Automotive News, Media & Press - Lets HELP GM

What if we all bought GM shares as a show of support and financial backing. It could only help and if they pull out we might make a little money. If every Tech member bought 20 shares, think what an impact and what a statement it would make. In short, quit telling me how great your LSX is, and DO something for the company who brought it to you!!!

you want us to bump up your falling shares so you can sell before bankruptcy? No.

Assuming there was even enough purchasing power on this site to drive the price of their stock of course.

We did something for them, we have to pay for the bail out money they are taking now only to file bankruptcy later on and not have to pay it back. Chrysler just did the same thing. I expect Gm to do the same very soon.

We did something for them, we have to pay for the bail out money they are taking now only to file bankruptcy later on and not have to pay it back. Chrysler just did the same thing. I expect Gm to do the same very soon.
DITTO!! Chrysler doesn't have to pay back our tax money and GM is going to follow suit. Don't forget the $7.5B that GMAC just got. Yeah, I'd say we've helped them out plenty. Plus, 20 shares each Tech member?!? PLEASE!! GM stock closed at $1.43 on friday - that's only $28.60 per member. Do you really think that going to do anything??? LOL

Oh, and I did help out last year buying a 2008 HHR SS. What did you buy??

So your suggesting that we all make a horrible financial decision to show our support of a company that is being forced into bankruptcy? Time to wake up to reality my friend.

I have only ever owned GM cars my entire life.

Wasn't that support?

gee, why help THEM when they dont help ME?!

a few years ago i had a GTO that was having problems keeping the rear cradle aligned. i put BRAND NEW tires on the rear and had the rear cradle aligned and everything according to GM SPECS! in 5K miles or LESS the insides of my rear tires were BALD.

I'll shit in a box before i'll help GM out of anything.

LOL.. so look at these numbers...

133,216 Members as of 5/24/09 @ 2:15PM

$1.43 per share @ 20 shares per member = $28.60

Would come to a total of $3,809,977.60

3.8 million would barely phase the stock, let alone do anything to improve GM.

Hell, why would you want to give 3.8 million to GM, I can think of a lot of people/foundations that could use 3.8 million dollars.

Why should I give any more money to a company that can not manage its own debt... in the long run we (tax payers) are the ones who are going to be paying for their bankruptcy.

:twak:GM

I've supported GM all my life by buying their vehicles. Haven't bought a new vehicle that wasn't GM.

I've overlooked having to fix and upgrade rear axles, change out shocks by the end of warranty, change out engines before the end of warranty due to sleeves falling out, replace expensive injector and "distributor" assemblies, fix intake gaskets that split apart, and replace transfer case control modules & encoder motors.

I made the decision to buy GM vehicles based on the styling and powertrains, knowing full well that I would have to finish the engineering of the drivetrain. I'm doing all I can to support them. When it comes to my investment dollars, there are a few places I'll put my money before GM. Heck, on the eve of bankruptcy I think buying beer with the money would be a better investment. You know the current administration is going to force all stockholders, bondholders, and creditors to take pennies on the dollar like they are doing with Chrysler.

"Lets HELP GM"

Ok, I'll get a shovel and start digging a grave.

I would have maybe considered buying GM stock at one point.... but with their bankrupty all but certin..... I wouldn't buy it now.

In a bankrupty.... stockholders are LAST in line IF they were to actually go into a C7. (The stock at that point would be worthless. GM simply has too much debt for it to be worth anything if their C11 becomes a C7.)

And I don't think taxpayers should be sinking anymore into GM either.

Ford may surrvive IF it can stay out of bankruptcy... but as much as I hate to say it..... GM and Chrysler are almost certin to fail at this point.

you want to do GM a favor ?? Start protesting the UAW right infront of the the plants in michigan

Coup de Grace...


That is all...


Fuck GM.

LOL.. so look at these numbers...

133,216 Members as of 5/24/09 @ 2:15PM

$1.43 per share @ 20 shares per member = $28.60

Would come to a total of $3,809,977.60

3.8 million would barely phase the stock, let alone do anything to improve GM.

Hell, why would you want to give 3.8 million to GM, I can think of a lot of people/foundations that could use 3.8 million dollars.

Why should I give any more money to a company that can not manage its own debt... in the long run we (tax payers) are the ones who are going to be paying for their bankruptcy.

:twak:GM

Damn for that kind of money I could build a way nicer 6th gen Camaro...

What if we all bought GM shares as a show of support and financial backing. It could only help and if they pull out we might make a little money. If every Tech member bought 20 shares, think what an impact and what a statement it would make. In short, quit telling me how great your LSX is, and DO something for the company who brought it to you!!!

I have nothing to add to any of the other statements in this thread except this... :jest: :jest: :jest:

Send money to another government institution? No thanks.

you want to do GM a favor ?? Start protesting the UAW right infront of the the plants in michigan

That might have helped 30 years ago. Its too late now. Hopefully they do the smart thing and file Chapter 11 and come back stronger from it WITHOUT the UAW, but we can only hope.

If you bought money in stock it would all be gone... The CEO has clearly stated that bankruptcy is the only real option
bankruptcy = stocks gone
you = shafted

you want to do GM a favor ?? Start protesting the UAW right infront of the the plants in michigan

I hate the UAW. It was a good idea, right until they started paying a no diploma, no degree, ignorant guy the same wages as a freeking doctor to put A screw into hole B.

When unions stood up for the worker and the hours workers worked, that was grand. Now they screw the companies by arguing for outlandish wages they pay these people for doing the most simple mundane tasks.

I hate the UAW. It was a good idea, right until they started paying a no diploma, no degree, ignorant guy the same wages as a freeking doctor to put A screw into hole B.

When unions stood up for the worker and the hours workers worked, that was grand. Now they screw the companies by arguing for outlandish wages they pay these people for doing the most simple mundane tasks.

:eyes: People like you guys are ridiculous. You dont have the first clue what youre even talking about. I fail to see how $14hr is in any way shape comparable to a college educated wage. People like you seem to love this delusion of a world of CEOs and Board of Directors without any understanding or belief in the workers that build and produce tangible products in this country.People have to have money and we cant live in a world with out gas station workers or electricians or people to pick up garbage. They deserve to paid a living wage

I think the OP gets todays "Fail" award. Thanks for playing.

:eyes: People like you guys are ridiculous. You dont have the first clue what youre even talking about. I fail to see how $14hr is in any way shape comparable to a college educated wage. People like you seem to love this delusion of a world of CEOs and Board of Directors without any understanding or belief in the workers that build and produce tangible products in this country.People have to have money and we cant live in a world with out gas station workers or electricians or people to pick up garbage. They deserve to paid a living wage

um, actually there are people making 20+ an hour to do that job, and then retiring at 45 and drawing a retirement check for more years than they worked. Thanks for playing, but you still fail.

:eyes: People like you guys are ridiculous. You dont have the first clue what youre even talking about. I fail to see how $14hr is in any way shape comparable to a college educated wage. People like you seem to love this delusion of a world of CEOs and Board of Directors without any understanding or belief in the workers that build and produce tangible products in this country.People have to have money and we cant live in a world with out gas station workers or electricians or people to pick up garbage. They deserve to paid a living wage


You need to read up on what these guys make for putting in a dash, or putting on a fender per hour. Its truly is ridiculous, as you put it.

