12 Second Club - 12.54 at 114 MPH. 2.0 60'. How much left in it?

Went to the track last week. No rear sway bar killed me(Wheel Hop bad) and too little air pressure in the Nittos (12.5psi) It ran two back to back consistent runs at 113.94 (exact MPH both times :) never happen again probably) HORRIBLE 60' at 1.94 and 2.0. Lots to be gained there.

My question is, with that MPH, it has 11's in it does it not? It ran 89 MPH and 90 MPH at the 8th last two runs. I took the front sway bar off and added my BMR rear sway bar back to the car. It was off for my 9" install and never found its way back :lol:

So, you guys think this car will run 11's with a better 60'?

Basic mods in sig.

You will be real close but with that MPH 11's are still a lil ways away... 116-118mph should have you breaking the 11's with good 60's... I would say with a better 60 you should be a 12.2 give or take.... Just my .02

FYI my old camaro used to pull 11.9x -12.1x @ 116.xx mph with 1.9 60's.... If I can remember correctly I think my best time was an 11.92 @ 117.xx with a 1.8 60'.... But we had a good DA that day from what i remember...

ive ran 12.28 @ 111 so far, good runs

When I was cam/boltons stock suspension 3.73 gears out back I ran 11.8's-11.9's all day long at 113mph. I have a stalled auto though and was getting 1.63-1.64 60ft times with 275/40/17 m/t drs.

The car is also full weight plus around 100lbs of stereo stuff

Ya but a lot of people cant pull off 1.6 60's... Thats a real hard launch....

Ya but a lot of people cant pull off 1.6 60's... Thats a real hard launch....

especially with a bolt on 6spd car with stock gears.

the best ive done only a few times was 1.69 60's. that should change come fall of this year.


if this guy cut a 60' in the 1.65-1.70 range he could hit 11s. also if he waits until fall/winter time, he will drop a few tenths with some nice negative DA

The rear is a Moser 9" with a 4.11.

60' on all runs were 2.0/1.94. Horrible

Next run will have a bigger BMR rear sway bar. No front sway bar. 16 PSI nittos 555R's.

It has Hotchkiss SFC, Boxed LCA's, and BMR adjustable TQ Arm.

I need shocks badly. I am going back this Wed. Hoping for at least a 12.1 at 11X.

Ya but a lot of people cant pull off 1.6 60's... Thats a real hard launch....

What? 1.6s are easy, just launch around 1800 rpms and hold on...


Oh..wait..y'all are talking about 6spds ..hahahaa ;):gay:

Yes, the lowly 6 speed:)

Ill get my 1.7 60'. Maybe 3-4 tenths outta the 60' will result it .5 outta the big end and get me the 11 second I want.

Ya Lol, Damn 6 spd.... I launch at 2500 - 3K in my Goat with 25psi and never get traction even when I slip....

Ya but a lot of people cant pull off 1.6 60's... Thats a real hard launch....

All I was saying was what I ran. And that with his mph he has 11's in the bag with a good launch.

Will find out this Wednesday!

good luck!

Maybe someone here can give me thier experience know all's.

When I installed me Moser 9", I put the LCA's in the middle hole. They are almost perfectly straight when suspension is loaded. Do I want them straight, up, or down? Im just trying to get my wheel hop figured out. Even though Im pretty sure it had everything to do with not having a rear sway bar.

From what I've read, it's best to have them straight. But every car is different and you should adjust them by trial and error and see what works best for you :)

From what I've read, it's best to have them straight. But every car is different and you should adjust them by trial and error and see what works best for you :)

Thats my plan. Before I go and spend 1300 bucks on double adjustable Koni's/QA-1's, Im going to experiment with the 3 holes.

Im really hoping adding my rear sway bar and removing the front sway bar will help. Plus adding 4-5 PSI to the Nitto DR's (Were at 12.5 PSI). Im excited, I want the 11 second badly :drive:

Ya but a lot of people cant pull off 1.6 60's... Thats a real hard launch....

Look at what the OP originally asked...



So, you guys think this car will run 11's with a better 60'?

Basic mods in sig.

