Road Racing - Remote/rear or front mounted turbo for road racing




Johnny Johnny
04-13-2009, 04:30 PM
Just theorizing here - no real-world experience.

I'm currently swapping a 5.3l L33 HO motor into my Porsche 944, which will be used for daily driving, HPDE and road circuits (no strip or drag launches). The engine bay is pretty tight, so fitting a turbo or turbos up front is a bit of a challenge. I was wondering about performance benefits/drawbacks for a rear-mounted turbo for road racing use. I can see the following potential benefits of a rear-mounted turbo:

- less possibility of heat soak, resulting in lower engine bay temperatures
- lower engine oil/coolant temperature
- better weight balance

Typically, rear-mounted turbos must contend with maintaining adequate exhaust gas temperatures during the long run back from the exhaust ports. I would think that this would have a negative impact for drag racing, as the motors run in an all-or-nothing manner, i.e. little time for the exhaust track to heat up. For a road race, the temperature in the exhaust pipe would be elevated at a more consistent level, so less energy would be lost.

Of course, there are other issues to contend with, such as oil lines, increased weight from the longer pipes, etc.

Doing a search I can't find a single instance of a rear-mounted turbo on a road race car, so I'm probably just being stupid, but I thought I'd put it out there.

Any thoughts/comments/criticisms?


SIK02SS
04-13-2009, 09:12 PM
major drawback is your oil lines have to go to the rear of the car...

Lars1361
04-16-2009, 09:46 PM
I went out and toured Renegade Hybrids in Las Vegas when I had my 944.

From what I remember, 400hp was the threshold for the transaxle. A turbo S transaxle was slightly higher - but VERY expensive.

I rode in a 400 flywheel horsepower LS6 in a 944. It was amazing. I couldn't imagine needing much more.


Kamin
04-22-2009, 03:25 PM
major drawback is your oil lines have to go to the rear of the car...


a proper rear mount system has a self contained oiling system in the rear of the car with a pump and tank.

geeteego
04-28-2009, 02:02 PM
a proper rear mount system has a self contained oiling system in the rear of the car with a pump and tank.

How does the oil get cooled?

OKcruising
04-28-2009, 04:03 PM
You can install heat exchangers back there.

Unless you completely seal and venturi tunnel the car, you'll have oodles of air flowing around.

You could get IMSA flaires and have ducting... theres a myriad of ways.

geeteego
04-29-2009, 08:54 AM
You can install heat exchangers back there.

Unless you completely seal and venturi tunnel the car, you'll have oodles of air flowing around.

You could get IMSA flaires and have ducting... theres a myriad of ways.

I just have yet to see someone mock it up. It seems a lot of trouble for a system that, when properly done, and I mean doing these things:


Tap oilpan (-8an) for return above fluid level.
Use restrictors in-line pre turbo for cars with high output oil pumps, especially BB units.
Have a functioning check valve.
Ensure that the turbo oil drain is located higher than the return pump location.
Use an oil cooler.
Use a quality scavenge pump with appropriate gauge wiring.


...works just fine. I'd much rather have the oil coming from the front of the car than have a giant firebomb in my trunk.

But that's my opinion.

Andy1
04-30-2009, 07:46 PM
The gear ratios in the non-turbo version of the 944 trans are a bit short for big V8 power. I'd urge you to consider the 951 (944 turbo) trans as it has better ratios, a larger pinion bearing, and a stronger input shaft.

Andy1

Johnny Johnny
05-06-2009, 12:17 PM
The gear ratios in the non-turbo version of the 944 trans are a bit short for big V8 power. I'd urge you to consider the 951 (944 turbo) trans as it has better ratios, a larger pinion bearing, and a stronger input shaft.

Andy1

Already swapped it in :nod: