Automotive News, Media & Press - Motortrend 2009 GT vs 2010 GT

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0812_2009_ford_mustang_vs_2010_ford_mustang/index.html

Thought it might be a good read for some of ya.

Some brief highlights:
New GT only gained 8 or 10 lbs.
More focused on aerodynamics and wind noise reduction
Engine is basically the 2009 Bullitt one
Suspension is the 2009 Bullitt
Only piece of outer body panel from 2009 to the 2010 is the roof in order to keep the glass roof option

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0812_2009_ford_mustang_vs_2010_ford_mustang/index.html

Thought it might be a good read for some of ya.

Some brief highlights:
New GT only gained 8 or 10 lbs.
More focused on aerodynamics and wind noise reduction
Engine is basically the 2009 Bullitt one
Suspension is the 2009 Bullitt
Only piece of outer body panel from 2009 to the 2010 is the roof in order to keep the glass roof optionI read the article yesterday an enjoyed it as usual. OH and i fixed some spelling in your post just a pet peeve of mine.

this is my question

WHEN IS FORD GOING TO MAKE A SPORTS CAR???

they went from a v-8 muscle car "sports car" with only 260hp :barf:
then they moved up to the 300hp mark :barf:
and now for year 2010 they have 315hp :barf:

are you kidding me???

they finally have a car that competes with the LT-1 camaro and trans am and it took them year 2010 to do that..... the LT-1's are from 1993 :bang: aren't they a little behind???

yeah they had a 390hp cobra but they had to put a blower on it to get thoses hp numbers when all we had to do with an LS-1 is throw in a $400 cam and we're at 400rwhp..... imagine what a blower would do!?!?!?

what is pathetic is honda, toyota, and nissan are making 4 door family sedans with a fuel efficient v-6 that are all knocking at the 300hp mark

and thats the same hp ford can get out of their performance v-8 sports car :confused:

i wish they would put in a 5.4L at least in the mustang gt or something with some hp or at least a good base engine to build some good hp..... but then again if they did that it would be overpriced probably in the $50k to $60k area for a mustang..... no thanks on that cuz at the end of the day its still a mustang not a vette or viper

this is my question

WHEN IS FORD GOING TO MAKE A SPORTS CAR???

they went from a v-8 muscle car "sports car" with only 260hp :barf:
then they moved up to the 300hp mark :barf:
and now for year 2010 they have 315hp :barf:

are you kidding me???

they finally have a car that competes with the LT-1 camaro and trans am and it took them year 2010 to do that..... the LT-1's are from 1993 :bang: aren't they a little behind???

yeah they had a 390hp cobra but they had to put a blower on it to get thoses hp numbers when all we had to do with an LS-1 is throw in a $400 cam and we're at 400rwhp..... imagine what a blower would do!?!?!?

what is pathetic is honda, toyota, and nissan are making 4 door family sedans with a fuel efficient v-6 that are all knocking at the 300hp mark

and thats the same hp ford can get out of their performance v-8 sports car :confused:

i wish they would put in a 5.4L at least in the mustang gt or something with some hp or at least a good base engine to build some good hp..... but then again if they did that it would be overpriced probably in the $50k to $60k area for a mustang..... no thanks on that cuz at the end of the day its still a mustang not a vette or viper


every mustang GT 2005 and above has been faster than an lt1.

and they have the Ford GT which is Faster than the zr1 or viper in top speed

this is my question

WHEN IS FORD GOING TO MAKE A SPORTS CAR???

they went from a v-8 muscle car "sports car" with only 260hp :barf:
then they moved up to the 300hp mark :barf:
and now for year 2010 they have 315hp :barf:

are you kidding me???

they finally have a car that competes with the LT-1 camaro and trans am and it took them year 2010 to do that..... the LT-1's are from 1993 :bang: aren't they a little behind???

yeah they had a 390hp cobra but they had to put a blower on it to get thoses hp numbers when all we had to do with an LS-1 is throw in a $400 cam and we're at 400rwhp..... imagine what a blower would do!?!?!?

what is pathetic is honda, toyota, and nissan are making 4 door family sedans with a fuel efficient v-6 that are all knocking at the 300hp mark

and thats the same hp ford can get out of their performance v-8 sports car :confused:

i wish they would put in a 5.4L at least in the mustang gt or something with some hp or at least a good base engine to build some good hp..... but then again if they did that it would be overpriced probably in the $50k to $60k area for a mustang..... no thanks on that cuz at the end of the day its still a mustang not a vette or viper

One question. Do those honda, toyota, and nissan with 300 hp have 320 lbs of torq? Nope, 350Z has around 250 or 260 lbs of torq.

The 03/04 Cobra is underrated, its more like 420 flywheel hp. It's kinda like the Mach 1, it has 325 hp and 335 torq in the 2004 model. Nice but still doesn't have the torq of an LS1 car.