Short answer...YES

I ran a 12.30 @ 115 with a 1.9 60' on 17'' street tires slipping the clutch at 3K

Well, it didnt change. These Nittos are coming off pronto. I went 12.4 at 116 all night. Tried 6 different tire pressures, and 6 different RPM launch's. Im gonna throw my MT ET's back on, and maybe take my buddies 15" slick. Just not looking forward to grinding is all.

I didnt buy this damn 2500 9" to spin all damn day long, I want some 1.6's!

Well, it didnt change. These Nittos are coming off pronto. I went 12.4 at 116 all night. Tried 6 different tire pressures, and 6 different RPM launch's. Im gonna throw my MT ET's back on, and maybe take my buddies 15" slick. Just not looking forward to grinding is all.

I didnt buy this damn 2500 9" to spin all damn day long, I want some 1.6's!
What were your 60' with the Nitto DRs????

What were your 60' with the Nitto DRs????

They have all been horrible. Lots of 2.0's. Lots. Actually, my best MPH was at 116 MPH and that was with one of my worst 60's ever. I think it was a 2.18. The fastest 60' I have gotten out of these tires is a 1.94. I will admit, Im not the best 6 speed driver at the track. Shifting is fine, I blow through the gears with no problem. Its the launch. This is what I tried with these Nitto 555R's

20 PSI - 3600 RPM dump. Spun badly. Probably 25 feet.

17 PSI 3000 RPM Dump. Still spun. Not as far, but still close to a 2.0

14/15 PSI 3200 PSI and tried slipping the clutch. I screwed it up, badly. But that was my fastest MPH ever. Was IIRC 115.89. That didnt make sense, Horrible start, with the fastest finish.

13 PSI 2000 RPM dump and it BOGGED the motor way far down and I lost to a stock SRT-8 that I was running 1.5 seconds faster then all night. Obviously not enough RPM because it bogged the motor down so, so bad. I just cant seem to find a happy medium of tire PSI and RPM with these tires. The MT ET streets will be on next Wednesday. I would hope I get at least a 1.8.

All 6 of my runs were 90-92 MPH at the 8th mile. I want out of the damn 12's! :lol:

They have all been horrible. Lots of 2.0's. Lots. Actually, my best MPH was at 116 MPH and that was with one of my worst 60's ever. I think it was a 2.18. The fastest 60' I have gotten out of these tires is a 1.94. I will admit, Im not the best 6 speed driver at the track. Shifting is fine, I blow through the gears with no problem. Its the launch. This is what I tried with these Nitto 555R's

20 PSI - 3600 RPM dump. Spun badly. Probably 25 feet.

17 PSI 3000 RPM Dump. Still spun. Not as far, but still close to a 2.0

14/15 PSI 3200 PSI and tried slipping the clutch. I screwed it up, badly. But that was my fastest MPH ever. Was IIRC 115.89. That didnt make sense, Horrible start, with the fastest finish.

13 PSI 2000 RPM dump and it BOGGED the motor way far down and I lost to a stock SRT-8 that I was running 1.5 seconds faster then all night. Obviously not enough RPM because it bogged the motor down so, so bad. I just cant seem to find a happy medium of tire PSI and RPM with these tires. The MT ET streets will be on next Wednesday. I would hope I get at least a 1.8.

All 6 of my runs were 90-92 MPH at the 8th mile. I want out of the damn 12's! :lol:
When i launch my Nittos (street tires) i was reving it up to 3K and feathering the clutch out. Best i pulled was a 1.9 60....

I want out of the 12s too... I bought some alloy 16x8 and jsut ordered some M/Ts today..

What? 1.6s are easy, just launch around 1800 rpms and hold on...


Oh..wait..y'all are talking about 6spds ..hahahaa ;):gay:

I leave at 1000 and cut mid 1.5s.



This guy has a fucking 9 inch. Throw some slicks on it and leave on the damn limiter. You've got the MPH to run mid 11s right now.

This guy has a fucking 9 inch. Throw some slicks on it and leave on the damn limiter. You've got the MPH to run mid 11s right now.


this makes sense..just hope you have a good clutch and driveshaft...& loop
btw I just broke my driveshaft last night doing the same thing..lol

Clutch is a Spec 3. Driveshaft is a PST from EPP. Driveshaft loop is a BMR, that I FORGOT to install. I put my DS in, torqued the bolts... then looked over and the loop was laying 10 feet away :lol:. I will get it back on sometime.

I dont understand with your mods why you are not running mid 11's..
If i were you id be very dissappointed with your times for a h/c 6.0.
times are garbage

I dont understand with your mods why you are not running mid 11's..
If i were you id be very dissappointed with your times for a h/c 6.0.
times are garbage

Well, Im not happy with them OBVIOUSLY. I think alot has to do with my crappy 60's. If I could shave .3 tenths of the 60', I think with the MPH im running I would have a good chance at high 11'.

Well, I went 12.2 at 115 MPH(1.81 60'). I bet Ill get my 11's this wednesday.

Well, I went 12.2 at 115 MPH(1.81 60'). I bet Ill get my 11's this wednesday.

That's a start....

IMO that thing should be trapping 118mph+ easy.

Get some video of your runs - it helps figure out the launching.

I'm hoping to get into the 11's with bolt-on's soon.

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/hi-po2/?action=view&current=MVI_1796.flv

I have tons of videos. This is the 12.2 run. Also, this run was hot lapped. Thats why the burnout was minor.

Was that on nitto's?

Sound's like you are leaving at a low rpm.

My car falls on it face if I don't let it spin a little. Makes a huge difference in the 330' times.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/12-second-club/1179065-new-best-bolt-m6.html

Was that on nitto's?

Sound's like you are leaving at a low rpm.

My car falls on it face if I don't let it spin a little. Makes a huge difference in the 330' times.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/12-second-club/1179065-new-best-bolt-m6.html

MT ET Street Radials.

I think your right. Honestly, I think that was at 3800 RPM. I forgot my datalogger that day. I just learned how to slip this clutch:) I bet if I slip it 4500-5000 RPM it will help alot.

Radials will probably take a little slip to make them work.

My car seems to like the clutch dumped to shock the tires/suspension. But I'm on bias ply ET Streets.

Radials will probably take a little slip to make them work.

My car seems to like the clutch dumped to shock the tires/suspension. But I'm on bias ply ET Streets.

Yea, dumping the clutch was just not working. I gained over 2 tenths by slipping the clutch. Im thinking if I launch at a way higher RPM and slip the clutch like last time I can get some 1.7's at least. I would love a different tire setup, but money has gotten really tight with the lay off. These stock shocks/springs have to be hurting me big time also. Thats the next thing to be changed. Not this year though :(

I went from a 12.3 @116 with a 2.0 down to a 11.77 @119.97 with a 1.77 60'
I'd say you have 11's if you can launch it. I'm a 6spd with 3.90 gears and a WAY smaller rear end in my Datsun lol. I was on 235wide DR's too.

git-r-done!

Wellm went back tonight. Improved the 60' greatly. I will post the full time slip tomorrow with video.

basics.

1.71 60'
12.1 1320
115.5 MPH

Cant seem to get out of these 12's

What did you run in that vid????

What? 1.6s are easy, just launch around 1800 rpms and hold on...


Oh..wait..y'all are talking about 6spds ..hahahaa ;):gay:

Gay is driving an auto.:gay: My dead grandmother could drive that weak shit. Learn to d-r-i-v-e, get some talent, then go get a car with a manual transmission and clutch the way God meant sports cars to be.:nod:

What did you run in that vid????

That video was a 12.3. I have 2 videos from last night with the 12.1 pass's.

Gay is driving an auto.:gay: My dead grandmother could drive that weak shit. Learn to d-r-i-v-e, get some talent, then go get a car with a manual transmission and clutch the way God meant sports cars to be.:nod:

I want an auto f-body so bad but when i hear stuff like this it makes me feel like a.. well... hmm.. like a non-knowing-how-to-drive-bitch

Now i have to debate with myself over an A4 or an M6 all over again... :argh:

Gay is driving an auto.:gay: My dead grandmother could drive that weak shit. Learn to d-r-i-v-e, get some talent, then go get a car with a manual transmission and clutch the way God meant sports cars to be.:nod:

What if you drive own a stick but you can't drive it? Wouldn't that make you more gay than a person with an auto?

The launch in that vid didn't show much tire spin at all.

The launch in that vid didn't show much tire spin at all.

