Automotive News, Media & Press - ZR1 vs GT2 vs Ferrari 599 vs GTR

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ZR1 is a monster lol <gtr is still king though j/k>

Wow, I didnt know the Ferrari weighs more than the GTR!

Wow, I didnt know the Ferrari weighs more than the GTR!

It's probably the luxury interior. There are probably 15 cows in there on the Ferrari.

And I believe it used a lot less carbon fiber for body pannels than the Enzo (they share the same engine).

Ferrari > ZR1

I don't care how fast the ZR1 is. Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.

Ferrari > ZR1

I don't care how fast the ZR1 is. Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.

I would as well if I wanted a garage queen. Most Ferrari owners drive their cars no more than 500 miles a year. With the maintenance that rivals that of the NASA space program, I wouldnt drive it either. I love the Ferrari, but how many times are you willing to take it out on the freeway and open it up? How many meets are you willing to drive to?

Ferrari > ZR1

I don't care how fast the ZR1 is. Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.

Well obviously if price is no option then sure. An Enzo would obviously be a better performance choice than any Corvette, even the Zr1.

But if you need to open your pocket book and pay for it...then the Zr1 is obviously better bang for the buck (as Corvette's have ALWAYS been).

^^^ :judge: Exactly!! The vette is designed to be BEAT on like a wicked red step child on a daily basis. :D

I think you could romp on a ferrari a lot harder. the difference is really when oops something let loose! and its time to repair it. then yea big difference in price but stuff is gonna break and if you can afford the ferrari, you can afford the repair

I think you could romp on a ferrari a lot harder. the difference is really when oops something let loose! and its time to repair it. then yea big difference in price but stuff is gonna break and if you can afford the ferrari, you can afford the repair

I wouldn't agree to that. I'd say any GM engine could probably take a lot more abuse than a Ferrari's. Any way you look at it, exotic cars are always more of a maintenance nightmare than a mainstream car. Ferrari's have to have massive checkups at insanely low intervals. I am sure the Zr1 will be like any other LsX engine...reliable and trustworthy.

two things stood out to me ... calling the gtr a playstation on wheels ... good stuff there ... and second referring to the vettes looks as fade-into-the-traffic-flow ... what?

otherwise nice comparison, thanks for the link

Ferrari > ZR1

Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.

Baahahaha, You obviously never been in, or around a Ferrari if your talking build quality. C3 Corvette = Ferrari build quality. Quality of materials yes. Racing heritage yes. But build quality No!

Baahahaha, You obviously never been in, or around a Ferrari if your talking build quality. C3 Corvette = Ferrari build quality. Quality of materials yes. Racing heritage yes. But build quality No!
I've been reading the Ferrari forum lately and I saw people changing their airbags and steering wheels for 7,000 bucks... I thought they are really stupid and then one guy said
"I can't have a Ferrari airbag looking me in the face knowing it expires soon and its made by Ferrari"

:eek: 11.2 at 130? 11.2 at 130!? 11.2 at 130!!!

Ferrari > ZR1

I don't care how fast the ZR1 is. Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.

Totally agree. But it's apples to oranges IMO.

I would as well if I wanted a garage queen. Most Ferrari owners drive their cars no more than 500 miles a year. With the maintenance that rivals that of the NASA space program, I wouldnt drive it either. I love the Ferrari, but how many times are you willing to take it out on the freeway and open it up? How many meets are you willing to drive to?

Newer Ferraris require MUCH less maintenance. And if you can't afford the maintenance, why buy the car. Most of those guys could care less....

Newer Ferraris require MUCH less maintenance. And if you can't afford the maintenance, why buy the car. Most of those guys could care less....

Pure status. I'm sure they have nice vehicles for daily driving, but when they want to make an impression they pull out the Ferrari. They keep it for a few thousand miles and get rid of it. Just because you can afford the maintenance doesn't mean you want to pay for it time and time again.

I'm not discounting that there are those out there that will beat the living shit out of their exotics, then pay the repair bills. I have a feeling those are a small fraction of the owners.