In short if you want a NICE mustang without a blower get a 2004 Mach 1.

every mustang GT 2005 and above has been faster than an lt1.

and they have the Ford GT which is Faster than the zr1 or viper in top speed

yeah by how much? a car length in the 1/8th, stock to stock :eyes:
thats 1993 compared to 2005 and up.... thats 12 yrs difference

how much power did honda, toyota, or nissan 4 door family sedans make with their fuel efficient engines back in 1993??? compare it to today's models, they get better and better every year or two and ford seems to stay the same with the mustang

and as for the ford GT..... dude that car is $160,000 the new ZR1 is a way better car and its $56,000 less.... also the ford GT only has 500hp and 500 ft/lbs compared to the ZR1's 638hp 604 ft/lbs..... hmm, which one would i choose??? the car with 140 more hp and $56,000 less or the ford GT ??? hmmm, thats a tough one :eyes: oh and i forgot to mention they are both top speed rated at 205mph

if top speed is what you are looking for then the ford GT is a waste..... do you realize how much camaro you could build with $160,000 ??? :eyes:

every mustang GT 2005 and above has been faster than an lt1.

and they have the Ford GT which is Faster than the zr1 or viper in top speed
It's always a welcome change to find someone who is competent.

yeah by how much? a car length in the 1/8th, stock to stock :eyes:
thats 1993 compared to 2005 and up.... thats 12 yrs difference

how much power did honda, toyota, or nissan 4 door family sedans make with their fuel efficient engines back in 1993??? compare it to today's models, they get better and better every year or two and ford seems to stay the same with the mustang

and as for the ford GT..... dude that car is $160,000 the new ZR1 is a way better car and its $56,000 less.... also the ford GT only has 500hp and 500 ft/lbs compared to the ZR1's 638hp 604 ft/lbs..... hmm, which one would i choose??? the car with 140 more hp and $56,000 less or the ford GT ??? hmmm, thats a tough one :eyes: oh and i forgot to mention they are both top speed rated at 205mph

if top speed is what you are looking for then the ford GT is a waste..... do you realize how much camaro you could build with $160,000 ??? :eyes:

The Ford GT at the time was the top of its class, the ZR1 is a beast like you said but its 5 or so years younger. As time goes on, the power usually goes up.

Also how can you bash on the Mustang? The car has been around since the 60s unlike the Camaro and Trans Am who had been discontinued. Your right the power isn't there like its counter parts but they are catering to different people and have done so successfully. I like the power of the Trans Am and Camaro, they are beasts by comparison you are right! They have the raw power that the mustang doesn't have, but don't go bashing on America's BEST SELLING sports car.

One question. Do those honda, toyota, and nissan with 300 hp have 320 lbs of torq? Nope, 350Z has around 250 or 260 lbs of torq.

very true but im talking hp and how a fuel efficient v-6 has the same hp as fords performance sports car v-8

also with torque, the camry, accord, maxima all have a v-6 in the non-base models if they designed a v-8 not only will it have alot more then 300hp but with 2 extra cylinders they would produce alot more torque.....

oh wait i forgot toyota did make a 5.7L v-8 and it just happens to be in the truck i own, 381hp 401ft/lbs stock

now thats an engine that not only is awesome in the tundra but if ford could make a similar engine and put it in the mustang that would be an awesome ride

but sadly the only time ford can get close to those hp and torque numbers is if they put a blower on it..... its pathetic everyone else can do this naturally aspirated and ford has to have a power adder....

and my brother in law has a 2007 mustang gt and i race him all the time playing around and lets just say my 5,500 lb truck does just fine against him :D

a blower on my truck would put hp and torque numbers close to the zr1.... thats some performance for your dollar right there

The Ford GT at the time was the top of its class, the ZR1 is a beast like you said but its 5 or so years younger. As time goes on, the power usually goes up.

Also how can you bash on the Mustang? The car has been around since the 60s unlike the Camaro and Trans Am who had been discontinued. Your right the power isn't there like its counter parts but they are catering to different people and have done so successfully. I like the power of the Trans Am and Camaro, they are beasts by comparison you are right! They have the raw power that the mustang doesn't have, but don't go bashing on America's BEST SELLING sports car.

yeah its the best selling.... number one they build way too many and flood the market then price slash them like they are walmart or something same goes for the F-150, they flood the dealers w/ them then come out w/ huge rebates to blow them all out..... and also have you driven around the mall parking lot lately???

every mustang you see v-6 or gt has girl stuff hanging from the mirror.... the top wanted car from a 16yr old girls choice is the mustang... its more of a girl car then performance car.... how many girls you know drive an ss??? how many you know drive a ram air ws6??? there a few but very few.... now how many girls you know drive a mustang???

85% or more of mustang drivers are female

dont believe me??? read this article fro mthe washington post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/06/AR2005060601397.html


ford knows this and thats why they cater more towards females, they make the car for style and ride..... not performance

thats why you see the camaro commercials or ws6 ram air commercials and they are sitting at the stop light reving their engines waiting for the light to turn green

most ford commercials are women in a convertible with their hair flying in the wind as they drive by the beach :barf:

back in the day ford made the mustang compete with the camaro and it was a performance car now it just seems to fade away

im not bashing the mustang, i owned 2 lightings and i would love to buy a new mustang if they would put a motor in the car that can keep up with something other than a four door family sedan.... the new camaro will kill the new mustang same goes for the vette

i do want a mustang but i guess im upset at ford for catering it for female college girls instead of a real performance car the way it was intended to be

yeah by how much? a car length in the 1/8th, stock to stock :eyes:
thats 1993 compared to 2005 and up.... thats 12 yrs difference

how much power did honda, toyota, or nissan 4 door family sedans make with their fuel efficient engines back in 1993??? compare it to today's models, they get better and better every year or two and ford seems to stay the same with the mustang

and as for the ford GT..... dude that car is $160,000 the new ZR1 is a way better car and its $56,000 less.... also the ford GT only has 500hp and 500 ft/lbs compared to the ZR1's 638hp 604 ft/lbs..... hmm, which one would i choose??? the car with 140 more hp and $56,000 less or the ford GT ??? hmmm, thats a tough one :eyes: oh and i forgot to mention they are both top speed rated at 205mph

if top speed is what you are looking for then the ford GT is a waste..... do you realize how much camaro you could build with $160,000 ??? :eyes:

Don't worry the 2011 model is going to get a DOHC 4v mod 5.0 400hp engine and weight less then the camaro at the same time:D...then later is probably going to get direct injection which will increase its hp and other features that will increase MPG:D

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:It seems like you just googled for the ford gt and got the concept specs of the ford gt.The ford GT has 550hp....Also since the engine is in the rear it puts more hp to the wheels so it does like 515hp in the dyno.

Yeah the Zr1 has more hp but it's like 4 or 5 years ahead.The ford Gt was a amazing car at the time and real cheap SuperCar.

I personally would get a Ford GT over the zr1 because I like it more but also because the car is proven to get 1000rwhp stock motor,maybe the ls9 can do that as well,we will have to wait and see.

don't worry the 2011 model is going to get a dohc 4v mod 5.0 400hp engine and weight less then the camaro at the same time:d...then later is probably going to get direct injection which will increase its hp and other features that will increase mpg:d

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:it seems like you just googled for the ford gt and got the concept specs of the ford gt.the ford gt has 550hp....also since the engine is in the rear it puts more hp to the wheels so it does like 515hp in the dyno.

Yeah the zr1 has more hp but it's like 4 or 5 years ahead.the ford gt was a amazing car at the time and real cheap supercar.

I personally would get a ford gt over the zr1 because i like it more but also because the car is proven to get 1000rwhp stock motor,maybe the ls9 can do that as well,we will have to wait and see. ding ding ding !!!! You win first prize for making intelligent observations today !!!!!!

Why are yall talking ford gt's and ZR1's? I thought this was about the rustang.
As far as they go I would get one for my wife or my daughter, something 'fun' and to my wife 'cute' but not actually fast/powerfull enough to get hurt playing in.
Now my boy on the other hand, he would have an fbody/corvette!

Mustang has always catered to the average person who dosent really know what quick/fast is but want something that looks good and has a V8(albeit tiny) and is considered a 'sporty' car. Hell the v6 and chicks is what has kept mustang alive. Go and test drive one, they are very comfortable, very solid and easy to drive, but definitely not in the same league as an fbody/vette as far as power is concerned.

Don't worry the 2011 model is going to get a DOHC 4v mod 5.0 400hp engine and weight less then the camaro at the same time:D...then later is probably going to get direct injection which will increase its hp and other features that will increase MPG:D

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:It seems like you just googled for the ford gt and got the concept specs of the ford gt.The ford GT has 550hp....Also since the engine is in the rear it puts more hp to the wheels so it does like 515hp in the dyno.

Yeah the Zr1 has more hp but it's like 4 or 5 years ahead.The ford Gt was a amazing car at the time and real cheap SuperCar.

I personally would get a Ford GT over the zr1 because I like it more but also because the car is proven to get 1000rwhp stock motor,maybe the ls9 can do that as well,we will have to wait and see.

A GM guy told me that due to the head gasket they used on the ZR1 that GM recommended people not to mod it for more power.

Why are yall talking ford gt's and ZR1's? I thought this was about the rustang.
As far as they go I would get one for my wife or my daughter, something 'fun' and to my wife 'cute' but not actually fast/powerfull enough to get hurt playing in.
Now my boy on the other hand, he would have an fbody/corvette!

Mustang has always catered to the average person who dosent really know what quick/fast is but want something that looks good and has a V8(albeit tiny) and is considered a 'sporty' car. Hell the v6 and chicks is what has kept mustang alive. Go and test drive one, they are very comfortable, very solid and easy to drive, but definitely not in the same league as an fbody/vette as far as power is concerned.

The 03/04 Cobra & GT500 poop all over F-body power. And the 2004 Mach 1 is neck and neck.

The 03/04 Cobra & GT500 poop all over F-body power. And the 2004 Mach 1 is neck and neck. WHY BOTHER CASEYPAYNE69 ???????? Let people have their opinion, it's not going to change what goes on in the REAL world.

The 03/04 Cobra & GT500 poop all over F-body power. And the 2004 Mach 1 is neck and neck.

Ill actually have to give that to ya because I do like the 03-04 machs, only decent stang recently produced.
Stock for stock fbody vs. cobra is a drivers race, seen it many times! Hell I know of one fbody that was bolt on only with qa1 rear shocks and DR's smoke a kenne belle 600+ rwhp cobra in the 1/4. Is that typical? No, but the cobra is not unbeatable. Ive seen too many gt500's run mid 12's because they are heavy as fvck and had bad drivers. Dont compare cars that costs 25-50+ grand to a 6000 dollar 02 Z28, but if you must the ol Z will hold its own pretty well. Sure the machs are cool, but Look at dollar/rwhp and the ol LS1 has em pretty well beat. Then of course there is the aftermarket, and please dont try to say that the 4.6 has a better dollar to hp ratio in the aftermarket because its just not true. Fact is that the 4th gen fbods are kinda the equivilant of the old 5.0 mustangs now, the standard for hobby drag cars and home built race cars, and there is a reason for it.

Ill actually have to give that to ya because I do like the 03-04 machs, only decent stang recently produced.
Stock for stock fbody vs. cobra is a drivers race, seen it many times! Hell I know of one fbody that was bolt on only with qa1 rear shocks and DR's smoke a kenne belle 600+ rwhp cobra in the 1/4. Is that typical? No, but the cobra is not unbeatable. Ive seen too many gt500's run mid 12's because they are heavy as fvck and had bad drivers. Dont compare cars that costs 25-50+ grand to a 6000 dollar 02 Z28, but if you must the ol Z will hold its own pretty well. Sure the machs are cool, but Look at dollar/rwhp and the ol LS1 has em pretty well beat. Then of course there is the aftermarket, and please dont try to say that the 4.6 has a better dollar to hp ratio in the aftermarket because its just not true. Fact is that the 4th gen fbods are kinda the equivilant of the old 5.0 mustangs now, the standard for hobby drag cars and home built race cars, and there is a reason for it.

I've seen a 2003 WRX with 250 hp beat a stock 2007 Viper, so I see your point. And your right the aftermarket is WAY expensive on Modular motors. But the hp per dollar rip is in favor on the 03/04 Cobra 2k in simple bolt's and you have 500 rwhp.

I have thought of getting an 02 TA though as my new toy. THOUGHT about it.:angel:

Don't worry the 2011 model is going to get a DOHC 4v mod 5.0 400hp engine and weight less then the camaro at the same time:D...then later is probably going to get direct injection which will increase its hp and other features that will increase MPG:D

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:It seems like you just googled for the ford gt and got the concept specs of the ford gt.The ford GT has 550hp....Also since the engine is in the rear it puts more hp to the wheels so it does like 515hp in the dyno.

Yeah the Zr1 has more hp but it's like 4 or 5 years ahead.The ford Gt was a amazing car at the time and real cheap SuperCar.

I personally would get a Ford GT over the zr1 because I like it more but also because the car is proven to get 1000rwhp stock motor,maybe the ls9 can do that as well,we will have to wait and see.

as far as the car goes i would take a Z-06 over the $160,000 ford GT.....
not much of a power difference and we are comparing a naturally aspirated car to a car with a blower on it

also the z-06 weighs less in addition with just full exhaust it has 500rwhp.... lets put a blower on a z-06 a compare it to the ford GT i dont care if its a 5.4L against a 7.0L im looking at $160,000 compared to $74,000 !!!!!!! :eyes:

also with $15k in mods the Z-06 would only be $89,000 compared to the $160,000 and it would kill the ford GT on anything, handling, 0-60, 0-100, 0-200..... 1/4 mile, standing mile.... anything and it would do that being $60,000 less

hmm, lets see, have a better car all around and have an extra $60,000 in my pocket.... nah you're right i would much rather get a ford GT too, yeah i would rather have a car that cost the same as my house just cuz it looks cool :eyes:

and as far as your 2011 mustang remark, it will only have 400hp at the crank??? you can make a LS-1 with a $400 cam and crappy exhaust have 400rwhp

also you should note the new camaro says it has 422hp but im sure just like the others it is underrated and will probably have 400 or so rwhp bone stock

when is mustang gonna have 400rwhp without a power adder???

and did you see my post about how Ford's marketing group is doing a stronger push toward the female market with its '05 Mustang. Ford teamed up with OPI, a popular nail-care line, to offer "high octane" shades of nail lacquer. Revved Up & Red-y (a dark red that translates to Mustang's Redfire Clearcoat Metallic); You Make Me Vroom (a hot red that mimics Mustang'sTorch Red Clear); and Gone Platinum in 60 Seconds (a cool silver that matches Mustang's silver Clearcoat Metallic) will be available at more than 25,000 salons in the United States and Canada.

THE MUSTANG IS A GIRLS CAR

that explains why it has NO POWER

you dont see GM getting lipstick company's to give them color choices of the camaro do you??? or give them insight on interior/ exterior design do you???