Alright. Now, does that mean that my 12.1 is about all im goin to see out of it? Im just trying to get a 11 second pass really. The whole 11 second street car is what im going for :) Heres a couple video's of the 12.1 second pass's. I also have a few HPT datalog's if anyone wants to see them.

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/hi-po2/?action=view&current=MVI_1835.flv

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/hi-po2/?action=view&current=MVI_1836.flv

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/hi-po2/?action=view&current=MVI_1836.flv

You have 11s in it. Drop your 60' down to the 1.7-1.8 range and you got it. My z06 traps 116-117 and runs 11.8. Thats with a 1.77 60'. I think i have another tenth or 2 with it once the DA drops even more.

You have 11s in it. Drop your 60' down to the 1.7-1.8 range and you got it. My z06 traps 116-117 and runs 11.8. Thats with a 1.77 60'. I think i have another tenth or 2 with it once the DA drops even more.

See, I already ran a 1.71 and got a 12.1 though? I felt like that 60' was very good compared to what I was getting. Seems I have to get it down to 1.6's to see my 11's. I dont get it, should I post all the numbers from my timeslips? I dont understand why im still in the 12's, MPH isnt great... but it should be good for 11's. 60' was decent. A 1.71 should have been good for 11's.

Sorry completely missed that. Launch looks good, how are your shifts? Sounds like you hit the limiter on the 1-2 2-3 shift in that first video? Do you log your runs? I do and it helps so i can get all my shifts within 50rpm of each other. What do you shift at? Where does your car peak power at?

Alright. Now, does that mean that my 12.1 is about all im goin to see out of it? Im just trying to get a 11 second pass really. The whole 11 second street car is what im going for :)

I'm not saying that. I don't know enough about the details of trap speed vs ET to make any conclusions. I'm just thinking I'd like to get mine to come out of the hole that clean. I'd be a happy camper if I could.

Breakdown of the timeslip would help.

1.7101 60 ft
5.0690 330 ft
7.8229 1/8th et
90.92 1/8th MPH
10.1748 1000 ft ET
104.43 1000 ft MPH
12.1340 1/4 ET
115.65 1/4 MPH

Sorry completely missed that. Launch looks good, how are your shifts? Sounds like you hit the limiter on the 1-2 2-3 shift in that first video? Do you log your runs? I do and it helps so i can get all my shifts within 50rpm of each other. What do you shift at? Where does your car peak power at?

Yea, I datalog must of my runs. The best run I had... I hit limiter on 1-2 AND 3-4. I betting that cost me my 11 second slip. :( I need to get my 5" tach dialed in, because the stock Tach just aint cutting it. Seems to be almost 200 RPMs off.

Heres another pass

1.7.902 60 ft
5.1382 330 ft
7.8683 1/8th et
91.06 1/8th MPH
10.2222 1000 ft ET
104.19 1000 ft MPH
12.1852 1/4 ET
115.35 1/4 MPH

Your times appear to be in line with mine:
60 - 1.722
330 - 5.056
1/8 - 7.811
MPH - 89.91
1000 - 10.188
1/4 - 12.185
MPH - 113.32

Just 2 mph faster....I'd start looking at the tune, you just aren't making the power that it should.

Your times appear to be in line with mine:
60 - 1.722
330 - 5.056
1/8 - 7.811
MPH - 89.91
1000 - 10.188
1/4 - 12.185
MPH - 113.32

Just 2 mph faster....I'd start looking at the tune, you just aren't making the power that it should.

Yea, thats what im starting to think. I dont think im going to be able to tune it further this year. Racing season is almost over, and I dont think I will have this setup much longer. Hell I might be 1000 miles away from my car here really soon:( I might try to call around and get some pricing, but I have spent an ungodly amount of money on tuning.

Yea, thats what im starting to think. I dont think im going to be able to tune it further this year. Racing season is almost over, and I dont think I will have this setup much longer. Hell I might be 1000 miles away from my car here really soon:( I might try to call around and get some pricing, but I have spent an ungodly amount of money on tuning.

Maybe it's time for a leak down test as well?

Don't you have HP Tuners? If I recall you're running speed density?

I don't know much about SD tuning - but it can't be hard. Just dial in the afr on a few WOT passes and bump the timing a couple degrees until you get it where it wants to be.