Pure status. I'm sure they have nice vehicles for daily driving, but when they want to make an impression they pull out the Ferrari.

Just like 75% of the members of this board. Except change the last word to Camaro/Firebird.

I don't care how fast the ZR1 is. Can't compare to Ferrari's build quality or heritage.Build quality...now does that include reliability/dependability for equal miles driven as well?:huh: ;)
And I KNOW you're not including service/maintenance costs under that "build quality" umbrella. :lol: :jest: :D

Newer Ferraris require MUCH less maintenance.True. But that's not really saying much when compared to the older Fiats, err I mean Ferraris, ;) some of those cars sucked LOL (though most were still beautiful cars).
The newest ones are better but do you really believe that they will be as reliable/daily drivable/maintenance free as any model in the current Corvette line (which is the basic debate here)?

And if you can't afford the maintenance, why buy the car.I agree. But again that's not necessarily the question here.

I agree. But again that's not necessarily the question here.

No, it isn't a question at all. Only people who cannot afford a Ferrari, like me and most people here, care about maintenance COSTS. Yes, it probably annoys them that they have to get it checked up very, very quickly but then again, they may not even have it that long and have the money. Also, who says these cars are horribly unreliable anymore. They are built within tight tolerances but also can stand those for much, much, much longer now because of technological advances.

If you can afford a Ferrari, you can afford whatever goes with it. End of story.


Oh, and I didn't know too many people knew about Fiat.

I would as well if I wanted a garage queen. Most Ferrari owners drive their cars no more than 500 miles a year. With the maintenance that rivals that of the NASA space program, I wouldnt drive it either. I love the Ferrari, but how many times are you willing to take it out on the freeway and open it up? How many meets are you willing to drive to?

If you buy a Ferrari then you got the cash to do the maintenance. If you made 2 million a year, would 20 grand for a timing chain bother you?

If you buy a Ferrari then you got the cash to do the maintenance. If you made 2 million a year, would 20 grand for a timing chain bother you?

Not true at all! Why dont people drive them daily then? If money wasnt an issue, shouldnt you see some with 50-100k miles on them? 20k dollar timing chain, 2500 oil change, 6k brake job all adds up.

Great article. Nice to see the ZR-1 do so well.

True. But that's not really saying much when compared to the older Fiats, err I mean Ferraris, ;) some of those cars sucked LOL (though most were still beautiful cars).
The newest ones are better but do you really believe that they will be as reliable/daily drivable/maintenance free as any model in the current Corvette line (which is the basic debate here)?

I agree. But again that's not necessarily the question here.

If you compare a Corvette (as good as it may be) to a Ferrari you're out of your mind.:D

If you buy a Ferrari then you got the cash to do the maintenance. If you made 2 million a year, would 20 grand for a timing chain bother you?I totally agree man. But you have to remember, guys on here that make WAY less are gonna find that hard to digest. My old boss made a good $500,000 a year and had a 550 Maranello. He had no issues bucking up for maintence. He said one drive made it worth it. Different strokes for different folks I guess. If I could afford it, I'd have a Ferrari in a second.

Not true at all! Why dont people drive them daily then? If money wasnt an issue, shouldnt you see some with 50-100k miles on them? 20k dollar timing chain, 2500 oil change, 6k brake job all adds up.

Because people who can afford them have a few cars. Hell, I have a lowly Camaro and I have two other cars....I don't daily drive it either.

If you buy a Ferrari then you got the cash to do the maintenance. If you made 2 million a year, would 20 grand for a timing chain bother you?Absolutely. Wealthy people didn't get wealthy by flagrantly throwing their money away every chance they got.
NO ONE likes to lose money for nothing (and dropping $1k for an oil change and alignment or $10k for a brake job, neither of which will really change the the way the car drives, is essentially money for nothing).
This is quite evidenced by the many former exotic car owners that I've met that now drive Vipers and/or Z06s after bailing on their Ferrari/Lamborghini money pits.



Not true at all! Why dont people drive them daily then? If money wasnt an issue, shouldnt you see some with 50-100k miles on them? 20k dollar timing chain, 2500 oil change, 6k brake job all adds up.That's a VERY valid point. :nod:

If I could afford it, I'd have a Ferrari in a second.I hear a lot of people say that and I do understand why. :nod:
I can afford a Ferrari (or at least I could've up until last May when the market started taking a dump :turd: on me and gobbled up a brand new F430 Spider's worth of my future LOL) and I have even considered a used F360 Modena. But then the idea of driving a car that is not only less reliable and far more costly to maintain but also slower (in a straight line at least) than my current cars just turned me off to the idea.
My only real motivation to get one was the attention and stares that the car might bring and I fortunately still get a good percentage of that now when driving around in my bright yellow Corvette after it's been freshly washed. :D :drive:

I would buy a Ferrari if I could afford one. One day I will probably get one. But for now, since EVERYTHING is relative, I feel blessed to have a Trans Am. The Ferrari is a status symbol and I'm not gonna lie and say that I would not feel like hot shit driving it around. It's a head turner, more than any stock Vette will ever be, especially for people who aren't into cars but can recognize a Ferrari. U better believe I'll have a Vette to go along with it though...and the Vette will be way faster of course.

I would buy a Ferrari if I could afford one. One day I will probably get one. But for now, since EVERYTHING is relative, I feel blessed to have a Trans Am. The Ferrari is a status symbol and I'm not gonna lie and say that I would not feel like hot shit driving it around. It's a head turner, more than any stock Vette will ever be, especially for people who aren't into cars but can recognize a Ferrari. U better believe I'll have a Vette to go along with it though...and the Vette will be way faster of course.

The point of owning a sports car is to enjoy it. Unless your Jay Leno, or some other high priced celebrity, I dont see this happening. When I go to these car meets, I see people roll up in their Lambo, Ferrari, etc.... but they never leave to go highway racing. Excluding Porsche, it never happens!

U better believe I'll have a Vette to go along with it though...and the Vette will be way faster of course.

Totally depends on what Ferrari. And even if it is one of the "slower" ones (that were still top dog in their day) I wouldn't take it to a road course. IMO life isn't about just going straight!

I don't even care how fast a Ferrari would be. Someday i plan on owning a 355 and driving it everyday.

if I owned a ferrari, i'd beat the shit out of it. So many people drive badass cars and waste their enjoyment. If it breaks...im sure I can afford to fix it. People seem to forget that everything is proportional. X thousand dollars for a part...well X thousand is only 1 percent of the value of your car...I'd be concerned if I bought a ferrari and an intake replacement only cost me $200...

The margin of status (for the average consumer) between the corvette brand and the ferrari brand is huge. How many average car buyers know what the hell a ZR1 is? Even some car fanatics aren't aware they brought it back. Most people see 20 - 30 vettes driving around before 1 ferrari. I think the ZR1 is badass, but if I were wanting to standout i'd be buying an F.

ZR-1 200 MPH from the factory!!!!!!!! :drool:

Maybe there is hope for GM after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:usa:

ZR-1 200 MPH from the factory!!!!!!!! :drool:

Maybe there is hope for GM after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:usa:Yeah, the car is OBSCENELY fast. :usa: :burn:

ZR-1 200 MPH from the factory!!!!!!!! :drool:

Maybe there is hope for GM after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:usa:

The last thing on peoples minds is how fast a car can go.

The last thing on peoples minds is how fast a car can go.

False. People who buy a sports car want the bragging rights to having a faster car. If they don't care how fast it goes they buy sedans, a completely different buyer.

Spending that much cash on a high priced exotic is still very relevant I think. I remember watching that show on Speed I believe it's called Exotic Cars, and this one rich guy came into a a showroom full of exotics and still asked why he should spend a certain amount of money on a car. He asked what does he get for the amount he's spending. I think this also ties in with bragging rights. He seemed to not only want the status the cars had, but also wanted the most he could get for the price.

Of course, that means he wouldn't get a Corvette because he still wanted the status symbols. I think most people who want an exotic, would not cross shop a Corvette. Even if the Vette is faster and less expensive. Those who want an exotic want the rarity and status that comes with an exotic and are willing to pay the price. I also think they want the vehicles to keep as much value as possible and is a reason why they don't put that many miles on them and sell them after a short while. Vette people don't pay as much, the car is not considered as rare, they lose a lot of value as soon as it leaves the parking lot and so they get miles racked on them.

Just my opinion.

False. People who buy a sports car want the bragging rights to having a faster car. If they don't care how fast it goes they buy sedans, a completely different buyer.

The market for sports cars is 5% of the total vehicles sold. GM is not profiting off of selling the ZR1. To assume that GM is gonna get on track with the release of the ZR1 is asinine!

Not true, if that where the case, millionaires would be sporting a Z06 over a 911 turbo, Lambo, Ferrari, etc..... If you where given the option of having a Z06 or 911 turbo for the same price, which would you pick?

The market for sports cars is 5% of the total vehicles sold. GM is not profiting off of selling the ZR1. To assume that GM is gonna get on track with the release of the ZR1 is asinine!

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Not true, if that where the case, millionaires would be sporting a Z06 over a 911 turbo, Lambo, Ferrari, etc..... If you where given the option of having a Z06 or 911 turbo for the same price, which would you pick?

Again, you said top speed had absolutely nothing to do with the purchase. Top speed is still important for bragging rights. I'll guarantee you how fast a car is is a very important factor when shopping Lamborghini vs Ferrari. They both have the same level of prestige so it comes down to personal preference and performance. To answer your question, I would pick the Z06. It has better performance and the interior can easily brought up to Porsche standards.

I also think they want the vehicles to keep as much value as possible and is a reason why they don't put that many miles on them and sell them after a short while. Vette people don't pay as much, the car is not considered as rare, they lose a lot of value as soon as it leaves the parking lot and so they get miles racked on them.I don't know about you but regardless of how wealthy I might or might not be, I would practically welcome the $10k - $13k that I've eaten on my Corvette in less then 3 years over the $40k - $70k some of those Ferrari/Lamborghini owners lost in the same time frames, even if they still retained a higher percentage of the car's original price LOL. :lol:
Not comparing the ownership experience or the so called status of the cars, just the actual dollars lost.

I don't know about you but regardless of how wealthy I might or might not be, I would practically welcome the $10k - $13k that I've eaten on my Corvette in less then 3 years over the $40k - $70k some of those Ferrari/Lamborghini owners lost in the same time frames, even if they still retained a higher percentage of the car's original price LOL. :lol:
Not comparing the ownership experience or the so called status of the cars, just the actual dollars lost.

The same can't be same for Lamborghini, but most modern Ferraris do not lose, but gain value except for maybe the 612. There are people who by a
F430 or 599 GTB, drive it for a year and sell it for more then they paid. No other car can pull that off....:D

The same can't be same for Lamborghini, but most modern Ferraris do not lose, but gain value except for maybe the 612. There are people who by a
F430 or 599 GTB, drive it for a year and sell it for more then they paid. No other car can pull that off....:DTrue, there have been waiting lists on those two hot sellers and used ones were at one selling for more than MSRP on a new one but that's not all that common.
The 575M sold for over $230k when new (2003/2004) yet in a short momentary lapse of reason when I was considering one late last year I saw them for asking prices in the $120k - $140k range.
Again, any three year old car is going to experience some depreciation/lose some value but $100k :eek: in that short period of time is hard for even the likes of Bill Gates to swallow...well not really :lol: but you know what I mean. ;)
But I do recall F430 Spiders going for $50k over MSRP even 8 months after their intial release.
If they made only 400 Corvettes per year the very same might hold true as well of course. :D ;)

You can't say for sure that cars like the ZR1 and ACR are not going to appreciate. They may not be produced for long, and they are made in small numbers too. The prices that the ZR1 was fetching on opening day are a good indicator that we may see the same appreciation trend with it that we see with the better Ferraris.

