Other Special Events - 2009 Trans Am Nationals in Dayton, Ohio

Just curious who's going? I haven't sent in my money yet but its getting close. Here's the link.
http://www.78ta.com/nats/tipp.html

Me and 2 buds are heading that way from Mid-Missouri. We went to Indy last year. That was a waste for us, except to drive around the Brickyard track. Should see you there. :chug:

Have'nt been out there in a while-is this the first year at the Marriot?

Have'nt been out there in a while-is this the first year at the Marriot?

Yes its the first year at the new hotel.

Thanks 95TAGary.Checked overhead view of hotel and looks like they have plenty of room!

Wow,we're getting some pretty weird posts on this forumn!

We are going to the POCI/GTOAA National Convention in Dayton in a couple weeks instead of the TA Nats.

Always wanted to go to a large POCI or GTOAA event.And the darn thing is I am on vacation that week but will be trapshooting in Indianapolis at the Indiana State shoot.Whats even more ironic is late July into the first week of August my company is sending me to Dayton Ohio for work related stuff and I just miss the T/A Nationals!Bad timing!

Just curious who's going? I haven't sent in my money yet but its getting close. Here's the link.
http://www.78ta.com/nats/tipp.html

See you there Gary!

I will be there with some friends. we should have about 4 cars coming.

My car will have a new look this year

silver surfer your car always keeps getting better every year i love the new additions! ill be going again this along with another crew from across the border. cant wait! next year im going to have to stop the tradition and hit woodward since ill have a wedding to attend nationals weekend.

I'll be there for at least Saturday and the Tipp City Cruise In.

I'll be there for at least Saturday and the Tipp City Cruise In.

Sounds good !

How many cars are going to be there...Is it worth the $50 and a drive from Pittsburgh?

There are usually 400+ cars

I will be there for the 3rd year in a row. Usually I am one of those guys who doesn't pre-pay and waits out to see how the weather is going to be, but this year I had to prepay since I am showing in the winners circle. I guess rain or shine I am there all weekend!

Congrats on the winners circle!

I'll be there. i got a room at the downtown super 8 which is about 2 miles from the marriot for $39/night off of hotwire.com

I will be there this year in the winners circle, and I'm bringing a few more 3rd gens with me, This year we decided to stay at the Marriott, hope to see you there Gary.

I will be there this year in the winners circle, and I'm bringing a few more 3rd gens with me, This year we decided to stay at the Marriott, hope to see you there Gary.I'm pretty positive I'm just coming up for Sat. only with a guest and walking around. Won't be bringing the car or anything. I just like to look and buy some odd and ins. I'm about burnt out on car shows and taking this year off on shows. I'll look for your car if I make it up. I never stay for Sunday and like Sat. since there's more to see.

Less than a month away guys!

I'll be there in the winners circle also!! See you guys there. Look for the car with Reaper on the back

I'll be there to check it out, never been before.

I'm just going to check it out this year. Won't be bringing the car.

i still have to get the car back together. man i have alot of work to do.

Welcome to Dayton Ohio.

In years past you guys have rented Kil Kare for drag racing. I don't know if you're doing it again. At any rate Kil Kare has a test and tune Thursdays. 15.00 to race 5.00 to watch. Getes open 4:30 or so. Normally car counts are 225 to 300 cars. Normally there are some silly fast - driven to the track street cars. If you're in town Thursday come get some.

:drive: you're welcome

Yeah there was a guy that used to rent the track for the TA Nats time period but wasn't actually connected to the event. He stopped doing it 2 years ago though and I won the last year he had it.

Yeah there was a guy that used to rent the track for the TA Nats time period but wasn't actually connected to the event. He stopped doing it 2 years ago though and I won the last year he had it.


That might have been a guy in nice Blue T/A. Perhaps a 10.3 et. car, I don't remember. If it's him, we once drove to local tracks and raced. Then he made his car faster and pulled with an Avalanche.

Damn, what was his name? Nice guy had something to do with the Dayton T/A club. Oh well, you're all welcome to come racing Thursday. I know he worked at GM perhaps lost his job!!

For directions - it's www. kil kare.com

:drive: you're welcome

ill be there...... took last year off but given it another shot this year!!!!

ill be there...... took last year off but given it another shot this year!!!!

I wonder which class they will put you in this year?

Clean up starts this weekend. I haven't had it out much this year (~1000 miles) so it shouldn't be too bad to do, its the wheels that take a long time....I have some new polish I am going to give a try so hopefully not to bad.

I just checked the 10 day wearther---bring your rain gear--as usual.

I'll be there for sure got a room downtown at the Crowne Plaza Hope the judges open there eyes this year so its not a waste like normal same guys :ripped:win every year id come every year if they actually did a fair job judging:devil: Really wanted to bring both TA's this year but my LT4 motor ive been building has a freak bad oil pump.. When i was priming it up with my drill it was showing over 100 psi. Only a Bad pump thank god, it wasnt in the car at least. I'll have the silver 02 ready for some action Hopefully

I will be there in the winner circle, coming up Saturday morning. I am hoping to sale the car there $25,900

I figured you sold that TA a long time ago?

I just checked the weather said 30% for saturday, friday and sunday were sunny!!!! Lets hope they judge fair lol...and who knows what class they will put me in, i really dont care as long as they judge it fair!!!!!

I just checked the weather said 30% for saturday, friday and sunday were sunny!!!! Lets hope they judge fair lol...and who knows what class they will put me in, i really dont care as long as they judge it fair!!!!!

You have been in a bunch of classes as I remember. Subjective judging is always a problem. The car I thought should have won my class last year did not even get a place.

I'll be there with my medium blue metallic trans am with silver checkered racing stripes. For you guys wanting to win a trophy, let me give you a little piece of advice. The judging and classing is the worst I've ever seen. This was evident last year when 97RAMSST's absolutely gorgeous SOM didn't even place in the our class. I have been going to this show since 1997 and wouldn't miss it, but quickly learned that the years I did win a trophy that I didn't get to enjoy the show because I was cleaning my car all weekend. Then the one year I won a trophy and didn't do anything but wash it and clean the interior. So you can decide to either spend all your time cleaning your car to only be disappointed because of the poor judging, or make it presentable and enjoy the cars and the people.

I'll be there with my medium blue metallic trans am with silver checkered racing stripes. For you guys wanting to win a trophy, let me give you a little piece of advice. The judging and classing is the worst I've ever seen. This was evident last year when 97RAMSST's absolutely gorgeous SOM didn't even place in the our class. I have been going to this show since 1997 and wouldn't miss it, but quickly learned that the years I did win a trophy that I didn't get to enjoy the show because I was cleaning my car all weekend. Then the one year I won a trophy and didn't do anything but wash it and clean the interior. So you can decide to either spend all your time cleaning your car to only be disappointed because of the poor judging, or make it presentable and enjoy the cars and the people.

That was the car I was talking about. I go to see my friends that live too far away to visit and have a good time.

I'll be there with my medium blue metallic trans am with silver checkered racing stripes. For you guys wanting to win a trophy, let me give you a little piece of advice. The judging and classing is the worst I've ever seen. This was evident last year when 97RAMSST's absolutely gorgeous SOM didn't even place in the our class. I have been going to this show since 1997 and wouldn't miss it, but quickly learned that the years I did win a trophy that I didn't get to enjoy the show because I was cleaning my car all weekend. Then the one year I won a trophy and didn't do anything but wash it and clean the interior. So you can decide to either spend all your time cleaning your car to only be disappointed because of the poor judging, or make it presentable and enjoy the cars and the people.
That is the car I was talking about

I miss my Medium Blue Metallic Formula.

Weel it looks like I will be heading up after several years of not going. I am ready to hang out and see some familier faces again. Zek looks alot different since the last time I was up there. Debating on the show Sunday but most definity will be doing Tipp City!!!

Well in the midst of doing another opti on my formula again in hopes to having it ready for Nationals but if she's not ready ill be taking the trans am up. Can't Wait!!!

Should be 4 of us coming from WV, but everyone should come for the cruise in at Tipp city, I believe it's the best part of the weekend.

Weel it looks like I will be heading up after several years of not going. I am ready to hang out and see some familier faces again. Zek looks alot different since the last time I was up there. Debating on the show Sunday but most definity will be doing Tipp City!!!

Lokking forward to seeing you Dan.

Yeah Tipp City is nice.
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Nice pics, I love LT1's. :D

I'll be there with the pewter 'bird.

As far as cleaning & cleaning......I never do that. I take a pill that keeps me from giving a crap about much :) I just go for the fun and fellowship. I missed the last two years...2007 the car had just caught fire in my garage.....2008 I had no vacation time because of a new job. I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of friends!

Ya it always interesting for me to be judged at any show really, always wondering what that judge is looking for and what they like and dont like, but that is part of it.

For example I would be the worst person to judge the classes with a ton of chrome and polished everything, just not my style dont really like the look at all to be honest, but I can respect the work and money that has gone into it. Also when you get in those classes it is much harder to win since you have such a wide range of mods that someone may have done to their car and it comes down to what the judges like and don't like.

This sort of thing happened two years ago in my class. There was a really clean blackbird in my class that didn't place in the top 3. I couldn't see anything wrong with the car so I thought it was a lock to win it all since it was a rare car and it was clean. But again maybe the judges seen something they didn't like...for me in the case of that car he had the entire interior lubed with armorall...I hate that look and if I was the judge it wouldn't been good for him either. Not to say that is wrong or right just if you like the super shiney look and your cars interior to feel like baby oil was rubbed all over it then go for it thats your right. I personally was thinking my interior is really clean and has a nice satin shine to it and I was wondering if I would get dinged for not having the thing lubed up with that junk. Its personal taste it isn't worth it for me to win if I have to do that and I guess maybe I ran into some judges that think like me that year.

I feel bad for someone like 97RAMSST's who has a really nice car but again is in that class where anything goes and that is a difficult one to win. Now not placing at all that is just wrong in his case, he should place somewhere in the top 3.

I have never been to the tip city cruise, usually I only come up for the judging on Sunday. If it isn't raining it sounds like I should make it to the cruise in. What goes on and does everyone leave the Nats on Saturday and cruise in together?

If this tells you anything about the judging, I was a judge a couple of years :) See, they'll take anybody regardless of their mental stability :)

I figured you sold that TA a long time ago?

No still got it, hard time to sell a car like this one that is why I am open to trades a little more.
I agree Tipp City is the only reason I can make it through the weekend. I have won every year and I can say that the judging is off in alot of classes. My dad's SOM Firehawk have been there 3 years and never looked any different but got a third place last. He all ways looses to a red Firehawk with yellow crap all over it.

No still got it, hard time to sell a car like this one that is why I am open to trades a little more.
I agree Tipp City is the only reason I can make it through the weekend. I have won every year and I can say that the judging is off in alot of classes. My dad's SOM Firehawk have been there 3 years and never looked any different but got a third place last. He all ways looses to a red Firehawk with yellow crap all over it.

Ya I dont understand that, your dads car is awesome. I talk to him every year about the smoothed and cleared engine room. I hope to get mine done by the same guy if I can ever get my act together and give your dad a call.

