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Nissan Announces New GT-R SpecV Model

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TOKYO (Jan. 8, 2009) -- Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. today announced a new limited-production Nissan GT-R SpecV model, which goes on sale at seven specially selected Nissan dealers throughout Japan on February 2, 2009. The GT-R SpecV is targeted specifically at enthusiast drivers who desire race car-level performance in a street-legal vehicle.

Developed around the multi-dimensional Nissan GT-R sports car, which was introduced just more than one year ago to universal global acclaim, the new SpecV model builds on the original's "ultimate supercar that anyone can enjoy driving anywhere, at anytime" philosophy - taking it to an entirely new level of "oneness between man and machine." The SpecV model includes unique body, interior and performance equipment and modifications, raising the GT-R's unmatched performance to even higher levels.

The GT-R SpecV's new exterior features include a carbon fiber rear spoiler, a carbon fiber grille, and carbon fiber brake ducts. The SpecV is available exclusively in Ultimate Black Opal (RP) body color. Inside, the SpecV's unique two-seat interior (non-SpecV GT-R models also include a two-place rear seat) offers special Recaro carbon fiber bucket seats, while carbon fiber insets embellish the rear center storage box, instrument panel and other trim areas.

Performance is enhanced with a new high gear boost control device, which momentarily increases boost of the engine's twin turbochargers for greater torque in the intermediate-to-high speed ranges to provide a more powerful feeling of acceleration, while also allowing the engine to operate at a lower speed for improved fuel economy. Other modifications include a titanium-coated exhaust system and carbon-ceramic brakes that provide powerful stopping performance.

The GT-R SpecV is also equipped with lightweight, racing-style forged aluminum wheels that were developed for this model and have been sold by Nissan Motorsports International (NISMO) since September 2008. The lighter unsprung weight provided by the new wheels, together with the enhanced braking capability, an exclusive suspension and high-grip tires, combine to deliver the SpecV's exceptional performance.

The SpecV will be sold at the following seven dealer outlets, each of which is staffed by mechanics with special GT-R SpecV training and who are knowledgeable of racing circuit driving.

Dealer outlets selling the SpecV
Ibaraki Nissan Sales Co., Ltd. Mito Sennami Outlet
Nissan Prince Tokyo Sales Co., Ltd. Kamedo Outlet
Nissan Prince Nagoya Sales Co., Ltd. Fukiage Outlet
Nissan Prince Osaka Sales Co., Ltd. Horie Kawaguchi Outlet
Nissan Prince Hyogo Sales Co., Ltd. Nada Outlet
Nissan Prince Kagawa Sales Co., Ltd. Takamatsu Outlet
Yamaguchi Nissan Sales Co., Ltd. Ogori Interchange Outlet

Suggested nationwide retail price (including consumption tax) 15,750,000 yen.

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oink oink its still a pig and they still aint done anyything about that weak ass tranny

It's nice

Harry, I like it. Little added touches make the car overall look better. I bet it cost as much as a ZR1 with the performance of a Z06:thumb:

I bet it cost as much as a ZR1Way, way more than that. :eek: :nod:

whats the deal with those rotors? Look dirty or scratched or something.

whats the deal with those rotors? Look dirty or scratched or something.Not sure if you're kidding around or not :D but they are the high dollar carbon/ceramic type rotors much like the ones on the Corvette ZR-1 and Ferrari Enzo and optional on some Porsche models. :nod:

Not sure if you're kidding around or not :D but they are the high dollar carbon/ceramic type rotors much like the ones on the Corvette ZR-1 and Ferrari Enzo and optional on some Porsche models. :nod:

Heh, not kidding, :emb:, guess I've just never seen them up close.

Silicon Carbide?

Looks like a Japanese super car to me. Ugly black wheels + 2 turbos + lots of CF + huge wing + body kit = a import lovers perfect dream car.

But once again can the SpecV perform to its hype? Nope not for 160k.

oink oink its still a pig and they still aint done anyything about that weak ass tranny

Trans failures have only occurred over long periods of launches(Lc). The trans has never failed during regular launches or track/autocross periods.

You make it sound like transmission failures from stock power are acceptable.

Trans failures have only occurred over long periods of launches(Lc). The trans has never failed during regular launches or track/autocross periods.

Ohhhh, so they only break when you launch hard? So I should be fine if I don't wanna go fast. That's good to know.

You make it sound like transmission failures from stock power are acceptable.

When you are consistently dumping an awd car at 4500rpms something is bound to break. It happened with the Veyron(same company BorgWarner makes GTR trans), Evo, STI and Porsche.

GM refuses to warranty stock Z06 for track usage:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z06-discussion/2203669-c-6-z06-blown-engine-not-warranted-by-gm.html

Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.

GM came out with a service bulletin specifically covering the ZR1, but what is interesting is how they work it in with what they claim is existing GM policy:

"General Motors designed and produced the ZR1 be driven on the roads. While the car is capable of awesome displays of power and speed it was not designed to be "raced". All of the restrictions that are currently in place for all of GM’s products are in place on the ZR1 as well. There are several notations in the warranty booklets that explain that GM may deny warranty coverage if the vehicle or part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper or insufficient maintenance or modifications not approved by GM. This includes common "upgrades" customers may make such as wheels, tires, suspension, brakes, air induction and engine calibrations. Please ensure this is covered with the owner when the vehicle is delivered. The ZR1 will perform well in a track environment; however, it was not designed, built or sold as a "track car." If an owner elects to use the car in such a manner, it is outside the intent of the warranty as supplied by General Motors and any damage as a result may not be covered by the GM warranty. Explaining this to a customer before the car is sold may prevent misunderstandings later."

In any event, how they can know that the blown engine was "a result" of an arguable racing activity is difficult to fathom if they haven't taken the engine apart to see why it failed.

How is this any different the what Nissan is doing? Secondly, Nissan explains in the owners manual and in person what the intended use of launch control is for.

Something doesn't sound right here. I lost the engine in my ZO6 while at a driving school at VIR over Memorial Day this year. I had it towed to the dealer, and I was totally honest in every aspect of the incident. Mine was a low oil pressure induced failure. A main bearing was definitely involved, because it was audible by the time I got back to the paddock area after seeing the warning and feeling the power loss. The dealer knew all the details, including where I was and what I was doing. The car went back to Bowling Green three days later, and the engine was replaced under warranty. The service at both the dealership and factory was exceptional. They verified that my car was stock, and did a computer scan to verify no tune or other tampering. I was told that if a tune had been detected, the claim would have been denied. Of course, a denied claim is not the end of the process, and the customer might ultimately prevail, but it could be a very big problem. The Museum sponsors its own DE schools, with factory folks in attendance and participating. So again, a denied claim based only on participating in a DE event sounds wrong, assuming the car is stock.

At the time my car was in BG for engine replacement, there were 7 or 8 other ZO6's in line for new engines also. I got rid of the car shortly thereafter, because I could not get any information from the factory about either the problem with my engine, or, if there was a common problem that would have just been repeated in the new motor. But the rate of failures at that time suggested to me that a problem existed. If the larger sump proves to be the fix, and assuming GM and Corvette survive, I may buy another one next year.

So the GTR is not the only car exempt from issues.

the z06 dont snap a rearend every 20 launchers either.


sorry nissan nice car, fast and all but they got a big problem they need to deal with end of story

the z06 dont snap a rearend every 20 launchers either.


sorry nissan nice car, fast and all but they got a big problem they need to deal with end of story

The trans is strong enough to hold 100+lc and 600hp, so how is that not strong enough? Eventually it did give way, but that was due to track conditions(read up on it)

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27273

The company that did the testing wanted to see how strong the trans really was. And to me, it exceeded what your impressions of it are.

Pulled the first GT-R sub 1.5 60ft too. 1.497

This is the first year for the car. Of course issues are bound to happen. Just like the roof incidence, engine failures, rear end, rocker arms, etc... all in the C6Z. But this seems to be overlooked because its an import/gtr :eyes:.

When you are consistently dumping an awd car at 4500rpms something is bound to break. It happened with the Veyron(same company BorgWarner makes GTR trans), Evo, STI and Porsche.


How is this any different the what Nissan is doing? Secondly, Nissan explains in the owners manual and in person what the intended use of launch control is for.

As far as I can tell, the intended use of the launch control is a pretty button you cant touch.

Not warrantying a raced car make sense, cars not being able to use their own feature on an unmodified car without breaking doesn't make sense.

oh i know all about the z06 falling apart. however for that much cash and nissan bragging about it so much you'd think they wouldnt put a feature you cant use on it. nor should they have put something in it that broke so easily to begin with. same for the z06

As far as I can tell, the intended use of the launch control is a pretty button you cant touch.

Not warrantying a raced car make sense, cars not being able to use their own feature on an unmodified car without breaking doesn't make sense.

It's not a button you push in order to activate lc. You have to go through a sequence of steps in order to activate it. Secondly, Nissan stated to each individual and in the owners manual what the intended use of the lc feature was. If you choose to not obey what the warranty states, then you suffer the consequences. Nissan does not provide sponsorships to individuals! Furthermore, lc is not necessary in order to drive the car or street race.

oh i know all about the z06 falling apart. however for that much cash and nissan bragging about it so much you'd think they wouldnt put a feature you cant use on it. nor should they have put something in it that broke so easily to begin with. same for the z06

I understand, but the trans failure has been over hyped by the same trans failure incident being displaced throughout every domestic forum. Again, when did Nissan ever brag about the car? When did Nissan advertise LC?

The first 5 or so Veyrons had the same trans issue. Being that the GTR/Veyron use similar transmission designs, I think BorgWarner needs to take some of the blame instead of Nissan. BW produced both the GTR and Veyron transmissions.

I understand, but the trans failure has been over hyped by the same trans failure incident being displaced throughout every domestic forum. Again, when did Nissan ever brag about the car? When did Nissan advertise LC?

The first 5 or so Veyrons had the same trans issue. Being that the GTR/Veyron use similar transmission designs, I think BorgWarner needs to take some of the blame instead of Nissan. BW produced both the GTR and Veyron transmissions.

