Camaro_94
08-26-2009, 09:00 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32567404/ns/business-autos/?GT1=43001
Found this article interesting and thought I'd post it up here.
Found this article interesting and thought I'd post it up here.
Automotive News, Media & Press - Cash for clunkers results!
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Blackened2k
08-26-2009, 11:04 PM
700,000 cars moved... not bad at all.
two months later you'll probably see a similar article:
400,000 cars repossessed...
two months later you'll probably see a similar article:
400,000 cars repossessed...
ChaseSS
08-27-2009, 09:08 AM
700,000 cars moved... not bad at all.
two months later you'll probably see a similar article:
400,000 cars repossessed...
:jest: unfortunately I think your right
two months later you'll probably see a similar article:
400,000 cars repossessed...
:jest: unfortunately I think your right
Tainted
08-27-2009, 09:23 AM
we are still gonna end up paying for that in the long run.
how bout we all move to holland and just ride bikes?
how bout we all move to holland and just ride bikes?
z_speedfreak
08-27-2009, 09:24 AM
so japanese manufacturers had the most sales:rolleyes: some one should crunch the numbers and see how much tax payer money is going to foreign companies. it is SO retarded the US is giving corporate welfare to foreign companies now. and we have how much of a deficit? how big of a debt?? wtf..
TT632
08-27-2009, 12:27 PM
Hey, Maybe the Japanese or the Korean governments will subsidize our vehicles in their homelands. We already import too many Foreign vehicles with our our taxes going to support them too.
With the top 4 best selling vehicles having their final assembly plants in the US it will be somewhat good for American Jobs.
Unfortunately the Prius, Elantra, Fit and Versa have no American content. We are supporting workers in Foreign countries with our tax dollars that are all but closed to our products.
Basically, We are the only nation in the world that preaches globalism while these these Foreign countries continue to take advantage of us. In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming:judge:
The same people that complain about tax payers supporting GM seem to be silent when our own money is supporting Japanese and Korean jobs at a loss to our own.
With the top 4 best selling vehicles having their final assembly plants in the US it will be somewhat good for American Jobs.
Unfortunately the Prius, Elantra, Fit and Versa have no American content. We are supporting workers in Foreign countries with our tax dollars that are all but closed to our products.
Basically, We are the only nation in the world that preaches globalism while these these Foreign countries continue to take advantage of us. In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming:judge:
The same people that complain about tax payers supporting GM seem to be silent when our own money is supporting Japanese and Korean jobs at a loss to our own.
litemup02
08-28-2009, 02:37 PM
how bout we all move to holland and just ride bikes?
I'll pass... My cousin lives there and works for valvoline...she said it takes her between 1-2 hrs to go 15 miles to work! Must be alot of bikes in the way:jest:
I'll pass... My cousin lives there and works for valvoline...she said it takes her between 1-2 hrs to go 15 miles to work! Must be alot of bikes in the way:jest:
Spoolin
08-29-2009, 04:57 AM
In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming:judge:
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
z_speedfreak
08-29-2009, 08:13 AM
In addition these Foreign vehicles have to be shipped half way around the world on Diesel powered ships further contributing to global warming:judge:
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon:eek: (of bunker fuel burned;) )
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon:eek: (of bunker fuel burned;) )
greysteel_M6
08-29-2009, 08:44 AM
so japanese manufacturers had the most sales:rolleyes: some one should crunch the numbers and see how much tax payer money is going to foreign companies. it is SO retarded the US is giving corporate welfare to foreign companies now. and we have how much of a deficit? how big of a debt?? wtf..
11.7 Trillion, with an additional projected 9 Trillion in the next 10 years, Idk if that 11.7 includes the 1.8 Trillion deficit for this fiscal year though.
11.7 Trillion, with an additional projected 9 Trillion in the next 10 years, Idk if that 11.7 includes the 1.8 Trillion deficit for this fiscal year though.
z_speedfreak
08-29-2009, 12:04 PM
11.7 Trillion, with an additional projected 9 Trillion in the next 10 years, Idk if that 11.7 includes the 1.8 Trillion deficit for this fiscal year though.
christ... its like its so big they don't even care anymore. ehh whats another trillion? HA can you imagine if all americans were as financially irresponsible as our gov't??
christ... its like its so big they don't even care anymore. ehh whats another trillion? HA can you imagine if all americans were as financially irresponsible as our gov't??
black84z28
08-29-2009, 02:48 PM
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
i bet i could prove you wrong on that sir.
i bet i could prove you wrong on that sir.
Spoolin
08-29-2009, 03:51 PM
i bet i could prove you wrong on that sir.
Please do...
(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
Please do...
(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
black84z28
08-29-2009, 07:18 PM
Please do...
(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
about 99% of the great lakes fleet runs off diesel, i know because i repair them.
(As long as you don't include ships that are not part of the commercial trade such as Military ships, FF's, fishingboats, and such. I'm talking fuel used for propulsion of commercial vessels, they don't run on diesel unless they are inside of the 25nm pollution zone off the State of California.)
about 99% of the great lakes fleet runs off diesel, i know because i repair them.
black84z28
08-29-2009, 07:20 PM
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon:eek: (of bunker fuel burned;) )
what one are you referring too?
what one are you referring too?
Spoolin
08-29-2009, 07:49 PM
about 99% of the great lakes fleet runs off diesel, i know because i repair them.
Gotcha, Not very familiar with the great lake fleets and their requirements. Freshwater fleets operate under different environmental guidelines than the Saltwater fleets, similar to the EPA regulations in CA regulated waters I presume.
what one are you referring too?
Slow speed diesel engine's the world over are built and designed to work on HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) or Bunker C. They consume about 44-50 barrels of fuel a day on a typical post-panamax Container ship. They can also run on Diesel when in areas of heightened enviromental concerns like the Great lakes and off the Ca coast.
Here's a post I made about 2 years ago regarding a ship I worked on, I too work on these engines and a Marine engineer as well as a Navigation officer. Diesel is too expensive to run on these ships on a Daily basis, last summer during the escalated high oil prices it would cost a ship 1.4 million for a fill up, and that was on the cheaper Bunker C.
http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=402343
Gotcha, Not very familiar with the great lake fleets and their requirements. Freshwater fleets operate under different environmental guidelines than the Saltwater fleets, similar to the EPA regulations in CA regulated waters I presume.
what one are you referring too?
Slow speed diesel engine's the world over are built and designed to work on HFO (Heavy Fuel Oil) or Bunker C. They consume about 44-50 barrels of fuel a day on a typical post-panamax Container ship. They can also run on Diesel when in areas of heightened enviromental concerns like the Great lakes and off the Ca coast.
Here's a post I made about 2 years ago regarding a ship I worked on, I too work on these engines and a Marine engineer as well as a Navigation officer. Diesel is too expensive to run on these ships on a Daily basis, last summer during the escalated high oil prices it would cost a ship 1.4 million for a fill up, and that was on the cheaper Bunker C.
http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=402343
z_speedfreak
08-29-2009, 09:25 PM
what one are you referring too?
this one>
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/nameduser/EM005.jpg
http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=402343
thats awesome!! PM'd ya btw ;)
this one>
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/nameduser/EM005.jpg
http://www.performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=402343
thats awesome!! PM'd ya btw ;)
black84z28
08-29-2009, 09:46 PM
this one>
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/nameduser/EM005.jpg
that bitch is big but not as big as the 1500ft long oil jug that is floating out there.
spoolin..you could be very right about that. far as i know is these pigs run diesel but fuel oil is probably what they run. but i have seen the huge rooms that house the diesels. big big motors. these ships range from 600-1013ft on the great lakes. a few recently have been converted from steam to diesel and one is sitting and awaiting a conversion to a self unloader. cool stuff you learn about these boats. the ship that was with the edmund fitzgerald is sitting at bayship building co. in sturgeon bay wi. i usually work there during the winter.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f382/nameduser/EM005.jpg
that bitch is big but not as big as the 1500ft long oil jug that is floating out there.
spoolin..you could be very right about that. far as i know is these pigs run diesel but fuel oil is probably what they run. but i have seen the huge rooms that house the diesels. big big motors. these ships range from 600-1013ft on the great lakes. a few recently have been converted from steam to diesel and one is sitting and awaiting a conversion to a self unloader. cool stuff you learn about these boats. the ship that was with the edmund fitzgerald is sitting at bayship building co. in sturgeon bay wi. i usually work there during the winter.
99bowtieZ
08-29-2009, 10:12 PM
indeed, the largest ship in service right now gets 28ft per gallon:eek: (of bunker fuel burned;) )
I thought my mileage was bad...
I thought my mileage was bad...
Spoolin
08-29-2009, 10:42 PM
spoolin..you could be very right about that. far as i know is these pigs run diesel but fuel oil is probably what they run. but i have seen the huge rooms that house the diesels. big big motors. these ships range from 600-1013ft on the great lakes. a few recently have been converted from steam to diesel and one is sitting and awaiting a conversion to a self unloader. cool stuff you learn about these boats. the ship that was with the edmund fitzgerald is sitting at bayship building co. in sturgeon bay wi. i usually work there during the winter.