I was always told 4400 was a pretty good sweet spot to launch at. A friend of mine leaves at 5500 and goes 11.70's on a 347 with ported 241's and a decent sized cam. His 60's were in the 1.7's

I leave @ 5500rpm of a 2-step.

The car leaves harder off the 2-step then it does without it.

I need a little spin to keep it from bogging a 100ft out.

Maybe it's time for a leak down test as well?

Don't you have HP Tuners? If I recall you're running speed density?

I don't know much about SD tuning - but it can't be hard. Just dial in the afr on a few WOT passes and bump the timing a couple degrees until you get it where it wants to be.
Yes, the leakdown test needs to be done. I think the tune is pretty close to spot on. Im looking at buying the F1A Procharger kit and getting away from all this NA sillyness :)
I leave @ 5500rpm of a 2-step.

The car leaves harder off the 2-step then it does without it.

I need a little spin to keep it from bogging a 100ft out.

5000 seems to work well for me. Whats this 2 step I keep hearing about?

Yes, the leakdown test needs to be done. I think the tune is pretty close to spot on. Im looking at buying the F1A Procharger kit and getting away from all this NA sillyness :)


5000 seems to work well for me. Whats this 2 step I keep hearing about?

MSD and Lingenfelter make them.

You set the desired rpm - active the trigger and floor it, car goes to desired rpm until you disable the trigger.

Hitting the limiter will cost you valuable time. That could be .1-2 right there. I suggest getting a shift light so you don't have to look down, set it 100rpm before redline and you will get those shifts perfect. I think you got 11s. Just keep practicing. Your stock tach could also be off. All of this is easy to tell by adding a shift light and logging the runs.

Just watched your videos - I couldn't at work earlier.

Do your burnout in 2nd gear....

Also your bogging the shit out your car on the launch - Leave higher and let it spin a little.

Just watched your videos - I couldn't at work earlier.

Do your burnout in 2nd gear....

Also your bogging the shit out your car on the launch - Leave higher and let it spin a little.

Really??? 2nd gear burnout? Alright.

Im already leaving at 5000 RPMs. Should I TRY to NOT slip the clutch as much and shock the wheels just a little more? If thats even possible for me:) Any higher and ill be leaving at 6000 RPM, slipping the clutch.

Whats so much better about a 2nd gear burnout? Thought I have been getting some good burnouts.

Oh ya if your not doing a 2nd gear burnout your not getting enough heat in those tires. I just dump the clutch in 2nd then quickly move my left foot to the brake.

I am on a stock clutch and diff in my car...but i launch around 3000 and quick relase of the clutch not so much of a dump. So yes i slip the clutch, of course with your rear and your clutch it can take little bit more. Just try different techniques. I didn't think your launch was terrible, your 60' is pretty good.

Just watched your videos again, your 1st run launch was good, 2nd run you bogged, just take a lot of notes of what you changed each run.

Oh ya if your not doing a 2nd gear burnout your not getting enough heat in those tires. I just dump the clutch in 2nd then quickly move my left foot to the brake.

I am on a stock clutch and diff in my car...but i launch around 3000 and quick relase of the clutch not so much of a dump. So yes i slip the clutch, of course with your rear and your clutch it can take little bit more. Just try different techniques. I didn't think your launch was terrible, your 60' is pretty good.

Just watched your videos again, your 1st run launch was good, 2nd run you bogged, just take a lot of notes of what you changed each run.

Your not kidding, takes alot of practice! But damn its fun! Going back again this Wednesday, and wont be able to make it again the following Friday sadly. Its all about having a good time. Next year this time, things will be different. I know this setup is not running perfect, and Ive come to terms with that. Im still thinking I will get my 11 second slip this year. Then the motor will be torn down, with something nasty to follow.

12.21 @ 114 is what I ran, I ran a similer time as you with a 2.0 60. my 60 may of been a 2.2 when I ran a 12.5x

hi po, dont take this the wrong way, because im not saying this to be a dick


do your burnout in 2nd gear, that on/off the throttle shit in 1st gear will not heat up the tires enough. 2nd gear and stay on the throttle until u see smoke rolling out

your launch- launch at 6k on those slicks. the tires will take the shock. the car is falling on its face!

your shifts- need much improvement. i shift my daily driver like that when i go to the store. shift faster!

do these three things in some decent air and you will see 11s :D

hi po, dont take this the wrong way, because im not saying this to be a dick


do your burnout in 2nd gear, that on/off the throttle shit in 1st gear will not heat up the tires enough. 2nd gear and stay on the throttle until u see smoke rolling out

your launch- launch at 6k on those slicks. the tires will take the shock. the car is falling on its face!

your shifts- need much improvement. i shift my daily driver like that when i go to the store. shift faster!

do these three things in some decent air and you will see 11s :D

Advice taken, I don't see why some people (most) get all worked up from constructive criticism like that. Thanks. I bet I would have had my 11 sec on this pass... but the transmission locked up on me. I went to hit 2nd, and I couldn't get it into any gear for almost 2 hours. I bought the remote bleeder off Tick performance, and I'm going to flush the system. I drove it home (65 miles) and it drove fine. I didn't smell any clutch at all, and the pedal did not stick. I don't know where to look so I'm going to try flushing. I did pull the best 60 ft yet though on that pass :( a 1.69. Too bad i didn't get to finish the run. I thought this launch was good, It sure felt good. I left at 5500 RPM. 500 RPM higher then last time.

http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/hi-po2/?action=view&current=MVI_1837.flv

I wont be able to get to the track at all this week, going on a road trip.

Advice taken, I don't see why some people (most) get all worked up from constructive criticism like that. Thanks. I bet I would have had my 11 sec on this pass... but the transmission locked up on me. I went to hit 2nd, and I couldn't get it into any gear for almost 2 hours. I bought the remote bleeder off Tick performance, and I'm going to flush the system. I drove it home (65 miles) and it drove fine. I didn't smell any clutch at all, and the pedal did not stick. I don't know where to look so I'm going to try flushing. I did pull the best 60 ft yet though on that pass :( a 1.69. Too bad i didn't get to finish the run. I thought this launch was good, It sure felt good. I left at 5500 RPM. 500 RPM higher then last time.


I wont be able to get to the track at all this week, going on a road trip.

Im fairly new here and don't want to come off like i'm telling you anything youdon't allready know. I am also trying to drive a 115-117mph 6sp (02Z60) to an 11. Best of 12.2 so far with a 1.8 and piss poor shifting. Good progression. you really have dialed in that 60ft. in conjuction with faster shifting as mentioned, staying off the rev limiter 1-2, 3-4 shifts has helped me trmendously. Hope you can put it all together!

Im fairly new here and don't want to come off like i'm telling you anything youdon't allready know. I am also trying to drive a 115-117mph 6sp (02Z60) to an 11. Best of 12.2 so far with a 1.8 and piss poor shifting. Good progression. you really have dialed in that 60ft. in conjuction with faster shifting as mentioned, staying off the rev limiter 1-2, 3-4 shifts has helped me trmendously. Hope you can put it all together!

Yea, I feel I have the 60' down pretty well. I hope to get back this Wednesday, not hit the limiter :lol: and pull the same if not better 60'.

[QUOTE=Hi-Po;12329331]Advice taken, I don't see why some people (most) get all worked up from constructive criticism like that. Thanks. I bet I would have had my 11 sec on this pass... but the transmission locked up on me. I went to hit 2nd, and I couldn't get it into any gear for almost 2 hours. QUOTE]

that launch definately looked better, that figures too right? good launch and then the car pulls that crap on you. the same thing happened to a couple friends of mine. 2 of them welded the clutch to the flywheel. best bet would be to bleed it and maybe adjust your clutch pedal a lil bit if need be. youll hit 11s. seat time ftw

Went 12.04 at 116 with a crappy 1.74 60' last night. Going back tomorrow hopefully and maybe enter in some bracket racing.

Went 11.90 all night at anywhere from 115-117 with low 1.7/high 1.6 60's.

Then the motor had some serious issues. Burned half the oil off the dipstick on the last run, smoke machine to say the least:(

Bigger and better next time. Motor is toast probably

Damn..Right when you hit your goal too..

O well like you said bigger and better.. Do i hear a lsx 427/454 on its way?:secret2: