Dyno & Bench Racing Forum - Racing a "10 sec." Civic Hatchback...

Hey guys just wanted to get some opinions on how you guys think this will go down...I've been called out by a Turbo Civic who claims to be in the 10s. Haven't gotten much info. but all I know is that its a fully built Type R engine with sleeves and will be running 14psi. It's suppose to be street legal without a cage and wants to put down some $ on a run.
I have heads, cam, intake, full bolt-ons, 4400 Vigilante Converter, cut-out, 4.10 gears, et streets and a tune....I haven't been up against a Turbo Civic before so don't know what to expect. How do you guys think this will go from a roll or a dig...I'll be pushing for a dig race of course!

well you will be able to make a good decision on how fast he is as soon as you see what kind of tires he shows up to the race with.

I've seen some civics that mean business...but many are all talk.

Could go either way. Just like the civic driver :P

IF he's not BS'ing and has a good suspension setup I'd say you've got a good race. 16psi + light as shit. If he grips he's gonna rip.

Hard to say some civics are setup real good and can run in the 10's while others are hacked and will be lucky to break into the 13's. I would do some detective work.... :secret2:

Ask him to go from a dig. If he doesn't want to, you know he's full of shit about the "10 second civic" part. If it really HAS RAN 10s before, he should be eager to go from a dig.

Ask him to go from a dig. If he doesn't want to, you know he's full of shit about the "10 second civic" part. If it really HAS RAN 10s before, he should be eager to go from a dig.

Ummmm......why do you think all the high HP FWD guys do NOT want to go from a dig on the street? They can't hook for shit! On the track is another story.
A built Type R block with 14 psi could give you a good run if he is full weight and has some suspension but if he's been taking weight out of his car you might wanna watch out

Meh whatever. Both cars will probably have traction issues on the street from a dig or low mph roll. It's hard to say how fast his car should be without knowing what turbo he has anyways.

As a comparision, my buddy's GSR swapped hatch with forged internals and a T3/T4 went 10.6 @ 131. He can drive the fucking shit out of that car though. If this guy's car is anything like that, I can't see a na heads/cam auto car staying anywhere near the civic from a roll.

i dont know how/what your car runs but, I dont see him wanting to run from a dig if hes on a street tire, he wont hook, if he comes out on a slick, it may hook(as well as a boosted fwd car will). However from a roll, you may be in trouble. Being a turbo car he is going to come on STRONG on the top end, where as with a stall that will not be a strong point for you.

Keep us posted man

Basically what everyone else is saying... could be nothing, could be pretty damn fast. Good luck, and keep us updated.

no cage? To be running 10's in a civic I would think he needed alot of track time just to practice launching, and you don't run 10's without a cage. I call bull or that he's just guessing his time...

no cage? To be running 10's in a civic I would think he needed alot of track time just to practice launching, and you don't run 10's without a cage. I call bull or that he's just guessing his time...

That's exactly what I was thinking....I bet there's at least an 80% chance that he's just guessing on his time and he's just talk. Well I'm definitely gonna run him but for no more than like $100 if the car looks legit....and if I do lose then I'm gonna have to bottle feed my TA so that I don't have to worry about this again :D

No idea to be honest, once its turbo'd anything can happen. Can be fast as a bullt or slow as a slug, all depends on the work REALLY done to it, which he probably won't reveal all to you. Deff. try and go from a dig though if it goes down.

Since he has the turbo, i say bolt up the sneaky pete just incase! Run the first one without it to get a good feel for how his car is performing. Then run him again no holds barred...

Hey guys just wanted to get some opinions on how you guys think this will go down...I've been called out by a Turbo Civic who claims to be in the 10s. Haven't gotten much info. but all I know is that its a fully built Type R engine with sleeves and will be running 14psi. It's suppose to be street legal without a cage and wants to put down some $ on a run.
I have heads, cam, intake, full bolt-ons, 4400 Vigilante Converter, cut-out, 4.10 gears, et streets and a tune....I haven't been up against a Turbo Civic before so don't know what to expect. How do you guys think this will go from a roll or a dig...I'll be pushing for a dig race of course!Most 10 second Civics are 12-13 second cars.

Meh whatever. Both cars will probably have traction issues on the street from a dig or low mph roll. It's hard to say how fast his car should be without knowing what turbo he has anyways.