Like I said I'm not familiar with the fresh water regulations but all M/V are labeled as Diesels but most of them run HFO Bunker C for cost reasons, however it does not burn as clean as diesel. That link of the engine build is labeled as a "diesel" ship but rarely does it use that as it's fuel. Also "post-panamax" = +1000ft long.
This was my last ship...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i189/Flovian/DutchShipTight.jpg
Overall length was 1053ft or so. Engine was rated at 66,000HP and 1,000,000 TQ :D
Like I said I'm not familiar with the fresh water regulations but all M/V are labeled as Diesels but most of them run HFO Bunker C for cost reasons, however it does not burn as clean as diesel. That link of the engine build is labeled as a "diesel" ship but rarely does it use that as it's fuel. Also "post-panamax" = +1000ft long.
This was my last ship...
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i189/Flovian/DutchShipTight.jpg
Overall length was 1053ft or so. Engine was rated at 66,000HP and 1,000,000 TQ :D
2002_Z28_Six_Speed
08-29-2009, 11:42 PM
BTW...Ships don't run on diesel.
Damn?!?! I really thought container ships ran on diesel. Well you are the authority on that. :judge:
Learn something everyday! :cool:
Damn?!?! I really thought container ships ran on diesel. Well you are the authority on that. :judge:
Learn something everyday! :cool:
z_speedfreak
08-30-2009, 09:23 AM
I thought my mileage was bad...
its pretty crazy but its the cheapest way to move goods, on a ship like that its cheaper to move a container across the pacific than it is to move it from port to its destination over land.
Overall length was 1053ft or so. Engine was rated at 66,000HP and 1,000,000 TQ :D
DAMN! got any pics of the trans & shaft? I can't imagine how big they are
its pretty crazy but its the cheapest way to move goods, on a ship like that its cheaper to move a container across the pacific than it is to move it from port to its destination over land.
Overall length was 1053ft or so. Engine was rated at 66,000HP and 1,000,000 TQ :D
DAMN! got any pics of the trans & shaft? I can't imagine how big they are
Spoolin
08-30-2009, 03:36 PM
DAMN! got any pics of the trans & shaft? I can't imagine how big they are
Slow speed diesels don't have transmissions. They are direct drive. Engine turns, so does the screw. Medium speed diesels have reduction gears and some have a clutch. Air operated and makes for a cool show when it engages!! :) But medium speed diesels are used mostly on smaller ships, large ones primarily use slow speeds, rated at around 100rpm.
Slow speed diesels don't have transmissions. They are direct drive. Engine turns, so does the screw. Medium speed diesels have reduction gears and some have a clutch. Air operated and makes for a cool show when it engages!! :) But medium speed diesels are used mostly on smaller ships, large ones primarily use slow speeds, rated at around 100rpm.
black84z28
08-30-2009, 05:20 PM
Like I said I'm not familiar with the fresh water regulations but all M/V are labeled as Diesels but most of them run HFO Bunker C for cost reasons, however it does not burn as clean as diesel. That link of the engine build is labeled as a "diesel" ship but rarely does it use that as it's fuel. Also "post-panamax" = +1000ft long.
This was my last ship...
this was my last ship. hehe this is fun :) i really love these things.
http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newpictures03/Mesabi-Miner-Bow-6-03.jpg
The Mesabi Miner is powered by 2 Pielstick 16PC2-2V-400 single acting, 4 stroke cycle V-16 cylinder 8,000 b.h.p. (5,968 kW) turbo-charged diesel engines burning intermediate grade 280 fuel and driving 2 controllable pitch propellers giving the vessel a rated service speed of 15.5 m.p.h. These engines were built by the Fairbanks Morse Engine Div. of Colt Industries International, Inc. of Beloit, WI. She is equipped with a 1,500 h.p. (1,119 kW) bow thruster. The vessel is capable of carrying 63,300 gross tons (64,317 mt) of iron ore at a mid-summer draft of 29' 01" (8.86m); the product being contained in 7 holds serviced by 36 hatches. Her cubic carrying capacity for coal is 57,200 net tons* (51,892 mt). The Mesabi Miner's self-unloading system consists of a gravity fed 3-belt hopper/belt system feeding a stern mounted 265' (80.77m) discharge boom that can unload up to 10,000 tons of iron ore or 6,000 net tons of coal per hour. She is equipped with modern pollution control systems that effectively handle the ship's waste and cargo dust.