Making over $40 - $60 per hour, just to install a fender. Are those fair wages? Apparently the UAW doesn't think so becuase they are always fighting for more. I say the auto companies need to ditch the UAW out of their system and reset their wages to a reasonable level. $40 per hour to install a dash of fender is not a resonable level. Maybe $14 -$20 as you prescribed above is fair. But then, if they get a degree or further their education, they could move up to a managment position of some sort for about $25-$40 per hour, help pay for that degree and all. ;)

Otherwise, if they are just out of high school, or just off the street with no degree and only public education, paying minimum wage is definitely fair! After all, their education was given to them, they didn't have to pay for it. Now, out of public school, its time to work for your money kiddies. Mommy and daddy isn't going to be supporting you anymore and damn straight its nobodies responsibility in this country to support your lazy ass either. If you want to make the big bucks, take the motivation to get higher education then what was given to you. Don't fall back on your UNION to get your raise. Show your employer why you DESERVE a raise. One deserves a raise from good work, motivation, initiative and skill, NOT because they are a member of a UNION.

Unions are crap. One good idea gone horribly wrong and will end up being the fall of this country.

um, actually there are people making 20+ an hour to do that job, and then retiring at 45 and drawing a retirement check for more years than they worked. Thanks for playing, but you still fail.

I am one of them and they were making $20hr. You fail. Keep it up. Fact is we are the only American workers left with enough guts to stand up to the corporations while the rest beg and brown nose their way up the ladder. Unions didnt raise the cost of health care or the cost of living. We fight constantly for things that will ease the burden on business but people like you keep voting for people that want to keep the status quo and not fix health care which is the leading cause that is hurting the auto industry and all other industry

You need to read up on what these guys make for putting in a dash, or putting on a fender per hour. Its truly is ridiculous, as you put it.

Making over $40 - $60 per hour, just to install a fender. Are those fair wages? Apparently the UAW doesn't think so becuase they are always fighting for more. I say the auto companies need to ditch the UAW out of their system and reset their wages to a reasonable level. $40 per hour to install a dash of fender is not a resonable level. Maybe $14 -$20 as you prescribed above is fair. But then, if they get a degree or further their education, they could move up to a managment position of some sort for about $25-$40 per hour, help pay for that degree and all. ;)

Otherwise, if they are just out of high school, or just off the street with no degree and only public education, paying minimum wage is definitely fair! After all, their education was given to them, they didn't have to pay for it. Now, out of public school, its time to work for your money kiddies. Mommy and daddy isn't going to be supporting you anymore and damn straight its nobodies responsibility in this country to support your lazy ass either. If you want to make the big bucks, take the motivation to get higher education then what was given to you. Don't fall back on your UNION to get your raise. Show your employer why you DESERVE a raise. One deserves a raise from good work, motivation, initiative and skill, NOT because they are a member of a UNION.

Unions are crap. One good idea gone horribly wrong and will end up being the fall of this country.

I dont have to read up. I am UAW so why dont you stop with the facts optional ranting. The old tier scale paid workers that amount that have been their for years. Back in the days where you graduated and got a job unlike the spoiled brats today that think a college degree is a title of nobility. And anyone who doesnt have one is lazy

The new workers now hiring in, thanks to the new agreements, starts workers out at $14hr. You just made that $40-60 number up outta thin air and I have no doubt you've never liked unions for any real reason and therefore will tell any lie to prove your point. YOU FAIL

Back in the days where you graduated and got a job unlike the spoiled brats today that think a college degree is a title of nobility. And anyone who doesnt have one is lazy. YOU FAIL


God forbid people go to college to learn a skill or be educated :eyes:

nice try wannabess... blaim the educated/skilled, they are the ones causing this mess :jest:

unfortunately your the one crying about titles, your entitled/guaranteed nothing, so get a job and support your family and do the best you can. Its no one else's fault except your own, its about time Americans quit this entitlement crying BS... Pointing the finger at everyone else gets you nowhere.

YOU FAIL

God forbid people go to college to learn a skill or be educated :eyes:

nice try wannabess... blaim the educated/skilled, they are the ones causing this mess :jest:

unfortunately your the one crying about titles, your entitled/guaranteed nothing, so get a job and support your family and do the best you can. Its no one else's fault except your own, its about time Americans quit this entitlement crying BS... Pointing the finger at everyone else gets you nowhere.

YOU FAIL


Youre the ones attacking people with no college ed. Im 100% in favor of anyone going to college and I commend others that go on to better things then factory work. I did it, and I like doing what im doing in manufacturing. But when people start making absurd claims like workers earning a fair wage and health care and a pension as endangering GM and other auto co. out there I take offense. The UAW agreed years ago to cut wages of new hires to only 50% of what tier1 workers earned and guys like you still refuse to except that as reality due to your existing prejudices towards the UAW. Honestly, I have no problem bankrupting any corporation that profits on tossing workers overboard and receives aid from the govt. and takes all they can from workers

Youre the ones attacking people with no college ed. Im 100% in favor of anyone going to college and I commend others that go on to better things then factory work. I did it, and I like doing what im doing in manufacturing. But when people start making absurd claims like workers earning a fair wage and health care and a pension as endangering GM and other auto co. out there I take offense. The UAW agreed years ago to cut wages of new hires to only 50% of what tier1 workers earned and guys like you still refuse to except that as reality due to your existing prejudices towards the UAW. Honestly, I have no problem bankrupting any corporation that profits on tossing workers overboard and receives aid from the govt. and takes all they can from workers


YOU are the EXACT reason the unions survive... Please tell us NOT just your hourly wage but an ALL INCLUSIVE number INCLUDING healthcare(# of dependents), retirement pension and any other pertinent crap.

WHAT was that "hourly wage again?"

Oooo00ooooooohhhhhh... You forgot about that.


Come on buddy.... Be honest....

The vehicles NEED to get better fuel economy....WTF? are we looking at the outboard motor industry and how there was zero change for 40 years???

(Stoopid americans will keep buying this crap if it's all we build...)

Then the japs came... reed valves, oil injection, even 4 strokes!!!!!

Crap. let's just fold up the operation--- we can't compete..

America has a lot of DUMBASSES that chose NOT to stay ahead of the curve.... now they are left behind it....

unfortunately your the one crying about titles, your entitled/guaranteed nothing, so get a job and support your family and do the best you can. Its no one else's fault except your own, its about time Americans quit this entitlement crying BS... Pointing the finger at everyone else gets you nowhere.
YOU FAIL

He can't stop, you didn't look at his location........

"Coal Valley, IL"

Didn't Obama come from IL? Isn't he the one pushing socialism nationwide and Unions for everyone?!? Oh......yeah.

IL happens to be the capital of entitlement. All those people, almost worse then the Katrina victims talking about "their" payday, and "their" gov't checks, and "their" entitlements. I guess all those people just kind of forgot that people are entitled to nothing, nothing in this world belongs to them unless they work for it. But then again, thats how they were all raised, everything given to them so they are so used to that standard of living they feel it is their birthright to have these things, with or without any effort of their own.

Not saying everyone in these two particular places are like that, but sure does seem like MOST of the people feel that way, or so it seems.

:eyes: People like you guys are ridiculous. You dont have the first clue what youre even talking about. I fail to see how $14hr is in any way shape comparable to a college educated wage. People like you seem to love this delusion of a world of CEOs and Board of Directors without any understanding or belief in the workers that build and produce tangible products in this country.People have to have money and we cant live in a world with out gas station workers or electricians or people to pick up garbage. They deserve to paid a living wage

a job bank where you get paid for years on end if you aren't needed.

I am one of them and they were making $20hr. You fail. Keep it up. Fact is we are the only American workers left with enough guts to stand up to the corporations while the rest beg and brown nose their way up the ladder. Unions didnt raise the cost of health care or the cost of living. We fight constantly for things that will ease the burden on business but people like you keep voting for people that want to keep the status quo and not fix health care which is the leading cause that is hurting the auto industry and all other industry

20 an hour is really damn good here and not possible without a college degree but i dont know your cost of living so i am not judging

just putting that info out there

He can't stop, you didn't look at his location........

