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Often here, I read comments about GM not doing anything. Production on the new Camaro is delayed again, followed by more pissing and moaning. I bought a BMW or somethng else because there was NO CAMARO. Yet often, when they do something it goes over many folks heads. There will always be a future in the auto industry. Many of you just haven't learned to wait.

That V6 coming in the new Camaro has a history. Does anyone know it?

In 1999 who besides GM were thinking about a whole new engine? A V6 engine? In 1999 who worried about gas prices? In 1999 GM was already thinking about stopping production on the F-Body. In 1999 who ran GM? In 1999 what were you doing?

One of GM's goals was to build this engine at a lower cost than the Honda/Acura 3.2 and Toyota/Lexus 3.0. All Honda and Toyota have done to their V6's since 1999 is make them bigger.

The first application in 2004 a RWD CTS. Yep, I said RWD and 2004. GM says they can get 370 hp. out of this engine. 90% of the torque is delivered between 1600 to 5800 RPM. This isn't a race engine, it's a street engine. This 3.6 engine can be expanded to 3.8 or 4.0. One other bit on information for all you race engine builders. Both the intake and exhaust adjust 50 degrees. Can your race car do that?

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?:chug:

:angel: Jakes Dad

to answer the last question that would be kinda cool, but not wat an SS should be. should be v8 or bigger

to answer the last question that would be kinda cool, but not wat an SS should be. should be v8 or bigger

This is mainly because we are accustomed to large displacement engines. As the saying goes, "no replacement for displacement." But times are changing. There are already rumors of the C7 coming with a V6 engine - this engine, to be exact. From what I've read, it is extremely versatile, as a lot of research money has been directed into the project.

It will be definitely be an adjustment, calling a V6 a "big engine," but that day will probably be coming. Just look back at the advancement in engines. Who would ever have thought that a V6, or even a 4-banger would produce more power/torque than a V8? Obviously, it is not fair, technology-wise, to compare the V6s of today to the V8s of years past, but who would have thought we'd see 300+ hp out of an N/A V6?

In all honesty, after the whole adjustment period, I think I could be content driving a near-400hp V6 Camaro/Corvette. As long as it is efficient, reliable power in a decently designed car, I'll drive it.

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?:chug:

:angel: Jakes Dad
I for one would not. One thing we really don't need is more unnecessary weight over the front engine with a higher cost and lower MPG.
The LY7 is a claimed 370lbs dry, while the LSx's are only 20lbs heavier at 390lbs dry. Add a supercharger, the necessary piping and cooling and you get a measly 400hp from an engine well over the weight of the more powerful LS3, and most likely at a higher cost. No thanks. Ill stick with the lighter, smaller, cheaper, more powerful LS3...

I like a big V-8. If I wanted a turbo six I would buy a 135i.

W

In 1999 what were you doing?

I was buying my first LS1 car, a brand new '99 Z28.

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?

Not me.

Camaro's top trim should offer a V8. End of story. If it doesn't, I'll just keep buying older Camaros and restore them. :)

^^^^ DING DING DING. if it doesn't have a V8(Can't Beat that sound:D) then i don't want it in that type of car. I'd buy an impala if i wanted that.

As long as its RWD and goes like stink I'd drive it. :) 4-6-8 whatever.

The only thing I'll agree on is the sound. I love the sound of a nice v8.

Often here, I read comments about GM not doing anything. Production on the new Camaro is delayed again, followed by more pissing and moaning. I bought a BMW or somethng else because there was NO CAMARO. Yet often, when they do something it goes over many folks heads. There will always be a future in the auto industry. Many of you just haven't learned to wait.

That V6 coming in the new Camaro has a history. Does anyone know it?

In 1999 who besides GM were thinking about a whole new engine? A V6 engine? In 1999 who worried about gas prices? In 1999 GM was already thinking about stopping production on the F-Body. In 1999 who ran GM? In 1999 what were you doing?

One of GM's goals was to build this engine at a lower cost than the Honda/Acura 3.2 and Toyota/Lexus 3.0. All Honda and Toyota have done to their V6's since 1999 is make them bigger.

The first application in 2004 a RWD CTS. Yep, I said RWD and 2004. GM says they can get 370 hp. out of this engine. 90% of the torque is delivered between 1600 to 5800 RPM. This isn't a race engine, it's a street engine. This 3.6 engine can be expanded to 3.8 or 4.0. One other bit on information for all you race engine builders. Both the intake and exhaust adjust 50 degrees. Can your race car do that?

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?Yes. :nod:

:cheers: :cool:

I was buying my first LS1 car, a brand new '99 Z28.Me too, ordered my 2000 in November of 1999. :nod: :burn:

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?


No. The V8 is the heart, soul and soundtrack of these cars. No V6 will ever replace that and without a V8 it isn't a Camaro.

... why the hell would an ss have a damn v6?

i wouldnt care if it was a 500hp z28 model with the turbo v6 i still wouldnt want a v6

Pass.

V8 or bust.

We might soon be the old dinosaurs of the past.

So, if GM built a Camaro SS with a 4.0L supercharged V6 and over 400 hp., would any of you be happy?:chug:

:angel: Jakes Dad

I think it would be cool as hell to have a whole nother car with a 4.0l v6 with over 400hp. It could compete directly with import sports cars, it would blow the new v6 eclipse out of the water, why change something great when you can make something else that's great. Time to jump to the forefront instead of working backwards and changing what already works. Leave the v8's in the camaro's alone, they work and work amazingly the hp they are cranking out stock, start another trend, make a new badass sports car to compete with those imports that don't have v8's (preferably without the bland styling of the cobalt, no offense to the owners but c'mon).

We might soon be the old dinosaurs of the past.

We already are.

I like a big V-8. If I wanted a turbo six I would buy a 135i.

W

Too bad GM can't build one (135i)... I WANT a turbo 6!.

Bang for the buck it'll take a badass v8 when modded.

Nice comments.

I also like the sound of a V8 but realize the auto industry needs to change.

GM could sell every 55 - 57 Chevy if they made it. Even with a 265 or 283.

They could sell every AWD V6 turbo truck if they made that also.

And they could sell every N body V6 turbo Grand National, if they made that.

No arguement, big engines are nice but being in the auto industry I saw how quickly they died when gas went above $3.00. It will happen again.

I think we need to keep our minds open for change. We gear heads are a very small dot in the market. Few of us get to go through life with the throttle wide open all the time. It's not bad to have a what if plan..:D

:angel: Jakes Dad

I think we need to keep our minds open for change.

Why? Life is too short to "learn" to like something. There are always other options. What options, you ask? Read on.....

It's not bad to have a what if plan..:D

My "what if" plan is to restore/repair older cars that I already own or can buy, if there is nothing new on the market that I actually like. This is also my answer to the "options" comment above.

As long as we can buy gas, we can keep our older V8s on the road. And gas won't be gone in my lifetime. Gasoline will still be available for at least 20-30 years after the last gas powered car is built....and we're not yet anywhere near seeing the last gas powered car being built. I don't see myself living long enough to see an end to gasoline.

I also like the sound of a V8 but realize the auto industry needs to change.

No arguement, big engines are nice but being in the auto industry I saw how quickly they died when gas went above $3.00. It will happen again.

I think we need to keep our minds open for change. We gear heads are a very small dot in the market. Few of us get to go through life with the throttle wide open all the time. It's not bad to have a what if plan..:D

:angel: Jakes Dad
Yes, but look at the technology and the V8 cars today compared to the 60s and 70s when the "big V8" died out. Compared to other performance cars, V8 performance cars are getting as good if not better gas mileage than 6 and 4 cylinder performance cars of the same class (while being cheaper to work on and mod).
Weight (most importantly), gearing and aerodynamics will drastically change before the V8 dies out again.

I'll be looking into the DI V6 for my f-body when I get the chance and a little more support hits the market. That motor has shown pretty impressive gains from just exhaust. I will be force feeding that thing as well.

It might be considered as "over engineered" by some engine builders, but what would you expect out of a low displacement V6 putting out the power it does already?

GM did the Turbo 6 w/ the old TTA's and some people don't like the idea of a V6 being the top level motor. I'd love a car from the factory that is built for boost. Helps get rid of some of the nightmares of converting an NA to FI...

Just to give you a reality check, GM is working on this in some of their other platforms, offering a smaller displacement turbocharged (higher output) motor for their upscale packages.

GM did the Turbo 6 w/ the old TTA's and some people don't like the idea of a V6 being the top level motor. I'd love a car from the factory that is built for boost. Helps get rid of some of the nightmares of converting an NA to FI...


Nothing wrong with a boosted factory motor. But there is no reason why they shouldn't just boost a V8. Leave the V6 for the family men.