Overall Dimensions (metric)
Length 1004' 00" (306.02m)
Beam 105' 00" (32.00m)
Depth 50' 00" (15.24m)
Capacity (mid-summer) 63,300 tons (64,317 mt)
at draft of 29'01" (8.86m)
Power (diesel) 16,000 b.h.p. (11,936 kW)
This was my last ship...
this was my last ship. hehe this is fun :) i really love these things.
http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newpictures03/Mesabi-Miner-Bow-6-03.jpg
The Mesabi Miner is powered by 2 Pielstick 16PC2-2V-400 single acting, 4 stroke cycle V-16 cylinder 8,000 b.h.p. (5,968 kW) turbo-charged diesel engines burning intermediate grade 280 fuel and driving 2 controllable pitch propellers giving the vessel a rated service speed of 15.5 m.p.h. These engines were built by the Fairbanks Morse Engine Div. of Colt Industries International, Inc. of Beloit, WI. She is equipped with a 1,500 h.p. (1,119 kW) bow thruster. The vessel is capable of carrying 63,300 gross tons (64,317 mt) of iron ore at a mid-summer draft of 29' 01" (8.86m); the product being contained in 7 holds serviced by 36 hatches. Her cubic carrying capacity for coal is 57,200 net tons* (51,892 mt). The Mesabi Miner's self-unloading system consists of a gravity fed 3-belt hopper/belt system feeding a stern mounted 265' (80.77m) discharge boom that can unload up to 10,000 tons of iron ore or 6,000 net tons of coal per hour. She is equipped with modern pollution control systems that effectively handle the ship's waste and cargo dust.
Overall Dimensions (metric)
Length 1004' 00" (306.02m)
Beam 105' 00" (32.00m)
Depth 50' 00" (15.24m)
Capacity (mid-summer) 63,300 tons (64,317 mt)
at draft of 29'01" (8.86m)
Power (diesel) 16,000 b.h.p. (11,936 kW)
TT632
09-01-2009, 01:46 PM
Damn?!?! I really thought container ships ran on diesel. Well you are the authority on that. :judge:
Learn something everyday! :cool:
Gasoline, Diesel or fuel oil it all come from an oil well. It's all a limited resource that we will run out of in this century anyway. I'm just pointing out my displeasure with our tax paying dollars supporting foreign products and foreign jobs while we are losing 1/2 million jobs a month. Do the math, how much longer can we buy foreign cars if were not working??? All the while contributing to greenhouse gases by shipping un-needed foreign automobiles into this country!
Learn something everyday! :cool:
Gasoline, Diesel or fuel oil it all come from an oil well. It's all a limited resource that we will run out of in this century anyway. I'm just pointing out my displeasure with our tax paying dollars supporting foreign products and foreign jobs while we are losing 1/2 million jobs a month. Do the math, how much longer can we buy foreign cars if were not working??? All the while contributing to greenhouse gases by shipping un-needed foreign automobiles into this country!
black84z28
09-01-2009, 04:31 PM
Gasoline, Diesel or fuel oil it all come from an oil well. It's all a limited resource that we will run out of in this century anyway. I'm just pointing out my displeasure with our tax paying dollars supporting foreign products and foreign jobs while we are losing 1/2 million jobs a month. Do the math, how much longer can we buy foreign cars if were not working??? All the while contributing to greenhouse gases by shipping un-needed foreign automobiles into this country!
alot of our own domestic shipping in the great lakes is down because no one is buying shit. there are a good number of ore carriers laid up at shipyards because there is nothing to haul. it is very sad.
alot of our own domestic shipping in the great lakes is down because no one is buying shit. there are a good number of ore carriers laid up at shipyards because there is nothing to haul. it is very sad.
Spoolin
09-01-2009, 05:16 PM
alot of our own domestic shipping in the great lakes is down because no one is buying shit. there are a good number of ore carriers laid up at shipyards because there is nothing to haul. it is very sad.
Yup! :nod: Same thing with the saltwater fleet, I think 30% of the worldwide fleet is sitting at anchor down in the south pacific rusting away. Damn shame really. On a different note, most American shipping companies are still in service but it's solely due to subsidies!
Yup! :nod: Same thing with the saltwater fleet, I think 30% of the worldwide fleet is sitting at anchor down in the south pacific rusting away. Damn shame really. On a different note, most American shipping companies are still in service but it's solely due to subsidies!