Looks like rain is headed in for the weekend? Right now around 40%. I want to drive up to see the 2010 concept trans am this weekend. they're suppose to have it up there. Looks pretty wicked in the Hi Performance Pontiac magazine. Not to mention I need to sign back up for the magazine to get my free shirt, :D

Do you have a link for the concept?

http://www.transamdepot.com/phoenix-trans-am.cfm


Have fun everyone, wish i could make it, but am planning on it in 2010

Ya it always interesting for me to be judged at any show really, always wondering what that judge is looking for and what they like and dont like, but that is part of it.

For example I would be the worst person to judge the classes with a ton of chrome and polished everything, just not my style dont really like the look at all to be honest, but I can respect the work and money that has gone into it. Also when you get in those classes it is much harder to win since you have such a wide range of mods that someone may have done to their car and it comes down to what the judges like and don't like.

This sort of thing happened two years ago in my class. There was a really clean blackbird in my class that didn't place in the top 3. I couldn't see anything wrong with the car so I thought it was a lock to win it all since it was a rare car and it was clean. But again maybe the judges seen something they didn't like...for me in the case of that car he had the entire interior lubed with armorall...I hate that look and if I was the judge it wouldn't been good for him either. Not to say that is wrong or right just if you like the super shiney look and your cars interior to feel like baby oil was rubbed all over it then go for it thats your right. I personally was thinking my interior is really clean and has a nice satin shine to it and I was wondering if I would get dinged for not having the thing lubed up with that junk. Its personal taste it isn't worth it for me to win if I have to do that and I guess maybe I ran into some judges that think like me that year.

I feel bad for someone like 97RAMSST's who has a really nice car but again is in that class where anything goes and that is a difficult one to win. Now not placing at all that is just wrong in his case, he should place somewhere in the top 3.


If you go to the judging meeting they tell you not to grease up your tires and interior.It will detract from the overall look of the car.

I couldn't agree more on greasing everything up!

Usually I am cleaning my car not stop on the judging day and usually dont attend Saturday. Since I have no chance at winning anything in the winners circle and possibility of rain I will most likely be taking a laid back approach this year and hope to meet and talk with some of you guys at the show. I hope to make the cruise in as well this year since everyone says it is the best part of the weekend.

Ya I dont understand that, your dads car is awesome. I talk to him every year about the smoothed and cleared engine room. I hope to get mine done by the same guy if I can ever get my act together and give your dad a call.

Well he will not be there this year, he is going the same weekend of the show to trade off the Firehawk for transam758's 09 G8 GT. I am with you on, no back breaking all day keep it cleaning in the winner circle.

No still got it, hard time to sell a car like this one that is why I am open to trades a little more.
I agree Tipp City is the only reason I can make it through the weekend. I have won every year and I can say that the judging is off in alot of classes. My dad's SOM Firehawk have been there 3 years and never looked any different but got a third place last. He all ways looses to a red Firehawk with yellow crap all over it.

HaHa I know that guy.. Its my neighbors twin brothers car. I used to go over and drool over that car then he did all the yellow crap and I was like WHY?!?!?!

I will be there this year as well, and in the winners circle. It was a real shock to win last year after not even placing for years.
Wade, your dad's car is a beautiful car. Its a shame he's getting rid of it.
The judging is always subjective and different every year. I think the mileage on the top 3 cars helped last year.
I'm going to attend the judjing seminar this year to see what they look for.

Looks like the weather should be pretty good in Dayton now on MSN weather. 73°F is perfect. I'll see some of you tomorrow. I'll take some pics of your cars.

We made it up. We are staying up the road a ways near alot of resturants and such. The plan is to head over this afternoon and hang out. If ya see me give me a shout!!

We made it up. We are staying up the road a ways near alot of resturants and such. The plan is to head over this afternoon and hang out. If ya see me give me a shout!!

Dan--I am waiting for the rain to let up in NW ohio---I will be down this afternoon--I will have to look you up.

Just got back from Dayton, It sure is a great location at the new location. Did everyone like it there? Seems to be plenty of room. I took a lot of pics. Good luck tomorrow to all.

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And I gotta slip one of my bucket in here..... :cool:

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Awesome pics, keep them coming!

M3 class 1st place :lol:...http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/multimedia-exchange/1171190-i-love-gooooooollllddd.html#post12151320

After Fridays rain it turned out to be an amazing weekend and the new location WORKS!

any guess's as to how many showed up this year? i didnt go this year because i was too pissed with my car to go.

any guess's as to how many showed up this year? i didnt go this year because i was too pissed with my car to go.

441 from 30 states

441 from 30 states
I took several pictures of your car. Its looks really good. Seems you added some new things from last year? There was a lot of cars this year and it seems to be very nice at the new hotel. I have Nitrous on my car now and would have to remove it because they would put me in the Super Street class "N" with it. That class would be very hard to place in. I'll post some pics of some I took later.

Wow, 441 is a decent number considering many factors.

I think that is one of their highest totals

After Fridays rain it turned out to be an amazing weekend and the new location WORKS!

I agree. I purposly found a car wash that had the raincheck thing because i figured it would rain friday evening and sure enough it did. i'm glad i didn't have to keep frantically drying my car off like some people did. i simply drove it back to the car wash saturday morning and had it washed again, lol.

I was totally shocked when they called my car number for second place in modifed. The car that won first was really nice and low miles and i was sure he was going to take first, but between the other 4 or 5 ars in the class i figured it was a tossup for second, i was really suprised. they didn't do a 3rd because there were only 5 or 6.

I have almost 400 photos that i will upload when i get home this afternoon. I hope everyone had a great time :) I agree about the new location. i like the fact you don't have to walk nearly as far to see all the cars and that no one got stuck parking on the grass. I wasn't on the grass last year but i did see quite a few classes that were

And I gotta slip one of my bucket in here..... :cool:

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One of the best looking cars there. Love the color and the wheels.

Some nice cars. Judging was a F'n joke in some classes tho :bang:

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Some nice cars. Judging was a F'n joke in some classes tho :bang:

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A lot of classes have judging quirks---make some adjustments and try another class.

What classes were a joke? What class were you in? Did the Dragon car win again?

I will say that i saw something really funny in 93-97 stock. there was a 95 formual 'vert with a WS6 hood and SLP airbox in there. he was in the modified class with me last year after i got them to take me out of heavy custom. Here are a few of my pics starting with my trophy shot :D I'm still shocked that i took second place in 93-97 modified. I'm in the process of uploading about 380 pics to photobucket

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture381.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture056.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture060.jpg

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http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture106.jpg

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http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture070.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture075.jpg

the rest (approx 380 once they are all uploaded) can be seen here
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/

Had a great time!! wife loved the Hotel so did I hope they keep it there from here on out.
Was great weather after the rain on friday.
Always good seeing friends and meeting new ones.
My car always looks its best at the show. 2 days of cleaning helps a lot.
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A lot of classes have judging quirks---make some adjustments and try another class.


No changes could be made for the one class that I saw had a "quirk". I am not one to bash the judging because it is subjective but it seems like if you are in the class that has above 10 changes the judges are looking for the most outlandish car instead of a car that has the same number of changes and is tastefully done. If the changes you have made to the car instantly reduces the value of the vehicle by 90% then that should be way behind the car that has the same number of changes even if they are suttle and the cars looks sweet and is something the majority of us would like to own. I am not calling out any classes or winners but I think we all know what class we are speaking of. All I can say is I am glad I am not in those classes with a lot of changes.

Again just some constructive critisim, my 2 cents, my thoughts. Anyone that would change their car to fit into a class is kind of lame, I think most of us like to drive our cars and can really care less what class we are in, just want some common sense judging....say to yourself would I like to own this car because these changes were made and it made the car look better.

Ahh screw it...it really doesn't matter in the end it is just a piece of hardware thrown in the corner of the garage taking up space. What ever someone wants to do their car that is great and if they win so be it.

I had a good time, I liked the new location. It was great meeting some of you guys and overall the weekend and weather was great. It was a first for me at Tipp City I will for sure do that again. My winners circle award is really nice and the show was run great by the organizers.

Did that really nice custom black 67-69, sorry dont know the year, win anything? I think he was in winners circle so he would got that award but I cant remember if he got any more or not.

I will say that i saw something really funny in 93-97 stock. there was a 95 formual 'vert with a WS6 hood and SLP airbox in there. he was in the modified class with me last year after i got them to take me out of heavy custom. Here are a few of my pics starting with my trophy shot :D I'm still shocked that i took second place in 93-97 modified. I'm in the process of uploading about 380 pics to photobucket

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture381.jpg

the rest (approx 380 once they are all uploaded) can be seen here
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/

You have a real nice car dont be surprised.

02SOMLS!WS6 love your car. Clean and Tasteful. I wish thats the route i would have went with mine. Nice wheels fairly stock and just fun to have and drive. I wish my car wasnt so far from stock. Actually been thinking about selling it and getting another stock car. But selling a car with Mods is all but impossible.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t3/SweeTbone346/2009%20Nats/DSC_0705.jpg

One of the best looking cars there. Love the color and the wheels.

Thanks. :cool: Although in Tipp City nearly everyone who looked close at it came up and asked me two questions. "Is this a factory color?" and "Are those factory rims?". Eventually I went and got a Sharpie and wrote on my namecard with my make and model "Yes, this is a factory color with factory rims." People still came and asked. :bang: :jest: There was only one other MRM TA there and NOBODY else had the rims.

02SOMLS!WS6 love your car. Clean and Tasteful. I wish thats the route i would have went with mine. Nice wheels fairly stock and just fun to have and drive. I wish my car wasnt so far from stock. Actually been thinking about selling it and getting another stock car. But selling a car with Mods is all but impossible.

QuickSilver your car looks great and isn't over top at all. I believe yours is more of a driver than mine so I dont know how you keep it looking so nice. My car sees between 2000 and 3500 miles a year depending on if I have done a power tour or some other long cruise with friends. You deserve the trophy you got, but I dont envy you or those in your class that is a tough one to win and everyone has their opinion on what looks good. Those classes where anything and everything goes is crazy, I respect the time and money you all have in your cars. I am with you though if I was a car show only guy I would have to find a way to get out of that one. I am lucky because the changes I have made is what I wanted to do and keeps me in a sane car show class so I am lucky. Now when I get the blower on it then I will be with the power adder guys. I wish non-car show type stuff didn't kick you out of the class unless it was made very car show like (chrome and such), I like my class and hanging out with the few guys I talk to each year.

Thanks. :cool: Although in Tipp City nearly everyone who looked close at it came up and asked me two questions. "Is this a factory color?" and "Are those factory rims?". Eventually I went and got a Sharpie and wrote on my namecard with my make and model "Yes, this is a factory color with factory rims." People still came and asked. :bang: :jest: There was only one other MRM TA there and NOBODY else had the rims.

I bet you get that a lot with the color and wheels. Usually there is a pewter WS6 in my class that has those wheels but I didn't see him this year.

QuickSilver your car looks great and isn't over top at all. I believe yours is more of a driver than mine so I dont know how you keep it looking so nice. My car sees between 2000 and 3500 miles a year depending on if I have done a power tour or some other long cruise with friends. You deserve the trophy you got, but I dont envy you or those in your class that is a tough one to win and everyone has their opinion on what looks good. Those classes where anything and everything goes is crazy, I respect the time and money you all have in your cars. I am with you though if I was a car show only guy I would have to find a way to get out of that one. I am lucky because the changes I have made is what I wanted to do and keeps me in a sane car show class so I am lucky. Now when I get the blower on it then I will be with the power adder guys. I wish non-car show type stuff didn't kick you out of the class unless it was made very car show like (chrome and such), I like my class and hanging out with the few guys I talk to each year.

I think you may have me mixed up with someone else. I didnt have My car this year, had some trans issues. I drove a friends 183k miles daily driver down.

I think you may have me mixed up with someone else. I didnt have My car this year, had some trans issues. I drove a friends 183k miles daily driver down.

Ya your right I was thinking of the guy with the silver TA in custom 98-02 (I think)...I read silver in your name and thought of that car. 183K wow thats impressive, what year?

You have a real nice car dont be surprised.

thanks :)

i guess i was suprised because i don't really have a low mileage car (it had 126,010 at judging time) but then again i do know it is in very good shape for its age/mileage. Southern cars FTW. I was showing some of the stuff i have in the glove box to someone next to me at tipp city. i should frame or laminate the invoice i found in the car a few months ago showing its very first oil change. 3194 miles march 24, 1995 and it cost them $37.xx :lol: I guess dealerships charge more in hawaii.

I got some at tipp city, here's the first one. i'm uploading the second as i type this. i think i have 4 or 5 but only a couple are more than 30 seconds or so. One cool thing about Video 1 i just noticed is that it was shot at exactly 4:00. you can hear the bell ring 4 times in the background

Video 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeAEXFGF2LY

Video 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sz0HNm5LdE
Video 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ucuZEYXDjY

Video 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_QCflhsL4

Thats cool you got the clock ringing... any video of my car driving? lol there was some women filming us on the freeway in an older TA but I couldn't find her to get a copy.

I noticed a few people video taping when I pulled in but, can't find anything.

First time I was able to make it to the nationals and had a good time overall. Tipp City was a good time too.

Ya your right I was thinking of the guy with the silver TA in custom 98-02 (I think)...I read silver in your name and thought of that car. 183K wow thats impressive, what year?


Thats me---that is a crazy class to be in.

What classes were a joke? What class were you in? Did the Dragon car win again?


M3 class 1st place :lol:...http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/multimedia-exchange/1171190-i-love-gooooooollllddd.html#post12151320


:bang:

:bang:


:givesfuck:confused:

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I see someone got a picture of Zek and the new widened Ruffs (19x11 305/30/19s)
The new venue is quite nice and the weather was great!!

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh325/antipop304/P100039611.jpg
I see someone got a picture of Zek and the new widened Ruffs (19x11 305/30/19s)
The new venue is quite nice and the weather was great!!

Sweet picture, I am not sure what camera sic ls1 used to take those pictures but all of the cars look great. Usually I dont like the all black theme but your car looks awesome with that look. Nicely done!

Thats me---that is a crazy class to be in.

I would love to see the score sheets for the cars in that class. It would be interesting to see what the judges were looking for.

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I see someone got a picture of Zek and the new widened Ruffs (19x11 305/30/19s)
The new venue is quite nice and the weather was great!!
Any more pics of yours? that's a nice LT1. One of my favorites. I tried to see you on Sat. but didn't see your car so this picture might of been from Friday or Sunday?

I might buy my score sheet this year. i was going to last year and didn't. since i placed i think i want to know what my score was

Any more pics of yours? that's a nice LT1. One of my favorites. I tried to see you on Sat. but didn't see your car so this picture might of been from Friday or Sunday?
Thanks Gary, The pic is from Sunday. We got there Thursday and had the car there friday but the roads are shatty in and around Dayton so we road the truck down for the Saturday deal.

Any more pics of yours? that's a nice LT1. One of my favorites. I tried to see you on Sat. but didn't see your car so this picture might of been from Friday or Sunday?

I got a couple pics of it

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture352.jpg

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture069.jpg

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I would love to see the score sheets for the cars in that class. It would be interesting to see what the judges were looking for.

You would probably be suprised how close the scores would be. There were probably only a few points between 1st and say 6th. My first year in that class I scored 197/200 and I got fourth--which means 1st had 200. Some of the other guys who have posted complained about the judging--but take a look at the scoring sheets-- there are 3 sections of 25 pts. where 10 of those pts. are cleanliness and presentation---thats 30 pts before you get to the Overall.
If you didn't clean your wheel backs ,have dirty fenderwells,etc., you just screwed yourself no matter how cool your car looks on the outside( nice wheels and a nice paint job). Slaping on too much tire shine will loose you points also. That red car that won could have been 4th-or 5th in the overall section but thats only a possible 25. I learned early on ---ITS A SHOW -PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL--then maybe some guys won't be pissing and moaning about the judging.

I have been to 10 Nats and each year is different.

I got a couple pics of it

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/Picture352.jpg



Caught me sleeping:zzz:

I will say that i saw something really funny in 93-97 stock. there was a 95 formual 'vert with a WS6 hood and SLP airbox in there. he was in the modified class with me last year after i got them to take me out of heavy custom. Here are a few of my pics starting with my trophy shot :D I'm still shocked that i took second place in 93-97 modified. I'm in the process of uploading about 380 pics to photobucket

the rest (approx 380 once they are all uploaded) can be seen here
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff279/pdennis93/TA%20Nationals%202009/

Wow, impressive. Congrats.

I just put up 3 sets of pics on my Webshots --- just click on my link.