Well they've just recently starting boosting their V8's for coupes/saloons as seen in the new ZR1 and CTS-V. I figure that will be seen in new performance platforms as well.

Ford is working on an 'ecoboost' V6 setup with some serious potential, but that was before all the economy stuff sent the Big3 scrambling for bailout bucks.

I like GM's compact diesel motor as well. That is a pretty nifty design in my opinion.

Honestly if the Ford 3.5 V6 sounds something like Nissan's 3.5, and nothing like the Ford/GM 3.8s, I wouldn't mind driving a twin-turbo 3.5 V6 Mustang. Or another RWD car with that motor.

Nothing wrong with a boosted factory motor. But there is no reason why they shouldn't just boost a V8. Leave the V6 for the family men.

So you don't believe in government MANDATED mpg standards?

1,000# of MANDATED safety crap?

The world is warming therefore the auto industry is bad. :devil: We all need to be driving electric, hydro this or that, cow poop powered vehicles?::barf:

Perhaps we recently elected the wrong guy then. :D

I don't believe in this BS either. I am old enough to remember the good old days. I've lost track of who I talked to yesterday but don't really give a XXXX. I collect from the government and still get paid to sell AMERICAN cars.:bang:


:angel: Jakes Dad

Perhaps we recently elected the wrong guy then. :D

What is this "we" stuff you speak of? I didn't vote for that joker. ;)

I thought EVERYONE in IL voted for the new president?

We must all now learn to live with the hand we've been dealt. Or we can piss and moan then piss and moan some more. Or bluff!

I thought EVERYONE in IL voted for the new president?

Not everyone! :)

So you don't believe in government MANDATED mpg standards?
Who says a boosted V8 car will bring the whole company down under the corporate standards? If they make it light, and aerodynamic it will achieve good MPG.


1,000# of MANDATED safety crap?

Yet there are cars like the 1,900lbs Lotus Elise passing these safety tests...

+1 for not buying a V6 Camaro, I dont care if it had 700HP V6, it's still a damn V6, that would be like a V6 Corvette....just thinking of it makes me sick.

+1 for not buying a V6 Camaro, I dont care if it had 700HP V6, it's still a damn V6, that would be like a V6 Corvette....just thinking of it makes me sick.

Must have forgotten about the original being a 6 cylinder (Both Camaro and Vette)...

Yes, the V8 was an improvement, I agree.

Times are changing, government mandates on the motor companies hasn't helped their financial standings in the first place. They're trying to cope with those standards by using smaller displacement motors + forced induction and other technological advancements. These advancements will be seen in the V8's, but they have to have a fleet meeting those requirements.

You don't like it? Don't vote for your person that currently ''represents'' you in the senate. They are the ones who passed this stuff through, and they consistently have a lower approval rating than the president, but hardly any get voted out of office...

Indeed standard engine in the Camaro was a 6. One cylinder after another, three speed on the floor. The camaro came a long way before production ended. Already a couple of years behind the Mustang when the Camaro arrived. I don't think the car ever outsold the Mustang. Hopefully the new car will sell, and sell, and sell. Recent memory though has me scratching my old head. GM thought the SS Silverado would sell, the SS Trailblazer, the SSR, GTO, and now perhaps the G-8. Those vehicles all had larger than average engines. Were fun to drive etc. etc. We'll see, all we can do is wait.

I don't need one but was buying one. Dealership employees were offered a good deal. Then many things happened in the US. Hell, GM might not be in business down the road. The car might be considered an investment. I think some rare Mustang broke the bank at a sale recently. But this post isn't about Mustangs or politics.

Jakes Dad

There are already rumors of the C7 coming with a V6 engine - this engine, to be exact.

... why the hell would an ss have a damn v6?

Stupid government legislation :bang: :ripped:

The majority of pony cars that are sold go to people who like the looks of the car, but don't give a crap about what engine is under the hood, as long as it gets good gas mileage and is dependable. The new Camaro needs a good V6 to keep the car selling so that us gearheads have a platform that we can build from. Bob

Monday President Obama ordered the Transportation Department to boost fuel-efficency stadards for 2011. :bang:

I wonder what that will do for FWD and RWD sports vehicles?

Thanks - that's a great idea. Someone also wants to slash emissions by 30% by 2016. That's a great idea. Lets require the government to cut spending by 30%while we're cutting things. Today or tomorrow would be fine.:hijack:

Those of you who voted for change - :engarde: thanks!

:angel: Jakes Dad