I bet the Bugg had the tranny replaced under warranty though;)
The fact that the GTR is the most expensive Nissan leads one to think that the trans should be fixed under warranty.

As far as the Spec-V is concerned, converting the yen to dollars on it put at over 160k which is redunkulous. It shoudl be less than that here, but not by too terribly much. The expensive change is the brake set up, and Nissan debated not using them since there wasn't a huge performance increase.

Something doesn't sound right here. I lost the engine in my ZO6 while at a driving school at VIR over Memorial Day this year. I had it towed to the dealer, and I was totally honest in every aspect of the incident. Mine was a low oil pressure induced failure. A main bearing was definitely involved, because it was audible by the time I got back to the paddock area after seeing the warning and feeling the power loss. The dealer knew all the details, including where I was and what I was doing. The car went back to Bowling Green three days later, and the engine was replaced under warranty. The service at both the dealership and factory was exceptional. They verified that my car was stock, and did a computer scan to verify no tune or other tampering. I was told that if a tune had been detected, the claim would have been denied. Of course, a denied claim is not the end of the process, and the customer might ultimately prevail, but it could be a very big problem. The Museum sponsors its own DE schools, with factory folks in attendance and participating. So again, a denied claim based only on participating in a DE event sounds wrong, assuming the car is stock.

At the time my car was in BG for engine replacement, there were 7 or 8 other ZO6's in line for new engines also. I got rid of the car shortly thereafter, because I could not get any information from the factory about either the problem with my engine, or, if there was a common problem that would have just been repeated in the new motor. But the rate of failures at that time suggested to me that a problem existed. If the larger sump proves to be the fix, and assuming GM and Corvette survive, I may buy another one next year.So the GTR is not the only car exempt from issues.
The trans is strong enough to hold 100+lc and 600hp, so how is that not strong enough? Eventually it did give way, but that was due to track conditions(read up on it)

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=27273
Am I the only person that sees the glaring contradiction and double-standard? It's ok if you're GTR's tranny breaks under racing conditions but not the Z06? What do you think the guy was doing at a driving school at VIR? I don't think he was learning to parallel park.

Also note the difference in how the situations were handled. Z06 loses engine at a race track, GM replaces engine under warranty. GTR loses transmission after around 20 launches, refuses to replace under warranty citing excessive abuse.

I bet the Bugg had the tranny replaced under warranty though;)
The fact that the GTR is the most expensive Nissan leads one to think that the trans should be fixed under warranty.

As far as the Spec-V is concerned, converting the yen to dollars on it put at over 160k which is redunkulous. It shoudl be less than that here, but not by too terribly much. The expensive change is the brake set up, and Nissan debated not using them since there wasn't a huge performance increase.

I agree with it being way to expensive.

Some trans are being replaced under warranty, depending on the outcome of the black box. One of the first occurrences with the trans failure(one being tossed all over net) was a guy who lauched his car 70 times in two days. 30 times at the track and a considerable amount more the very next day street racing.

Am I the only person that sees the glaring contradiction and double-standard? It's ok if you're GTR's tranny breaks under racing conditions but not the Z06? What do you think the guy was doing at a driving school at VIR? I don't think he was learning to parallel park.

Also note the difference in how the situations were handled. Z06 loses engine at a race track, GM replaces engine under warranty. GTR loses transmission after around 20 launches, refuses to replace under warranty citing excessive abuse.

No, GM did not replace his engine under warranty. We're talking about two different people here:

Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.

There would be an issues if there was not an indication of what lc was intended for. But there is and it is stated in the warranty.

Nissan putting the warranty-less LC on their cars would be like GM voiding the warranty on a ZR1 if you ever went into boost.

Sure there is a supercharger on the car...but you aren't allowed to use it!


Fact of the matter is, if you know it will break the car, and you don't want to warranty it...don't put it on the car!

Nissan putting the warranty-less LC on their cars would be like GM voiding the warranty on a ZR1 if you ever went into boost.

Sure there is a supercharger on the car...but you aren't allowed to use it!


Fact of the matter is, if you know it will break the car, and you don't want to warranty it...don't put it on the car!

Horrible analogy :eyes:.

Read the article a couple pages back when GM denied a warranty clause due to racing.

No, GM did not replace his engine under warranty. We're talking about two different people here:
Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.
How convenient for your arguement. I could have sworn that I read the exact opposite of that in your post that I quoted. Hang on, let me go reread that to make sure there's no double-talk going on.
Something doesn't sound right here. I lost the engine in my ZO6 while at a driving school at VIR over Memorial Day this year. I had it towed to the dealer, and I was totally honest in every aspect of the incident. Mine was a low oil pressure induced failure. A main bearing was definitely involved, because it was audible by the time I got back to the paddock area after seeing the warning and feeling the power loss. The dealer knew all the details, including where I was and what I was doing. The car went back to Bowling Green three days later, and the engine was replaced under warranty. The service at both the dealership and factory was exceptional. They verified that my car was stock, and did a computer scan to verify no tune or other tampering. I was told that if a tune had been detected, the claim would have been denied. Of course, a denied claim is not the end of the process, and the customer might ultimately prevail, but it could be a very big problem. The Museum sponsors its own DE schools, with factory folks in attendance and participating. So again, a denied claim based only on participating in a DE event sounds wrong, assuming the car is stock.
No, I definitely sense some double-talk going on.

How convenient for your arguement. I could have sworn that I read the exact opposite of that in your post that I quoted. Hang on, let me go reread that to make sure there's no double-talk going on.

No, I definitely sense some double-talk going on.

If you read the link that I quoted, you can see its two different people in the discussion :eyes:.

$173,061 USD, ouch.

$173,061 usd, ouch.

+10000000000000000

This is the first year for the car. Of course issues are bound to happen. Just like the roof incidence, engine failures, rear end, rocker arms, etc... all in the C6Z. But this seems to be overlooked because its an import/gtr :eyes:.
No. The difference is :
1.) GM warrantied and fixed all their problems, even if the car was track raced.
2.) GM isn't acting like their car is the second comming of Jesus
3.) GM did have to lie about a car being stock to get some pointless laptimes.
If ANYTHING the GTR deserves the negative attention it gets just to counteract the extreme fanboyism it has. Actually this is why the GTR does get so much negative attention, because all the fanboys (like yourself) try to over hype the car too much and defend it to the end as if Nissan could do no wrong.

No. The difference is :
1.) GM warrantied and fixed all their problems, even if the car was track raced.
2.) GM isn't acting like their car is the second comming of Jesus
3.) GM did have to lie about a car being stock to get some pointless laptimes.
If ANYTHING the GTR deserves the negative attention it gets just to counteract the extreme fanboyism it has. Actually this is why the GTR does get so much negative attention, because all the fanboys (like yourself) try to over hype the car too much and defend it to the end as if Nissan could do no wrong.

Did you even read the post that I quoted? GM DID NOT WARRANTY THAT PERSONS ENGINE. They warrantied another persons car.

Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.

GM came out with a service bulletin specifically covering the ZR1, but what is interesting is how they work it in with what they claim is existing GM policy:

"General Motors designed and produced the ZR1 be driven on the roads. While the car is capable of awesome displays of power and speed it was not designed to be "raced". All of the restrictions that are currently in place for all of GM’s products are in place on the ZR1 as well. There are several notations in the warranty booklets that explain that GM may deny warranty coverage if the vehicle or part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper or insufficient maintenance or modifications not approved by GM. This includes common "upgrades" customers may make such as wheels, tires, suspension, brakes, air induction and engine calibrations. Please ensure this is covered with the owner when the vehicle is delivered. The ZR1 will perform well in a track environment; however, it was not designed, built or sold as a "track car." If an owner elects to use the car in such a manner, it is outside the intent of the warranty as supplied by General Motors and any damage as a result may not be covered by the GM warranty. Explaining this to a customer before the car is sold may prevent misunderstandings later."

In any event, how they can know that the blown engine was "a result" of an arguable racing activity is difficult to fathom if they haven't taken the engine apart to see why it failed.

That's basically the same warranty claim as Nissan. Do you want me to show the list of engine failures, rocker arm failures and trans failures that where not covered under warranty for the C6Z.


And please show me where Nissan is advertising this car in a demeanor that you're suggesting? Its not Nissans fault that the GTR is achieving supercar status by competing with a surpassing times by cars that cost 2-4 times as much. Blame the magazines.

Did you even read the post that I quoted? GM DID NOT WARRANTY THAT PERSONS ENGINE. They warrantied another persons car.


The dealer did not warrenty the engine for that 1 particular case, NISSAN will not warranty their transmission if launch control is used PERIOD.


That's basically the same warranty claim as Nissan. Do you want me to show the list of engine failures, rocker arm failures and trans failures that where not covered under warranty for the C6Z.

Yes.


And please show me where Nissan is advertising this car in a demeanor that you're suggesting? Its not Nissans fault that the GTR is achieving supercar status by competing with a surpassing times by cars that cost 2-4 times as much. Blame the magazines.
By claiming their 7:29 time was done by a car you could buy off the show room floor. But its more or less the fanboys that are creating the hype. Its a perfectly good car, but the fanboys are ruining it by making it out to be more than it really is.

The dealer did not warrenty the engine for that 1 particular case, NISSAN will not warranty their transmission if launch control is used PERIOD.


Yes.


By claiming their 7:29 time was done by a car you could buy off the show room floor. But its more or less the fanboys that are creating the hype. Its a perfectly good car, but the fanboys are ruining it by making it out to be more than it really is.

You are a dummy. Nissan will not void the warranty if it is used...PERIOD For the 10th time....If the something where to happen as the result of abuse or neglect, they have the right to deny warranty. Did you not read the quote I showed you. Go on the GTR forums.

GM came out with a service bulletin specifically covering the ZR1, but what is interesting is how they work it in with what they claim is existing GM policy:

"General Motors designed and produced the ZR1 be driven on the roads. While the car is capable of awesome displays of power and speed it was not designed to be "raced". All of the restrictions that are currently in place for all of GM’s products are in place on the ZR1 as well. There are several notations in the warranty booklets that explain that GM may deny warranty coverage if the vehicle or part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper or insufficient maintenance

The fact that you do not believe the 7:29 claim does not make it false. The fact that not one Z06, 911 or Viper (minus ACR) has beat a GTR around any course that the magazines have provided says it will run those times! Anyways, where are the vids of the C6Z ringtime for the 100th time? GM claimed it ran a 7:42 yet knowone has ever seem it? When you find that particular vid, then you can speak of the GTR.