Looks like a great time! I hope to go next year. I heard a rumor that it may not be happening next year...can anybody shed some light on that?

You would probably be suprised how close the scores would be. There were probably only a few points between 1st and say 6th. My first year in that class I scored 197/200 and I got fourth--which means 1st had 200. Some of the other guys who have posted complained about the judging--but take a look at the scoring sheets-- there are 3 sections of 25 pts. where 10 of those pts. are cleanliness and presentation---thats 30 pts before you get to the Overall.
If you didn't clean your wheel backs ,have dirty fenderwells,etc., you just screwed yourself no matter how cool your car looks on the outside( nice wheels and a nice paint job). Slaping on too much tire shine will loose you points also. That red car that won could have been 4th-or 5th in the overall section but thats only a possible 25. I learned early on ---ITS A SHOW -PAY ATTENTION TO DETAIL--then maybe some guys won't be pissing and moaning about the judging.

I have been to 10 Nats and each year is different.

Im pretty sure alot of people would agree that this years show had something just alittle off in the m-3 judging. Ive been to 4 years of ta nationals 2 years in my 95 ta and 2 years in my 02 ta and know what the judges look for and have worked my ass off trying to catch another win. This year was the worst, Ive never seen two more poor of examples of a Winning SHOW CAR! Personally any person who would take a spray paint can to a car and just start spraying everything you can get your hands on isnt adding custom touches he or she is only taking away from the valve of that vehicle.. Dont even get me started on the decals some of this cars have, god we all know its a trans am and is ram air it says it on the doors and the hood from the factory we dont need 50 thousand decals all over a vehicle to remind us!! Decals dont make it a Show WINNER WOW!! ALot of people in the m-3 class put tons of time into there vehicles and pay very close attention to detail as to pull wheels, polish everything possiable, re-paint , clean and clean ect. ect until their hands fall off to come and get beat by vehicles far FAR from show quality!! Im not saying my car should have won anything but Honestlly what was the judges basing those choices on. And as for the wheel wells on that SHOW WINNING Gold thing I guess the judges missed all the dirt and bullshit building up in his front wheel wells!! Sell me on that win please :nono:


As for the :givesfuck coming from "Bird man" alot of people do give a fuck and they, the same as you have the right to share there opinion ;)


Myself really I dont care that I didn't place or win... I won much more than any stupid award from ta nationals... Rob with the 2000 pewter Ta in the M3 class and I were asked ( " because OUR cars ARE SHOW/MAGAZINE quality" ) to do a photoshot by High Performance Pontiac Magazine. Rob and I will be featured soon together in a wicked spot in Dayton with tons of great pictures and info on our cars.

Im pretty sure alot of people would agree that this years show had something just alittle off in the m-3 judging. Ive been to 4 years of ta nationals 2 years in my 95 ta and 2 years in my 02 ta and know what the judges look for and have worked my ass off trying to catch another win. This year was the worst, Ive never seen two more poor of examples of a Winning SHOW CAR! Personally any person who would take a spray paint can to a car and just start spraying everything you can get your hands on isnt adding custom touches he or she is only taking away from the valve of that vehicle.. Dont even get me started on the decals some of this cars have, god we all know its a trans am and is ram air it says it on the doors and the hood from the factory we dont need 50 thousand decals all over a vehicle to remind us!! Decals dont make it a Show WINNER WOW!! ALot of people in the m-3 class put tons of time into there vehicles and pay very close attention to detail as to pull wheels, polish everything possiable, re-paint , clean and clean ect. ect until their hands fall off to come and get beat by vehicles far FAR from show quality!! Im not saying my car should have won anything but Honestlly what was the judges basing those choices on. And as for the wheel wells on that SHOW WINNING Gold thing I guess the judges missed all the dirt and bullshit building up in his front wheel wells!! Sale me on that win please :nono:


As for the :givesfuck coming from "Bird man" alot of people do give a fuck and they, the same as you have the right to share there opinion ;)


Myself really I dont care that I didn't place or win... I won much more than any stupid award from ta nationals... Rob with the 2000 pewter Ta in the M3 class and I were asked ( " because OUR cars ARE SHOW/MAGAZINE quality" ) to do a photoshot by High Performance Pontiac Magazine. Rob and I will be featured soon together in a wicked spot in Dayton with tons of great pictures and info on our cars.

LOL...you know what the sad thing is? That everyone will just say "well thats the Nats for you." Well thats BS for a show of that size and stature. When they are SOOOOO many obvious discrepancies and judging errors it CLEARLY calls into question the legitimacy and integrity of the show and staff. This is the VERY reason I didnt go this year and may never go again. I think my screwing last year is fairly legendary by now, but at the same time I would never put anybody else's car that was in my class or any other down. The car owners didn't do the judging and they are just as proud of their car as you are of yours...no matter how legitimate the argument that just makes you seem like a sore loser.


I wonder if the judges in that class this year were the same as last??? If so maybe they think judging is like golf and the lower the number the better????

Im pretty sure alot of people would agree that this years show had something just alittle off in the m-3 judging. Ive been to 4 years of ta nationals 2 years in my 95 ta and 2 years in my 02 ta and know what the judges look for and have worked my ass off trying to catch another win. This year was the worst, Ive never seen two more poor of examples of a Winning SHOW CAR! Personally any person who would take a spray paint can to a car and just start spraying everything you can get your hands on isnt adding custom touches he or she is only taking away from the valve of that vehicle.. Dont even get me started on the decals some of this cars have, god we all know its a trans am and is ram air it says it on the doors and the hood from the factory we dont need 50 thousand decals all over a vehicle to remind us!! Decals dont make it a Show WINNER WOW!! ALot of people in the m-3 class put tons of time into there vehicles and pay very close attention to detail as to pull wheels, polish everything possiable, re-paint , clean and clean ect. ect until their hands fall off to come and get beat by vehicles far FAR from show quality!! Im not saying my car should have won anything but Honestlly what was the judges basing those choices on. And as for the wheel wells on that SHOW WINNING Gold thing I guess the judges missed all the dirt and bullshit building up in his front wheel wells!! Sell me on that win please :nono:


As for the :givesfuck coming from "Bird man" alot of people do give a fuck and they, the same as you have the right to share there opinion ;)


Myself really I dont care that I didn't place or win... I won much more than any stupid award from ta nationals... Rob with the 2000 pewter Ta in the M3 class and I were asked ( " because OUR cars ARE SHOW/MAGAZINE quality" ) to do a photoshot by High Performance Pontiac Magazine. Rob and I will be featured soon together in a wicked spot in Dayton with tons of great pictures and info on our cars.



My point was you can't bang your head up against the wall with shit you can't control. Robbie got screwed last year and we all now it-but I have no clue what those judges look at---I get my score sheets and wonder about numbers also. I go to hang out with my friends from Pa. & Mass.---they just tech me into that class so thats where I park. I thought there were some ligit cars in M-3---But I don't judge and a lot of times I don't agree either.
I am looking forward to your shots in the mag.

I wish they would just drop the judging and trophies all together. I've been there many years and only once on Sunday. I love to come and talk to other Firebird and TA owners and see their cars. Its great to have a large gathering where we can see many cars in one place like ours. I enjoy Saturday the best. I have a garage full of trophies and care less if I win any up there. I see many cars making it to the winners circles and wonder how they made it there. People complain every year about this and it would be nice just to have a large event and do some fun things instead of cleaning all weekend. A lot of the cars won't even go on the lot before Sunday. Most cars might not show if no judging was taking place but I think the atmosphere would improve? I'm all for dropping the trophies or giving everybody one, LOL.:burn:

I wish they would just drop the judging and trophies all together. I've been there many years and only once on Sunday. I love to come and talk to other Firebird and TA owners and see their cars. Its great to have a large gathering where we can see many cars in one place like ours. I enjoy Saturday the best. I have a garage full of trophies and care less if I win any up there. I see many cars making it to the winners circles and wonder how they made it there. People complain every year about this and it would be nice just to have a large event and do some fun things instead of cleaning all weekend. A lot of the cars won't even go on the lot before Sunday. Most cars might not show if no judging was taking place but I think the atmosphere would improve? I'm all for dropping the trophies or giving everybody one, LOL.:burn:

That is the best idea yet--I'm all for that!

Hell i'd go for that. I registered this year but didnt even really bother to clean the car. My car had issues so i drve a friends 183k mile Formula down. Damn well knowing it wouldnt wil I registered to help the cause.
I still think the best part of the weekend is the drive to Tipp City.

If i could change one thing, it would be BRING BACK THE DRAG RACE!!!!!!!!!

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I see someone got a picture of Zek and the new widened Ruffs (19x11 305/30/19s)Looks like it was taken after I had to leave as I picked up a nail, at the showfield, to get my near flat fixed.

Dan, I found out why I didnt get a 2nd place in our class with my mint 2 week old restoration.

They only award one trophy per 5 cars, so small classes with nice cars get "screwed".

BTW, here's my car next to Dan's:
http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats3.JPG

http://community.webshots.com/user/95TAGary?vhost=community

I have many more I'll add plus some engine pictures.

Looks like it was taken after I had to leave as I picked up a nail, at the showfield, to get my near flat fixed.

Dan, I found out why I didnt get a 2nd place in our class with my mint 2 week old restoration.

They only award one trophy per 5 cars, so small classes with nice cars get "screwed".

BTW, here's my car next to Dan's:


I thought it was more like 1 trophy per 3 cars. My class 93-97 Modified only had 5 cars in it and there was a first and second.

http://community.webshots.com/user/95TAGary?vhost=community

I have many more I'll add plus some engine pictures.


I made the first engine bay pic.Good pics of M-3 Gary

Hey guys, I had gone to several of the Nats back in the day 2000-2003 and never placed and got very frustrated so I took some time off. This year I decided to go up and just have a great time hanging out with hundreds of other Firebird fans. Winning was just a bonus and was not expected due to the variations I have seen in the past and even this year.
Guys, just remember it is two guys opinion for most of the points so it really boils down to if they like the way the car is done. If you put alot of emotion in how the cards fall at the Nationals you are not doing it for what it truely is and that being a great gathering of TAs and Birds. in the end we all take home an award in that we had fun and have our birds.
Thoughts?

Hey guys, I had gone to several of the Nats back in the day 2000-2003 and never placed and got very frustrated so I took some time off. This year I decided to go up and just have a great time hanging out with hundreds of other Firebird fans. Winning was just a bonus and was not expected due to the variations I have seen in the past and even this year.
Guys, just remember it is two guys opinion for most of the points so it really boils down to if they like the way the car is done. If you put alot of emotion in how the cards fall at the Nationals you are not doing it for what it truely is and that being a great gathering of TAs and Birds. in the end we all take home an award in that we had fun and have our birds.
Thoughts?

That has always been my take on going there. Some years you luck out and some years you don't. Some times you agree with the judges and sometimes you don't. That's life. I go to have fun and hang out.

i wonder when they will update the nationals page with photos and winners lists and what not.

i wonder when they will update the nationals page with photos and winners lists and what not.

It's different each year--you just have to keep checking

do they have an email address or something where you can send in your pics? they post first second and third winners pics on their site if they are sent to them right? or is that just for first place?

I would love to see the score sheets for the cars in that class. It would be interesting to see what the judges were looking for.

http://www.78ta.com/nats/guideline.html

That is the best idea yet--I'm all for that!

You only say that since you have had your time in the winners circle Dave. I would just like to get recognized for consistently having a really nice, clean car. But hey, I hope you had a good time looking at all of the cars. Now to go and look through all of the pics.

You only say that since you have had your time in the winners circle Dave. I would just like to get recognized for consistently having a really nice, clean car. But hey, I hope you had a good time looking at all of the cars. Now to go and look through all of the pics.

Chris--I can see your point---but the talk here is about the Heavy Custom class being so radical---I won my 1st in a lower class the first year I had the car. In that class, I think clean was the overpowering force--and my car was super clean at that time. Being in Heavy Custom sucks if you only go to get an award. So now that I am stuck in that class I deal with it. I could take a buch of stuff off of my car and go to a lower class to try to win but I don't care about the awards --if I get one great . I like going and hanging out--We missed you and your dad this year when we were having pizza & drinks on saturday night.

More shots from the TA Nationals. These are random shots of engine bays. I have many more didn't think I took this many.

http://community.webshots.com/user/95TAGary

When I did go, I didn't expect to win, but I tried to win. I liked the idea of whose car is the cleanest is the winner. It seems like the problem that everyone has is "taste". Whomever is judging has a bit to say in way of points of "taste". It seems some years it is red cars, other years it is cars with over the top accessories. Maybe they should just do away the presentation aspect.

Personally, I think that whatever is done to the car should be the the best interest of the design and flow of the car. In other words, it should look like the factory did it.

I think they should do a participant type judging like they do at the BanOne show in ATL. (Heavy Modded 4thGens judge Custom 4th Gens and so on.) Like John says...who knows these cars better than fellow Bird owners? I have never heard a single complaint about the judging at that show. Of course thats a ten times better show all around than the Nats is IMO...with the exception of the number of cars, but its growing!

That would be a good idea.

When I did go, I didn't expect to win, but I tried to win. I liked the idea of whose car is the cleanest is the winner. It seems like the problem that everyone has is "taste". Whomever is judging has a bit to say in way of points of "taste". It seems some years it is red cars, other years it is cars with over the top accessories. Maybe they should just do away the presentation aspect.

Personally, I think that whatever is done to the car should be the the best interest of the design and flow of the car. In other words, it should look like the factory did it.

Good call man

Well you can come back to the show because I don't think you'll have to worry about competing against the dragon car anytime soon.

I feel sorry for this guy, at least he didn't get hurt!


http://projects.daytondailynews.com/cache/galleries/News/Local/083109transamwreck/

There will be another "custom" car to take it's place I'm sure.

It sucks to see another bird go down. I feel for his loss. Maybe he will be able to upgrade to a GTO or '10 Camaro.

chris--I like your use of the word Upgrade:secret2::D

I would love to see the score sheets for the cars in that class. It would be interesting to see what the judges were looking for.

here's mine

I see your score sheet and think you have a perfect car. Do they really check your carpets and such or glance at them. Can't see why you would get a mark down from five points? A few points here and there mean a lot when everything is added up.

I see your score sheet and think you have a perfect car. Do they really check your carpets and such or glance at them. Can't see why you would get a mark down from five points? A few points here and there mean a lot when everything is added up.

They obviously just glanced at them. My wife takes them and brushes up the nap on all of them so they look perfect. the only time they are in the car is at shows.

A little late to the party, heres my pics too -
http://photos.going-faster.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=244035

Just got my score sheets & the theory of red always getting high scores is blown out the window!
Those guys hammered me but good, or in my case, bad!

How does one get a score of 4 with 2 week old perfect paint, then get a 1 for presentation?
My TA floor mats were mint, never used or stepped on, (just bought them from a list member here still in the lloyds box!) & I had just cleaned & vacuumed the car before I hit the show field, yet I only get a 2 for cleanliness?

On of my rims had about 2" of rash, not allot, you really had to look to find it, & the tires were mint, the rims were clean, shiny & dirt free (had them cleaned & stick on weights balanced the day before I drove to the nats, & check out how bad I was graded!

I could have went with steelies & done better!

And how does one get a 4 on paint, yet a 2 on cleanliness?

I cleaned & polished like a mutha' right up until 11 & made sure it looked as good as possible.

And my engine, not allot of bling, but with new paint in the engine compartment, it was mint & not dirty, yet I also got hammered there!
Don't get me wrong, I didn't expect to walk away with hardware, but with all new paint & resto job everywhere, I didn't expect to get thrashed upon either!

They obviously didn't give 2 shits this year, esp judge JH, the one using red ink.
He hit me real hard on everything

Check out the overall appearance, 12????
How's that happen?

I guess I'll never ask for my sheets again as looking at them kinda makes me pissed.

Oh, here's my sheets:
http://home.comcast.net/~myws6/sheet1.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~myws6/sheet2.JPG

Now how my car looked & was presented:
http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats1.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats2.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~ta2000/nats3.JPG

wow dude if they judged you that bad I'd really get hammered.

Your car is nicer than the rating. Nobody has figured the voting out yet. next year with a different judge you might win?

A little late to the party, heres my pics too -
http://photos.going-faster.com/GalleryThumbnails.aspx?gallery=244035

Holy crap, ..., there's a shet-load of great photos in there, ...
Cool, Thanks for sharin'! :thumb:

Butch, Your car looks great man! Don't let someone elses opinion get you upset, just look back at the weekend and enjoy the time spent (Tipp City rocked, the weather was great!!).