I am truly thankful for the NMCA & GM Perf Parts putting this gig on! It is obviously still a work in progress but nothing is ever going to be perfect. Scott and the gang worked very hard. I know, I’ve been on that side of the fence. That said, I know I’m a little late in responding and no, I didn’t read every post but the following is my feedback:
Brackets have to go! This is the NMCA’s FINALS and the LSX Shootout. Save the brackets for every other day of the year PLEASE. And JR dragsters … Do I really need to comment?
True street guys got HOSED. That was a tough deal all around. While I’m sure it wasn’t intentional, that NEEDS to be prevented next year. (that being lack of direction, traffic control & … oh yah, the 6 hour wait)
On Saturday, I heard the announcer say he was closing the lanes an hour before qualifying so they could clear the lanes for such. Seriously??? Every lane was full and the line went around the corner. Close the lanes earlier and also, I watched several cars go round robin in test & tune. No one was keeping track. I think a little more attention needs to be given in the lane organization area. Some guys got three runs in before they switched lanes and others got one run in. And people where then just switching lanes. A run card and a hole punch would fix this IMO. Which leads us to scheduling … I agree with 1st round on Saturday night as well as people paying to see the big dogs run and usually leaving before it happens because they are kept until the very end. Is there any way we can incorporate Thursday afternoon perhaps for the T&T and use all day Friday and Sat Morning for qualifying? (assuming you still run it in conjunction with the NMCA)
No matter where you hold it, its gonna be a drive for someone. I drove 14 hours each way and would do it again. Closer would be nice but … that’ll just mean further for someone else. But now … Memphis is closed so its gonna be somewhere else for sure. The question is … Where?
Someone said All Motor was about right this year:
About right ?!?!? Are you serious? There were FOUR cars. What’s right about that? I LOVE this class and was really bummed out to see only 4 cars show up. IMO, the tranni rules are what hinder the car count. YES, the engines are expensive but some guys can swing the engine deal but to add another $15K in transmission & clutch stuff is tough. And the weight they have to carry to use the type of trans & clutch they use is just not a true equalizer. I own an all motor car that can run high 8s in class legal trim. I would have brought it anyway, knowing I would be blown away by a thicker wallet but I chose to bring my 2010 Camaro instead and see what happens. And what happened was no one wanted to bring a knife to gun fight. I’m fine with the unlimited engine idea. In fact I encourage that part (seeing as the class is called “All Motor”) It’s the rest of it that I feel needs some limitations. The original rule of “Any type of fuel injection” works for me. One, two or three throttle bodies, I don’t care about that. Think of the original IROC race, identical cars to see who was the best driver. We did need similar cars with anyone’s all out engine. The difference between an Automatic and a clutchless 5spd w/ a 7” Ace is NOT 150lbs.
The idea of a stand alone event would be awesome for sure but first I think we need to do something about car count in the two heads up classes we have and even broaden it to a few more as has been previously suggested. I firmly believe there are enough LS powered race cars out there and I think if you build it, they will come. It would require proper structure and realistic rules allowing more combos to be “competitive”. No one wants to show up knowing they are ˝ a second off the pace or more.
A 275 radial class is a good idea but … Be careful with this … guys are already running 7.30s on a 275 (Joliet) so again, rules are going to be important in any additional class(es)
I have lots of ideas. I’ll probably take the time to write them all down and email them but this is what comes to mind initially from what I saw there and read a little about here.
something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.
something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.
I am somewhat new to drag racing competitively......can you explain why deep staging is a benefit?
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If you got to keep the bracket guys(cash crop i know), at least put a reasonable limit on the stuff. Say 125 cars, and no buy backs. This is the finals here, we don't have time or room for that non-sense.
I agree with this 100%. I'm a die hard bracket racer and will more than likely be attending next year for the index and whatever bracket race is going on. There should be no buy backs, 99% of the bigger bracket races don't have buy backs anyway.
Other than that I have never been so I have no suggestions .
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something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.
I've seen this at a lot of events in the past. Someone will have "deep" on the back glass and before the guy even gets his chance to go in deep the tree will activate causing a VERY slow RT.
I also agree with this 100%.
I'll probably have a T-Brake by then anyway
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i had both lights lit and courtesy staged and waited for the other guy, he lit the first light and i went to turn off my first, and then he tripped his light, and me moving to turn off the first light registered as a redlight for me.
if you are the first car out its nearly impossible to redlight on a pro tree, yet 30 plus cars did it? still makes me mad.
I've seen this at a lot of events in the past. Someone will have "deep" on the back glass and before the guy even gets his chance to go in deep the tree will activate causing a VERY slow RT.
I also agree with this 100%.
I'll probably have a T-Brake by then anyway
So true, had DEEP on back glass, tried to go in an Bam there goes the tree!!
I agree on the deep stage. There I had two runs where the guy I was running deep staged me before I even pre-staged. After I prestaged I was bumping into the second light and the tree fouled me. This happened twice during T/T or time trials. I was soooo pissed. In the first round I red lit, and i was purposely trying to not even trying to worry about the my reaction time.
Personally I see this as my fault. However, I know for a fact that at every local track I go to, the guy working the tree is watching and will atleast try and accommodate the cars.
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I always considered courtesy staging as both cars turned the top bulbs on before rolling in and turning the 2nd bulb on or rolling in deep. I'm not familiar with bracket racing as I've never done it but I thought you got DQ'd for double bulbing a guy in brackets? Did you get timed out Roy?
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Thats what Madman was told by the guy at the tree. They set it for an auto and it fouled me. Your right I considered it courtesy staging to atleast wait for the other guy to pre stage. But if people want to play that game I can hurry up and deep stage too, but then again I would just be like any other dick.
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