Toodles,

The fact that you do not believe the 7:29 claim does not make it false. The fact that not one Z06, 911 or Viper (minus ACR) has beat a GTR around any course that the magazines have provided says it will run those times! Anyways, where are the vids of the C6Z ringtime for the 100th time? GM claimed it ran a 7:42 yet knowone has ever seem it? When you find that particular vid, then you can speak of the GTR.


Toodles,
I can't find a video for the Z06, but I can certainly find one for the ZR1. You have to be extremely naive as well as have absolutely no understanding of physics if you think that a car that makes 440hp (hell, let's assume it was underrated and really makes 500hp) and weighs in close to the two-ton (3800lbs I think) mark can keep up on the long ass back straight with a car that makes 638hp and weighs 3300lbs, has a similar drag coefficient, and a higher top speed.

Also, isn't this the very argument that you seemed to be unable to maintain in a mature manner thus causing you to get banned multiple times? A wise man in your position would have shut his mouth long ago. Sticking to your guns regardless of insurmountable evidence to the contrary is not admirable, it is foolish.

I can't find a video for the Z06, but I can certainly find one for the ZR1. You have to be extremely naive as well as have absolutely no understanding of physics if you think that a car that makes 440hp (hell, let's assume it was underrated and really makes 500hp) and weighs in close to the two-ton (3800lbs I think) mark can keep up on the long ass back straight with a car that makes 638hp and weighs 3300lbs, has a similar drag coefficient, and a higher top speed.

Also, isn't this the very argument that you seemed to be unable to maintain in a mature manner thus causing you to get banned multiple times? A wise man in your position would have shut his mouth long ago. Sticking to your guns regardless of insurmountable evidence to the contrary is not admirable, it is foolish.

There's nothing that I've voiced that should have me banned :eyes:! I have an understanding with Unit. Go cry to him :eyes:

Anyways, I think you don't have the understanding of physics:

GTR has a better drag coefficient
GTR has better traction
GTR has faster shifting trans
GTR has better tires
etc....

BTW, the GTR makes an advertised 480hp not 440hp. Even so, who cares if its underrated? Many cars where LS1, Cobra etc.....

I won't dwell into another GTR ringtime conspiracy with you, because its been beaten to death. I'll just keep reading about the ass whopping it keeps giving cars that cost 2-4 times as much.

I can't find a video for the Z06, but I can certainly find one for the ZR1. You have to be extremely naive as well as have absolutely no understanding of physics if you think that a car that makes 440hp (hell, let's assume it was underrated and really makes 500hp) and weighs in close to the two-ton (3800lbs I think) mark can keep up on the long ass back straight with a car that makes 638hp and weighs 3300lbs, has a similar drag coefficient, and a higher top speed.

Also, isn't this the very argument that you seemed to be unable to maintain in a mature manner thus causing you to get banned multiple times? A wise man in your position would have shut his mouth long ago. Sticking to your guns regardless of insurmountable evidence to the contrary is not admirable, it is foolish.

BTW, there is no confirmed video of the C6Z. That's why I find it so ironic that you can complain about the GTR's time when GM has failed to release a vid for the C6Z

You are a dummy. Nissan will not void the warranty if it is used...PERIOD For the 10th time....If the something where to happen as the result of abuse or neglect, they have the right to deny warranty. Did you not read the quote I showed you. Go on the GTR forums.
If LC is used it is logged in the computer. If the transmission breaks, the computer will be checked and LC will show up. The warranty will be voided. I don't know how much more simple that can get. LC = void warranty.



The fact that you do not believe the 7:29 claim does not make it false.

The only people that actually believe the time are the blind fanboy idiots.
The fact is NO ONE has come even remotely close to that time, the GTR has ran a best of 7:50 without a Nissan official behind the wheel.
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=1&tID=145737
That same driver piloted a C6 Z06 to 7:49, which is much closer to the claimed 7:42 time it ran with Jan behind the wheel.


The fact that not one Z06, 911 or Viper (minus ACR) has beat a GTR around any course that the magazines have provided says it will run those times!

The fact that the GTR is beating these cars by fractions of a second only further proves its time was either not stock, or completely made up.


Anyways, where are the vids of the C6Z ringtime for the 100th time? GM claimed it ran a 7:42 yet knowone has ever seem it? When you find that particular vid, then you can speak of the GTR.

http://www.janmagnussen.com/news.asp?NewsID=1124386515
Translation:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f64/z06-gets-huge-air-nurburgring-must-see-85041/#post939436

If LC is used it is logged in the computer. If the transmission breaks, the computer will be checked and LC will show up. The warranty will be voided. I don't know how much more simple that can get. LC = void warranty.



The only people that actually believe the time are the blind fanboy idiots.
The fact is NO ONE has come even remotely close to that time, the GTR has ran a best of 7:50 without a Nissan official behind the wheel.
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=1&tID=145737
That same driver piloted a C6 Z06 to 7:49, which is much closer to the claimed 7:42 time it ran with Jan behind the wheel.


The fact that the GTR is beating these cars by fractions of a second only further proves its time was either not stock, or completely made up.


http://www.janmagnussen.com/news.asp?NewsID=1124386515
Translation:
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f64/z06-gets-huge-air-nurburgring-must-see-85041/#post939436

I'm telling you, it will not void the warranty if its not abused. I know 3 people with him and I'm on the forums.

The 7:50 time was ran on a damp track while being a "Fahrsicherheit"(I'll let you find out what that word means). I will go ahead and tell you. It means they where not driving the car at its fullest, but getting a feel for the car. Find your own translation:

http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/fahrberichte/hxcms_article_508540_14469.hbs

I'm telling you, it will not void the warranty if its not abused. I know 3 people with him and I'm on the forums.

The 7:50 time was ran on a damp track while being a "Fahrsicherheit"(I'll let you find out what that word means). I will go ahead and tell you. It means they where not driving the car at its fullest, but getting a feel for the car. Find your own translation:

http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_U_technik/fahrberichte/hxcms_article_508540_14469.hbs

"A time less than 7:40 is pretty much optimistic, 7:50 shows the true potential of the car."

The ZR1 has a drag coefficient of 0.286 with less frontal area than the GTR. The GTR has a drag coefficient of 0.27. It's a non-factor in this discussion. The faster shifting times are negligible as well. The total amount of time spent shifting in the ZR1 is probably around .75 seconds (I think there were 3 shifts), the GTR probably spent a total of .6 seconds shifting (3 shifts at .2 seconds each). Like I said, shift speed was a non-factor. The fact is that a supposed "500"hp 3800lb car kept up with a 638hp 3300lb car in a straight line. Not happening. The shift speed, drag coefficient, traction, and tires are non-factors in this example.

"A time less than 7:40 is pretty much optimistic, 7:50 shows the true potential of the car."

IS that concrete (optimistic)? Furthermore, did he drive around the ring for 4-5 months in the GTR perfecting every angle, curve and straight as Suezak did in the GTR. You can't compare a couple of laps to 4-5 months :eyes:

The ZR1 has a drag coefficient of 0.286 with less frontal area than the GTR. The GTR has a drag coefficient of 0.27. It's a non-factor in this discussion. The faster shifting times are negligible as well. The total amount of time spent shifting in the ZR1 is probably around .75 seconds (I think there were 3 shifts), the GTR probably spent a total of .6 seconds shifting (3 shifts at .2 seconds each). Like I said, shift speed was a non-factor. The fact is that a supposed "500"hp 3800lb car kept up with a 638hp 3300lb car in a straight line. Not happening. The shift speed, drag coefficient, traction, and tires are non-factors in this example.

The ZR1 has less power and more weight than the Koeniggisig(sp) CCX and it lapped faster than it. Where's your arguement?

IS that concrete (optimistic)? Furthermore, did he drive around the ring for 4-5 months in the GTR perfecting every angle, curve and straight as Suezak did in the GTR. You can't compare a couple of laps to 4-5 months :eyes:

A 3800lbs car with 500hp and street runflat tires did not run 7:29 at the Nurburgring.

$173,061 USD, ouch.Holy shit.

A 3800lbs car with 500hp and street runflat tires did not run 7:29 at the Nurburgring.

The difference in weight between the GTR and ZR1 is closer than that on the ZR1 and Koenigsig(sp), yet it beat it.

IS that concrete (optimistic)? Furthermore, did he drive around the ring for 4-5 months in the GTR perfecting every angle, curve and straight as Suezak did in the GTR. You can't compare a couple of laps to 4-5 months :eyes:
I highly doubt it was their first time on the Ring. I'm sure they're familiar with the track. You have to be to be able to blitz it at all. And you can only squeeze so much out of each corner. It's not like I can take my car to a track and take a half a second off each corner every time I run. I'll eventually hit a point where I'm hitting a corner as perfectly as I can possibly hit it and no further improvements on time can be made.

Here's a good example for you that should illustrate the concept. Top Gear had Louis Hamilton on their show to drive a car around their track. He had a couple practice runs, then ran the track in 1:44.7. The Stig, who's run that track more than anyone ever, ran a 1.44.4. Same car. You can only squeeze so much out of a car.

The difference in weight between the GTR and ZR1 is closer than that on the ZR1 and Koenigsig(sp), yet it beat it.
You're missing my argument. I'm not arguing the total lap time. Shift speed, traction, and tires play a very large role in that. What I'm talking about is the BACK STRAIGHT. Straight line. That's it. Your "500"hp 3800lb car is not keeping up with a 638hp 3300lb car in a straight line.

As for your Koenigsegg argument, it likely had no rear spoiler (like it initially did on Top Gear), which would severely hurt its traction and thus its cornering ability, and in turn, its total lap time. But I'm willing to bet money that the Koenigsegg would beat the piss out of the ZR1 on that back straight.

I highly doubt it was their first time on the Ring. I'm sure they're familiar with the track. You have to be to be able to blitz it at all. And you can only squeeze so much out of each corner. It's not like I can take my car to a track and take a half a second off each corner every time I run. I'll eventually hit a point where I'm hitting a corner as perfectly as I can possibly hit it and no further improvements on time can be made.

Here's a good example for you that should illustrate the concept. Top Gear had Louis Hamilton on their show to drive a car around their track. He had a couple practice runs, then ran the track in 1:44.7. The Stig, who's run that track more than anyone ever, ran a 1.44.4. Same car. You can only squeeze so much out of a car.

Ranger ran a 10.9 in a C6Z. I've never driven one, but I can tell you that it wouldn't be close to that time. More likely a 12.xxxxx, like many novice drivers in their cars. Now, if we took Ranger who is familiar with a C6 and me and ran both at the ring, it would be a slaughter. Point is, you have to be familiar with the car, to feel comfortable to take it to the extreme.

The difference in weight between the GTR and ZR1 is closer than that on the ZR1 and Koenigsig(sp), yet it beat it.

The Koensignnisisnsnggeesgsssn is way too overpowerd for the n-ring. I'm guessing the car also has no drivers aids or ABS. Would you like to be piloting a 800+hp 2800lbs car with street tires around the toughest race track in the world without a safety net?

The Koensignnisisnsnggeesgsssn is way too overpowerd for the n-ring. I'm guessing the car also has no drivers aids or ABS. Would you like to be piloting a 800+hp 2800lbs car with street tires around the toughest race track in the world without a safety net?

First the GTR is to heavy(which helps in stability in high speeds) now this car is to light. I'm not sure if it has abs or any drivers aid.

First the GTR is to heavy(which helps in stability in high speeds) now this car is to light. I'm not sure if it has abs or any drivers aid.

Weight hurts high speed stability when cornering (ask Newton). In a strait line on a perfectly flat road, sure it helps, anywhere else, no.
And the Kosensisnigns doesn't have any drivers aids or T/C, or ABS (and apparently not enough downforce). Its not too light, its too powerful.

$173,061 USD, ouch.

May or may not cost less here. I believe we do pay less for the GT-R than the Japanese do. We pretty much pay less for every globally sold car than everyone else does.

I believe the gtr's 'ring time, not because I think it is as fast as a zr1, but because the zr1 was not run to its full potential. GM left some on the table in anticipation of cars like the v-spec (straight from tom wallace's mouth). This was probably a bad move though because it looks like GM will not be in a position to go back to the ring anytime soon. In addition it appears that nissan spent more time at the 'ring perfecting their time with the gtr than all other cars on the top twenty list put together.

The ZR1 has a drag coefficient of 0.286 with less frontal area than the GTR. The GTR has a drag coefficient of 0.27. It's a non-factor in this discussion. The faster shifting times are negligible as well. The total amount of time spent shifting in the ZR1 is probably around .75 seconds (I think there were 3 shifts), the GTR probably spent a total of .6 seconds shifting (3 shifts at .2 seconds each). Like I said, shift speed was a non-factor. The fact is that a supposed "500"hp 3800lb car kept up with a 638hp 3300lb car in a straight line. Not happening. The shift speed, drag coefficient, traction, and tires are non-factors in this example.

Where'd you get that drag coefficient for the ZR1 from? I believe it is much higher.

I believe the gtr's 'ring time, not because I think it is as fast as a zr1, but because the zr1 was not run to its full potential. GM left some on the table in anticipation of cars like the v-spec (straight from tom wallace's mouth). This was probably a bad move though because it looks like GM will not be in a position to go back to the ring anytime soon. In addition it appears that nissan spent more time at the 'ring perfecting their time with the gtr than all other cars on the top twenty list put together.

Nice reply and totally agree

Ranger ran a 10.9 in a C6Z. I've never driven one, but I can tell you that it wouldn't be close to that time. More likely a 12.xxxxx, like many novice drivers in their cars. Now, if we took Ranger who is familiar with a C6 and me and ran both at the ring, it would be a slaughter. Point is, you have to be familiar with the car, to feel comfortable to take it to the extreme.

Are you implying that Nissan picked a driver that has never driven a GTR before? Please...

The Nissan driver might not have had a billion times around the track. But in this case several thousand are still good.

The GTR reports are so different that it makes sense for people to doubt the time.

Also video's dont prove that car is stock so people doubts are still their.

ACR smoked them both so who cares.

Who knows maybe their lying as well,since I don't have photographs of the engine,suspension etc when it was being driven:eyes:

Beautiful POS, I never liked them before now. . DAMN YOU JAPANESE NISSAN WORKERS!

WHy does everyone harp over the GTR's 'Ring time still? The car (standard GTR) has already proven itself on various, different-styled road courses by several independent testers. It was ALWAYS faster than the Z06... Only the ACR beat it on all tracks/tests, and the 911 GT2 beat in a select few. OF COURSE, it's no ZR-1... Does that even need to be said?

Once again, this, new GTR Spec V is being bashed for the most nit-picking, petty arguments... There's no criticizing its performance yet... The car has not been independently tested yet has it? It may be really slow, it may be really fast, don't speculate TOO hard, maybe just a little... And forget the 'Ring, lol... Those were probably phony (skewed in some way, NOT FAKE lol)... The gap between Z06 and GTR are WAY too large IMO... That's what the independent tests & Porsche's assessment should have settled long ago... It's faster but not by that much (As Nissan would have you think). But at the same time, I can't believe there are still people with the blinders on thinking the C6Z can still take it on a track. lol Not happening... There is MORE than enough data now to know that.

You're un-American for thinking that :eyes:

:lol:

ya know whats good?

potatp chips. mmmm......barbeque.....:drool:

I like the GT-R, don't get me wrong. had a chance to drive one. But they are EXTREMELY heavy, and for the price of the Spec-V, you could get a ZR1 and easily get it past 1000hp. The GT-R is more for luxury IMO.

I like the GT-R, don't get me wrong. had a chance to drive one. But they are EXTREMELY heavy, and for the price of the Spec-V, you could get a ZR1 and easily get it past 1000hp. The GT-R is more for luxury IMO.

That's why the GTR is not a sports car like the ZR-1 is. :)

It's a GT like the M3, etc.

The Spec V is less of a GT (no back seats like the standard GTR), but it's still not true sports car... It's just a big GT with the rear seats taken out IMO.

You're un-American for thinking that :eyes:


lol, you jest, but you'd really be surprised how many people in this section really feel that way and would make that point without the sarcasm. lol

Exactly why I said it. You should check out some of the other threads in this section.

The GTR sucks. You are still hanging on to its initial unbelievable lap time.

The GTR sucks. You are still hanging on to its initial unbelievable lap time.

There goes all hopes of a legitimate discussion. :eyes:

There goes all hopes of a legitimate discussion. :eyes:

He lacks substance in every post he makes. You have to get use to it.

The gap between Z06 and GTR are WAY too large IMO...
But at the same time, I can't believe there are still people with the blinders on thinking the C6Z can still take it on a track. lol Not happening... There is MORE than enough data now to know that.On the stock/factory issued tires, you're probably right.
But on equal tires (meaning putting the sticky/much faster wearing GTR's tires on the Z06 or even putting the long wear, harder compound Corvette runflats on the GTR) the results would be different. It all depends on how much emphasis one wants to put on the freedom to be able to swap/equalize tires before testing/comparing vehicles.
But hey it is what is, this is what the manufacturers chose. One car comes with 5k-10k mile tires and the other comes with 20k-30k mile tires, doesn't take a genius to figure out which one already has a head start advantage before the cars are even fired up on a long winding road course.

lol, you jest, but you'd really be surprised how many people in this section really feel that way and would make that point without the sarcasm. lolExactly why I said it. You should check out some of the other threads in this section.Well, I see that the political science/global economist experts :eyes: have spoken LOL.
When it comes to what is and/or what is not 'American' :usa: I'll be sure to consult with you two first...and of course if you guys state it then it must in fact be true and undeniable. :lol: :jest:

On the stock/factory issued tires, you're probably right.
But on equal tires (meaning putting the sticky/much faster wearing GTR's tires on the Z06 or even putting the long wear, harder compound Corvette runflats on the GTR) the results would be different. It all depends on how much emphasis one wants to put on the freedom to be able to swap/equalize tires before testing/comparing vehicles.
But hey it is what is, this is what the manufacturers chose. One car comes with 5k-10k mile tires and the other comes with 20k-30k mile tires, doesn't take a genius to figure out which one already has a head start advantage before the cars are even fired up on a long winding road course.

The GTR comes with runflats as well. There's a 700lb difference in weight, so tires should me mute at this point.

The GTR comes with runflats as well.Yes, but also have a look at the compound differences and projected tread life of the each respective runflat.
Doesn't matter though, if it comes on the car then it's stock.




There's a 700lb difference in weight, so tires should me mute at this point.Good point.

Well, I see that the political science/global economist experts :eyes: have spoken LOL.
When it comes to what is and/or what is not 'American' :usa: I'll be sure to consult with you two first...and of course if you guys state it then it must in fact be true and undeniable. :lol: :jest:

And I say the same for your statements.

He lacks substance in every post he makes. You have to get use to it.

I just cut the bull and get down to the point.

On the stock/factory issued tires, you're probably right.
But on equal tires (meaning putting the sticky/much faster wearing GTR's tires on the Z06 or even putting the long wear, harder compound Corvette runflats on the GTR) the results would be different. It all depends on how much emphasis one wants to put on the freedom to be able to swap/equalize tires before testing/comparing vehicles.

Yeah, but...

But hey it is what is, this is what the manufacturers chose. One car comes with 5k-10k mile tires and the other comes with 20k-30k mile tires, doesn't take a genius to figure out which one already has a head start advantage before the cars are even fired up on a long winding road course.

Oh okay. :D

Faster is faster. Ain't it a bitch?

I just cut the bull and get down to the point.

Quoted for amusement value.

Yeah, but...

Oh okay. :D

Faster is faster. Ain't it a bitch?True.

