I couldn't for the life of me understand how a Kenne Bell had anything to do with his A/C..."
BlownblueZ06
Well the bracket cars are out for next year so that is a win.
The text thing, you had the power all the time Dorothy, it is called Twitter!!! Open an account for LSXShootout. Send updates throughout the year and track updates are as easy as sending one text out and everyone gets it. I set one up for the Corvette Challenge I run.
I am with John on the All motor class. Way out of reach. Impressive, but way out of reach. Drag Radial is great but I would think we might want to look at not just allowing bigger drag radials but we should the fastest class be the fastest and allow all tires like all motor does? All motor either needs to be slowed or eliminated. I would bet even the SAM school can find you more all motor cars in the mid 9s than the mid 8's to fill and all motor field. Then you can add a class in between, like what folks are calling the 275 class (hate the name) . Basically three heads up classes, mid 7s (current DR opened way up), mid 8s (current proposed nitrous or 275) and mid 9's (the new look all motor).
For index, having a mid 8 and mid 9 heads up class moves the quicker index cars out and tightens Rumble to start at 10.0 rather than 8.50. If you can brake Index into two indexes like 10.0 through 12.50 and 13 to 15.0 it brings the trucks back and still keeps the gaps closer
True Street, nice class but, i can take it or leave it. It conflicts with index now somewhat.
I rather we run qualifying for index like late model efi rather than one confusing qualifier that then does not get used because we have more than 32 cars. That one shot is not enough to make sure everyone is right. Make it three qualifiers, all index to change only after the first round of qualifying. This will reduce TS to guys that really want to run TS not guys getting the extra passes.
Ah yes, start us all (including NMCA, I think you do that at the Super Bowl right?) with round 1 of elims Saturday.
2 rds qualifying Friday, one Saturday and elims Saturday. That will open up Sunday giving you much more room to maneuver (of course if you dump brackets you may not need to do that)
First round of elimns Saturday and do an lsx bracket for those that want to stay to watch the rest of the racing (of course sepreate it from the LSX elimins so we can actually race and watch
My favorite pet peave, don't charge us an extra $45 bucks to park on Thursday. Little crazy. We don't have to be there Thursday with no racing but have be there for the party (which is great by the way and needs no changing)
We should consider the paved area on the other side of the track for LSX participants or the parking area by the airport.
yea i hated parking in that stupid ass field!! and who's idea was it to put those proform stickers on the fenders?!?! that really burned my wig as well lol.
__________________ 2000 Trans Am- Forged 347, Built T56,
Moser 9", Full Suspension, 236/239 Cam,
11.83 @ 115 2009 LSX True Street "Average Joe" Winner
I would like to first thank the NMCA and MMP crew for all their hard work on what was one of the most trouble ridden races I've attended. Through the rain, wrecks, oil downs, and break downs everyone did the best they could to keep things going. The track was awesome all weekend given the really poor conditions, and for that my hat is off to the guys at MMP.
From a racer's and spectators point of view I really felt like we got the shat this year to not upset the NMCA racers. I know you guys have to keep the racers that are with you all season happy, but a little less shaft would be nice. Mixing the LSX in with the NMCA schedule instead of pushing it all to the back would be much better for everyone. The racers would not sit for hours waiting and the LSX spectators would get a bone thrown to them now and then. I don't see where it would hurt the flow of things that much to throw a round of LSX'ers in every hour or so.
This years schedule was a carbon copy of what worked great last year, but the uncontrollable setbacks really revealed its flaws. I think removing the bracket cars is a step in the right direction as they proved this year and at the first shootout to be too much to contend with on a delayed schedule. But why not just run them on Saturday instead of securing the track at six o'clock? It was also very disappointing to be called to the lanes only to be told to wait at the back because the guy didn't know what lanes to put us in. That drove the shaft in a whole lot deeper.
Now that the complaining is done... I had a great time this weekend and will return every year that I am able. To me this is more than a race, it is a gathering of some of the best people I've had the pleasure to hang out with. People that all share in the same passion for modding and racing the LS platform. It's like a giant LSX family reunion. The weekend is alot more fun when everything goes perfectly, but drag racing doesn't always go according to plan. So to those that came this year for the first time and left disappointed and let down, I urge you to give it another try next year. Come back and help everyone involved make the LSX Shootout the best race ever.
Memphis really is a great place for this race and has the potential to flow much smoother than what we saw this year. If the race was held anywhere else I doubt you would see as high a turnout. It is a central location where most of the attendees can drive there in 6-12 hours. You sure wouldn't see the large manufacturer turnout, sponsor support, or the high quality track prep if the race was separated from the NMCA World Finals. I hope to see this race continue right where it is and would love to have some more added to other races on the schedule. I would attend two or three LSX races per year as long as I could get there in 16 hours or less.
Thanks to the NMCA, GM Performance Parts, GM High Tech, and to all the sponsors for giving the LSX'ers a great event to participate in. I have faith that you guys/gals will do your best to improve this event as it grows.
if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.
if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.
+1^ I would have been pissed if I made the drive from S. Florida (977miles) expecting to see sick LSX cars and end up sitting threw hours of jr.dragsters,bracket racing and that crap. Im glad my girlfriend and I couldn't make it this year because from what I have read we didnt miss anything. I will have to keep my ears open for next years LSX shootout plans before spending that kind of cash and using vacation time.
. I really loved having all the vendors to look at cool parts. I don't really know if I will be back next year or not. Time will tell. I really hope you guys get this figured out tho.
