12 Second Club - Hit 12's in pretty much stock car

My setup =

01 1SC M6 camaro SS..
granatelli lid
factory slp cat back (my car is an slp car it came with it). ..
koni 4/4's
ground control coilovers
strano sway bars
full interior with spare and jack in the back!
275/40/17 bfg kdw street tires @ 40PSI. yes it was at 40PSI i checked it afterwards! I auto x dont really drag race but it was my clubs shootout so i brought out the autox car to drag. lol..

So i guess i could be considered pretty much stock drivetrain.. i dont think a lid helps that much.

ran 12.989 @ 113 MPH... 2.0 60ft.. my whole time sheet is at home and im at work about to go to hot august nights.. But ill post it up if i need to! Just stoked cause i wanted a 12 before i did any real boltons.. This was done at sacramento raceway.. and if anyone knows its not the best track either..

"So i guess i could be considered pretty much stock drivetrain.. i dont think a lid helps that much."-lid has nothing to do with drivetrain, so id say your drivetrain is 100% stock.

def. nice time for the mods

Thats a super high mph for being stock.... SS's usually trap at around 106mph

You should be proud of that. lol.

WOW! That is a crazy trap speed, there has to be something done to that. I have never heard of an LS-1 trapping over 109mph stock.

Congrats. That mph is way to high

Bad 60ft... too bad your tires were at 40.. get a 1.8 and you'll get full adv. of the 113mph

113mph....... :secret2:

i think the fact that my car is pretty low helped my MPH but i have the time slip to prove it. I was running at 109-110 with no suspension work a couple months before this.. i was amazed at the trap speed myself. I believe i had a few contributing factors for my run..72 ish degrees at sea level is the conditions.. Ill take a pic of the timeslip and put it up.. not to mention my car with me in it weighed 3600 lbs.. theres a scale at the track.. my car is also a 1SC hardtop power delete everything.. but its still full interior and my mods are what i typed in the first post.

And thanks everyone for the compliments.. i was stoked..

sorry, didnt notice you were m6.. thought it was a4.... looks about right to me.. should be able to get a 12.7 or so out of it with good short time..

Lol it's all good. I thunk if I really wanted to punish my rear end I'd throw some m/t dr's on and go for it. But it's my auto x car so I think I'll be good with what I got!

that mph is high though. I am camed and M6 and i trap at 115-116 mph....

so i dunno

that mph is high though. I am camed and M6 and i trap at 115-116 mph....

so i dunno

Thats what im saying....:pics: lol

i think the fact that my car is pretty low helped my MPH but i have the time slip to prove it.

Post it up. That's amazing if you really did that. But honestly if you don't post up the time slip its just hear say.

I'd like to see the rest of the data - 60', 1/8th ET and mph - that MPH seems way high. An ET calculator estimates 320hp - reasonable, by MPH it estimates 394hp - thats not reasonable. The 1/8 mile stuff will help show what was going on - with a 2.0 60' you should have went faster than 12.9 with trap speeds like that.

What kind of ET/MPH did the car run on any other passes?

if it is true, in the 1/8 ET he must be at 7.8 running about 90+ mph????

In the 1/8 i am 8.0 @ 89 mph

if it is true, in the 1/8 ET he must be at 7.8 running about 90+ mph????

In the 1/8 i am 8.0 @ 89 mph

89 in the 8th is low for your mods and power. I trapped more than that with a lot less power than you.

89 in the 8th is low for your mods and power. I trapped more than that with a lot less power than you.
well to be technical my mph was 89.94 :lol:

What should i be at in the 1/8th mile????? MPH and E/T

well to be technical my mph was 89.94 :lol:

What should i be at in the 1/8th mile????? MPH and E/T

With your power you should be at like 92-93 ane et depends on traction. Maybe like 7.5.

With my full weight car that had 374hp i was trapping 91. We are in totally different areas though so that could have something to do with it.

With your power you should be at like 92-93 ane et depends on traction. Maybe like 7.5.

With my full weight car that had 374hp i was trapping 91. We are in totally different areas though so that could have something to do with it.
Holy cow you think 7.5 @ 92.... That seems crazy, but i like the way you think :D

What do you mean that we are in different areas? You mean different states? What is the elevation of your tracks?

Holy cow you think 7.5 @ 92.... That seems crazy, but i like the way you think :D

What do you mean that we are in different areas? You mean different states? What is the elevation of your tracks?

Yea that 7.5 is with a real good 60ft so I say you'll do like 7.8 at 94. Just a random guess LOL.

I don't know the elevation but it's close to sea level. I honestly think I could of trapped 92 with a better launch. I'm lazy out of the hole. You should be pretty fast with your setup :cheers:

Yea that 7.5 is with a real good 60ft so I say you'll do like 7.8 at 94. Just a random guess LOL.

I don't know the elevation but it's close to sea level. I honestly think I could of trapped 92 with a better launch. I'm lazy out of the hole. You should be pretty fast with your setup :cheers:
In Chicago i have 5 tracks any where between 1 hr to 2hrs from me :D

US41 = 680' Above Sea Level

Byron = 730' Above Sea Level

Cordova = 563' Above Sea Level

Rte. 66 = 536' Above Sea Level

GLD = 626' Above Sea Level

I run a lot at GLD and US41.... so we will see. i got me some 16x8 alloys now with some new M/T rubber on order. Hopefully i get my 1.9 60' down to a 1.8 or possible a 1.7. But on the 10 bolt that is pusjing it. I will shoot for a 1.8 60'

if it is true, in the 1/8 ET he must be at 7.8 running about 90+ mph????

In the 1/8 i am 8.0 @ 89 mph

89mph is good for 7.7s..

With your power you should be at like 92-93 ane et depends on traction. Maybe like 7.5.

With my full weight car that had 374hp i was trapping 91. We are in totally different areas though so that could have something to do with it.

93 is pushing it.. i would say 91 would be right on..

Holy cow you think 7.5 @ 92.... That seems crazy, but i like the way you think :D

What do you mean that we are in different areas? You mean different states? What is the elevation of your tracks?

not many people can do 7.5@92 in a 6 speed.. IMO with a 1.6-1.7 short time (what you should be cutting with drag radials or slicks) would net you a 7.7@91-92mph or so..


I run a lot at GLD and US41.... so we will see. i got me some 16x8 alloys now with some new M/T rubber on order. Hopefully i get my 1.9 60' down to a 1.8 or possible a 1.7. But on the 10 bolt that is pusjing it. I will shoot for a 1.8 60'

1.9 is horrible.. 1.8 isnt that great... 1.7 is about average.. 1.6 is a good 60 in a six speed..
1.7 will put you at about a 7.8..

In Chicago i have 5 tracks any where between 1 hr to 2hrs from me :D

US41 = 680' Above Sea Level

Byron = 730' Above Sea Level

Cordova = 563' Above Sea Level

Rte. 66 = 536' Above Sea Level

GLD = 626' Above Sea Level

I run a lot at GLD and US41.... so we will see. i got me some 16x8 alloys now with some new M/T rubber on order. Hopefully i get my 1.9 60' down to a 1.8 or possible a 1.7. But on the 10 bolt that is pusjing it. I will shoot for a 1.8 60' Oh the wheels and tires should help a lot. Good luck :cheers:

89mph is good for 7.7s..



93 is pushing it.. i would say 91 would be right on..



not many people can do 7.5@92 in a 6 speed.. IMO with a 1.6-1.7 short time (what you should be cutting with drag radials or slicks) would net you a 7.7@91-92mph or so..



1.9 is horrible.. 1.8 isnt that great... 1.7 is about average.. 1.6 is a good 60 in a six speed..
1.7 will put you at about a 7.8..

Well i figured he could do more than 91 because i did that with a lot less power than he is making. But i agree that he'll be in the high 7's

...hmmmm..... i do 113mph in the 1/4...... with longtubes!

who brags about trap speeds?

Good time and mph! So I guess I need shocks, swaybars and pump up the air in my tires and I'll break in the 12's with my stripper SS :)

Good time and mph! So I guess I need shocks, swaybars and pump up the air in my tires and I'll break in the 12's with my stripper SS :)

hey a local!

just get gomer to tune on it a little bit more! :pimp:

Sorry it took so long to reply heres all the data from my run and for comparison i ran a pewter cammed A4 SS on drs which is the right lane.. im left lane

me left

R/t .314
60' 2.064
300' 5.624
1/8 8.499 @ 87.251
1000 10.935
1/4 12.989 @ 113.051

him right

r/t .411
60' 1.79
300 4.948
1/8 7.655 @ 92.793
1000 9.958
1/4 11.893 @ 119.816


and heres the time sheet sorry for crappy pic its been in my center console for a little while.. and if i could ever get my buddy to uplaod the vid i could show it as well.. my car picks up like crazy on top.. and like i said i think the lowering helps the trap speed alot.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/450pilot/1250600871.jpg

and to show how low my car is

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d182/450pilot/1247893497.jpg

Say what you will but thats the real deal..

26mph in the back half is nuts. I see the slip, I'm just not sure how something like that happens - lots of full bolt on cars gain like 22-24mph in the back at best, and most arn't even that fast MPH wise. Must have been one heck of a gust of wind.

only wind was maybe a 2MPH cross wind.. and im sure some people think i may have more mods but i assure you i dont.. if i did id post it.. I wish i had long tubes and an ORY my car is too quiet!!!! but i spent alot of money on my suspension for autox.

26mph in the back half is nuts. I see the slip, I'm just not sure how something like that happens - lots of full bolt on cars gain like 22-24mph in the back at best, and most arn't even that fast MPH wise. Must have been one heck of a gust of wind.
I :lol: at that :D

In the 1/8th i am at 90 mph.. I trap at 115-116 but i am FULL BOLTS ONs with a cam....

I :lol: at that :D

In the 1/8th i am at 90 mph.. I trap at 115-116 but i am FULL BOLTS ONs with a cam....

Its reasonable for a cam/bolt-on's car to pick up that much - not so much for a stock SS car.

Its reasonable for a cam/bolt-on's car to pick up that much - not so much for a stock SS car.
Yeah i know.. I was jsut laughing at your comment..

Yeah i know.. I was jsut laughing at your comment..

:cheers:

Gotcha.

hey a local!

just get gomer to tune on it a little bit more! :pimp:

Yeah Gomer picked my car up 10hp by tuning it. Mine's "stock-ish" and put down 330 with the stock tune and detonation in the upper revs. He richened it up and I was happy with the results.

I know my car has a high 12 in it, but I'm too afraid to break the rear since it's a dd. On my 13.04 run my 60' was a 2.13, my 1/8th was an 8.55/86.5 and the 1/4 was 13.04/109.4 so I can see his run being legit. That 1/4 mph does look very fast though. Maybe he can back that run up the next time he's at the track.


R/t .314
60' 2.064
300' 5.624
1/8 8.499 @ 87.251
1000 10.935
1/4 12.989 @ 113.051

Next time this car will see a drag strip probably won't be til next year. I'm just going to chalk up my trap speed to aerodynamics. Less air under the car to create drag.

Susequent runs before this I ran a 13.4 @ 110
a 13.0 @ 111 and a tires spinning through second 14.6 @ 110. When I saw it ran 110 with the 14.6 I hot lapped and ran the 12.9.

In took it out when it was stock ride height a few months before and I was trapping 109 mph all stock with no suspension work.

Yea, I dunno how you got such a freak mph but you got the slip so I guess you can claim it. 12.9 is believable, and 110mph is also believeable, how you got 113mph nobody may ever know. What were the other full slips like - 1/8th ET and MPH wise?

Ill have to go get the slips and look.. but they werent far off.. the 14.6 @ 110 was hilarious though.. hella rice..

Good shit track junky!i have more auto x tires if you need some! As for bayarea ss you better learn how to get out the whole like daddy wit ur setup!

Good shit track junky!i have more auto x tires if you need some! As for bayarea ss you better learn how to get out the whole like daddy wit ur setup!

LOL. I can care less about what i run at the track.

LOL. I can care less about what i run at the track.Neither do I dont care what i run...I just know how to get out the whole like a bat outta hell! But hey dont worry im working on a freeway car as we speak lol :engarde:

Neither do I dont care what i run...I just know how to get out the whole like a bat outta hell! But hey dont worry im working on a freeway car as we speak lol :engarde:

oh shit its norcalmuscle. finally signed up on here.. lol :chug:

oh shit its norcalmuscle. finally signed up on here.. lol :chug:

Join Date: Oct 2008

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i = fail.

mb theres an ls6 cam in it :D

Neither do I dont care what i run...I just know how to get out the whole like a bat outta hell! But hey dont worry im working on a freeway car as we speak lol :engarde:

Keep throwing money at it. Maybe it will be able to beat me one day :engarde:

thats pretty quick man

I'd like to see the rest of the data - 60', 1/8th ET and mph - that MPH seems way high. An ET calculator estimates 320hp - reasonable, by MPH it estimates 394hp - thats not reasonable. The 1/8 mile stuff will help show what was going on - with a 2.0 60' you should have went faster than 12.9 with trap speeds like that.

What kind of ET/MPH did the car run on any other passes?

That's to Dame pretty! Like a girl in a red dress.

who brags about trap speeds?
ricers....lmao...or kids with rich mommies and daddies....haha...i run at bristol so we normaly dont get too caught up in trap speeds around here....
26mph in the back half is nuts. I see the slip, I'm just not sure how something like that happens - lots of full bolt on cars gain like 22-24mph in the back at best, and most arn't even that fast MPH wise. Must have been one heck of a gust of wind.

my 470rwhp setup only gained 26mph on the big end.....


Question to the OP....did you buy the car new???lots of sleeper cams that you would never know is there,kinda hard to see a lid catback car going 113 even in killer d/a....not that i would know anything about...good d/a to us here is like 3000".....

I usually trap 111-112mph, w/bolt-ons below, but I did have one nice weather perfect launch run that trap 113mph.

A dyno will tell if the car is stockish or not.

113 is pretty freaking insane. The back half MPH pickup is out there for a stock LS1 as well.

A dyno will tell if the car is stockish or not.

Dyno numbers won't tell you anything. I have seen exhaust/lid cars put down 375rwhp.

Dyno numbers won't tell you anything. I have seen exhaust/lid cars put down 375rwhp.

Hence why I said stockish. On a dynojet it should put down 310-330.

Those track times suggest he is up in the high 300s and nearing 400. No WAY a "stock" car is gonna run that fast. Even with the loads of suspension work done, thats just fast.

Hence why I said stockish. On a dynojet it should put down 310-330.

Those track times suggest he is up in the high 300s and nearing 400. No WAY a "stock" car is gonna run that fast. Even with the loads of suspension work done, thats just fast.

exhaust/lid isn't stockish?

Exactly. This guy says he ONLY has a lid.

12.7 @ 113 with just a lid.

Exactly. This guy says he ONLY has a lid.

12.7 @ 113 with just a lid.

ahhh!

^^????

^^????

I'm screaming because I feel bad for the OP just having a lid.


:lol:

When I trapped 113.0mph, I dynoed 342hp/351tq with cut out open. But with only lid=first mod with 1000 miles on the car I ran 13.2's @ 106mph. His track must be downhill.:D

fucck the dyno get that car on a scale and we can see what kindo of power the car is making

I'm screaming because I feel bad for the OP just having a lid.


:lol:

No I was agreeing with you a lid gave him a 12 sec car I hate to see what a cam would give him.:engarde:

No I was agreeing with you a lid gave him a 12 sec car I hate to see what a cam would give him.:engarde:

oooo! :chug:

9 second ride...

lollll lmao

my 470rwhp setup only gained 26mph on the big end.....


Question to the OP....did you buy the car new???lots of sleeper cams that you would never know is there,kinda hard to see a lid catback car going 113 even in killer d/a....not that i would know anything about...good d/a to us here is like 3000".....


Nope didnt buy the car new.. second owner though and have all the maint records.. nothing showing that it ever had a sleeper cam put in it or any cam for that matter. .. the thing is light though.. 3600 with me in it.. so 3400 no driver.. sac raceway is at like 100 FT above sea level as well..

Nope didnt buy the car new.. second owner though and have all the maint records.. nothing showing that it ever had a sleeper cam put in it or any cam for that matter. .. the thing is light though.. 3600 with me in it.. so 3400 no driver.. sac raceway is at like 100 FT above sea level as well..
That is not a light car. That is still a pig. Here is my car on the scale full interior full tank a gas.

With me in the car i was 3640.. When i go to the track car should be about 3450

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i96/torchd02ta/Trans%20Am/IMG00022.jpg

Interesting.. You have a light T/A!!! A fully optioned SS was put on the scale right before mine and weighed about 150-200 lbs more.. maybe our scale was wrong.. wasnt digital.. and who knows how long ago it was calibrated.. Ill have to ask my insider.. lol

Oh and thats a good lookin t/a i had a red WS6 just like that before i had my camaro.. and my WS6 ran a 13.0 @ 110 with a lid and catback before fate would have its way.. i miss that car..

And pardon the run on sentences.. i just got off work its 6 am..

Last time my 2001 SS was on the scales it was 3420, 1/4 tank, t-tops, traction control, just spare and jack removed. With me in it = 3610.

OP- what track did you run at and what day/time was it?

How much a stock 99Ta weights?

That is not a light car. That is still a pig. Here is my car on the scale full interior full tank a gas.

With me in the car i was 3640.. When i go to the track car should be about 3450

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i96/torchd02ta/Trans%20Am/IMG00022.jpg

THAT'S A PRETTY ASS TRANS AM MAN DAMEE!!!!:emb:

My current TA along with the GFs TA are both 3550 race weight..

My last trans am (the white one) weight just under 3200 race weight.. :chug:

OP- what track did you run at and what day/time was it?

The track was sacramento raceway, and it was about 830-9pm. aug 1st 2009

guess im going to have to find a digital scale to find out for sure what my race weight was.. im interested to find out why my car trapped so high myself.

The track was sacramento raceway, and it was about 830-9pm. aug 1st 2009

guess im going to have to find a digital scale to find out for sure what my race weight was.. im interested to find out why my car trapped so high myself.
That track is only 30' above sea level.. You lucky SOB...

The reason why we asked what track it was, was to figure out the DA that day.

Around the time you ran the DA was +826.. That is not to bad.

My car weighed in at 3440 as well.

That track is only 30' above sea level.. You lucky SOB...

The reason why we asked what track it was, was to figure out the DA that day.

Around the time you ran the DA was +826.. That is not to bad.


Anyone that lives around here can attest though that sac raceway prep is balls most of the time. And that night was no different. I may have had everything else working for me that night though. I'm going to have to watch the vid my friend got of it to see how hard I launched. To me it felt like I bogged. But the time tells a different story. My car had seen maybe 100 miles of driving since then. I need to change my oil. Lol!

Anyone that lives around here can attest though that sac raceway prep is balls most of the time. And that night was no different. I may have had everything else working for me that night though. I'm going to have to watch the vid my friend got of it to see how hard I launched. To me it felt like I bogged. But the time tells a different story. My car had seen maybe 100 miles of driving since then. I need to change my oil. Lol!

Yea sac isn't the best thats for sure. But we have to work with what we have i guess :bang:

Many years ago when my car was show room stock and with the oem tires on it that came on it from Chevy it weighed 3440 and ran a 12.96 @ 109.95 ... there have been quite a few cars that have run in the 12s when stock...check this link out...scroll down to post number 6 it is from a ford magazine test on a stock Z28 and the test car did a 12.89.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/1158474-13-7-fastest-4th-gen-f-body.html

WOW! That is a crazy trap speed, there has to be something done to that. I have never heard of an LS-1 trapping over 109mph stock.

With a lid and a catback he should be over 109... I did 108.59 with a bone stock Z28.

My car was 3440lbs as well...


60' 2.064
1/8 8.499 @ 87.251
1/4 12.989 @ 113.051


Wow that's really odd... I went 8.6 @ 85mph... your car must be screaming on the back half!!!!

Wow that's really odd... I went 8.6 @ 85mph... your car must be screaming on the back half!!!!

Thats what I'm saying - 12.9 I don't find that unbelivable, but picking up a full 26mph in the back half with a lid only LS1... :gtfo:

Thats a super high mph for being stock.... SS's usually trap at around 106mph

Ive seen them go as high as 109 stock...but yea that trap is super high for basically being a stock car.

With a lid and a catback he should be over 109... I did 108.59 with a bone stock Z28.

My car was 3440lbs as well...



Wow that's really odd... I went 8.6 @ 85mph... your car must be screaming on the back half!!!!

Had real good air and temp that day....plus this car has always been a little bit better than the average bear so to speak....it has been a DD it whole life and now has 191,000 + miles on it and uses a half quart of oil between 5,000 miles oil changes .... I bought it to ride ... :drive:... now its heads/cam bolt ons with LS6 intake that makes 452/418 ... its been a good one ... :D

PS I've seen some stock LS1 cars run 110 mph before. The first time I ever took this car down the track it went 107.

Ive seen them go as high as 109 stock...but yea that trap is super high for basically being a stock car.

I know you've seen some high trap speeds with that good air you all got in Jersey .... I used to run the Summer Nationals @ Englishtown back 30 + years ago and we always hauled azz whenever we went out there.

Thats what I'm saying - 12.9 I don't find that unbelivable, but picking up a full 26mph in the back half with a lid only LS1... :gtfo:

Lol it has an slp factory cat back too!!

and its low as hell! that is all!!

I have all the info for the previous owner ima track down his number and see if there might be something hiding in the block.. like a small cam.. it sure doesnt sound like it has anything though. unless its like a z06 cam.. But for sure it screams on the back half.. like i said i spun through 2nd alll the way through second the run before and still trapped 110.. insane..