"Coal Valley, IL"

Didn't Obama come from IL? Isn't he the one pushing socialism nationwide and Unions for everyone?!? Oh......yeah.

IL happens to be the capital of entitlement. All those people, almost worse then the Katrina victims talking about "their" payday, and "their" gov't checks, and "their" entitlements. I guess all those people just kind of forgot that people are entitled to nothing, nothing in this world belongs to them unless they work for it. But then again, thats how they were all raised, everything given to them so they are so used to that standard of living they feel it is their birthright to have these things, with or without any effort of their own.

Not saying everyone in these two particular places are like that, but sure does seem like MOST of the people feel that way, or so it seems.

I didnt know this was a bad mouth katrnia victims thread but what ever. Just by your remarks alone I can see your not a very thoughtful person and exaggerate quiet terribly so Ill see that as reason enough youve got no real expertise on the subject and are just here to bad mouth 80,000 people you no nothing about. And I consider myself a midwesterner not some die hard illinois resident. Manufacturing is a huge industry and keeps towns alive up here so we will defend these jobs all we can

a job bank where you get paid for years on end if you aren't needed.

Those workers were put on community service for there time spent on the jobs bank program and each one of them hated it and would much rather be working in the plants, they didnt just sit at home and collect, thats not how it worked. And $28hr for the tier1 workers(hired in in the 1970s at $6hr). I cant speak for assemblers but I myself am a CNC Robotic welder and operator and worked quite hard to learn how to program and operate machinery. Did some college and training and think all of us are worth the $20 we make now. Im in favor of taxpayer based health care but too few with too much power make the decision so we will keep on our employer to pay our insurance and were not giving that up

You all Fail for copying my fail hahahaha.

Just remember, some high school educated person asked for something ($$$)and a dork with a degree said OK....who fails there ?? Some educated idiot thought it was fair to give it to them. If you walk up to me and hand me $100 I will take it and walk away....how hard is that to understand ??

You all Fail for copying my fail hahahaha.

Agreed :D

Just remember, some high school educated person asked for something ($$$)and a dork with a degree said OK....who fails there ?? Some educated idiot thought it was fair to give it to them. If you walk up to me and hand me $100 I will take it and walk away....how hard is that to understand ??

We dont ask we demand. Thats how it works. Most people think GM allows us to exist and we ask nicely for these things lol!

You guys suck. maybe you'll get put on restriction and I won't have to read your selfish and immature garbage. Sorry I ask. With fans like you guys, no wonder GM is going bankrupt!

You guys suck. maybe you'll get put on restriction and I won't have to read your selfish and immature garbage. Sorry I ask. With fans like you guys, no wonder GM is going bankrupt!


It's not OUR fault you still live at home....

You guys suck. maybe you'll get put on restriction and I won't have to read your selfish and immature garbage. Sorry I ask. With fans like you guys, no wonder GM is going bankrupt!

You got us all wrong. We LOVE GM, we don't like the UAW and feel they should spend more time letting GM run their company and less time lobbying for things in washington that give Unions more power over companies.

You guys suck. maybe you'll get put on restriction and I won't have to read your selfish and immature garbage. Sorry I ask. With fans like you guys, no wonder GM is going bankrupt!

It was just a really awful idea. You win some; you lose some.

I really LOVE GM well.... BUT I also SEE the handwriting on the wall at this point.

IF the UAW really cared.... they would be willing to accept an offer that is line with the GM debt holders. They won't and there is no reason GM debt holders should have to take less on a percentage basis than the UAW.

GM is going to go in to bankruptcy one day next week.... I am very doubtful of their long term survival at this point. :(

I think at this point if I was going to buy a car I would go Ford. I would have never thought that they would survive this debacle.

Union workers are way overpaid for the work they do....well should I say the work the machines basically do all of now days.....


I love it when union works bitch on the news about stuff.....bottom line is your job is not that hard and you are over paid....My dad who works at Lockheed (non union worker thank god) works as hard if not harder then the union workers there and gets piad less....just saying

Not saying I hate union's just hate how dam greedy and un willing to make reasonable deals they are.


I am with the rest, I love GM but the people running it into the ground should all be fired or had there head removed out of there asses...maybe GM would not be in the huge shit hole they are in.....

Well I think that we should put everything into perspective. I am pretty well up there in my years and have seen a lot of presidents come and go. I cannot ever remember that an outgoing President didn't leave some sort of recession onto the new President. Yes even Clinton left a recession to George W. Bush. George W. Bush left a recession onto Obama. Usually after a couple of months the new President brings everything into perspective and we get out of the recession. This is pretty much the norm. Obama came on board because of the help of the UAW and corrupt outfits like ACORN, SEIU and the other 268 plus organizations that all funnel money to the main headquarters which is ACORN. Does anyone really know where this money really comes from? It comes from WASHINGTON via us the taxpayers.This was incorporated in the very first Stimulus bill that Obama had to have passed in a HURRY otherwise we are going to fail. This Stimulus bill was designed to give people jobs. Ya Right. The only jobs that were made were in WASHINGTON. WHY? To payback the people that helped get him elected. This also included the UAW who supported him. This Acorn group, guess what? He was the Attorney that helped start the ACORN organization and all it's affiliates which we the taxpayers fund. Also the Stimulus bill was well over a 1,000 pages long and had to be passed in 5 days and which NOBODY even read. Not even Obama. Since when does the so called LEADER of our country NOT read a bill before he signs it? Evidently we have one now. Does anyone here sign a contract before they read it? I know that I sure as hell don't. I want to know what I am signing my name to. Obama came on board scaring everybody that THIS Stimulus bill had to be passed. Consequently people stopped spending. Because people stopped spending, not many cars were being sold. Chrysler and GM (now Government Motors) started to get in real deep trouble. Along came Obama and gave them money (our money) to bail them out. I should really say he wanted to save the UAW who helped get him elected. This is who he REALLY wanted to save. Then he went on to bail out our financial institutions like AIG. Again the taxpayers money. Obama could not let AIG fail. They gave him money to get him elected. The head of AIG was working for $1.00 a year. I believe his name was Mr. Liddy? He testified before Congress and was raked thru the coals. I myself would have told Obama that he can shove the job up his ass.
Now back to the Auto industry. He met with GM CEO Rick Wagoner and fired him. WTF? He was gone the next day. Fired. What this is ladies and gentlemen is nothing but a big power play at the expense of us the taxpayers. He is concentrating on large groups of people that helped get him into office. This is HIS payback to them. In turn he is hoping to get these same groups to help him get elected in 2012. POWER IS THE NAME OF THE GAME. Since when does the Government have to get involved in the Auto Industry and the financial institutions? That my friends is not the job of our government. The Auto industry and the financial institutions wouldn't be in this MESS if Obama didn't come on board and scare everyone. Because he scared everyone, people stopped spending. People stopped buying automobiles. People started watching how much they were traveling. Everyone started watching how much gas they were buying. It's a funny thing though, everyone used to blame George W. Bush for the gas prices going to well over $4.00 a gallon. They blamed him because he USED to own oil wells and these same critics figured that George W. Bush owed his allegiance to the oil industry. Has anyone noticed how the price of gas is increasing rapidly now. Guess what. George W. Bush is no longer our President. Ladies and gentlemen we are in some DEEP shit. What we have to do is get rid of Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, and Christopher Dodd. These are our real problems. And what does everyone think about the remark that Pelosi made? The CIA is lying to Congress. BOY, that is a nice CIA moral booster isn't it? Ladies & gentlemen it is now 3:30AM and I do have to get some sleep. The REAL problem is what we have now in the White House and some members of Congress. We are so far in debt that I really do not know when our grand children will be able to dig themselves out. It is only going to get worse. Oh, where are all of these jobs that the Stimulus bill was supposed to create? The only ones that I see is in Government. When Obama was campaigning at Caterpillar he specifically said that he was going to put back the jobs that Caterpillar had to lay off. Guess what? Obama got in. Caterpillar laid a whole lot more OFF. Where ARE THESE JOBS that the Great Mesiah was going to create? Sorry about this big rant of mine but I had to get this off of my chest. Obama and his Administration IS OUR PROBLEM. They MUST go.
Thanks for listening to me and I tried to put everything into perspective the way that I see it and I do follow Politics rather heavily.
Rich

^^^^

I agree.