Also, really the only cars that continue to appreciate are the special production or uber-expensive ones...Enzo, F1, Veyron, S7S...the insano cars if you will. Some of the lesser supercars will appreciate for a short time, then take a sharp dive when their replacements are released.

True, there have been waiting lists on those two hot sellers and used ones were at one selling for more than MSRP on a new one but that's not all that common.
The 575M sold for over $230k when new (2003/2004) yet in a short momentary lapse of reason when I was considering one late last year I saw them for asking prices in the $120k - $140k range.
Again, any three year old car is going to experience some depreciation/lose some value but $100k :eek: in that short period of time is hard for even the likes of Bill Gates to swallow...well not really :lol: but you know what I mean. ;)
But I do recall F430 Spiders going for $50k over MSRP even 8 months after their intial release.
If they made only 400 Corvettes per year the very same might hold true as well of course. :D ;)

Yeah, but the 575M was a fill in car. Everyone knew the 599 GTB was coming so that's a bad example. My point was Ferrari is the only make that has about 75% or so of it's cars appreciate.

My point was Ferrari is the only make that has about 75% or so of it's cars appreciate.I don't think the percentage is that high...and among the ones that do appreciate it doesn't continue on forever on all but a small handful of their models made in the last 30 years (prior to that yes, at least 75% of the model line has appreciated even after depreciating initially).
308s, 328s, 348s, 355s, 400s, 456s, Testarossas etc all depreciated after a few years, some getting hit very badly.
Even 360s have gotten slammed lately.
The exceptions are the 288GTO, F40/F50 and Enzo of course but in time even the 430s and the 599s will in fact be worth less than they are right now.
But I think I get what you were saying. :)

You can't say for sure that cars like the ZR1 and ACR are not going to appreciate. They may not be produced for long, and they are made in small numbers too. The prices that the ZR1 was fetching on opening day are a good indicator that we may see the same appreciation trend with it that we see with the better Ferraris.

Also, really the only cars that continue to appreciate are the special production or uber-expensive ones...Enzo, F1, Veyron, S7S...the insano cars if you will. Some of the lesser supercars will appreciate for a short time, then take a sharp dive when their replacements are released.

There was a thread on Corvetteforum a few months back, when a person who purchased I believe was a 91 ZR1 tried to sell it on Ebay. The car was fairly new and hardly ever driven. Basically he purchased it as a collectors item. Anyways, the car fetched 15k after being put on Ebay three times.

There was a thread on Corvetteforum a few months back, when a person who purchased I believe was a 91 ZR1 tried to sell it on Ebay. The car was fairly new and hardly ever driven. Basically he purchased it as a collectors item. Anyways, the car fetched 15k after being put on Ebay three times.

Yeah...duh...C4. I don't care what C4 we're talking about...it's a C4...even the ever-mighty Grand Sport is not above the C4 depreciation effect. Not unlike the Ferrari 348 in that respect.

Yeah...duh...C4. I don't care what C4 we're talking about...it's a C4...even the ever-mighty Grand Sport is not above the C4 depreciation effect. Not unlike the Ferrari 348 in that respect.

The same was said 20 years ago regarding the C4 ZR1. It was suppose to be a collectors car.

The same was said 20 years ago regarding the C4 ZR1. It was suppose to be a collectors car.And in another 20 years, it just might be.
A 1967 Corvette L88 (roughly $6k brand new) wasn't too much of a collector car back in the late '70s either...they've sold for over $400k+ recently. ;)

Totally depends on what Ferrari. And even if it is one of the "slower" ones (that were still top dog in their day) I wouldn't take it to a road course. IMO life isn't about just going straight!

My vette wouldn't be stock.