As a comparision, my buddy's GSR swapped hatch with forged internals and a T3/T4 went 10.6 @ 131. He can drive the fucking shit out of that car though. If this guy's car is anything like that, I can't see a na heads/cam auto car staying anywhere near the civic from a roll.

Any really fast import usually has the MPH of a car running a second faster. So running a 10 second import from a roll you'd probably need a 9 second car. Definitely go from a dig.

no cage? To be running 10's in a civic I would think he needed alot of track time just to practice launching, and you don't run 10's without a cage. I call bull or that he's just guessing his time...

Most tracks don't care unless it's a race. I've ran 11s at a few tracks and haven't even been questioned about wearing a helmet. So it is entirely possible to run tens without a cage.

That's exactly what I was thinking....I bet there's at least an 80% chance that he's just guessing on his time and he's just talk. Well I'm definitely gonna run him but for no more than like $100 if the car looks legit....and if I do lose then I'm gonna have to bottle feed my TA so that I don't have to worry about this again :D

Do you have a good tire? beacause that will be your biggest friend :D

I would imagine he will have traction problems in at least 1st and maybe 2nd also, that is where you need to pull him hard.

like people are saying, it also depends on how its built. I know my good buddy I race with has a 95 4-door civic, with a single cam(much less hp than the DOHC type R), small turbo (off an evo 3), ebay turbo manifold, full exhaust, full interior, stock cam, stock intake mani, and the car ran 12.8s in street trim, 15psi, pump gas, on a drag radial.

If he knows what he is doing it could be very fast, but then again, you never know. Traction will be your friend

If it is a sleeved block, I wouldnt trust its only on 14psi. I know people with similar set ups pushing 500whp

This is Phoenix...land of sandbaging, and bs. This could vary well be the real deal, or he could be trying to bluff you out. Ask for money, claim to be fast, you punk out, you = bitch. Then you put your money up, he could punk out...or he would take that shit and run. I say, hit it with a good sized pill, and take his money.

There are some 10 second civic turbos out there..I have heard of them in my city but haven't actually found one yet..at least not on the street. To hook a 10 second fwd pretty much need slicks.Even nittos doubt would cut it. FWD is bitch to hook .Had a few fwd turbo talons..awd is much much better in the hooking up high power department.

You have et streets. Go from dig only. And boost level is meaningless number without knowing what turbo he has. Bigger turbos might make 500rwhp at 14psi. Smaller one can make 200. Huge difference for same psi.
Also wondering why he would run such low boost. Most turbos that you would put on to turn 10s would be spun a lot higher like 25psi. And its easy to turn up boost way higher in car with electronic control at touch of a button. He could be at 14psi for a play around pass and then at 25psi on race for his real pass. If he has a brain he can make racefuel easily with xylene or toluene. Or can run alc injection to run much higher boost on pump gas.

I say run this guy for 100 whatever..He is also a stick and will likely blow the race anyway. You are auto can't miss shifts if you let the car do the shifting. Autos make the best 1/4 mile car. I beat a turboed nitroused civic at track with my 14.2 near stock 96z vert. He was on street tires! LOL his 60ft was 2.85. He nearly hit the wall and his mph was 85mph since he had to get out of it and he couldn't shift for crap.

Remember though from a roll more dangerous and you can lose to one of my turbo cars one race and then I just punch up the boost and waste you like you had a 4 banger.
Thats what makes turbo cars so fun.Dial up the power when you want it ,assuming you have the supporting mods, built engine tuning knowledge etc to handle the higher boost and power.

no cage? To be running 10's in a civic I would think he needed alot of track time just to practice launching, and you don't run 10's without a cage. I call bull or that he's just guessing his time...

Your car obviously isn't a 10 second car. So, why does any ass clown in any car that runs 10's want to run you for money? :bang:

You need a spot. You need a ET ticket. Tell the ass clown you'll pay to get his car on a drag strip. When it goes through tech tell them it runs 13's. If it runs 10's he'll get kicked off. On street tires no firggen way..

:angel: Jakes Dad

I beat a turboed nitroused civic at track with my 14.2 near stock 96z vert. He was on street tires! LOL his 60ft was 2.85. He nearly hit the wall and his mph was 85mph since he had to get out of it and he couldn't shift for crap.

I smell BS. there is no way a turboed and nitrous honda would only trap 84MPH even letting off at the 1/8mile. I personally know a honda owner who runs street tires at the track and runs 11.5's@128ish he is also only turbo on 13lbs

He was not using spray don't think that run . I have the timeslip around here still will try to dig it up. The mph was very low ,maybe he didnt' even get to the 1/8 mile . He refused to run my 96z when he came around to the staging lanes ,he asked to be put next to a slower car.

As said the car was on street tires. I was racing against him on nitto drag radials. Local track used to be very slippery, no track prep that day and only recently did they tear it up to put in concrete for first 300 feet ? It was just plain ashalt previously.

I have never seen a 10 second honda run at our local track when I have been there and been there a lot. I have seen some 12 second ones for sure ,one supercharged desol and
some 12 second hondas.I forget if saw one high 11 second honda,I usually take notes of the cars when I go to track .That one did run decent for a ghetto build but blew up later on in the day. It was stock engine and cobbled together ebay turbo kit.
So you can expect it to go boom. And he was on drag tires.

I like dsm a lot more than I like hondas if you look at my sig. And always say rather have a slow fourth gen any day of the week over a fast honda.

I haven't had really challenges by hondas or much else since pretty much finished up my TT 99 408. Not too worried anymore. Course my plate gives fair warning ,my twin turbo emblems and 408 emblems and my turbos and blows offs are pretty loud when cutout is opened and am into the boost.

My 97 talon is no slouch either.
Fully built 2.4 swap with basically a GT35R and all the support mods,sheet metal intake, 950 injectors, dsmlink, big cams,etc. I have not tracked my 97 talon or my 99 ta yet. Just tracked the 96z with mild mods. Should have some times and dynos this coming season on the 99ta. Didn't want to track the 97 talon until upgrade trans,axles and center diff.Don't like breaking things! 91 talon is pure race car project,should be done this year or next. Trailer only on that one,stripped down,one seat, rollbar,etc.Also be running a gt35R type turbo on that one with fulls supporting mods and fully built 2 litre.That car is auto.

Anyway not saying there aren't fast hondas out there. But personally sick of hearing about all the supposed 10 second ones in my city and province. I have not lost to one yet on the street with actually any of my cars. And have not seen one 10 second one at local track. Most of the kids that own them in my city are full of crap and don't have a clue how to tune them. Most run street tires on the street. I run drag radials on my 99ta, 96z, and my 97 awd talon of course can get great 60fts on street tires.

I will see if can dig up those timeslips. Ran like three hondas that day with the 96z running 14.2s at 96mph. And beat all of them. Assume the other ones were stock or near stock. Heck my minivan could have been some of the other ones that day!

if the car does run 10s, even mid 10s, expect it to trap atleast mid 130s

I have never seen a 10 second honda run at our local track when I have been there and been there a lot.

My 97 talon is no slouch either.
Fully built 2.4 swap with basically a GT35R and all the support mods,sheet metal intake, 950 injectors, dsmlink, big cams,etc. I have not tracked my 97 talon or my 99 ta yet. Just tracked the 96z with mild mods. Should have some times and dynos this coming season on the 99ta. Didn't want to track the 97 talon until upgrade trans,axles and center diff.Don't like breaking things! 91 talon is pure race car project,should be done this year or next. Trailer only on that one,stripped down,one seat, rollbar,etc.Also be running a gt35R type turbo on that one with fulls supporting mods and fully built 2 litre.That car is auto.


I have only scene one honda at our strip that has run a 9 second pass but it was a fully built car and not a street car. The fastest honda was my friends who ran the 11.5@128 on drag radials but he plans to move to a bigger turbo and run full slicks next time so I think he wants a very deep 10 or maybe single digit pass.

As far as the DSM, 4G64 block? 2.0L auto with a 35R, are you using nitrous to help get that spooled out of the hole?

I have a 2.4L with a FP3065 and it takes about 3-5 seconds of brake boosting before it hits 10psi. Nice set-up either way and post pics when the build it done. I wish I had the money to upgrade the drive-train, then I would launch so much harder but last time I did that I snapped the driveshaft and shattered the transfer case so I baby the car to 1.6-1.7 short times.

Ok sorry maybe got things a bit confused.
My 97 talon is my street car. It has a 6 bolt 2.4.From Hyundai Sonata. It has currently stock 100mm crank,
crower rods and wiseco 8.8 pistons.Head has manley stainless but stock sized valves, crower cams 414s think they were,crower springs,..I have jm fab intake, ported stock tb. gm maf, dsmlink. 950 injectors. supra tt pump, big lines. adjustable fuel reg. Extreme turbo systems front mount. apexi catback and downpipe. Slowboy HD 4000 clutch. FP3065, FP exhaust manifold. Tial 44 gate and Tial blow off.
That car is pretty much done just have to decide if going to keep the 3065 on it and then will get a Jack trans, Dss axles and few other little things to finish it .

I had something go wrong last season and the car has been parked since. Either spun a bearing in the 5000 mile 2.4 or the clutch has fallen apart..suspect the latter but have not taken things apart to find out what went wrong.
The 97 has never been to the track. I wanted to do Jack trans and dss axles first. The 97 intake is setup for direct port. But none is installed yet.
I have suspension mods too. Tannabe springs, tokico adjustable shocks,rm sway bars.
Kvr rotors and hawk hps pads.

Then I also am building a 91 talon awd turbo. That one is staying 2.0. It has auto and will get IPT billet stall for it. Its super light gutting it way down. I was thinking to move the FP3065 to the 91 talon or run a gt35R on it if keep the FP3065 on the 97. Or go down to FP3052 on the 97.
I know the FP3065 is pretty much a gt30/35 basically hybrid.
I have dsmlink on the 91 race car. I don't see much problem spooling up a GT35R or FP3065 with say a stall in the auto and have the dsmlink for antilag. I don't see why would need nitrous. My 2.4 in my 97 spools up the FP3065 I think around 3800 to 4000 but would like to maybe go down to a FP3052 to give me a better street powerband and really don't need the extra power of the FP3065 on the street anyway.

When I want to scare myself silly I have my 99 TT 408.

I am not sure if will finish up the 91 race car project this season. Goals are a reasonable 10 xx in the 1991 no interest in every going 9s.

I can post some pics of my 97 talon a bit later today. Not much to see on the 91 yet.

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I don't see much problem spooling up a GT35R or FP3065 with say a stall in the auto and have the dsmlink for antilag. .

If you can figure out how to make it spool fast on the line let me know because I tried setting up antilag and 2 step systems but all my attempts failed (only 5-6) so I just gave up and decided just to sit and wait out the brake boosting. Usually takes anywhere from 3-5 seconds though.

there is probably a reason a civic is calling you out for money.

we have a good amount of fast hondas out here. if you go from the lowest roll he'll possibly allow, you might win. second he will just spin. once he hits third, it'll start moving, and 4th he's gonna pull hard. if it really is a 10 sec civic

maybe he meant 10's in the 1/8th? ;)

Hey guys thanks for the replies...I met up with the guy at a local import meet. The little civic is totally gutted without even a dash board. Had him pop the hood and it looked like a pretty clean built engine....said he was running 14 psi which I think was bs and said that it wasn't forged but a source of mine told me otherwise.
So then he checked out my car and made sure I had no nitrous. My bro had supposedly worked out a dig run for some $ with a close friend of his before the meet but once we started talking about it he refused to do it from a dig. He wanted to do a roll up to "top speed"...So of course I refused to that since I have 4.10 gears, a converter, and he was easily like 2k lbs lighter than me....so after some arguing we decided to do a dig and a roll just for fun and he proceeded to put some slicks on the little thing.
Was a busy night but we eventually caught a red light. So I turned off my TCS and once it turned green I gunned it, stupid me, because I started fishtailing like crazy...so I just let off before I hit him or the side walk. Then we went from about a 40 mph roll and well, he put some car lengths on me and I shut it around 110. So after that we both went our ways...
I'm sure he's told all his little import friends about this by now but maybe this will give him some confidence to run me from a dig next time and I can warm up my tires and ease into it instead of just stomping the gas. Then again I could also get some 3.42 gears, a nitrous shot and run him from a roll :D...Sorry for the long post. This kinda sucks although I'm sure he was running at least 18psi if not in the 20s :bang: