Automotive News, Media & Press - Pontiac is gone! This sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

I didnt want to hijack the other threads on this subject plus I just need to rant right now! This sucks! I just read on yahoo that the general is killing in my opinion the best brand they have! I dont get it though over the last 10 plus years how much money as GM made off pontiac? They have sold a crap load of grand prixs and grand ams. Not to mention the G5 G6 G8s and even the bonneville. Ok the aztec was a pretty big flop but they cant all be winners. So now what happens to a niche car like the camaro?? If sales dont do well and GM is still hurting in a year or two they would have to give that the ax to. What is left the the vete? Even though its a cheap sports car I still cant afford it. This really bothers me but the mustang looks like it will be the only survivor out of this deal. What is your guys opinion???

I feel your pain, but for one reason: the G8. I could give a s*&^ less about the G6, the G5, the torrent, and all the other re-badged chevy's that have with pontiac name plates on them. GM will surely show their stupidity if they do not re-badge the G8 as a Chevy, because I believe that it is the best four door that GM has offered in the US in a LONG time. I guess I won't be buying a G8 once I climb out of the hole that purchasing my first home has put me in. Only time will tell...

I dont know why they would do that considering the GTO started the muscle car era.But they must no what is selling and what is not or they would not have done what they did.All can say is it is a very sad thing.I think the G8 will be a Lumina SS now if they are smart.

POntiac has had tremendous sales in cars like the g6 and grand am and grand prix. The Bonny was ok. Of course the Soltice is a best seller as well. But with the G6 and soltice, its bigger sellers, theres hardly any profit. So even though they are selling like nuts, they still dont make much off of them. With cars like the Aztec and Torrent, so much money goes into those cars and they flop. If Pontiac had been slimmed to Soltice, G6, Grand Prix/G8, it would have dobe well i think. But dragging extra weight for years for no reason (aka torrent vibe aztec g3) has its consequences.


I hope to god the G8 becomes a Lumina SS like everywhere else in the world. A Buick Solstice may sound odd, but could work out.

I understand getting rid of hummer saab and even saturn but pontiac has sold so many gand ams and prixs that I would have thought it would be one of the brands keeping GM afloat! How many cars can buick be selling?? I mean Really? Im not real big on 4 door cars but the g8 was starting to have a good thing going it sounds like.

Also how much money will be available to a lumina SS or even the camaro in a couple years if this doesnt bail out GM?? And any other future cars that we dont even know about yet.

I understand getting rid of hummer saab and even saturn but pontiac has sold so many gand ams and prixs that I would have thought it would be one of the brands keeping GM afloat! How many cars can buick be selling?? I mean Really? Im not real big on 4 door cars but the g8 was starting to have a good thing going it sounds like.


Your only thinking here, you have to think globally. Buick has a stronghold on the Chinese auto market so as long as its being made, may as well keep it here for once we all retire.

Your only thinking here, you have to think globally. Buick has a stronghold on the Chinese auto market so as long as its being made, may as well keep it here for once we all retire.

I don't know about you, but when I retire, it'll be with an LS7 (or better) Vette! hahaha The kids won't be around, so I won't be in for a 4 door either!:nod:

I agree!! When I retire it wont be a buick Im driving, or a pontiac aparently....

My Thoughts...
Scrap the current front wheel drive Impala and replace it with a G8 (maybe even use the Holden front and rear body parts to save some cash).

And for the up coming (well if Pontiac would still be around in 2011) G8 ST. Leave it with the Holden body parts and sell it out right as a Chevy El Camino.

Now for Saturn, Save the sky and I'm not sure about the rest.

A simple choice would be to move the Saturn Sky over to Cadillac.
Since the body lines closely resemble a caddy to begin with.
Maybe change up the engine selections to say:
Base model: 2.2L Direct injection inline 4 (bore out the SC 2.0L but loose the SC)
Sky-V would get the 304hp 3.6L Direct injection V-6 (same as the base CTS and Camaro).

Silly question: Is GMC going to stay around? Since most of the GMC user lineup can be broken down to Caddy SUV's and Chevy Pickup/SUV lines.
The only part that is not is the Large size truck line (the big haulers 3500, 4500, and larger). But they could be rebadged as Chevy's anyway.

I'd kill off GMC and make all of those trucks as a Chevrolet (like they already do, I don't get it???). Nobody will miss the Denali, get a Tahoe or an Escalade its not too hard of a choice.

GMC sells to companys as work trucks. They won't get rid of it. Chevy does too, but GMC more so.

this shuoldnt be a suprise to anyone...

The G8 GT should be the base V8 Impala and the GXP should be the new Impala SS

:( not happy when i found this out earlier today. i wonder whats gonna happen with chevy. Prolly gonna kill that to. no more z06's :(

It was going to happen sooner or later. With all the new emission law set for 2012,v8 don't stand a chance any way. Look on the bright side if you own a T/A its already a classic and is only 7-12 years old.

I could understand getting rid of GMC and incorporating it into chevy. I thought saturn was finally on an upturn. I havnt heard any production numbers to back that up but thats what Ive been hearing. The other downside is all the lost jobs not just now but in the future IF GM gets back on its feet. They will still probably have to file for bankruptcy before its all over!

...GM will surely show their stupidity if they do not re-badge the G8 as a Chevy, because I believe that it is the best four door that GM has offered in the US in a LONG time...

2010 camaro is kinda like a re-badged G8... with 2 doors

all of you firebird/transam guys, especially the 02 models should be happy. your cars are going to cost a shit load of money in time. as long as you do not molest the car.

yea it sucks I'm going to go find out if G8 are going to be cheaper now

The most recent news does suck however this is the 3rd or 4th time the plan for pontiac has changed. It wouldn't suprise me if in another month it changed again because the people upstairs have no clue what direction to go in at this point. All we can really do is sit back and wait to see when they go chap 11 and find out whats left. Its sad times for the general as a whole

Obviously getting rid of Wagner didnt resolve the issue of GM's idiotocracy, it may have helped some but in my opinion is that GM's idea of giving people what they get vs what they want still hasn't sunk into those idiots that make decisions at GM. This weekend while out driving around I couldnt believe how many Pontiacs I saw vs Buicks. The resale value of a Chevy vs a Pontiac is like comparing the resale value of a MiniCooper vs a Chevy Cavalier. I have had many new Pontiacs and a few new Chevy's and I also did much better on trade-ins or selling outright the Pontiac. I always took a beating on the Chevy's. Holden out to buy Pontiac and that would give them an in for the states, like Fiat with Chysler. The other as mentioned was using the G8 platform for an Impala, this would do 2 things, it would give people something they would want in a rear wheel drive car and also open GM back up to law enforcement vehicles since they lost out on these sales to Ford and recently to Chrysler, probally why Ford isn't in as much trouble as GM and Chrysler is slightly in better shape than GM. Law enforcement always needs vehicles.

For all of you crying and whining about the demise of Pontiac,
if you haven't bought a brand new Pontiac in the last couple of years you should blame yourself.

If you look at sales numbers for GM brands, total units sold:
Chevy sold almost 2 million total units in the figures I looked up online, compared to 285,000 total units sold for Pontiac.

GM sells more Buicks just in China then they have in total Pontiac sales in world.

Good point Proporio. I mostly just feel bad that Pontiac fell so far from the 'excitement' division it once was. I bought 3 new Pontiacs but NONE since the T/A. The GTO was enticing but the styling not anything as close to an F-body. I passed. The Solstice was quite exciting but the wife didn't want to mess with a manual top, even if it was easy to operate. We ended up buying a used Z3 (full power everything and originally a $41k car) with only 13,000 miles on it for the same price as a new Solstice. It was a no-brainer for us but another instance where Pontiac missed the boat. I have no idea how many people passed on the non-power vert top. Then Pontiac lined up with Oprah to sell (and give away) the G6. Talk about a real deal breaker for most males out there unless you are one of the few males that likes The View or watches Oprah. What a turn-off! Pontiac's marketing went completely south. No wonder why I haven't bought any new Pontiacs since the T/A. What a far cry from the past. Just a shame.

For all of you crying and whining about the demise of Pontiac,
if you haven't bought a brand new Pontiac in the last couple of years you should blame yourself.

If you look at sales numbers for GM brands, total units sold:
Chevy sold almost 2 million total units in the figures I looked up online, compared to 285,000 total units sold for Pontiac.

GM sells more Buicks just in China then they have in total Pontiac sales in world.

don't they sell the g8 in china as a buick ?

Now maybe my license plate (EXTYNCT) will make sense to people who aren't up to speed on Firebirds, haha.

It is a sad day when the brand that brought us the GTO, Trans Am Firebirds, the G8 GXP, and the Turbo TA (the good one with the BUICK engine)has been put out to pasture. GM killed the Pontiac name with just about anyone under the age of 30 with its lame line up, really what except the G8 has any excitement? The Solstice is cool too, but in reality Pontiac has been "dead brand walking for years". GM was starting on the right track again with Pontiac and working it to get the thrill back, then gas topped out at 4.50 a gallon, hard to sell a performance division to a crowd thinking gas would get to 8.00.

To those that say GMC should have gone, I throw this out there. Make GMC the truck only division, only sell small truck and SUVs as Chevy or Caddies everything 1/2 ton and up GMC only. Allow all GM dealers to sell and service the GMC trucks. (I have always thought GM should make it so all dealers can do warrenty work on all GM vehicles just like Ford does) To me by making Chevy cars, small trucks and SUVs it allows GM to laser focus Chevys ad budget, the same holds true for GMC just because it would be the GM work brand (heavy hauling done here). GMC has always done very well for the profit end of GM, think about it, they are the least costly to make cause you know what to do everytime when designing a truck and when a consumer walks on the GMC lot you know what they want for a vehicle.....A TRUCK.

I say bring the G8 out as a Buick Grand National.....

Good point Proporio. I mostly just feel bad that Pontiac fell so far from the 'excitement' division it once was. I bought 3 new Pontiacs but NONE since the T/A. The GTO was enticing but the styling not anything as close to an F-body. I passed. The Solstice was quite exciting but the wife didn't want to mess with a manual top, even if it was easy to operate. We ended up buying a used Z3 (full power everything and originally a $41k car) with only 13,000 miles on it for the same price as a new Solstice. It was a no-brainer for us but another instance where Pontiac missed the boat. I have no idea how many people passed on the non-power vert top. Then Pontiac lined up with Oprah to sell (and give away) the G6. Talk about a real deal breaker for most males out there unless you are one of the few males that likes The View or watches Oprah. What a turn-off! Pontiac's marketing went completely south. No wonder why I haven't bought any new Pontiacs since the T/A. What a far cry from the past. Just a shame.

I think you have mr bill lutz to thank for the lack of styling. I remember reading just after they killed the f-body that HE wanted to make pontiac an upscale division. Like the cars from BMW. Dont they already have that and its called cadillac?? I knew than that it could spell disaster.

For all of you crying and whining about the demise of Pontiac,
if you haven't bought a brand new Pontiac in the last couple of years you should blame yourself.


I bought a 2009 Solstice back in September 08 so I did my part.....where the hell was everyone else?!!?!?

I hate, absolutely hate that the ONLY American car brand that I have ever identified with throughout my life is now going to be history.

It was bad enough when they took Firebird, but with PONTIAC alive there was still a .01% chance they could bring it back. Now that will never happen for any future generations.

suck it GM. No more of my money will you have!

I was told by a little birdie that the main reason pontiac is phased out and not sold is because once GM gets back on its feet it will return with a vengence. Possible why they decided to sell the other brands and just put Pontiac in the back room for now. I still say camaro sales will determine the return of the FIREBIRD for a 2012-2013 time frame. This is the only way GM can please the govt but at the same time not lose the rights to the pontiac name. I will stay on top of this but the old fogies at Gm change thier mind all the time.

I just read an article about all this and it said that the goverment is deciding wether to keep up all the regulations on new vehicles or basicly tell all the american car makers what to build (small fuel efficent not cool cars) and not even consider the cosumers opinion basicly tell us what to drive and if they do that the only branches of gm would be chevy and cadillac and they would most likley kill off the camaro cts v and the corvette i read this on aol.com today and that made me pretty mad cause it also said that over 70% of the new camaros ordered are v8 powered so it shows what americans want to drive! And yes it sucks they killed of pontiac when they kept saturn and hummer if anything they should stop makin hummers no buys them anymore and who care about saturn so i think we may only have a year or 2 of the new camaro and i probebly wont ever get a chance to buy a brand new z06 this sucks!

Let them try. They can build all the shitty tiny cars they want. They will NEVER force me to buy/drive one.

pontiac needed more SUV's on the road but mostly they needed trucks!!
chevrolets most sale are trucks, i mean every state road worker i see in GA has a truck, every hill billy, red neck, contractor, and my damn neighbor!!! i mean pontiac should have jumped in on this...

however if it were me i would move the performance portion of GM to pontiac and the truck portion of GM to chevrolet. and if anything they should do away with GMC!

in addition to that did anyone see the article of when they put and LS6 in the Poniac Solstice? Let me just say this, it DOMINATED the 08 ZO6 in EVERY way, acceleration, braking, cornering, top speed, it even weighed less! however, GM didn't want to put it in production cause it would make there high end perfomance car, the Corvette, look stupid and slow, and it would kill there legend.

in my opinion if they had produced it all the new race cars would have picked the Solstice over the Corvette, it would probably even be the new corvette, and it would have raised the sales of Pontiac and GM alot!

however a company is only as good as its leader and i must say GM leaders SUCK my mother phucken balls!! phuck them all, there rich bstard asses suck in life, and its very unfortunate that people so undeserving in charge of this! i can think of about 10 people of the top of my head on this fourm alone that are better diserving of suck pesitions!!

GM used to dominatethe one thing they stood for, performance, they did away with......... pathetic, if you ask me........ :mad:

god i need a beer, or 6, to calm down....

I was told by a little birdie that the main reason pontiac is phased out and not sold is because once GM gets back on its feet it will return with a vengence. Possible why they decided to sell the other brands and just put Pontiac in the back room for now. I still say camaro sales will determine the return of the FIREBIRD for a 2012-2013 time frame. This is the only way GM can please the govt but at the same time not lose the rights to the pontiac name. I will stay on top of this but the old fogies at Gm change thier mind all the time.

if only you are right!!! man i wish i was given the chance to maybe run it for a week i would fire all the people in charge and look for new people right here in LS1tech.... i mean, how many people need a job that diserve it....

pontiac needed more SUV's on the road but mostly they needed trucks!!
chevrolets most sale are trucks, i mean every state road worker i see in GA has a truck, every hill billy, red neck, contractor, and my damn neighbor!!! i mean pontiac should have jumped in on this...

however if it were me i would move the performance portion of GM to pontiac and the truck portion of GM to chevrolet. and if anything they should do away with GMC!

in addition to that did anyone see the article of when they put and LS6 in the Poniac Solstice? Let me just say this, it DOMINATED the 08 ZO6 in EVERY way, acceleration, braking, cornering, top speed, it even weighed less! however, GM didn't want to put it in production cause it would make there high end perfomance car, the Corvette, look stupid and slow, and it would kill there legend.



in my opinion if they had produced it all the new race cars would have picked the Solstice over the Corvette, it would probably even be the new corvette, and it would have raised the sales of Pontiac and GM alot!

however a company is only as good as its leader and i must say GM leaders SUCK my mother phucken balls!! phuck them all, there rich bstard asses suck in life, and its very unfortunate that people so undeserving in charge of this! i can think of about 10 people of the top of my head on this fourm alone that are better diserving of suck pesitions!!

GM used to dominatethe one thing they stood for, performance, they did away with......... pathetic, if you ask me........ :mad:

god i need a beer, or 6, to calm down....


As they would say on SNL. Really? Realllly? Really?

Pontiac trucks? Didn't you notice the market place was pretty much saturated with trucks? Why would having another 2500 series with a arrow head on the front save Pontiac?

And as been said before GMC sells huge amounts of Trucks as fleet vehicles and has always been a truck company. They never got in to the business selling cars did they?

A GMC rebadged as Pontiac would be even more of a screw up.

I get that all you arrow head boys are upset that your cars is gone and now the brand is, but come one saying "they should have moved this to that, that that to this and killed this brand over that brand and did this instead of that", is like pissing in the wind. Not only is it stupid it's pointless.

Pontiac got out of the performance cars/excitement division a long time ago, they were goners from that day forward. They got in to the Mid size family four door cars that have some more angles and the same engines as the Chevy counter part. Yes they had a super charged GTP or whatever it was, awesome....excitttting, and yes the G8GT is really the first thing different and wow from them in a long time, but thats it.

As they would say on SNL. Really? Realllly? Really?

Pontiac trucks? Didn't you notice the market place was pretty much saturated with trucks? Why would having another 2500 series with a arrow head on the front save Pontiac?

And as been said before GMC sells huge amounts of Trucks as fleet vehicles and has always been a truck company. They never got in to the business selling cars did they?

A GMC rebadged as Pontiac would be even more of a screw up.

I get that all you arrow head boys are upset that your cars is gone and now the brand is, but come one saying "they should have moved this to that, that that to this and killed this brand over that brand and did this instead of that", is like pissing in the wind. Not only is it stupid it's pointless.

Pontiac got out of the performance cars/excitement division a long time ago, they were goners from that day forward. They got in to the Mid size family four door cars that have some more angles and the same engines as the Chevy counter part. Yes they had a super charged GTP or whatever it was, awesome....excitttting, and yes the G8GT is really the first thing different and wow from them in a long time, but thats it.

:321: :flipbird: :buttkick: :upyours: :wave-fing: :twak: :takethat: (i love smilies)

I say bring the G8 out as a Buick Grand National.....

damn right.

They should rebadge the g8 as a buick GN and then supercharge the 6,2l.

Turbo wouldn't work with space concerns. SC would be awesome!! :D

'Smiles' me all you want the, the facts are still the same, you had a silly idea.

Several people/companies have offered to buy Pontiac, for substantial amounts of money, GM has declined and said it is not forsale, unlike saturn, hummer and saab which are. I think that says something right there......

It might be back...

...like herpes.

'Smiles' me all you want the, the facts are still the same, you had a silly idea.

that New Jersey blood and pollution has gone to your head :gtfo:

pontiac gone= SUCKY

That doesn't even make sence. Sorry, you Fail.

The governer of California bought the rights to pontiac....the T/A will be back!!

Some company...ACS makes a bodykit to change a Camaro into a Tans am.... bumpers/front+ rear and side skirting....

If you want one bad enough...you can have it. I've seen one they have done and it looks retro..i'd have to see it in another color baby blue didn't make it for me.


hey if you love the Firebird pick a generation and do a rotiseary or if its in good shape..you can retrofit all chevy parts in... Get a good body shop and rebuild it..

i didn't leave my GTO's the way Pontiac sold them i changed bumpers and grills till i got an acceptable out come....it looks sorta Saaleen...but definitly not a cavalier or gran prix... it looks like a hot rod... actaully the car i built looks like a 2 door GXP with a taller duck tail spoiler...and extended front bumper...with nicer plain grey 18's it looks stock.


point i'm making if your a poncho....there are plenty of F-bodies waiting to be restored.
it was a good plateform...that can easily be made to handle and brake...anycar ccan be make fast...and the ram airs and firehawks and formula's can all still be easily reproduced...

its 1974 and the muscle cars are dying out....don't do what our forfathers did.....buy em up.....fix em to your liking.


I was shocked in watching the new Star Trek Movie that they had an old Vette in the movie as captain jame tibirius Kirk was stealing from his step father as a 13 y/o .

it was funny...and cool...can you imagine the motors available to put in a race machine in say 40 years....retrofitting them to an old ancient 00 Ws6 tran Am..

thats was going through my mind.

I might snag a new camaro or better yet...a CTS either a V which would bad ass or an AWD...with six seed manual if that can be had.....a little tweaking... and i'm sure its an off the line killer...

I love GM.....i had my brief affair with ford( good ) and dodge( also good)..but i always came back to GM..

GM is as American as it gets. and as Gm' goes so too goes America

sorry for the long post ...we just still have options....is all i'm saying.

meth...it's a helluva drug....

In other news (that will be confirmed officially later), Saturn will be sticking around. They've been bought out by someone, so their lineup will remain. Now if only that would happen with Pontiac...

Well the Trans Am and GTO's stock just went up being the last in a great line of cars it makes me sad but at least now I can use the "back in my day" speech.

Well the Trans Am and GTO's stock just went up being the last in a great line of cars it makes me sad but at least now I can use the "back in my day" speech.

yeah thats true, just like the oldtimers we kinda chuckle at. i remeber when.....the x had the y engine...and damn it was fast. lol

i beleive i see electric engines coming to the forefront of the "performance of the future" I've seen a few guy tinker with them...and get outstanding 0-60's instant torque and all. leaving spent plasma rather than smoke

Maybe the future will hold a bright spot for performance buffs. in the electrics
regardless if its government regulated.

*and its not Meth...its nitrous and adrenanline.
I also pilot a busa!:angel: if i post afterward...i'm still abit buzzing.