Its a sad day in this nation when people look past the viewpoints and moral beliefs of a nominee, but instead vote based on the color of ones skin.

1/2 Kenyan
1/2 Caucasian

Think about it.

God I really hate when people call him the first African American Pres. His mom was white his dad was black, It would be different if both his folks were from Kenya. When will we have the first German American President?

God I really hate when people call him the first African American Pres. His mom was white his dad was black, It would be different if both his folks were from Kenya. When will we have the first German American President?

lol....we just had some German Heritage Presidents......

Presidents with maternal German ancestry include Richard Milhous Nixon (Nixon's maternal ancestors were Germans who anglicized Melhausen to Milhous).[52] Other presidents with one or more German ancestors include John Tyler, George W. Bush, George H. W. Bush, and Theodore Roosevelt.

Ole, "tricky dick" was of German decent. How bout some Irish Presidents?

The first, iirc, was Andrew Jackson, followed by James K Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Chester Arthur, William McKinley, Woodrow Wilson and Harry S Truman. Ronald Reagan was of Catholic Irish ancestry (originally O'Reagan) but his family converted to Protestantism after moving to America.

I think we could use a few more Protestant Irish Presidents IMO. After all, the last president that did the MOST for the country was Protestant Irish, why not get another one?:D

[QUOTE=ToBiN!;11667662]lol....we just had some German Heritage Presidents.....

But when we will start saying they are our First German American, Irish American, Polish American Pres????

Careful.... this thread will get closed for being too political.

My 1500th POST!!!!!!!! :cheers:

^^^^

I agree.

Its a sad day in this nation when people look past the viewpoints and moral beliefs of a nominee, but instead vote based on the color of ones skin.

1/2 Kenyan
1/2 Caucasian

Think about it.

I think you can hardly speak for people that voted for Obama and I dont think thats the direction this thread needs to head in

Union workers are way overpaid for the work they do....well should I say the work the machines basically do all of now days.....


I love it when union works bitch on the news about stuff.....bottom line is your job is not that hard and you are over paid....My dad who works at Lockheed (non union worker thank god) works as hard if not harder then the union workers there and gets piad less....just saying

Not saying I hate union's just hate how dam greedy and un willing to make reasonable deals they are.


I am with the rest, I love GM but the people running it into the ground should all be fired or had there head removed out of there asses...maybe GM would not be in the huge shit hole they are in.....

What deals have we not been agreeable on? Im just curious. How bout we hear some facts to support your claim. Pay, benefits, agreements, and how bout ya tell us about this machinery that does all the work to? You seem to have quite a headstrong opinion.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/29/autos/uaw_changes/index.htm?postversion=2009052905

Yup let's cry for the UAW its not like they got superior benefits to like half the nation and got ~28 dollars an hour for wages.

With insurance factored in its probably more like 35 or more dollars an hour,

$0.88 cents on the day before bankruptcy I wouldn't be surprised if it hits $0.10 by Monday. I think I have helped GM enough by only buying from them, and what do I have to show for it? 4 cars worth F*%K ALL that have a host of problems with each. What goes around comes around!

The shares could be worthless once GM goes into bankruptcy probably on Monday June 1. I've lost all shares of my Circle K stock when they went into bankruptcy a few years back.

What if we all bought GM shares as a show of support and financial backing. It could only help and if they pull out we might make a little money. If every Tech member bought 20 shares, think what an impact and what a statement it would make. In short, quit telling me how great your LSX is, and DO something for the company who brought it to you!!!

20 shares? LMFAO!!!!! best laugh i've had in a while.

I wonder how silly Slowec feels right now.

I wonder how silly Slowec feels right now.

We all make stupid posts once in a while man :D

What if we all bought GM shares as a show of support and financial backing. It could only help and if they pull out we might make a little money. If every Tech member bought 20 shares, think what an impact and what a statement it would make. In short, quit telling me how great your LSX is, and DO something for the company who brought it to you!!!

Is this a joke or are you just an idiot?


Sorry, didn't mean to offend you.

You need to read up on what these guys make for putting in a dash, or putting on a fender per hour. Its truly is ridiculous, as you put it.

Making over $40 - $60 per hour, just to install a fender. Are those fair wages? Apparently the UAW doesn't think so becuase they are always fighting for more. I say the auto companies need to ditch the UAW out of their system and reset their wages to a reasonable level. $40 per hour to install a dash of fender is not a resonable level. Maybe $14 -$20 as you prescribed above is fair. But then, if they get a degree or further their education, they could move up to a managment position of some sort for about $25-$40 per hour, help pay for that degree and all. ;)

Otherwise, if they are just out of high school, or just off the street with no degree and only public education, paying minimum wage is definitely fair! After all, their education was given to them, they didn't have to pay for it. Now, out of public school, its time to work for your money kiddies. Mommy and daddy isn't going to be supporting you anymore and damn straight its nobodies responsibility in this country to support your lazy ass either. If you want to make the big bucks, take the motivation to get higher education then what was given to you. Don't fall back on your UNION to get your raise. Show your employer why you DESERVE a raise. One deserves a raise from good work, motivation, initiative and skill, NOT because they are a member of a UNION.

Unions are crap. One good idea gone horribly wrong and will end up being the fall of this country.

agreed, for the crazy money GM has been paying its unionized workers... you'd think the fender to door gaps in my fourth gen would at least look like they were aligned properly. Truth of the matter for years those union assholes have been fucking not only the company, but apparently america as well. When GM is under 6 feet, I won't hop aboard the Ford train either, I will buy a new pair of Nike's.

^^Like I said in another thread, this will soon catch up to the gov't too, they are just as bad as the big three were with the UAW. Full benefits, full insurance, etc. and work like fat pigs, there are three people doing the job that one person could easily do. The US Gov't doesn't have a leg to stand on when they go around telling the big three they did wrong, they are just as bad and they will feel the hurt sooner than they think. I worked for the state for 3 years before i finally got sick of the bullshit and just plan lazy people at the NYSDOT. I have to work for my retirement and invest for my retirement, I also have to pay for my benefits, let them do like the rest of the US does, nobody should get full benefits when they retire, that is just ludicrous

agreed, for the crazy money GM has been paying its unionized workers... you'd think the fender to door gaps in my fourth gen would at least look like they were aligned properly. Truth of the matter for years those union assholes have been fucking not only the company, but apparently america as well. When GM is under 6 feet, I won't hop aboard the Ford train either, I will buy a new pair of Nike's.

Yes, living wages, health insurance, and retirement plans are real screw jobs on behalf of American workers. Nothing more pathetic then one worker telling another what they are worth in society. And even better the "hard" worker proclaiming everyone else but themselves are lazy. That one never gets old.

You want to know whos been screwing GM? Look in the mirror first, then your govt 2nd. We're not giving up health care because our govt says its"too hard":cry:to fix. That makes up an enormous cost. And how bout the millions of dollars to CEOs and execs and all the other bonuses taken home by salary for a job terribly done. Want to see GM minus the UAW go down to Mexico and see a brand new factory with no parking lot because the workers dont earn enough to even afford a car.

Everybody has an opinion... Can't take that away.

"Lets HELP GM"

Ok, I'll get a shovel and start digging a grave.

You don't have to. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd & Harry Reid have already began to dig our graves WITH THE HELP OF THE UAW. A neighbor of mine worked for Bendix Corporation in Teaneck, NJ. They are or should I say were a supplier for Government Motors. He and his wife both worked for Bendix and retired from there. Both are getting lucrative pensions from Bendix. They both belong to a Union. Yes you guessed it the UAW. Just yesterday on their way back from a union meeting they stopped at my house and told me that Bendix Corporation has shut down, closed the doors and laid off the remaining 130 employees. The way that I look at it the UAW is screwing other UAW members. Of course he will not admit that he voted for Obama and made a mistake.
So 1970 CamaroRS put away your shovel. The grave is already being dug for you and all the rest of us that that didn't support the great Mesiah. This administration is all about POWER and is going to control everything that we do. He is even going to tell us what kind of cars we have to drive. And if we don't want to drive the cars that he wants us to, he will raise the price of gas by way of taxes in order to force us to drive more efficient cars.
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This is the end.... my only friend, the end....

Let the UAW die and then we can support GM...until then GM can eat shit and go bankrupt.

W

You don't have to. Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd & Harry Reid have already began to dig our graves WITH THE HELP OF THE UAW. A neighbor of mine worked for Bendix Corporation in Teaneck, NJ. They are or should I say were a supplier for Government Motors. He and his wife both worked for Bendix and retired from there. Both are getting lucrative pensions from Bendix. They both belong to a Union. Yes you guessed it the UAW. Just yesterday on their way back from a union meeting they stopped at my house and told me that Bendix Corporation has shut down, closed the doors and laid off the remaining 130 employees. The way that I look at it the UAW is screwing other UAW members. Of course he will not admit that he voted for Obama and made a mistake.
So 1970 CamaroRS put away your shovel. The grave is already being dug for you and all the rest of us that that didn't support the great Mesiah. This administration is all about POWER and is going to control everything that we do. He is even going to tell us what kind of cars we have to drive. And if we don't want to drive the cars that he wants us to, he will raise the price of gas by way of taxes in order to force us to drive more efficient cars.
Rich


The UAW didnt shut their doors down. They were once profiting businesses that can no longer turn a profit because American business brain washed people like you to believe that cheaper is better and investment is the wave of the future rather then work. People like you in turn voted for people that passed legislation to aid companies that take our jobs over seas and agree to unfair trade policies. What comical is that you actually have gull to blame american workers for this.

Why should I give any more money to a company that can not manage its own debt... in the long run we (tax payers) are the ones who are going to be paying for their bankruptcy.

:twak:GM

Was reading an article the other day saying that the bankruptcy will end up costing the tax payer's roughly 60 billion dollars. Funny thing is they were asking for less than that and would have been able to pay it back since most of the changes this "bankruptcy" is enforcing were already taking place.

This is the end.... my only friend, the end....

Random, but the Camaro really loves listening to the Doors

The UAW didnt shut their doors down. They were once profiting businesses that can no longer turn a profit because American business brain washed people like you to believe that cheaper is better and investment is the wave of the future rather then work. People like you in turn voted for people that passed legislation to aid companies that take our jobs over seas and agree to unfair trade policies. What comical is that you actually have gull to blame american workers for this.

WannabessOO, first of all did I say that the UAW shut their doors down? 2nd of all NOBODY INCLUDING YOU brainwashes me. The UAW WAS BRAINWASHED BY OBAMA. Had the great Mesiah left the auto industry alone they still would have gone into bankruptcy but would have reorganized under Chapter 11. What the hell kind of Government takes over the Auto Industry, the Financial Institutions and the Insurance industries? Obama came on board and scared everyone and said that the Stimulus Bill had to be passed and Congress had to do it in 5 days. NOBODY including Obama even read the entire Stimulus Bill. Then Obama even fired the CEO of the now Government Motors over night. You sir tell me what right the Government has in running a private industry? What right does the Government have in appointing approximately 20 so called CZARS and even this number is climbing on a daily basis. Yes he is creating jobs. In Government is where he is creating them so he can have control and the more jobs he creates the better chance he has of winning in 2012. The name of the game is POWER. Besides isn't the title CZARS what is used in a Communist Country? Besides who do you think is paying for these so called CZARS? Just in case you don't know who is paying for these CZARS let me tell you. WE ARE and SO ARE OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN going to pay in the future. And I am sorry to say YOU WILL ALSO be paying. Obviously YOU are happy with the way the country is running now that the anointed one is in. YOU are happy that you are on that freight train to disaster. Well I will tell you that I am not happy with this Government. I am not happy with a so called Leader of our once Great Country that lies to the American people. I am not happy with a Speaker OF The House that says that the CIA lied to her. You probably think that remark by Pelosi was a moral booster. Well I do not. You also probably are in agreement that the GITMO detainees should be released. Well I am in agreement with that as long as they are released in Obama's neighborhood, Pelosi's neighborhood, Biden's neighborhood (After all that would be the Patriotic thing to do wouldn't it)?. Yes and since you are such a great supporter of the Great One some should also be released in your neighborhood. Hey what the hell you can always make friends with them. You might even talk them into joining the UAW. The worse thing that can happen is that they will only come back and kill you. No big deal though.If you like the way our Government is taking us on a freight train to disaster so be it. You wanted CHANGE? YOU GOT IT. BIG TIME. If you like living in a country that the the Administration hasn't any respect for our Military or even us the American people ,fine. You have your ideals and I have mine. I want to live in a country that the Government isn't telling us what we HAVE TO DO, what we HAVE TO DRIVE, who they can fire (Rick Wagoner comes to mind) and one that doesn't tell the Banks, Insurance Industry, and the states that they HAVE to take the Bailout money. Isn't this what they call EXTORTION? Then when the Banking Industry wants to pay back this Bailout money the Federal Government says that they can't pay it back. Oh, I almost forgot. Now Obama, your great Mesiah wants to tax the poor ole Farmers that have cattle that farts. WTF? Now, do you know why the UAW is getting such a bad rap? They are the ones that got together and backed Obama. Now you are the one that is pissed off because the UAW is getting criticism. You really don't care about all the hard working people, the Military that protects YOUR ASS and mine, the CIA that extracts info from the TERRORISTS in order to protect your ass. All you are concerned about is is sticking up for Obama and the UAW. You Sir are like a race horse with blinders on. (Trotter) You can figure for yourself what part of the horse you are. Have a nice day.
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[QUOTE=TURBO BUICK;11753369]WannabessOO, first of all did I say that the UAW shut their doors down? 2nd of all NOBODY INCLUDING YOU brainwashes me. The UAW WAS BRAINWASHED BY OBAMA. Had the great Mesiah left the auto industry alone they still would have gone into bankruptcy but would have reorganized under Chapter 11. What the hell kind of Government takes over the Auto Industry, the Financial Institutions and the Insurance industries? Obama came on board and scared everyone and said that the Stimulus Bill had to be passed and Congress had to do it in 5 days. NOBODY including Obama even read the entire Stimulus Bill. Then Obama even fired the CEO of the now Government Motors over night. You sir tell me what right the Government has in running a private industry? What right does the Government have in appointing approximately 20 so called CZARS and even this number is climbing on a daily basis. Yes he is creating jobs. In Government is where he is creating them so he can have control and the more jobs he creates the better chance he has of winning in 2012. The name of the game is POWER. Besides isn't the title CZARS what is used in a Communist Country? Besides who do you think is paying for these so called CZARS? Just in case you don't know who is paying for these CZARS let me tell you. WE ARE and SO ARE OUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN going to pay in the future. And I am sorry to say YOU WILL ALSO be paying. Obviously YOU are happy with the way the country is running now that the anointed one is in. YOU are happy that you are on that freight train to disaster. Well I will tell you that I am not happy with this Government. I am not happy with a so called Leader of our once Great Country that lies to the American people. I am not happy with a Speaker OF The House that says that the CIA lied to her. You probably think that remark by Pelosi was a moral booster. Well I do not. You also probably are in agreement that the GITMO detainees should be released. Well I am in agreement with that as long as they are released in Obama's neighborhood, Pelosi's neighborhood, Biden's neighborhood (After all that would be the Patriotic thing to do wouldn't it)?. Yes and since you are such a great supporter of the Great One some should also be released in your neighborhood. Hey what the hell you can always make friends with them. You might even talk them into joining the UAW. The worse thing that can happen is that they will only come back and kill you. No big deal though.If you like the way our Government is taking us on a freight train to disaster so be it. You wanted CHANGE? YOU GOT IT. BIG TIME. If you like living in a country that the the Administration hasn't any respect for our Military or even us the American people ,fine. You have your ideals and I have mine. I want to live in a country that the Government isn't telling us what we HAVE TO DO, what we HAVE TO DRIVE, who they can fire (Rick Wagoner comes to mind) and one that doesn't tell the Banks, Insurance Industry, and the states that they HAVE to take the Bailout money. Isn't this what they call EXTORTION? Then when the Banking Industry wants to pay back this Bailout money the Federal Government says that they can't pay it back. Oh, I almost forgot. Now Obama, your great Mesiah wants to tax the poor ole Farmers that have cattle that farts. WTF? Now, do you know why the UAW is getting such a bad rap? They are the ones that got together and backed Obama. Now you are the one that is pissed off because the UAW is getting criticism. You really don't care about all the hard working people, the Military that protects YOUR ASS and mine, the CIA that extracts info from the TERRORISTS in order to protect your ass. All you are concerned about is is sticking up for Obama and the UAW. You Sir are like a race horse with blinders on. (Trotter) You can figure for yourself what part of the horse you are. Have a nice day.
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AMEN you should run for senate!

Any of you thinking GM would have reorganized under chapter 11 without government assistance is just flat WRONG. There is NO ONE that could/would have been willing to take such a risk. GM's debt was simply too large for anyone else to have done so.

With out the government asistance.... GM would have been forced into chapter 7.

If the economy wasn't as bad as it is.... Bush would have let GM fail back in November.

Of course IF the economy wasn't as bad as it is.... GM may not have needed help... they had started to turn the company around just when the ecconomny went bust and credit dried up.

BTW.... it isn't just GM and Chrysler.... Even Toyota has losses. Ford is still bleeding $$$$$$$$$$ and will soon be at the bailout trough IF things don't improve soon.... which there hasn't been any improvement of any real measure in the economy.

I'm hardly blinded by the messiah.... but without government assistant GM would be history.

I don't have a problem with the US government loaning GM money BUT the BAD news here is all the meddling that Obama is doing. It's going to result in a new GM making fuel efficient cars that no one will want. :(

I don't have anything against fuel efficient cars.... but when they turn out to be the sorry pieces of :turd: I know they will.... well.... let's say we will see GM bailout 3.0 somewhere in the near future.

GM will be on government life support from this point forward.

Any of you thinking GM would have reorganized under chapter 11 without government assistance is just flat WRONG.

They were in process of reorganizing the entire structure of GM long before the economy took a dive. The first CTS back in 2003 was the beginning of GM's turnaround, and granted they weren't making money yet, but they were losing less. Had they gotten the bailout this year, when the UAW took over retirement fees next year, they may have never needed a bailout at all. However those are all if when scenario's and the reality is GM and Chrysler have declared bankruptcy, and until further notice belong to Obama's cabinet. Buh bye cars that will sell, hello to more Cavalier clones.

Wabmorgan, I really don't have that much of a problem with our government loaning GM money in order to help them succeed in building the automobiles that we want to drive, but I do have a problem when our government gives bailout money to them and because of GM taking that money Obama can come in and OVERNIGHT fire Rick Wagoner who was the CEO. That is where I have a problem. Our government is now dictating every thing in our lifes. They are firing CEO'S, telling us what we have to drive, telling our hard working farmers that if their cattle expels gas they are considering a $20 tax per head if they have a cow or horse that blows a fart. This is a government that is totally out of control. I remember back years ago our government gave a loan to Chrysler and under the leadership of Lee Iacocca pulled Chrysler out of a financial mess. But at the same time the government didn't go in and start firing the CEO of Chrysler like Obama did with GM. He is flying all over the world on his "APOLOGY TOUR". He is telling Communistic countries like Venezuela that we should have treated them differently. Why doesn't he go over to North Korea now and tell Kim Jon Il how sorry he is on how the USA is treating North Korea? Obama would be lucky if he made it out of North Korea alive.
Now Wabmorgan I gather that you are presently serving in the Military since you are stationed on the USS Enterprise. I wish to thank you and every other man and woman that is serving in the Military and keeping all of us safe here at home. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU GOES OUT TO YOU AND EVERY MAN AND WOMAN SERVING IN OUR MILITARY. I just wish that our present administration had the same respect for our Military like President George W. Bush had. Whether a person liked President George W. Bush or not NOBODY can't say that he didn't respect our Military. You and all the men and women in the Military are always in my prayers.Stay safe Buddy.
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I dont have to read up. I am UAW so why dont you stop with the facts optional ranting. The old tier scale paid workers that amount that have been their for years. Back in the days where you graduated and got a job unlike the spoiled brats today that think a college degree is a title of nobility. And anyone who doesnt have one is lazy

The new workers now hiring in, thanks to the new agreements, starts workers out at $14hr. You just made that $40-60 number up outta thin air and I have no doubt you've never liked unions for any real reason and therefore will tell any lie to prove your point. YOU FAIL

I've seen you deny claims over and over regarding pay rates. Post up what a UAW worker earns per hour, but include all the shit that normal people don't get for free (health care, pension, etc.). I guarantee it isn't the $14/hour you are claiming it is.

Yes, the average worker takes a hit on their earnings to pay for medical insurance. You don't. The average worker has to contribute part of their gross or net earnings (depending on the plan) to a retirement plan. You don't. I work in the office for a union electrician shop, and I know their pay is much higher than the $30/hour a journeyman sees on his/her paycheck... :eyes:

And in an attempt to stay slightly on topic, the OP is absolutely brilliant. I sincerely hope he reproduces on a massive scale so this country can become populated with brilliant people like him.

Chevydan, thanks for having faith in me. I worked in County Government and rose up through the ranks by way of Civil Service tests. The only way that I could have gone to a higher position is by getting involved in Politics. I ran a Department of about 150 sworn officers. I had a budget that I had to follow. We could not go over that budget unless we had a damn good reason and even then it had to be approved by the higher ups. When times were bad we had to tighten our belts. We did not go on a "Wild Spending Spree" like Obama did within his first 2 months. This is why everyone is so scared to go out and buy major items like cars, trucks, furniture, homes etc. Consequently you have small and even large business' closing shop or going out of business altogether. We are in sad shape and don't really know what is in our future and that is why people are hanging onto what money they have. I would love to go out and buy a new Cadillac CTS-V or even the new 2010 Camaro SS but I won't.
Sorry about my ranting. Getting back to your original comment on me running for Senator. Not my bag. I cannot be a phony and go around kissing babies and telling the parents how pretty their babies are etc. I tell it as I see it, like it or not. Even with some members of my own family. Politicians like to tell people what they think the people would like to hear in order to get elected even though they are going to do entirely the opposite. Obama definitely falls into this category. Thanks for your confidence in me.
Rich