But then again, tires do often get replaced pretty quickly too. ;)

True.

But then again, tires do often get replaced pretty quickly too. ;)

As do all mods... All cars can be modded. ;)

$175,000 U.S. dollars.Not worth it to me,still.

$175,000 U.S. dollars.Not worth it to me,still.

I don't think it will be this much. The currency is different in Japan. Secondly, even if it where, they are only making 20-30 a month so they should sell either way.

LS1 + 200 shot > GTR Spec V

Pocket about a Z06 and another 200 shot +

LS1 + 200 shot > GTR Spec V

Pocket about a Z06 and another 200 shot +

S2K + 200 shot > LS1

Pocket about an LS3 and another 200 shot

Th e big difference is if you can blow a trans on a Vette and the dealer will fix it under warranty. If you blow a trans on a GT-R the dealer tells you to go screw if you have EVER used launch control. The GT-R trans is rediculously expensive. Check the warranty its true. It was posted on here somewhere.

Th e big difference is if you can blow a trans on a Vette and the dealer will fix it under warranty. If you blow a trans on a GT-R the dealer tells you to go screw if you have EVER used launch control. The GT-R trans is rediculously expensive. Check the warranty its true. It was posted on here somewhere.

I suggest you go over to the Corvetteforum and see how many trans, rocker arm and engine failures that where not covered under warranty from GM:

Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.

GM came out with a service bulletin specifically covering the ZR1, but what is interesting is how they work it in with what they claim is existing GM policy:

"General Motors designed and produced the ZR1 be driven on the roads. While the car is capable of awesome displays of power and speed it was not designed to be "raced". All of the restrictions that are currently in place for all of GM’s products are in place on the ZR1 as well. There are several notations in the warranty booklets that explain that GM may deny warranty coverage if the vehicle or part has failed due to abuse, neglect, improper or insufficient maintenance or modifications not approved by GM. This includes common "upgrades" customers may make such as wheels, tires, suspension, brakes, air induction and engine calibrations. Please ensure this is covered with the owner when the vehicle is delivered. The ZR1 will perform well in a track environment; however, it was not designed, built or sold as a "track car." If an owner elects to use the car in such a manner, it is outside the intent of the warranty as supplied by General Motors and any damage as a result may not be covered by the GM warranty. Explaining this to a customer before the car is sold may prevent misunderstandings later."

In any event, how they can know that the blown engine was "a result" of an arguable racing activity is difficult to fathom if they haven't taken the engine apart to see why it failed.

This is the same warranty clause as the GTR. So your assumptions are wrong...... Next!

I suggest you go over to the Corvetteforum and see how many trans, rocker arm and engine failures that where not covered under warranty from GM:

This is the same warranty clause as the GTR. So your assumptions are wrong...... Next!

The difference is there are ones that are covered, unlike the GTR where you are SOL no matter what.

lol, Um guys, there is no more launch control... You cannot void your GTR's warranty any more that way. :bang:

I suggest you go over to the Corvetteforum and see how many trans, rocker arm and engine failures that where not covered under warranty from GM:





This is the same warranty clause as the GTR. So your assumptions are wrong...... Next!


Obviously if you go the dealer and you say "Yeah I was beating the piss out of it at the track and it broke" They are not going to cover it. Who the hell would cover it. No manufacturer is going to. But think about how many Vettes have been covered when they did fail. you found the few exceptions that were not covered. The GT-R warranty is Void WHEN you use launch control period.

I wonder if the Corvette had a black box like the GT-R to see when the car was abused, how many of those repairs would have been covered? Just to pose a question.

I don't think it will be this much. The currency is different in Japan. Secondly, even if it where, they are only making 20-30 a month so they should sell either way.

ummm, yeah, thats roughly the conversion of yen to u.s. dollars.get your facts straight BEFORE you post.

ummm, yeah, thats roughly the conversion of yen to u.s. dollars.get your facts straight BEFORE you post.

Yeah, like that's going to happen.

s2k + 200 shot > ls1

pocket about an ls3 and another 200 shot

ls1 > s2k

S2K + 200 shot > LS1

Sure from a 100 roll maybe :eyes:. Real races are won with torque i believe.

If you blow a trans on a GT-R the dealer tells you to go screw if you have EVER used launch control.

NOT TRUE. Only if the computer recorded a failure WHILE VDC was turned off...you can use launch control all you want in the GTR and then if you break your tranny a month later while VDC is on then your tranny is still covered...

The difference is there are ones that are covered, unlike the GTR where you are SOL no matter what.

Not true. The transmission is covered under warranty just like any other new car. Only difference is Nissan knows when you beat the shit out of the tranny and they won't cover it IF it breaks while you were abusing it.

lol, Um guys, there is no more launch control... You cannot void your GTR's warranty any more that way. :bang:

It is not known yet if LC will be removed or not...most of the news reported were just rumors. I highly doubt they remove it.

Obviously if you go the dealer and you say "Yeah I was beating the piss out of it at the track and it broke" They are not going to cover it. Who the hell would cover it. No manufacturer is going to. But think about how many Vettes have been covered when they did fail. you found the few exceptions that were not covered. The GT-R warranty is Void WHEN you use launch control period.

No. The GT-R transmission warranty is void if it breaks WHEN VDC is turned off.

Sure from a 100 roll maybe :eyes:. Real races are won with torque i believe.

Ummm... An S2K with a 100 shot has enough torque to give an F-body LS1 a hard run...

Why would the S2K not race in its powerband? Do F1 drivers shift or launch at 5k rpm or ever even SEE 5k rpm? :bang:

It is not known yet if LC will be removed or not...most of the news reported were just rumors. I highly doubt they remove it.

The article I read, IIRC, cited a Nissan executive... He went on further that those who did buy the launch-year GTR's would have the added exclusivity and rarity of having the only GTRs ever produced with launch control. Why would he say that off or on the record in that much detail if that was something they might not do? Are you sure?

Sure from a 100 roll maybe :eyes:. Real races are won with torque i believe.

No. They are not.

Horsepower = acceleration. This is why the LT1 C4 Vettes are significantly faster then the L98 C4 Vettes....both weighed the same and had identical torque numbers but the LT1 made its torque at a higher RPM allowing MORE work(horsepower) to be done with the same amount of force.

The article I read, IIRC, cited a Nissan executive... He went on further that those who did buy the launch-year GTR's would have the added exclusivity and rarity of having the only GTRs ever produced with launch control. Why would he say that off or on the record in that much detail if that was something they might not do? Are you sure?

The article you read was a rumor...do some research.

"UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation. "- http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/nissan-drops-launch-control-from-2010-gt-r/

The article you read was a rumor...do some research.

"UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation. "- http://www.autoblog.com/2008/11/20/nissan-drops-launch-control-from-2010-gt-r/

Why would I do some research for that if I could just ask you? lol I knew you'd know for sure I trust ya.

I wonder if Inside Line flat-out lied or if Nissan tried to retract a prior statement by not acknowledging they ever said such a thing though they did?

Aside from the article, though no final decision has been made, is that something possibly on the horizon?

NOT TRUE. Only if the computer recorded a failure WHILE VDC was turned off...you can use launch control all you want in the GTR and then if you break your tranny a month later while VDC is on then your tranny is still covered...

Here it is This is from page 9 of the warranty manual FROM NISSAN.
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpubs/gtr/2009/2009_GTR_WIB.pdf


This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material

Here it is This is from page 9 of the warranty manual FROM NISSAN.
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpubs/gtr/2009/2009_GTR_WIB.pdf


This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material


Um yeah, they clearly state that they do not cover damages or failures RESULTING FROM operating the vehicle with "VDC off."

That means that if you turn it off, beat the car, and it breaks because of that, they will not cover the damage... Meaning they look at the black box, and at 7:45 PM the driver turned off VDC, did five launches, broke the tranny on the sixth at 8 PM, and then turned VDC back on at 8:10 PM, driving to the dealer the next morning. Yes, in this case they will not cover you I imagine.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you turn it off, beat the car, and then it doesn't break, they will not cover you a month later should damage occur driving around town hard doing some runs (with VDC on, though, of course)...

They will cover you because, regardless from what it resulted, it did NOT result from turning VDC off followed by tranny abuse.


That's how I interpret the manual.

Why would I do some research for that if I could just ask you? lol I knew you'd know for sure I trust ya.

I wonder if Inside Line flat-out lied or if Nissan tried to retract a prior statement by not acknowledging they ever said such a thing though they did?

Aside from the article, though no final decision has been made, is that something possibly on the horizon?


Possibly, but I think not. What I believe is that Nissan is just going to completely pretend like it does not exist much like how BMW did with their launch control in the E46 M3s. The E46 M3s came with launch control but it was never mentioned by BMW in any of the literature what so ever, this way they didn't have to cover all the clutch/tranny issues that came in with people who abused the feature. People seem to think Nissan's LC feature and lack of warranty coverage when something breaks while using it is something new....BMW did it years ago.

He lacks substance in every post he makes. You have to get use to it.

I happen to agree with his conclusion, but for completely different and personal reasons. His posts do have substance, unfortunately it's all substance he pulls from his ass.

Um yeah, they clearly state that they do not cover damages or failures RESULTING FROM operating the vehicle with "VDC off."

That means that if you turn it off, beat the car, and it breaks because of that, they will not cover the damage... Meaning they look at the black box, and at 7:45 PM the driver turned off VDC, did five launches, broke the tranny on the sixth at 8 PM, and then turned VDC back on at 8:10 PM, driving to the dealer the next morning. Yes, in this case they will not cover you I imagine.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN that if you turn it off, beat the car, and then it doesn't break, they will not cover you a month later should damage occur driving around town hard doing some runs (with VDC on, though, of course)...

They will cover you because, regardless from what it resulted, it did NOT result from turning VDC off followed by tranny abuse.


That's how I interpret the manual.

What stops the dealer from refusing it based on the idea that a problem was caused by the launches but didn't actually fail until a month later? We all know that a problem might not actually show up right away. I'm not saying they will do that, but they very well might.

I happen to agree with his conclusion, but for completely different and personal reasons. His posts do have substance, unfortunately it's all substance he pulls from his ass.

You're an idiot. I purposefully make statements without including a long argument behind them. They're elsewhere in the thread(s) and covered by many other people who have personally done the research. I'm simply agreeing with their conclusions.

What stops the dealer from refusing it based on the idea that a problem was caused by the launches but didn't actually fail until a month later? We all know that a problem might not actually show up right away. I'm not saying they will do that, but they very well might.

lol, that's why I said that's how I interpret the manual... Now how does the dealer interpret it? That is our question both...

BUT, it is an altogether faulty interpretation to say that once VDC has been turned off, the warranty on the car has been voided.

You're an idiot. I purposefully make statements without including a long argument behind them. They're elsewhere in the thread(s) and covered by many other people who have personally done the research. I'm simply agreeing with their conclusions.

I think that's the funniest thing I've read all day. :jest:

I think that's the funniest thing I've read all day. :jest:

lol. Just call me the peanut gallery...sometimes.

What stops the dealer from refusing it based on the idea that a problem was caused by the launches but didn't actually fail until a month later? We all know that a problem might not actually show up right away. I'm not saying they will do that, but they very well might.

Exactly what does the trans have a code for a chipped/cracked gear or something. I bet it doesnt. So how the hell will the dealer know when it happened if you drive it in. They will just blame it on the time you used the launch control and tell you too bad.

No. They are not.

Horsepower = acceleration. This is why the LT1 C4 Vettes are significantly faster then the L98 C4 Vettes....both weighed the same and had identical torque numbers but the LT1 made its torque at a higher RPM allowing MORE work(horsepower) to be done with the same amount of force.

Did not know that. Learned something new today.

Here it is This is from page 9 of the warranty manual FROM NISSAN.
http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpubs/gtr/2009/2009_GTR_WIB.pdf


This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Accident, theft, fi re, driving through water (including
engine water ingestion) or misuse, which includes, but
is not limited to, operation in violation of any applicable
law and racing of any sort whatsoever (Proper use is
outlined in your OWNER’S MANUAL).
■ Alteration, tampering or improper repair, including but
not limited to adding/replacing chips, reprogramming,
or attempting to reprogram, alter, or disconnect any
computer or control unit.
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).■ Installation of non-Nissan approved accessories or
components.■ Improper installation of any Nissan approved or
aftermarket accessory or component.
■ Glass breakage, unless resulting from defects in material

This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion resulting from:

Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control (VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual).

Looks clear to me! If damage is a result of operating with the VDC off, it's not covered. It does not read 'if VDC is turned off, warranty is voided'. Its a contract written in Nissan's favor...basically, Nissan reserves the right to interpret the black box reading. If any damage happens with the VDC off and then failure happens later, "this warranty does not cover".

Exactly what does the trans have a code for a chipped/cracked gear or something. I bet it doesnt. So how the hell will the dealer know when it happened if you drive it in. They will just blame it on the time you used the launch control and tell you too bad.That's a good point :nod:...it is still somewhat speculative of course but we all know what most service departments will attempt to say in a scenario such as that.

Oooooo I missed out on more fun topics that have never been covered before!!! :(

:jest:

Nice car, it will look great up on the lift getting a new tranny every month....

SO i didnt feel like reading 6 pages of 25PSI nut ridding the Nissan...

The ACR is still king on the ring, even with this version out.

SO i didnt feel like reading 6 pages of 25PSI nut ridding the Nissan...

The ACR is still king on the ring, even with this version out.

Nice to know I have a few nutriding fans. Keep up the good work. My nuts need a good tuggin.

SO i didnt feel like reading 6 pages of 25PSI nut ridding the Nissan...

The ACR is still king on the ring, even with this version out.

So true...so true.



American penis is so big. Japanese penis is so small....so small. LOL.

POS buy american and help the economy. zo6 is cheaper, faster and better on gas.

POS buy american and help the economy. zo6 is cheaper, faster and better on gas.

1) Z06 isn't cheaper than a regular GT-R, just the Spec-V
2) Z06 is faster in some contests, slower in others
3) I'm glad people with your mindset aren't in charge

3) I'm glad people with your mindset aren't in charge


Probably the only time I will agree with you.

1) Z06 isn't cheaper than a regular GT-R, just the Spec-V


Base 2009 GTR is $76,840, base 2009 Z06 is $74,775.

Base 2009 GTR is $76,840, base 2009 Z06 is $74,775.

Actually the GTR has gone up in price. Nissan up the MSRP by 7-10% I believe.

Has anyone seen the price drop of the 04-07 Vipers? You can pic up an 06 Viper with less than 40k miles for low 40's

Base 2009 GTR is $76,840, base 2009 Z06 is $74,775.

Hrmm, guess I need to read up on some new figures.

1) Z06 isn't cheaper than a regular GT-R, just the Spec-V
2) Z06 is faster in some contests, slower in others
3) I'm glad people with your mindset aren't in charge

you need to check out some of the videos on youtube. the Z06 is faster in a lot of areas and it's a whole lot easier to work on. imo it's a hell of a lot better car than that POS. fuck skylines. overpriced and over hype. we all know that on the street its all about speed and anyways the corvette z06 handles like a dream. like everyone said it is CHEAPER!!!!! it is FASTER!!!! and It has a lot of potential!!!!! let's see if it can hang with the ZR1!!! i think not!!!!:321:

He's just a quasi-fanboy.

you need to check out some of the videos on youtube. the Z06 is faster in a lot of areas and it's a whole lot easier to work on. imo it's a hell of a lot better car than that POS. fuck skylines. overpriced and over hype. we all know that on the street its all about speed and anyways the corvette z06 handles like a dream. like everyone said it is CHEAPER!!!!! it is FASTER!!!! and It has a lot of potential!!!!! let's see if it can hang with the ZR1!!! i think not!!!!:321:
"Hype" should have nothing to do with an intelligent person's opinion of a car. Like I said, the GT-R is a great car and so is the Z06. Each has it's strong points and weaknesses. And I don't know anybody that "only" has the money for one of them.
He's just a quasi-fanboy.

Whatever you say kid.

Hrmm, guess I need to read up on some new figures.

No you don't MSRP might be that high but I saw a brand new last year's model z06 for under 60 at a dealer.

Yeah new. Not used. Not demo'd. NEW.

Granted they might be trying to make room for new models (camaro) but still.

The invoice said like 72 something.

"Hype" should have nothing to do with an intelligent person's opinion of a car. Like I said, the GT-R is a great car and so is the Z06. Each has it's strong points and weaknesses. And I don't know anybody that "only" has the money for one of them..



So why are you even a member? you don't even own a gm? your defending a Jap car on a LS1 forum. sounds like you have some issues buddy. maybe you should be on the GAY-tech forums. go buy a gm and then come back and talk your smack. each has it's strong points and weaknesses..... i would like to hear your side of what the weaknesses of the corvette are.... do yourself a favor and let it go. the corvette is a REAL sports car, not some overpriced s13 with awd and a nice interior. you want luxury go buy a lexus. :violin:

First off, it doesn't matter what I drive. Have you ever even driven a Corvette? It's by no means the perfect car. When someone is unwilling to acknowledge shortcomings, it is a blatant sign of IGNORANCE. Calling the GT-R an "overpriced S13" is akin to calling the Z06 an overpriced Camaro.

First of all, nice choice of words-blatant...so that makes you a genius. the camaro/firebird has the engine and tranny up in the front as the C5 and up corvettes have the trans in the back to help out with the weight distrubution, so they are very different vehicles. i will have to agree that we will probuly never own a zr1 or a gtr. so we are going back and forth over some cars we will never have, but yes i have driven a corvette.... 5 corvettes (three being zo6's one having nos), 2 vipers (one 1994 with 20,000 miles and a 2008), porshe 911 turbo, 10 sec formula, mercedes sl600, sl500...blah blah. i work at a very respectful bodyshop and i am one of the managers so i drive all kinds of vehicles. IMO once again whether you like it or not i perferr the Z06 over the GTR. spend some time and read some articles. it's the best sports car all around____PERIOD. MPG, BRAKING, CORNERING, PRICING AND MOST IMPORTANT SPEED!!! am i the only one that has done the research on this??

Yes, you are the smartest man in the world and we all know bodyshop managers are the world authority on performance vehicles :eyes:. Whether YOU like it or not, there are some tracks/situations where the GT-R is faster than the Z06. There doesn't always have to be a "best"... I don't get some people. I would probably get the Z06 over the GT-R for the simple fact that it has a clutch pedal, but that doesn't mean I can't love the GT-R too.

First of all, nice choice of words-blatant...so that makes you a genius. the camaro/firebird has the engine and tranny up in the front as the C5 and up corvettes have the trans in the back to help out with the weight distrubution, so they are very different vehicles. i will have to agree that we will probuly never own a zr1 or a gtr. so we are going back and forth over some cars we will never have, but yes i have driven a corvette.... 5 corvettes (three being zo6's one having nos), 2 vipers (one 1994 with 20,000 miles and a 2008), porshe 911 turbo, 10 sec formula, mercedes sl600, sl500...blah blah. i work at a very respectful bodyshop and i am one of the managers so i drive all kinds of vehicles. IMO once again whether you like it or not i perferr the Z06 over the GTR. spend some time and read some articles. it's the best sports car all around____PERIOD. MPG, BRAKING, CORNERING, PRICING AND MOST IMPORTANT SPEED!!! am i the only one that has done the research on this??


I don't know what magazines you read, but:

Car&Driver
Sports Auto
Road&Track
Motortrend
Edmunds
Automotive Magazine
TopGear
OneLapAmerica(GTR placed higher than all N/A Z06's)

all rate the GTR over the Z06. There has not been one magazine test where a Z06 lapped faster than a GTR in.

First of all, nice choice of words-blatant...so that makes you a genius. the camaro/firebird has the engine and tranny up in the front as the C5 and up corvettes have the trans in the back to help out with the weight distrubution, so they are very different vehicles. i will have to agree that we will probuly never own a zr1 or a gtr. so we are going back and forth over some cars we will never have, but yes i have driven a corvette.... 5 corvettes (three being zo6's one having nos), 2 vipers (one 1994 with 20,000 miles and a 2008), porshe 911 turbo, 10 sec formula, mercedes sl600, sl500...blah blah. i work at a very respectful bodyshop and i am one of the managers so i drive all kinds of vehicles. IMO once again whether you like it or not i perferr the Z06 over the GTR. spend some time and read some articles. it's the best sports car all around____PERIOD. MPG, BRAKING, CORNERING, PRICING AND MOST IMPORTANT SPEED!!! am i the only one that has done the research on this??

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Nissan-GTR-R35-VS-Z06_195408.htm

This is like watching bugs fight in a big jar...

BANSAI!!!!


http://www.proudflag.com/yank/flag_sun.jpg

Just because the magazines say something doesn't mean anything.

"Hype" should have nothing to do with an intelligent person's opinion of a car. Like I said, the GT-R is a great car and so is the Z06. Each has it's strong points and weaknesses. And I don't know anybody that "only" has the money for one of them.


Whatever you say kid.

Kid? How old are you?

Just because the magazines say something doesn't mean anything.

Pot meet Kettle

Just because the magazines say something doesn't mean anything.

One Lap America, TopGear(are not magazines) and plenty independent test have confirmed this as well.

Kid? How old are you?

Older than I would gather you are from that post.

BANSAI!!!!

http://www.proudflag.com/yank/flag_sun.jpgThis great nation has come a long way in 70 years....or has it? :nono:



:usa: <----- This is still my flag though. :thumb: :nod:

POS buy american and help the economy. zo6 is cheaper, faster and better on gas.

Should we help an automaker that supposedly might night be in business? What if we purchase a brand new Z06 and GM files for chapter 11 or better yet gets bought out? What happens to the warranty? What happens to the already poor customer service? Here's whats already starting to happen as posted earlier in this thread:

Just for the record My engine blew while on track at a performance driving school and our friends at GM WILL NOT WARRANTY THE ENGINE REPLACEMENT. The warranty language states that they will not cover damage caused while racing or competetive driving. I was not involved in either situation. I was enrolled in a performance driving school that does not teach racing or allow any competition between students. GM refused to review my class enrollment documents, would not inspect my engine or go through its computer info to even find out why or what caused the engine failed. Many dealers told me that I would have been better off if I had lied add told them it happened on the highway. DO NOT TELL GM YOU WERE EVER ON A TRACK! good luck to all others that enjoy track time with their Z's. I understand that they are changing the dry sump to a larger capacity tank for the 09's. Im now considering a Lingenfelter built engine for my GM BLACKBALLED Z06.

25psi, I finally figured you out.

Your the guy that goes on the Chicago Bears message boards and always talks shit about the Bears...then you gloat about how the Packers are a better team.

So tell me, whats it like being that guy? There are plenty of boards that are better suited for yourself and irunelevens.

Im not saying you shouldnt post here, but you never contribute to anything other than saying gm doesnt do anything as good as the Japanese companies. So what is the point of you always bashing GM on a GM message board.

A. either you are a kid trying to stir shit up. (I dont think so)

B. You get paid by the board to stir shit up. (probably not....maybe though)

or

C. You truely are retarded. (see below)


And yes, a grown ass man going on to a message board to talk shit about the products and companies of said message board is fucking retarded.

So a simple equation tells us that if all grown ass men that go onto a message board just to talk shit to its members and products, equals that grown ass man is in fact retarded.

Therefore if 25psi is a grown ass man, and its a fact all he does is talk shit, what does that make him?

I never "stir shit up." I give my opinion, and usually back it up with fact. Do I love some GM products and LSx-powered vehicles? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean I have to like everything GM makes to the point where I can see no fault in anything they make. Or think that their vehicles are always the best in their respective classes. So I'll stay right here, thank you very much.

Should we help an automaker that supposedly might night be in business? What if we purchase a brand new Z06 and GM files for chapter 11 or better yet gets bought out? What happens to the warranty? What happens to the already poor customer service? Here's whats already starting to happen as posted earlier in this thread:

that would suck if GM put a button on the ZO6 that when you push it, it voids the warranty.........


:bang: :bang: :bang:

25psi, I finally figured you out.

Your the guy that goes on the Chicago Bears message boards and always talks shit about the Bears...then you gloat about how the Packers are a better team.

So tell me, whats it like being that guy? There are plenty of boards that are better suited for yourself and irunelevens.

Im not saying you shouldnt post here, but you never contribute to anything other than saying gm doesnt do anything as good as the Japanese companies. So what is the point of you always bashing GM on a GM message board.

A. either you are a kid trying to stir shit up. (I dont think so)

B. You get paid by the board to stir shit up. (probably not....maybe though)

or

C. You truely are retarded. (see below)


And yes, a grown ass man going on to a message board to talk shit about the products and companies of said message board is fucking retarded.

So a simple equation tells us that if all grown ass men that go onto a message board just to talk shit to its members and products, equals that grown ass man is in fact retarded.

Therefore if 25psi is a grown ass man, and its a fact all he does is talk shit, what does that make him?

Are you saying my questions aren't valid? If I'm in the market to purchase a 70k dollar vehicle and the company I'm purchasing from is on the verge of bankruptcy, I shouldn't be concerned about warranty?

Are you saying my questions aren't valid? If I'm in the market to purchase a 70k dollar vehicle and the company I'm purchasing from is on the verge of bankruptcy, I shouldn't be concerned about warranty?


Not chapter 11. Its not like gm is going to fold up and go away.

Nothing is wrong with questioning things you truely want more info from.

You however just constanly slam gm and or the other domestic companies, and then promote the import companies. You do it constantly in almost every thread you post in.

So my question to you is, if you like imports so much and dog domestics so much, why dont you post where you have something in common with 99% of the board, instead of talking shit?

You may not know it, but you are the one guy that goes on a sports forum just to talk shit about its team. Its annoying because we know everything you are going to say anytime you post a new thread or a reply.

Not chapter 11. Its not like gm is going to fold up and go away.

Nothing is wrong with questioning things you truely want more info from.

You however just constanly slam gm and or the other domestic companies, and then promote the import companies. You do it constantly in almost every thread you post in.

So my question to you is, if you like imports so much and dog domestics so much, why dont you post where you have something in common with 99% of the board, instead of talking shit?

You may not know it, but you are the one guy that goes on a sports forum just to talk shit about its team. Its annoying because we know everything you are going to say anytime you post a new thread or a reply.

Please show me where I bash GM? I've constantly said that the Z06 is the best bang for the buck car. I've also said that I would take a Viper or C6Z over a GTR.

Please show me where I bash GM? I've constantly said that the Z06 is the best bang for the buck car. I've also said that I would take a Viper or C6Z over a GTR.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Amber87pics/owl.jpg


I'm not brainwashed by anyone. The fact is, the Big 3 never produced anything I wanted or desired.

WHY POST HERE THEN?

Ready for some more nippon nut swinging?

Its gonna take a montage!!!


Montage!!

One Lap America, TopGear(are not magazines) and plenty independent test have confirmed this as well.

Toyota takes care of the problems that they have. GM give people the run around. And please show me where they're manipulating the public?

Do you want me to disclose the number of recalls GM and Ford have?.....I think not!

Why is it when magazines are Pro-American, they're praised. But let them speak highly of a Japanese/Korean car and all hell breaks loose?

In the latest test covering full size trucks, 3 magazines say the Tundra gets better gas mileage than Chevy.

How many rocker arms, engine failures and trans issues in the C6Z. I suggest you go over to the Corvetteforum and check em out.

13 camshaft broken out of 200k in the first year is less than the roofs that came off the Z06. I suggest you do a search, before bringing to light statistics you know nothing about.


Toodles,

I suggest you go over to the Corvetteforum and see how many trans, rocker arm and engine failures that where not covered under warranty from GM:

I'm talking about n/a vs n/a. Without the supercharger, the LS9 wouldn't make anywhere close to what a 7.0 liter dohc motor would make(c6z vs Dohc comparison). The Viper motor, although impressive, does not make the power it should with such as huge motor. Why do companies make dohc conversion for the lsx motors?

BTW, there is no confirmed video of the C6Z. That's why I find it so ironic that you can complain about the GTR's time when GM has failed to release a vid for the C6Z

Because the Big 3 aren't fighting for us

But the point is to provide American jobs! And this is where GM, Ford and Dodge are lacking by sending 1000's of jobs overseas! Furthermore, the money goes back to the shareholders.


You're given me instances of what very few Z06 owners have done. The average Z06 time is not 11.2 or 11.5, it's more in the lines of mid to low 12's.



Theres plenty more, but for all the time it takes to do this shit I would need some paypal donations...LOL.


Get the point 25psi?

If you have a problem with him, ignore him.

Lots of people here have problems with him. (should I list them?)

Its like me going to a ford website or a fucking honda site just posting vids of American cars beating their cars. Then telling them why GM is better. Why doesnt he just go where he will be wanted?

Ill tell you why, because he likes comming on here and being a jerkoff.

To be honest, I dont really understand why you post here so much either. You dont own nor did you or plan to own a lsx based vehicle and constantly praise imports too.

Im not saying you guys dont have as much right to post here as me, Im just saying its fucking stupid and doesnt make much sense.

To be honest, I dont really understand why you post here so much either. You dont own nor did you or plan to own a lsx based vehicle and constantly praise imports too.

Im not saying you guys dont have as much right to post here as me, Im just saying its fucking stupid and doesnt make much sense.

And that right there tells me you don't really pay attention to much that I post about. When I joined here I was looking to buy an LS1 WS6 or LS2 GTO. Just didn't work out. And my next car will (if at all possible) be either an LT4 C4 or an LS1 C5. And I don't "constantly praise imports," but I will go toe-to-toe with anybody that swears that "domestics are the best and imports suck."

And that right there tells me you don't really pay attention to much that I post about. When I joined here I was looking to buy an LS1 WS6 or LS2 GTO. Just didn't work out. And my next car will (if at all possible) be either an LT4 C4 or an LS1 C5. And I don't "constantly praise imports," but I will go toe-to-toe with anybody that swears that "domestics are the best and imports suck."


Maybe I miss some posts from you, but good on you if you want to buy an lsx based vehicle sometime.

I mean even if you didnt, but didnt always say well (not saying this is all you do....just an example of shit I dont understand that mostly 25psi does) this car just beat a h/c ws6 and its just a stock block turbo honda...yada yada yada.

If you truely have somewhat of an intrest in these cars thats fine.

I just could never understand the sports guy that wastes his time going on other teams sites to tell them how much better his team is...or will be next year, or was last year. Thats 25psi to a T.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/Amber87pics/owl.jpg



WHY POST HERE THEN?

Ready for some more nippon nut swinging?

Its gonna take a montage!!!


Montage!!


























Theres plenty more, but for all the time it takes to do this shit I would need some paypal donations...LOL.


Get the point 25psi?

You're qouting without taking into account what transpired before hand. You can take anything out of text if you only post a portion of it.

And that right there tells me you don't really pay attention to much that I post about. When I joined here I was looking to buy an LS1 WS6 or LS2 GTO. Just didn't work out. And my next car will (if at all possible) be either an LT4 C4 or an LS1 C5. And I don't "constantly praise imports," but I will go toe-to-toe with anybody that swears that "domestics are the best and imports suck."

I wonder why he didn't quote the cars/trucks that I've owned and currently own. I guess a Tahoe, Beretta, F150 and Ford 350 dually do not count then.

You said post where you bash GM idiot. I did what you told me to. I could continue if you would like. I would be willing to bet that your pro import to non domestic bashing postings would be about 35:1.

What transpired before hand is irrelevent. Its not like you said " Man I love GM, but if I were to play devils advocate I would say "The fact is, the Big 3 never produced anything I wanted or desired."

You said that shit on your own.

You said post where you bash GM idiot. I did what you told me to. I could continue if you would like. I would be willing to bet that your pro import to non domestic bashing postings would be about 35:1.

What transpired before hand is irrelevent. Its not like you said " Man I love GM, but if I were to play devils advocate I would say "The fact is, the Big 3 never produced anything I wanted or desired."

You said that shit on your own.

No, if someone said "Fuck the GTR, its a piece of shit Jap crap". I in return respond with: "it's no different that a Z06 with a roof flying off". That is in no way condescending towards GM. That is a parallel comparison being made. So yes, you would need to take into account what is being posted previously.

You throw in comments like that anytime anyone says anything negative about a japanese company.

So what if someone says the gtr is a piece of shit. Tell them why its not.

Anyways I know your a import nut swinger. Everyone knows but you. Your like the guy that wacks off to gay porn but denies being gay (Braincandy reference).

Its okay to come out of the closet.

You throw in comments like that anytime anyone says anything negative about a japanese company.

So what if someone says the gtr is a piece of shit. Tell them why its not.

Anyways I know your a import nut swinger. Everyone knows but you. Your like the guy that wacks off to gay porn but denies being gay (Braincandy reference).

Its okay to come out of the closet.

Ha, great post!:chug:

Older than I would gather you are from that post.

So, you're denying being a fanboy to any degree?

Do I believe that some cars are inherently made better than others? Absolutely. But I'm not a "fanboy" by ANY means. I've owned two Fords, a Honda, an Acura, and a Nissan. But like I said, some of my favorite cars are made by GM.

Should we help an automaker that supposedly might night be in business?I don't know...

Should we not help a child who is very ill?
Should we not fix the roof in our home when it's leaking water?
Should we not support our military even if they're losing a battle during war?
Should we not attempt to suppress/subdue an intruder when he/she comes into our home and threatens our family's safety/security?

You tell me.

Lots of people here have problems with him. (should I list them?)

Its like me going to a ford website or a fucking honda site just posting vids of American cars beating their cars. Then telling them why GM is better. Why doesnt he just go where he will be wanted?

Ill tell you why, because he likes comming on here and being a jerkoff.

To be honest, I dont really understand why you post here so much either. You dont own nor did you or plan to own a lsx based vehicle and constantly praise imports too.

Im not saying you guys dont have as much right to post here as me, Im just saying its fucking stupid and doesnt make much sense.I kinda have to agree with ya on this one. :nod:

I don't know...

Should we not help a child who is very ill?
Should we not fix the roof in our home when it's leaking water?
Should we not support our military even if they're losing a battle during war?
Should we not attempt to suppress/subdue an intruder when he/she comes into our home and threatens our family's safety/security?

You tell me.

You take things a bit too far. Constantly. I wonder how many of GM's employees are educated enough to get a job that pays them nearly as well as their UAW jobs do if GM goes under. Because yes it would be a tragedy for all those people to be unemployed, but didn't anyone elses parents/grandparents ever tell them, "Don't put all your eggs in one basket?" Why did anyone think it was a good idea for that many people to be employed by ONE company?

What was this thread about again?













O yeah, V-Spec GTR. Sounds a bit overpriced but I'm sure the changes will make a hell of a difference around the track.

I don't know...

Should we not help a child who is very ill?
Should we not fix the roof in our home when it's leaking water?
Should we not support our military even if they're losing a battle during war?
Should we not attempt to suppress/subdue an intruder when he/she comes into our home and threatens our family's safety/security?

You tell me.

We have social progrmans to take care of sick children.

Are you suggesting we need social programs to run our capitalist businesses?

If so then I think you might be suited to live elsewhere.

I'm sorry but I agree that the GTR's Launch Control and Nurburgring time are more or less BS and I actually like Nissan (as well as other car manufacturers) as much as GM products.

If you look at the GTR's laptimes from an unbiased POV then you do see something wrong.

On the tricky short courses (leguna Seca, Anglesey National, Willow Springs) the GTR always edges out the C6 Z06, but only by a fraction of a second...

I don't see how that could translate into a 13 second time gap on the nordschleife, where there are as many long straits as there are tricky chicanes and tight hairpins...



As for the GTR's Launch Control, this vid is a favorite of mine:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOAXJTTc__w

BTW, I hear that Nissan has removed the launch feature on their newest batch of GTRs

I'm sorry but I agree that the GTR's Launch Control and Nurburgring time are more or less BS and I actually like Nissan (as well as other car manufacturers) as much as GM products.

If you look at the GTR's laptimes from an unbiased POV then you do see something wrong.

On the tricky short courses (leguna Seca, Anglesey National, Willow Springs) the GTR always edges out the C6 Z06, but only by a fraction of a second...

I don't see how that could translate into a 13 second time gap on the nordschleife, where there are as many long straits as there are tricky chicanes and tight hairpins...



As for the GTR's Launch Control, this vid is a favorite of mine:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOAXJTTc__w

BTW, I hear that Nissan has removed the launch feature on their newest batch of GTRs


The lap time was originally 7:38, or just 2 seconds quicker then the Z06 time. After months of hot lapping Toshio Suzuki who is an extremely well qualified pro driver was able to bring it down to the 7:29 it now sits at.

And Nissan did not remove LC on the 09 GTRs, they revised it. LC is now even more effective and less wear on the gears....more reliable and faster now :D

You make it sound like Jan is some ape smashing bananas into the Corvette steering wheel. Seriously. The 7:29 time is pure and unadulterated bullshit.

In general, almost any time at the Nurburgring could be improved dramatically. Since the track is so big, even the weather varies from one end to the other. So I don't really find it unbelievable that a professional driver could find an extra 9 seconds on a 12 mile track over the course of several months worth of testing.

How often does weather vary in about a 6 mile radius? Honestly.

However, I guess you could knock 9 seconds off the lap time over 3 months just by learning the course and the car better.

If you read up on the track you'll see that it's often perfectly clear on one part of the track, foggy on another part, and raining on another. I mean, we are talking about the mountains of Germany here.

In general, almost any time at the Nurburgring could be improved dramatically. Since the track is so big, even the weather varies from one end to the other. So I don't really find it unbelievable that a professional driver could find an extra 9 seconds on a 12 mile track over the course of several months worth of testing.

While I agree with this statement here, your not going to knock 9 seconds off the already hard to believe 7:38 time for a 3800lbs car with a claimed <500hp, and runflat tires.

While I agree with this statement here, your not going to knock 9 seconds off the already hard to believe 7:38 time for a 3800lbs car with a claimed <500hp, and runflat tires.

I've never driven a C6Z before, so I'm assuming I wouldn't run nearly the time Ranger has. I would bet I could muster a mid 12 or possible better on my first couple of tries. The difference between me and Ranger is 1.5 seconds on a 1/4 mile track. So you're telling me on a 12 mile track, 9 sec. isn't possible after 6 months of testing?

I've never driven a C6Z before, so I'm assuming I wouldn't run nearly the time Ranger has. I would bet I could muster a mid 12 or possible better on my first couple of tries. The difference between me and Ranger is 1.5 seconds on a 1/4 mile track. So you're telling me on a 12 mile track, 9 sec. isn't possible after 6 months of testing?

Its possible in the same sense that it would be possible for a bone stock GTR to run 9s in the 1/4 mile because someone has been testing it on that track for 6 months.

You can only get so much out of a car. There's a point where you'll start reaching diminished returns, and another point where you won't be able to get anything else out of it. At 7:38 for a 3800lb, 480hp car, you're pretty damn close to the point of diminished returns. You're not going to be picking up 9 seconds without a boost in power.

You and I have had this discussion multiple times, and you continually ignore the video clip of the back straight when run side-by-side with the ZR-1 video. The GTR goes into the back straight about 4-5 seconds behind, and comes out of the back straight 4-5 seconds behind. I don't know what you're smoking that makes you think a 3800lb 480hp car can keep up with a 3300lb 638hp car in a straight line. Go look it up. I've posted it about 7 times already. Like I said before, the claim of a 7:29 lap in stock trim is pure and unadulterated bullshit.

double post FTL!

Also, that 2nd paragraph was directed at 25psi.

Whhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Are we having fun yet??
FACTS = ZR1>GTR>Z06 and we don't know where the Vspec will fin in yet...

Irunelevens has as much right to be here and voice his opinion than those of us with GM vehicles. especially since he doesn't have his head up the General's ass like most people on here.