NO YOU DONT

Ill actually have to give that to ya because I do like the 03-04 machs, only decent stang recently produced.
Stock for stock fbody vs. cobra is a drivers race, seen it many times! Hell I know of one fbody that was bolt on only with qa1 rear shocks and DR's smoke a kenne belle 600+ rwhp cobra in the 1/4. Is that typical? No, but the cobra is not unbeatable. Ive seen too many gt500's run mid 12's because they are heavy as fvck and had bad drivers. Dont compare cars that costs 25-50+ grand to a 6000 dollar 02 Z28, but if you must the ol Z will hold its own pretty well. Sure the machs are cool, but Look at dollar/rwhp and the ol LS1 has em pretty well beat. Then of course there is the aftermarket, and please dont try to say that the 4.6 has a better dollar to hp ratio in the aftermarket because its just not true. Fact is that the 4th gen fbods are kinda the equivilant of the old 5.0 mustangs now, the standard for hobby drag cars and home built race cars, and there is a reason for it.


What?

You said that no mustang was not in the same league as far as power goes,not how much money to power ratio you get with the car....nice spin though.

Also just so you know the new camaro SS is going to cost 28k-33k so I guess by your logic that car cant be compared to the ls1 camaros since it will only be slightly faster but yet cost about 20k more.

Nobody said cobra's were unbeatable but they are faster than the Ls1's regardless of money etc.Also the cobra's are great cars for high hp with easy modding which is a plus on my book.

What?

You said that no mustang was not in the same league as far as power goes,not how much money to power ratio you get with the car....nice spin though.

Well its just how I look at things. No car is perfect from the factory, Im pretty sure most people here mod a car rgardless of what it is stock. Wasnt looking to spin anything.

Also just so you know the new camaro SS is going to cost 28k-33k so I guess by your logic that car cant be compared to the ls1 camaros since it will only be slightly faster but yet cost about 20k more.

Well it dosent exist yet, and I dont think it ever really will for any length of time, but if you must no you really cant compare the two in my book. One can be had for less than 10 grand and the other around 30. Im not exactly sure what your trying to say by this but I personally do not see anything overly interesting about the 'new' camaro. Its ugly as sin, but at least it comes with a good motor for modding.

Nobody said cobra's were unbeatable but they are faster than the Ls1's regardless of money etc.Also the cobra's are great cars for high hp with easy modding which is a plus on my book.

Well Im going to have to take issue with this one. Seen to many cobra's with cocky drivers go down to fbods. of course driver skill comes into play but hell I know of stock fbodys going high 12's (mike@cms ~12.7 if I remember correctly from what I was told). All boils down to what you like. Personally I look at the whole cost of a car, ie say a cobra going for 25 thousand or a Z28 going for 8. Assuming both run well ca I make the Z faster than the cobra for the 17 thousand dollar difference? You bet! Cobras are nice, just not my cup of tea.As far as my comment about the stang not being in the same league, ya ok straight bullshit on my part, when you look at what they really are, but to me there is no comparison so that was a little personall bias coming through.

as far as the car goes i would take a Z-06 over the $160,000 ford GT.....
not much of a power difference and we are comparing a naturally aspirated car to a car with a blower on it

also the z-06 weighs less in addition with just full exhaust it has 500rwhp.... lets put a blower on a z-06 a compare it to the ford GT i dont care if its a 5.4L against a 7.0L im looking at $160,000 compared to $74,000 !!!!!!! :eyes:

also with $15k in mods the Z-06 would only be $89,000 compared to the $160,000 and it would kill the ford GT on anything, handling, 0-60, 0-100, 0-200..... 1/4 mile, standing mile.... anything and it would do that being $60,000 less

hmm, lets see, have a better car all around and have an extra $60,000 in my pocket.... nah you're right i would much rather get a ford GT too, yeah i would rather have a car that cost the same as my house just cuz it looks cool :eyes:

and as far as your 2011 mustang remark, it will only have 400hp at the crank??? you can make a LS-1 with a $400 cam and crappy exhaust have 400rwhp

also you should note the new camaro says it has 422hp but im sure just like the others it is underrated and will probably have 400 or so rwhp bone stock

when is mustang gonna have 400rwhp without a power adder???

and did you see my post about how Ford's marketing group is doing a stronger push toward the female market with its '05 Mustang. Ford teamed up with OPI, a popular nail-care line, to offer "high octane" shades of nail lacquer. Revved Up & Red-y (a dark red that translates to Mustang's Redfire Clearcoat Metallic); You Make Me Vroom (a hot red that mimics Mustang'sTorch Red Clear); and Gone Platinum in 60 Seconds (a cool silver that matches Mustang's silver Clearcoat Metallic) will be available at more than 25,000 salons in the United States and Canada.

THE MUSTANG IS A GIRLS CAR

that explains why it has NO POWER

you dont see GM getting lipstick company's to give them color choices of the camaro do you??? or give them insight on interior/ exterior design do you???

NO YOU DONT

or I can just get a geo metro or a 5.0 Mustang and make it super fast and smoke all of them with less money:eyes::eyes::eyes:


First of all IMO the ford GT is a way superior car to the z06 and I have lots of reason for this.

The first thing you mention was how close the z06 is to the ford GT in hp for N/A.Yeah it is but thats not the whole picture.The lS7 is a amazing engine but it's not a good engine for boost and cannot handle 1000rwhp stock motor unlike the MOD 5.4L.So one of the reasons that the ford gt cost so much was because the engine is actually very good(no offense to the ls7,I love the engine and it's extremely lightweight but the 5.4l is better to make hp).Sure a ls7 can make 1000rwhp but the engine will need to be built.

Also like they say run what you brung,dont make up a damn ricer excuse "if only it had a supercharger to make it fair":eyes:.

So my answer stands...I would rather get ford GT because stock for stock is a better car than the z06(1/4 mile wise and on the road course) and because it gets a very good engine with forged internals that a 60k+ fast car should get IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Yeah around(means it could be more) 400hp and weight less...trust me the Mustang is going to beat or be neck to neck with the SS in performance.



No I didn't see the article but from what you just said...ford is genius.

They are doing great marketing to sell this car to a broad audience which will keep the mustangs alive and well ,so people who actually get mustangs because of performance will benifit.....Im sure chevy would love if 16 year old girls bought the new camaro's,Im sure they are hoping for everybody from 16 year old chick to a 80 year old grandma to buy the car.

The 03/04 Cobra & GT500 poop all over F-body power. And the 2004 Mach 1 is neck and neck.

you are comparing a car with a power adder cuz thats the only way ford can get the mustang to compete with anything in the muscle car catagory

their cobra only made 390 crank hp the ls1 is only a few hp behind, mine bone stock off the showroom floor in 01' was 318rwhp and it did that being naturally aspirated.... lets put a blower on an ls1 and see what numbers it puts down

also the GT500 is fords competition for the vette and the GT500 is heavier, it dosent handle as well as the vette, dosent have the exotic look as the vette, not as aerodynamic, and is slower than the base model corvette 0-60 and top speed

you are comparing the $44,500 GT500 to a $23,500 ls1 camaro.....considering both were purchased new

thats like comparing the 2009 corvette to the 2002 mustang gt and saying the mustang gt gets pooped on by the vette everytime they race :eyes:

whats sad is a bolt on and cam only ls1 can hang with the supercharged GT500

whats makes that hilarious is that its true

Well its just how I look at things. No car is perfect from the factory, Im pretty sure most people here mod a car rgardless of what it is stock. Wasnt looking to spin anything.

I said that because the guy answered your question of a Mustang actually being faster when you said no mustang can match the F-body's power which has nothing to do with money so when you mentioned money it was sort of irrelevant to your original statement of power not money.



Well it dosent exist yet, and I dont think it ever really will for any length of time, but if you must no you really cant compare the two in my book. One can be had for less than 10 grand and the other around 30. Im not exactly sure what your trying to say by this but I personally do not see anything overly interesting about the 'new' camaro. Its ugly as sin, but at least it comes with a good motor for modding.I know money is a way to compare a car but a class/performance of a car is way to compare as well so comparing a similar car like LS1 Camaro to the new LS3 camaro to the Cobra's make's some sense.



Well Im going to have to take issue with this one. Seen to many cobra's with cocky drivers go down to fbods. of course driver skill comes into play but hell I know of stock fbodys going high 12's (mike@cms ~12.7 if I remember correctly from what I was told). All boils down to what you like. Personally I look at the whole cost of a car, ie say a cobra going for 25 thousand or a Z28 going for 8. Assuming both run well ca I make the Z faster than the cobra for the 17 thousand dollar difference? You bet! Cobras are nice, just not my cup of tea.The cobra's with equal drivers are faster and that was my point.

Yeah a car that cost less can almost anytime be made faster than a most expensive car,thats how it is most of the times but a important factor to me is the potential and MOD 4.6L has way more potential.

It looks like it got surprise butt secks from a Challenger, then all of a sudden the Challenger was getting surprise butt secks from a Nissan GTR.

First of all IMO the ford GT is a way superior car to the z06 and I have lots of reason for this.

The first thing you mention was how close the z06 is to the ford GT in hp for N/A.Yeah it is but thats not the whole picture.The lS7 is a amazing engine but it's not a good engine for boost and cannot handle 1000rwhp stock motor unlike the MOD 5.4L.So one of the reasons that the ford gt cost so much was because the engine is actually very good(no offense to the ls7,I love the engine and it's extremely lightweight but the 5.4l is better to make hp).Sure a ls7 can make 1000rwhp but the engine will need to be built.

Also like they say run what you brung,dont make up a damn ricer excuse "if only it had a supercharger to make it fair":eyes:.

So my answer stands...I would rather get ford GT because stock for stock is a better car than the z06(1/4 mile wise and on the road course) and because it gets a very good engine with forged internals that a 60k+ fast car should get IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats true but ford GT built their car with boost in mind, as for Z-06 it was designed to be naturally aspirated

NOT TO MENTION THE FORD GT IS ALMOST $100,000 MORE

HELLO DID YOU HEAR THAT :funny:

and i seriously doubt the 1000rwhp with stock internals..... i remember when my buddy was going to buy a 04 cobra cuz it had all forged internals and could hold 600rwhp easily on the stock motor......

well a couple months went by and he started reading about all these guys on the mustang forums talking about how they blew their motor with the pulley upgrade and or the KB upgrade

after that he bought an 02' ss and with few mods he would spank 600 rwhp KB cobras

so im sure you could make the ford GT have 1000rwhp but i bet it wont last as long as you think it will, just like all the cobra guys that had to learn the hard way

also im not saying its not fair comparing the camaro to the cobra cuz the cobra is supercharged.... what im saying is the only way ford can hang with real muscle cars is by having a power adder..... they cannot make a naturally aspirated mustang v-8 produce any more hp than a 4 door family sedan v-6

and i may sound dumb to you but i would much rather have a Z-06 and $100,000 in my pocket than a overpriced ford GT

you are comparing a car with a power adder cuz thats the only way ford can get the mustang to compete with anything in the muscle car catagory

their cobra only made 390 crank hp the ls1 is only a few hp behind, mine bone stock off the showroom floor in 01' was 318rwhp and it did that being naturally aspirated.... lets put a blower on an ls1 and see what numbers it puts down

also the GT500 is fords competition for the vette and the GT500 is heavier, it dosent handle as well as the vette, dosent have the exotic look as the vette, not as aerodynamic, and is slower than the base model corvette 0-60 and top speed

you are comparing the $44,500 GT500 to a $23,500 ls1 camaro.....considering both were purchased new

thats like comparing the 2009 corvette to the 2002 mustang gt and saying the mustang gt gets pooped on by the vette everytime they race :eyes:

whats sad is a bolt on and cam only ls1 can hang with the supercharged GT500

whats makes that hilarious is that its true

First of all, stop being a nine year old with this "they have to use a blower" crap. Cars have what they have and no matter how much you cry you can't tough the mod potential of a FI car to a N/A car.
Secondly, Ford is in the business of selling cars. Even with the crummy power the GT makes, Ford still sells TONS of mustangs. Since there was no competition for the car, what is the point of upgrading the power plants if they are selling?
Now that the New ss and Challenger are out, you will see a new motor in the '11 GT with 400hp.
Like it or not, Ford also has the best Pony car out right now with the GT500, the fact that it makes close to 600whp with bolt ons is pretty nice too ;)

you are comparing a car with a power adder cuz thats the only way ford can get the mustang to compete with anything in the muscle car catagory

their cobra only made 390 crank hp the ls1 is only a few hp behind, mine bone stock off the showroom floor in 01' was 318rwhp and it did that being naturally aspirated.... lets put a blower on an ls1 and see what numbers it puts down

also the GT500 is fords competition for the vette and the GT500 is heavier, it dosent handle as well as the vette, dosent have the exotic look as the vette, not as aerodynamic, and is slower than the base model corvette 0-60 and top speed

you are comparing the $44,500 GT500 to a $23,500 ls1 camaro.....considering both were purchased new

thats like comparing the 2009 corvette to the 2002 mustang gt and saying the mustang gt gets pooped on by the vette everytime they race :eyes:

whats sad is a bolt on and cam only ls1 can hang with the supercharged GT500

whats makes that hilarious is that its true

If a Ls1 came with power adder it wouldn't be able to handle 800rwhp stock motor like the 03/04 Cobra because the engine isn't really designed for high hp and for boost just like how the 03/04 isnt designed for N/a...whats so hard to understand that some engines are better for different things,their no "best engine".So the Cobra might handle more hp and be better for boost but the LS1 is lighter weight and is better N/a.

The GT500 is considered a competitor to the corvette because of the price but considering the types of cars they are they really arn't.So yeah the corvette sports car is better than the Muscle car GT500 in everything but you forgot one thing.....Power potential.The GT500 MOD 5.4L can handle 800rwhp stock motor and the LS3 can't(the Gt500 also gets more hp with easy mods).(also the GT500 is a fast car and great handling).

Also you forget about inflation so the cost of the GT500 will actually be much lower or the camaro's price will be higher if it was made at the same time.

Like I said people compare the GT500 to the camaro because their muscle cars,its more relevant than a corvette to a mustang because their completely different.

thats true but ford GT built their car with boost in mind, as for Z-06 it was designed to be naturally aspirated

NOT TO MENTION THE FORD GT IS ALMOST $100,000 MORE

HELLO DID YOU HEAR THAT :funny:

and i seriously doubt the 1000rwhp with stock internals..... i remember when my buddy was going to buy a 04 cobra cuz it had all forged internals and could hold 600rwhp easily on the stock motor......

well a couple months went by and he started reading about all these guys on the mustang forums talking about how they blew their motor with the pulley upgrade and or the KB upgrade

after that he bought an 02' ss and with few mods he would spank 600 rwhp KB cobras

so im sure you could make the ford GT have 1000rwhp but i bet it wont last as long as you think it will, just like all the cobra guys that had to learn the hard way

also im not saying its not fair comparing the camaro to the cobra cuz the cobra is supercharged.... what im saying is the only way ford can hang with real muscle cars is by having a power adder..... they cannot make a naturally aspirated mustang v-8 produce any more hp than a 4 door family sedan v-6

and i may sound dumb to you but i would much rather have a Z-06 and $100,000 in my pocket than a overpriced ford GT

Havn't you seen the Ford GT with 1000rwhp+ around the internet,it's was street driven BTW and theirs a bunch of other ford gt's with 800rwhp+ daily driven.

Again how a Mustang 4.6L does in high hp is irrelevant to what a 5.4L ford gt does.

again dude stop with blower crap,I really don't care if it's boosted along as the car has great potential and is fast.

thats true but ford GT built their car with boost in mind, as for Z-06 it was designed to be naturally aspirated

NOT TO MENTION THE FORD GT IS ALMOST $100,000 MORE

HELLO DID YOU HEAR THAT :funny:

and i seriously doubt the 1000rwhp with stock internals..... i remember when my buddy was going to buy a 04 cobra cuz it had all forged internals and could hold 600rwhp easily on the stock motor......

well a couple months went by and he started reading about all these guys on the mustang forums talking about how they blew their motor with the pulley upgrade and or the KB upgrade

after that he bought an 02' ss and with few mods he would spank 600 rwhp KB cobras

so im sure you could make the ford GT have 1000rwhp but i bet it wont last as long as you think it will, just like all the cobra guys that had to learn the hard way

also im not saying its not fair comparing the camaro to the cobra cuz the cobra is supercharged.... what im saying is the only way ford can hang with real muscle cars is by having a power adder..... they cannot make a naturally aspirated mustang v-8 produce any more hp than a 4 door family sedan v-6

and i may sound dumb to you but i would much rather have a Z-06 and $100,000 in my pocket than a overpriced ford GT

As much as I love the LS1 and the F-body... you gotta give respect when respect is due. You bring up all the crap with the blower... how about you throw an extra 1.1 displacement on that 4.6 Ford motor and see the power it puts out?

Those MOD motors in the Cobra and Ford GT aren't pushovers. Boost or not, they are built for high potential. Go look up Joe's GTTT. Last I heard it was pushing mid 1000 WHP, and it isn't Supra WHP where it kicks in at the last bit, it is a constant progressive build under the curve.

You are argueing a battle that has been argued forever. In the end it all comes down to what you prefer. If I really wanted to I can throw a turbo on my GTP and set it up to run 10's/11's with it fully loaded in the four door and drive it as a DD and still get great mileage. It all comes down to who has the most money to throw at the project and make it fast.

you are comparing a car with a power adder cuz thats the only way ford can get the mustang to compete with anything in the muscle car catagory

their cobra only made 390 crank hp the ls1 is only a few hp behind, mine bone stock off the showroom floor in 01' was 318rwhp and it did that being naturally aspirated.... lets put a blower on an ls1 and see what numbers it puts down

also the GT500 is fords competition for the vette and the GT500 is heavier, it dosent handle as well as the vette, dosent have the exotic look as the vette, not as aerodynamic, and is slower than the base model corvette 0-60 and top speed

you are comparing the $44,500 GT500 to a $23,500 ls1 camaro.....considering both were purchased new

thats like comparing the 2009 corvette to the 2002 mustang gt and saying the mustang gt gets pooped on by the vette everytime they race :eyes:

whats sad is a bolt on and cam only ls1 can hang with the supercharged GT500

whats makes that hilarious is that its true

If you honestly think the 03/04 Cobra is 390 hp you have looked at dyno sheets. Its more like 420 hp. Any if you can afford a ZR1 you can afford a Ford GT. I live in Western KY its Mustang and Corvette country. I'd rather own a Viper or Ford GT to feel exclusive. C5's are a dime a dozen here, and Cobra's are more rare then Vettes.

you are comparing a car with a power adder cuz thats the only way ford can get the mustang to compete with anything in the muscle car catagory

their cobra only made 390 crank hp the ls1 is only a few hp behind, mine bone stock off the showroom floor in 01' was 318rwhp and it did that being naturally aspirated.... lets put a blower on an ls1 and see what numbers it puts down

also the GT500 is fords competition for the vette and the GT500 is heavier, it dosent handle as well as the vette, dosent have the exotic look as the vette, not as aerodynamic, and is slower than the base model corvette 0-60 and top speed

you are comparing the $44,500 GT500 to a $23,500 ls1 camaro.....considering both were purchased new

thats like comparing the 2009 corvette to the 2002 mustang gt and saying the mustang gt gets pooped on by the vette everytime they race :eyes:

whats sad is a bolt on and cam only ls1 can hang with the supercharged GT500

whats makes that hilarious is that its true

You must hate the ZR1?

One question. Do those honda, toyota, and nissan with 300 hp have 320 lbs of torq? Nope, 350Z has around 250 or 260 lbs of torq.





And 2005+ is faster than every GT mustang. Especially 07 on.

The GT500 wasn't made to be a direct competitor with the Vett, its just the fastest mustang. Price point aside, it is just a base mustang with better suspension and a killer motor. Nothing about the Vett was designed to sell in the number of units the mustang does. The may compete for sales, but it wasn't designed for that purpose.

The mustng isn't in competition with the Z either. It is sad that ford's "pony car" can get throttled by a number of cars, but that will change with the "Coyote" motor in 2011. Better than never.

While slow, they are still a lot more fun to drive than the 350z, as the bottom end torque can be entertaining. In reality, they are both super slow.