i dont get into a whole lot of technical stuff...statts and all..but as far as chrysler is concerned...has anybody priced a new 4x4 dodge ram quad cab? **necessity up here in ft.drum with 4 kids* a NEW one's window sticker is just a shade over 40K !!!! i mean WTF?
We all know that the economy blows..seriously just go look in the For Sale section..cars that were going for 12K+ are now lucky to scrape 8K...EVERYBODY is hurting..EVERYBODY!!
So what will it take for the BIG THREE to get it through their damn heads that when the economy BLOWS as it currently does..that those of us who work our balls off to get by or maby get ahead a LITTLE bit..simply CANNOT AFFORD to go out and spend $40K on a damn truck...or Challenger...or SS Camaro...sure we all would love to be able to afford one..we all want whats best for our families and to provide better..but how the hell can they bitch about repeated slumping sales when the economy has gone to shit..and they are charging half the price of a HOME for A SINGLE VEHICLE????
I dont blame anybody individually for this economy...but jesus THEY NEEED to SELL new Cars and Trucks...but we simply cannot afford them with the current cost of living and GAS PRICES!!!!
what ever happinned to a good solid vehicle car/truck for a good price? i'm sorry but as long as the big three are asking that kinda money for a base model 4x4 quad cab truck they are going to continue to lose business and sales will fall...and gas prices need to come back down so we can afford to go places and do things with our families and friends. Yes we all need reliable vehicles but damnit man i dont know too many people who can just up and pony up 40K for a damn truck or an SS ...and if you could afford one you cant afford the damn fuel to go anywhere in it..
I personally will not buy anything else other than GM or DODGE..not in the land of 4x4's anyways..my cars ie: fun will always be GM..but this whole bankruptcy shit is on them...this whole website is a loyal following and there are other websites out there that are GM specific as it is..we have been supporting GM for a hell of a long time...not to mention all the aftermarket companies who have taken their time and money for R&D to help the GM products along so that we all can go out and enjoy the vehicles that much love..I love my GM's i always have and always will..but the current economy we are in simply does not allow for us to back them financially with purchases...when they want your freakin kidney for a vehicle and then expect you to sell off your liver for gas to drive it..it simply does not make any damn sense to me...

Black FormulaLS1, Buddy I feel for you because you are definitely not alone. People do not know if they are going to have a job. Everyone is on edge and just does not want to spend money especially if they are not sure of having a job. Now that Chrysler has dropped 779 Franchises and GM is dropping almost half of their Franchises you are not going to have the competition that you once had. You had dealers that were close together that would actually compete against each other as far as price goes. In order to stop that competition the manufacturers are dropping dealerships that are close together. There isn't going to be this competition. The dealers figure that if you want the car, there it is. Here is the price.They figure that you aren't going to drive that extra 35 or 40 miles to the next dealership. We are in a sad, sad mess. What is the solution? For starters, Get Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd out of office. They aren't looking out for you. They are looking out for themselves. My wife will actually shut the TV off when Obama or Speaker of the House Pelosi is on for fear that I may get too excited and bust this heart aneurysm that I have. I have never,ever been this way no matter what political party is in office but we are near the bottom of the pits right now. EVERYBODY is complaining. Republicans and Democrats alike. We are in a dictatorship right now. Good luck to you Buddy but you are not alone.
Rich

We are in a sad, sad mess. What is the solution? For starters, Get Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd out of office.

^^^^Agreed.... best words I've seen here in awhile.

Wabmorgan, I really don't have that much of a problem with our government loaning GM money in order to help them succeed in building the automobiles that we want to drive, but I do have a problem when our government gives bailout money to them and because of GM taking that money Obama can come in and OVERNIGHT fire Rick Wagoner who was the CEO. That is where I have a problem. Our government is now dictating every thing in our lifes. They are firing CEO'S, telling us what we have to drive, telling our hard working farmers that if their cattle expels gas they are considering a $20 tax per head if they have a cow or horse that blows a fart. This is a government that is totally out of control. I remember back years ago our government gave a loan to Chrysler and under the leadership of Lee Iacocca pulled Chrysler out of a financial mess. But at the same time the government didn't go in and start firing the CEO of Chrysler like Obama did with GM. He is flying all over the world on his "APOLOGY TOUR". He is telling Communistic countries like Venezuela that we should have treated them differently. Why doesn't he go over to North Korea now and tell Kim Jon Il how sorry he is on how the USA is treating North Korea? Obama would be lucky if he made it out of North Korea alive.
Now Wabmorgan I gather that you are presently serving in the Military since you are stationed on the USS Enterprise. I wish to thank you and every other man and woman that is serving in the Military and keeping all of us safe here at home. A GREAT BIG THANK YOU GOES OUT TO YOU AND EVERY MAN AND WOMAN SERVING IN OUR MILITARY. I just wish that our present administration had the same respect for our Military like President George W. Bush had. Whether a person liked President George W. Bush or not NOBODY can't say that he didn't respect our Military. You and all the men and women in the Military are always in my prayers.Stay safe Buddy.
Rich

I wish I could take the credit you put forth there.... but I am not serving on the USS Enterprise. That's just support for the new STAR TREK movie. :lol:

I do however support our military and do agree that President George W. Bush had great respect for our military. :usa: I think it is sad :( we have someone as President now that certainly doesn't have that kind of respect.

I also agree Obama meddling in GM's business is not a good thing. I think it likely his meddling is likely to produce cars that are sorry pieces of :turd: that people won't want and I fear for the future of the Corvette and any other performance models. :(

[QUOTE=wabmorgan;11758232]I wish I could take the credit you put forth there.... but I am not serving on the USS Enterprise. That's just support for the new STAR TREK movie. :lol:

HA Ha Ha, wabmorgan, you fooled me on that one. I bust my gut laughing on that one.

Irregardless we should all support the men and women in the Military and not undermine their moral like Pelosi wants to do by releasing the pictures of how we extract information from the terrorists. That woman is a nut case along with all the others that I mentioned previously.
Now we are supposed to give any terrorists that are arrested their Miranda Rights. Next she will want to give the Gitmo Detainees Surf& Turf a couple times a week. Like I stated earlier this is a Government that is totally out of control. We got the CHANGE that some people wanted all right. A Government that is all about POWER, Very Sad.
Thanks for supporting our troops. Much appreciated.
Rich

Thanks for supporting our troops. Much appreciated.
Rich

Always have.... Always will. :usa:

We have two problems guys, people want something for nothing and our main source of fuel's price is like guessing how Rex Grossman is going to play or who Paris Hilton is banging.

It's a crapshoot. Yeah I know the housing bubble popped yadda yadda yadda yadda......

We have the technology to solve our problems. But we can't implement them. We've got too many whiny babies that are scared. We've got too many politicians getting padded pockets and we've got too many uninformed constituents.

Take Nuclear energy. Raises red flags. First thing you hear is "Not in my backyard!!!". So a coal fired one is fine? We have not really built reactors since the 70s. Just one here and there. RETARDED.

Designs have been proposed that could push new plants efficiency levels much much higher than currently operating plants, many of which are older than most of us. "Overall, nuclear power produces far less waste material than fossil-fuel based power plants. Coal-burning plants are particularly noted for producing large amounts of toxic and mildly radioactive ash due to concentrating naturally occurring metals and radioactive material from the coal. Contrary to popular belief, coal power actually results in more radioactive waste being released into the environment than nuclear power. The population effective dose equivalent from radiation from coal plants is 100 times as much as nuclear plants."

What about that waste stuff??? Its not THAT dangerous. Don't take Chernobyl as the only example. "The World Nuclear Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Nuclear_Association) provides a comparison of deaths due to accidents among different forms of energy production. In their comparison, deaths per TW-yr of electricity produced from 1970 to 1992 are quoted as 885 for hydropower, 342 for coal, 85 for natural gas, and 8 for nuclear."

And don't even get me started on fusion. If we managed to solve the problems with fusion there is enough fuel to last at LEAST thousands of years possibly BILLIONS. Yes that is BILLIONS. And it's waste products half life is measured in decades not thousands.

