NMCA and the LSX Shootout opinions wanted in here

[770Guy]

It was my first time and I think it would have been more fun as a stand alone event. LSX's definatly got no respect. I have had more fun at the Georgia Fbody event. I think the LSX crowd brought allot of money to the event.

Memphis is a good location.

[Krazy98Z28]

Allow non GM bodied cars in the heads up classes, the main focus is the LS platform not the car its in. It is called the LSX shootout not the camaro/firebird/corvette/GTO shootout

You need major restrictions in all motor or give them an outlaw class of their own and create a stock cube all motor class.

[KeithBerryZ06]

What's up with parking in the mud and weeds for lsx?

Need to have a nitrous class. You guys know what the rules need but don't seem to listen to anyone on this. Hopefully next year will be different.

[tim99ws6]

I really think/hope we are careful with that 275 class. A couple things to remember:

1) a 16 car field is always better than a 6 car field
2) 8.50 and slower is alot cheaper to build than 8.50 and faster. We need to shoot for 8.50 and slower. I'm sure the faster guys would be willing to slow down for a more competitive /full class to showcase the LS series.
3) this class isn't for the heavy hitters or shop cars(although we all know and hope they build cars for it). It's for the 02hunterss/mighty mouse/ecs corvette cars. A close look at those cars are what you should be aiming towards. Take them, and pull some similiar et nitrous guys together to help create this class!


I feel that that there is two main points that will ultimately bring not only racers but spectators back in record #'s:

1) unleash the outlaw dr class
2) make a successful 275 class

I don't see anything wrong with the n/a class other than the trans SAM's car was running. I'd like to see them getting it done on a t56!!!

[raymond mckinney]

I love the shootout in almost everyway, but i to think there needs to be some changes to these event for it to flurish.

1) Let the turbo guys run 315's and unlimted size turbo's.
2) Create a 8.50 class or 275 class.
3) Let the all motor guys run twin TB's
4) Their needs to be a cam only or H/C class to help bring more to the event and to help
seperate some of the classes.
5) And who cares if it a not a GM body if its got an LSX.

[Scott@GMHTP]

1) agreed
2) 8.50-9.50, agreed. Guys are running mid to low 7s on 275s, so I would stay away from that.
3) SAM went 8.50s, don't think the single T.B. is holding anyone back much. Considering there are a couple 4-link cars running 8s all-motor that might be a better change.
4) agreed
5) agreed

[Krazy98Z28]

Originally Posted by Scott@GMHTP

1) agreed
2) 8.50-9.50, agreed. Guys are running mid to low 7s on 275s, so I would stay away from that.
3) SAM went 8.50s, don't think the single T.B. is holding anyone back much. Considering there are a couple 4-link cars running 8s all-motor that might be a better change.
4) agreed
5) agreed

I like this guy

[kp]

I didnt go to the last one but here s my opinion, FWIW I have been racing for over 30 years and have seen many a series/santioning body come and go..

IMO the bracket class should be split for faster cars vs slower cars, not only is it incredibly lopsided to spectate its also dangerous. You have a 13 second car with no safety equipment being run down by a 150mph car on the top end..

Leave the slower cars on the index and run the quicker cars (say 11.50 and quicker due to roll bar rules) regular dial in bracket. That keeps people having to add/remove weight and tune their car for one event. Just no delay boxes or throttle stops.

If not make SOMETHING for the quicker cars that cant compete in the outlaw class, it may be cool to hang out int he staging lanes with jeans and a t-shirt but 80 cars in the lanes with a 9.99 or quicker car just plain sucks strapping in and getting in/out 10 times when things get delayed.

I'd love to see an 8.50 capped 275 race with limited power adders, I know thats a complex thing to come up with and tech but a simple look at the 'fastest' list on LS1tech would yeild an excellent starting point for nitrous/turbo and the always forgotten supercharged cars. I now a lot of people will complain about it being a capped 8.50 class but there has to be line drawn somewhere, none of the usual 4000lb 'street' type cars are going to have 25.5+ cages, most are lucky to have the 9.90 stuff, if you dont cap it the 8.20 nitrous cars are going to show up and dominate and/or the slower outlaw DR cars are just going to downsize the turbo and jump ship for a guaranteed win - thats just reality.

I like the payout structure and average joe award, the block thing is useless to a lot of people I suspect. I'd rather have a gift certificate from GMPP if they stay on board.

As mentioned already, most guys (including myself) are not professional racers, a lot of younger guys without families or whatever may have the time to do four days. Some of us have kids, jobs that dont allow random days to be taken off etc and that makes a 4 day event impossible. The first shootout was run well, but 2nd round in the index I purposely lost because it was after 6PM and I had to go (kids in school +job). Not a big deal really but i had over 1000.00 and three days invested and I had up and quit. For that reason I will not go again, I have to work on a schedule, other organizations put 'x' amount of time into the show for oildowns. The LSX shootout is the proverbial 10 pounds of crap in a 5lb bag - it may all fit once but if it explodes the second time its a mess.

The stand alone idea is awesome but risky at best, there already was a stand alone LS event and it failed. Racers are finicky and all it takes is a few vocal pissed off racers with a keyboard and you have a big mess on your hands. I like the NMCA guys, they are a top notch organization and thats what it takes to make something like this successful to the 100+ car level.

BUT

Lose the bracket cars and junior dragsters and keep the thing on schedule so people can go home Sunday at a reasonable hour, even run more rounds late Saturday if need be. I know you cant control the weather, breakage etc but just lighten the load some. I was amazed at the amount of time the track sat idle at the first shootout, run the index cars and bracket finals before the other 'real racer' finals just to get it done - I'm sure the NMCA racers would appreciate that as well. It would sure be nice on Sunday even if you won the LSX index class you could be loaded up and ready to go, then hit the stands to watch the outlaw DR and NMCA final round at 5pm on Sunday

[tim99ws6]

Originally Posted by kp

I'd love to see an 8.50 capped 275 race with limited power adders, I know thats a complex thing to come up with and tech but a simple look at the 'fastest' list on LS1tech would yeild an excellent starting point for nitrous/turbo and the always forgotten superchargered cars. I now a lot of people will complain about it being a capped 8.50 class but there has to be line drawn somewhere, none of the usual 4000lb 'street' type cars are going to have 25.5+ cages, most are lucky to have the 9.90 stuff, if you dont cap it the 8.20 nitrous cars are going to show up and dominate and/or the slower outlaw DR cars are just going to downsize the turbo and jump ship for a guaranteed win - thats just reality.

I really hope they really pay attention to this paragraph KP. It speaks loads to what the top...40% of Ls racers are at right now.

[J-R10-5]

Originally Posted by 3stgstocker

need to move to north or south carolina so some of the other guys can participate and give the crowd some new cars to see! and lets have an all lsx shootout not bracket carsand jr. dragsters and all other bs.

This event doesn't need to move. Everyone will never be happy. You want to run other other GM powered vehicles? Try one of FIFTEEN super Chevy Shows. I understand many folks don't like Bracket Racing. So, send the organizers of this event a note asking them to put in your class. I did, I want 10.5 Outlaw and Drag Radial added.

Drag Racing goes on all the time. I sent notes to the Ohio Boys telling them about an event 11/14 in Virginia.

[Krazy98Z28]

The event in Virgina, the 275 class is being sponsored by a friend of mine. Wish my car was up and running

[Pro Stock John]

Does Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

[427]

Good question! If the LS cars could qualify on Friday and finish the race on Saturday it would have less impact on the NMCA racing.

Kurt

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Does Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

[5.3LJimmy]

Originally Posted by Pro Stock John

Does Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

If they do we sure surpassed it with the index class Saturday night.

[veee8]

Originally Posted by 427

Good question! If the LS cars could qualify on Friday and finish the race on Saturday it would have less impact on the NMCA racing.

Kurt

Wouldn't want it to run too late though. The weather this year, with the cold temps and condensation would make a 7-8 sec car a handful on a damp track after the sun goes down.

[PaiN]

I've been trying to get the free time to add these exact points!

Honestly...we have some local classes that are running small 8.5 tires. These guys are running fast as hell on those little tires. If you limit the class to just a 275 drag radial..there is going to be a handful of guys that build some freaking very high dollar outlaw DR cars, tune back the launch , and still run some wicked et's, and MPH.

My car is setup for an 8.50 cert. I have no plans to get it certed down to 7.50's We have several local events that have various limits, but are basically like an 8.50 breakout class. I think its safe to assume you have a lot more potential to draw in more racers to a more affordable class like that.

More racers = more people at the track

Originally Posted by tim99ws6

I really think/hope we are careful with that 275 class. A couple things to remember:

1) a 16 car field is always better than a 6 car field
2) 8.50 and slower is alot cheaper to build than 8.50 and faster. We need to shoot for 8.50 and slower. I'm sure the faster guys would be willing to slow down for a more competitive /full class to showcase the LS series.
3) this class isn't for the heavy hitters or shop cars(although we all know and hope they build cars for it). It's for the 02hunterss/mighty mouse/ecs corvette cars. A close look at those cars are what you should be aiming towards. Take them, and pull some similiar et nitrous guys together to help create this class!


I feel that that there is two main points that will ultimately bring not only racers but spectators back in record #'s:

1) unleash the outlaw dr class
2) make a successful 275 class

I don't see anything wrong with the n/a class other than the trans SAM's car was running. I'd like to see them getting it done on a t56!!!

[jrob56]

Originally Posted by Cop Car

if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.

+1 well said

[Exotic Performance Plus]

If the Bracket and Jr Drag are eliminated, then Mother Nature and oil downs are the only two really big problems that are left. Mother Nature is what it is, but engine diapers and probably transmission and rear-end diapers could and should be implemented. Besides making racing a lot safer, the track would spend less time in clean-up supplies and manpower, and the racing would have far fewer interruptions. With our society so caught up in litigation, I'm surprised that the diapers aren't already mandatory.

With less time needing to be spent on track prep, perhaps more energy could be addressed to other items such as Steve Verplank mentioned about True Street not having a leader on the cruise. This sounds like an accident waiting to happen that we don't need. I'll volunteer if you need one!

I do want to thank all the powers to be for putting on a great event, which needs to keep momentum behind it! Threads such as this one go to show that the LSX Shootout will thrive. Bob

[BES Stroked Nova]

i tried to get down with my t56, and I was reving the balls off my stock bottom end (to 8K in the burnout box) but no one noticed a slow 10.90 3800lb 6 speed NA car. LOL

I had lots of fun. Parking sucked. Got my SS all dirty, and my D-max muddy. I like my shit clean, not MUDDY.but I didnt see much else for us to park??

SAM's all motor car is badass, but there was no comp. for them this year. I'd love to build a NA car to race next year, but I only make 80k a year and it would take a 25k for a motor just for starters....

How about a stock bottom end class? heads up. Cars with 347 or less get a weight break, lets say 3200lbs. then the 6.0L guys get to weigh 3350. and then the 6.2L guys 3450. or something like that?? and give a 6 speed guy a weight break of 50lbs or so. limit tire size to a true 10.5 28"

then maybe a stock bottom end power adder class. same weights, limit some thing(maybe jet size, turbo size.) maybe limit the fuel so a turbo guy couldn't get a few passes out of a stock bottom making 750 horse... you get the idea. things can be thought of to work out.

I dont know what will happen with me between now and next year. depends on what classes we come up with if I will see what else I can do with my current setup. but I will be at the LSx shootout next year!

[cainsw]

I love the idea of a stock bottom end class!! I'll bring my car again if we can get us a heads up class I can compete in. Index isn't worth the 6hr tow to me