We can't count on Oil guys, plain and simple. No matter where it comes from us or them. We need to count on one thing. Our technical know how and balls to implement it. And we've let anxiety prone pussies and short term economic goals run the show. Think of oil as a finite resource and then you realize why COUNTING ON IT FOR SOO MUCH IS STUPID.

If we made electricity cheap and consistent enough, whether that be fission or fusion or whatever, we could AFFORD to use electrolysis and get hydrogen from water to fuel our needs.

Us hotrodders could easily retrofit what we have.

So if you want performance anything, you need cheap fuel, and oil isn't going to be cheap for long. So what's it going to be guys?

:soapbox:

And yes support the troops

Edit: BTW I don't like all the nonsense Obama is doing but he did do one thing right appointing a nobel prize winning scientist at the helm of the energy department. He co won the prize in 1997 and NEARLY won it in the 80s. We need smart people that will weigh the pros and cons of everything and will do something right.

I mean christ Bush had Bodman. Bodman led a Texas based company (Cabot) that was DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO OIL refining (chemical company) and managed to make it on the top five worst polluters list for years. If you guys don't smell the bullshit in that you are blind.

I also agree Obama meddling in GM's business is not a good thing.

Meddling? That's an interesting choice of words. Do you recall GM begging for money from the government recently? It's not like the government went to GM and weaseled their way into things.

Meddling? That's an interesting choice of words. Do you recall GM begging for money from the government recently? It's not like the government went to GM and weaseled their way into things.

Next time you get a loan they should tell how you can spend it, where you can spend, and fire your wife because she isn't up to snuff for them too I suppose? Slightly far fetched, but not too far off from what our government is trying to do.

why would you want to invite all the members on this site to lose money.....what a duche

Next time you get a loan they should tell how you can spend it, where you can spend, and fire your wife because she isn't up to snuff for them too I suppose? Slightly far fetched, but not too far off from what our government is trying to do.

I'm pretty sure if you get a car loan you have to buy a car. And they check loan to value ratio.

I'm pretty sure if you get a home loan you have to buy a house. And they check loan to value ratio.

Business loans....same.

You don't get loans without technically giving the items to a bank. So the how and where is there.

Student loans are to go for student expenses etc............

Personal loan is about the only thing besides credit cards that you can buy whatever and guess what.......the rates are ginormous.

And the last time I checked when a single investor (government in this case) owns enough stock in the company (60%) they have enough power to do what they want with the company. It's called being the controlling interest. Has happened many times in plain ole business. So the fire is there too.

Would you rather GM get huge hand outs with no stipulations and be able to reimburse ceo's with multi-million dollar bonuses or something similar? :bang:

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And the last time I checked when a single investor (government in this case) owns enough stock in the company (60%) they have enough power to do what they want with the company. It's called being the controlling interest. Has happened many times in plain ole business. So the fire is there too.


Since the US Government borrowed the money from China for all these bailouts I would say that China owns GM & Chrysler ????

Rich

Next time you get a loan they should tell how you can spend it, where you can spend, and fire your wife because she isn't up to snuff for them too I suppose? Slightly far fetched, but not too far off from what our government is trying to do.

That's not a loan. It's government ownership in a public company. Big difference. Maybe the bailout was sold to the public as a loan, but it's certainly not since none of that money will ever be returned. I don't agree with what's going on, but that's the reality of it.

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And the last time I checked when a single investor (government in this case) owns enough stock in the company (60%) they have enough power to do what they want with the company. It's called being the controlling interest. Has happened many times in plain ole business. So the fire is there too.


Since the US Government borrowed the money from China for all these bailouts I would say that China owns GM & Chrysler ????

Rich

Well, your opening another can of worms altogether. At the end of 2006, foreigners held 44% of federal debt held by the public. And since China owns 24% (Japan has 20%) of that 44% pie it's still not a controlling interest :huh:

Interesting fact for you. As of right now our debt level is at 82% gross domestic product. In 1950 it was 94% GDP. Our projected is going to be al least 100% in 2010-2019.

Until we do something about entitlement programs (medicare, proposed health care) we will have ever increasing debt problem. Currently more than 16% of all of our income taxes go to paying on debt.

So we need to do two things. Reform entitlement programs and solve the energy problem like I said above.

Would you rather GM get huge hand outs with no stipulations and be able to reimburse ceo's with multi-million dollar bonuses or something similar? :bang:

Why not, the banks did. And like I said that was a little stretched, but high rates and stipulations doesn't equal firing ceo's and telling them what car's/dealer's they get to keep or get rid of. That's like getting a car loan and the bank telling you to buy a Prius, even if you just wanted a Focus.

That's not a loan. It's government ownership in a public company. Big difference. Maybe the bailout was sold to the public as a loan, but it's certainly not since none of that money will ever be returned. I don't agree with what's going on, but that's the reality of it.

Ding, ding, ding, winnah!!. None of that money will be repaid, by Chrysler or GM, those billions may as well have been sent to the bottom of the ocean. Oh well, Government Motors will soon have a Prius for all of us to drive, and little else.

Why not, the banks did. And like I said that was a little stretched, but high rates and stipulations doesn't equal firing ceo's and telling them what car's/dealer's they get to keep or get rid of. That's like getting a car loan and the bank telling you to buy a Prius, even if you just wanted a Focus.

It's a business not a consumer buying a car. And if someone owns a controlling share in a company they CAN say do this or do that.

It is technically not just a loan. The money doled out provided the government with an interest stake. And besides, GM AND CHRYSLER took the money with the scenario you describe, you can have this money but you have to do this with it.

Sux balls but they took it. No one's fault but the companies. They could have just went under and not asked for the money and had other investors come in but who would have wanted to FU#% with the UAW and the monstrous debt?

That's not a loan. It's government ownership in a public company. Big difference. Maybe the bailout was sold to the public as a loan, but it's certainly not since none of that money will ever be returned. I don't agree with what's going on, but that's the reality of it.

I've been saying that for a long time now.... for one.... it is simply too much debt.... that it would become little more than a government subsidy.

I also agree Obama meddling in GM's business is not a good thing.

Meddling? That's an interesting choice of words. Do you recall GM begging for money from the government recently? It's not like the government went to GM and weaseled their way into things.

I didn't say the goverment weasled thier way into things. :eyes:

OK.... I should have simply said Obama fucking shit up. :lol:

By meddling.... I meant Obama is going to have GM making sorry pieces of :turd: mobiles that no one will want. All will be Cavalier copy cats.

Cavalier=GM's K car.

K-car might have saved Chrysler's ass years ago.... but that line of thinking is NOT going to do crap now. GM will need innovative products IF it is ever to turn around and get off of government life support.... which I have serious doubt that will ever happen. :(

What if we all bought GM shares as a show of support and financial backing. It could only help and if they pull out we might make a little money. If every Tech member bought 20 shares, think what an impact and what a statement it would make. In short, quit telling me how great your LSX is, and DO something for the company who brought it to you!!!I didn't read all 5 pages. I just want to know how buying shares makes a company worth more or even helps that company? Maybe I'm ignorant but I don't think that's how it works.

Besides it's GMs hole not mine. Me and China have given them enough already. And I REFUSE to buy anything that is run by the government IF I have a choice in the matter. As far as I'm concerned until that 60% controlling interest in GM is given back to the bondholders GM is not a legit company. I love the new camaro and I'd love to have a new silverado. But I think if I'm going to buy a brand new car. It might have to be a ford just on principle. And since I'm not a ford fan... I guess I'm not buying anything.

All will be Caliver copy cats.



Caliver?

Ok.... I spelled the POS Cavalier incorrectly.... like it matters. :eyes: