Chevrolet Camaro 1967-2002 - 12.4 1/4 mile stock 2002 camaro

Does anyone have a link to this event. GMPP bought a 2002 camaro brand new and put 500 miles on it, hit the track, and ran a 12.4

??? with tires??

nope, from what i understand they bought the car drove the miles and rolled up to the line

Cough,cough....Bull SH*T!

tires yes it is doable on a very cold day with a negative DA and like a 6000 rpm launch.....bye bye 10 bolt

Yea 12.4 at the 1000 foot mark...

Maybe not the same one but this one went 12.96.

http://www.stangbangers.com/01_Bullitt_Article2.htm

I can see 12.4 with tires I hit 12.7 with a catback

On stock tires there's no way in hell

Ive seen a few 100% stock ones go 12.9's but don't believe that time! Seen some 12.1's with stall and gears

I believe tha article was 12.7 or 12.8 with Evan Smith driving the car. I do remember reading it. I do have a video of a friend of mine doing a 12.8 with a 100% bone stock 02 SS.

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l75/blazin674/35th%20anniversary%20camaro%20ss/?action=view&current=mevsdave.flv

That was a 12.3 cam only run for me.

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l75/blazin674/35th%20anniversary%20camaro%20ss/?action=view&current=mevsdave.flv

That was a 12.3 cam only run for me.

That was nice and random...

www.InOurDreams.com

100% never going to happen! :bs:

He mustve had it customly built for a 2 seater and a super weight stripper on top of that for that 2 happen

That was nice and random...

Video was not for the run of my car, but the one I ran "Brandon" (Blazen T/A) who ran a 12.8 @ 108.8 with a 100% stock 02 SS and his first time to the track.

See the post above mine.

:drive:

Ahh gotcha man, I didnt even watch it :emb: That was a helluva run

20 year old kid only his 2nd run in the car. First was a 13.0.

I've just heard about it...talked to a guy that read the article and apparently it was like 61 degrees out and they admitted it was like a miracle pass and in like the next 20 attempts the closest they got was like a 12.6 or 12.7 said the article gave all the details about the run. I forgot the name of the track though, but will try to find out again.

On another note, if theres a good number of the ss cars going 12.8s then why do people think the cobra is so much faster stock vs stock?

There is not a good number of ANY ls1s in the 12s.. PERIOD, no matter what the "internet" says.. It is BY FAR not the norm.. The norm is low-mid 13s with most being mid 13s..

Cobras are faster stock for stock, no if ands or buts..
With a competent driver they will run 3-4 10ths faster and trap 3-4mph faster..
From a roll it is not pretty what they do stock for stock. And usually even modded, they are tough cars to take down from a roll.

I still call BS on a 12.4, even with tires.. They just plain out don't have the power to get it there and are too heavy. Most people that take out jack/spare put a lid/catback on still cant hardly run mid-high 12s (im talking of the cars that run in negative DA.)

Anybody who claims their TRUE BONE STOCK (the way it came off the showroom floor) runs 12s needs to see what kind of DA they are running.. There is a handful out there but not many AT ALL!

My buddy ran a 12.6 stock on street tires in his 2002 SS M6...So anything is possible with the driver mod!! that's a full second faster than my stock run of 13.6!!

I've just heard about it...talked to a guy that read the article and apparently it was like 61 degrees out and they admitted it was like a miracle pass and in like the next 20 attempts the closest they got was like a 12.6 or 12.7 said the article gave all the details about the run. I forgot the name of the track though, but will try to find out again.

On another note, if theres a good number of the ss cars going 12.8s then why do people think the cobra is so much faster stock vs stock?

I'm still calling BS on a 12.4 with street tires, unless the DA was like -10000... it's not gonna happen. And like lemons said, it's very, VERY rare to have a bone stock LS1 in the 12's

My buddy ran a 12.6 stock on street tires in his 2002 SS M6...So anything is possible with the driver mod!! that's a full second faster than my stock run of 13.6!!

I'm gonna go ahead and call bs on that too :jest:

My buddy ran a 12.6 stock on street tires in his 2002 SS M6...So anything is possible with the driver mod!! that's a full second faster than my stock run of 13.6!!

You mean stock except for his catback,lid,and tires?

I don't see that happening, what was the DA?

Dang, I don't feel so good about mine anymore. I went a 12.82 with a converter.

Dang, I don't feel so good about mine anymore. I went a 12.82 with a converter.

Thats a good time! Don't compare you legit time to those in this thread lol..

Ford sucks

Mine with LT headers, MS3 cam, 4000 circle d, 3.73, slicks, 75 deg., 85 humidity went: 12.30, with a 150 shot went 10.70.

the fastest i went bone bone stock was 13.3 and the fastest i went n/a with the cam, converter, and bolt ons was 12.3, 150 shot went 10.8

Mine with LT headers, MS3 cam, 4000 circle d, 3.73, slicks, 75 deg., 85 humidity went: 12.30, with a 150 shot went 10.70.

the fastest i went bone bone stock was 13.3 and the fastest i went n/a with the cam, converter, and bolt ons was 12.3, 150 shot went 10.8


Wow you two are twins

Wow you two are twins

my setup was cheap as shit,

mac mids/ory/hooker cb with a cutout
hotcam/whisper lid
TCI converter (spent 175 total--brand new)
315 Hoosier DR's
TNT Power Ring, got for free

that other guy has some nice parts on his ride haha

Back in 2001 i bought a z28m6 about 1000miles on car went to baytown went 12.91.so next weekend i said hell i'll Put my buddy's et streets on car went 13.1 i slowed it down.

Its all bs. Everyone says their fbody runs these incredible times. Even guys with automatics can't do a 12.8 or a 12.9. No one runs 12.9 on a actual bonestock camaro. Cause these cars just aren't as fast as people claim I have fullboltons and I only do 12.9. And everyone else I race with that has identical mods does the same damn times.

Its all bs. Everyone says their fbody runs these incredible times. Even guys with automatics can't do a 12.8 or a 12.9. No one runs 12.9 on a actual bonestock camaro. Cause these cars just aren't as fast as people claim I have fullboltons and I only do 12.9. And everyone else I race with that has identical mods does the same damn times.

Stock for stock with a great driver, a six speed can/will be faster than an auto. And there have been a handfull of them run 12.9's. What kind of DA are you running in?

I don't see 12.9 being out of the question for a stock car. As already stated, weather conditions, track prep, and driver skill have alot to do with ets. Though mine didn't run 12s stock, I think it was close enough to say it could be possible with a better driver and better conditions. My times were done with 125k miles on the odo. Who knows what a fresh motor would run.

I did 12.7, (6spd) with nothing more than a K/N drop in, on BFG street tires, not the DRs. Everything else was bone stock, and the car had 64K on it.

That was at Famoso, Ca. Track wasnt too sticky either.

I couldnt get under that, to save my life, and thats when I started spendin money!!

But yes, to support some of what is posted, you can get a bone stock car, to run into the HIGH 12's, it all comes down to track, weather, and the driver. Now 12.4s, really? You check your blinker fluid too huh? Come on, get real :(. That car would have to make 375hp at the tires @ 3650lbs... do the math, its not gunna happen.. Dream on...

Also 03-04 Cobras are not bad cars, but dont put that pussy on a pedestal neither, cuz while they have more from a "roll" damn rice racing.. They are like everyother muscle car built from the 60's till now, if you cant hook it, you aint going to do much. I have seen pullied Slow-bras running 13's....

My 2 cents...

Ive seen a hand full of STOCK cars running 12.9s

I know this isnt a cobra vs. SS thread but also remember cobras are about double ( say 10 grand for a nice ss, and 20 grand for a nice cobra) in price, hell i got my 98 6spd Z for 3800 bucks, i could build the whole car for what it costs just to purchase a cobra...

Dont get me wrong, i love cobras and they are badass but thats just my .2 cents

Its all bs. Everyone says their fbody runs these incredible times. Even guys with automatics can't do a 12.8 or a 12.9. No one runs 12.9 on a actual bonestock camaro. Cause these cars just aren't as fast as people claim I have fullboltons and I only do 12.9. And everyone else I race with that has identical mods does the same damn times.

It's not fair to base what these cars are capable of solely on your lack of driver skill. If you've got a full bolt-on LS1 and your running 12.90's you just plain out suck at driving, period. Unless your running at a track in high DA. It took me drag radials, no muffler and 4.11's to do that.

Guys, 12's have already been done YEARS ago! Evan Smith (editor at MM&FF) did it back in the late '90's in a '98 Z28, then again in an SS in 2001. GM High Tech also acheived this feat. This topic is like beating on a dead horse.

i highly doubt you can run that bone stock..people that have cam only cars run that time....would only believe this if i were there and looked at the car..

I went -10.90's with my 93, bone stock, except 3.73's headers and ory....

I see everyone talking about DA, how much does it actually effect your time?

I see everyone talking about DA, how much does it actually effect your time?

Big time! I hate reading people's sigs and comparing numbers to my car because I'm up here in Utah where most stock LS1 cars run low 14's. It took drag radials, a catback and 3000 stall converter to get my car to run 13.99. 2 days later I totalled it on the way to a bracket race... fuckin' huge truck tires in the middle of the road! Anyways, DA has a huge effect. Most local guys out here say they pick up close to 5 tenths when running out in California. I can believe it.

I'm here in S. Florida near sea level. Stock w/ 500 miles I ran 13.4's. But with just cut-out, free mods and lid went 12.9's. Few more bolt-ons ran 12.4's.

[QUOTE=BLWNV10;12422265]It's not fair to base what these cars are capable of solely on your lack of driver skill. If you've got a full bolt-on LS1 and your running 12.90's you just plain out suck at driving, period. Unless your running at a track in high DA. It took me drag radials, no muffler and 4.11's to do that.

Guys, 12's have already been done YEARS ago! Evan Smith (editor at MM&FF) did it back in the late '90's in a '98 Z28, then again in an SS in 2001. GM High Tech also acheived this feat. This topic is like beating on a dead horse.[/QUOT

im not basing it on only my car. bonestock camaros with shitty street tires dont run 12.8 im sorry but they dont. if u had 50 degree weather low altitude and and DR's then sure 12s are possible(high 12s) on a "bonestock" ss. and as far as me bein a sucky driver i do pretty good for having all weather tires at the track i run at. before i ever ran my car at the track i was expecting to at least do a 13 flat based on all the bs people talk about on this site. boy was i dissapointed to run a 13.6 on a "bonestock" ss. but i guess its all about location.

As many have allready said, so many variables to consider. Im bone stock with Nitto 555 extreme tires and i have over 100k miles on my car. I ran 13.7 after driving for over an hour to the track on a very hot and humid day.

yes there are many variables, i just dont think our cars can get into the 12's being bonstock, nomatter how good a driver u are unless its the perfect location and wheather. the driver mod is important, but a car is only as fast as it is. i think ive even heard people say they run 12.2 in shit with a stock car, so whenever anyone says they ran a 12.XX 1/4 mile it seems fishy cause people do lie about thier unrealistic times.

yes there are many variables, i just dont think our cars can get into the 12's being bonstock, nomatter how good a driver u are unless its the perfect location and wheather. the driver mod is important, but a car is only as fast as it is. i think ive even heard people say they run 12.2 in shit with a stock car, so whenever anyone says they ran a 12.XX 1/4 mile it seems fishy cause people do lie about thier unrealistic times.

The thing is people have different ideas of what "Bone Stock" is. If you wanna get technical i have an axle back exhaust and a shift kit. Those people who say they get 12's bone stock in shit weather could have exhaust, intake, thermostat, shift kit, and Slicks/Skinnies and consider shit weather cold and windy.

I went -10.90's with my 93, bone stock, except 3.73's headers and ory....

We're not looking for 1/8 mile times here...haha.

The thing is people have different ideas of what "Bone Stock" is. If you wanna get technical i have an axle back exhaust and a shift kit. Those people who say they get 12's bone stock in shit weather could have exhaust, intake, thermostat, shift kit, and Slicks/Skinnies and consider shit weather cold and windy.

another thing is, even people with auto's dont run 12's. and it takes absolutly no skill to run an automatic down the track, cause all you u have to do is press the damn gas pedal and go.

another thing is, even people with auto's dont run 12's. and it takes absolutly no skill to run an automatic down the track, cause all you u have to do is press the damn gas pedal and go.


Fail.

That might be marginally true for a truly stock car (although launch technique still isn't as easy as you seem to think). But, I guarantee that you couldn't just "press the gas pedal" on my car and expect magic to happen (before it burned, anyway).

Fail.

That might be marginally true for a truly stock car (although launch technique still isn't as easy as you seem to think). But, I guarantee that you couldn't just "press the gas pedal" on my car and expect magic to happen (before it burned, anyway).

no offense intended. all im saying is auto's are much better for drag racing. thats why so many people have auto's for drag cars.

no offense intended. all im saying is auto's are much better for drag racing. thats why so many people have auto's for drag cars.

That's true, they are obviously more consistent in the hands of the 98% of drivers...but still, don't think it's easy; especially in the much quicker than 12 sec. cars.

That's true, they are obviously more consistent in the hands of the 98% of drivers...but still, don't think it's easy; especially in the much quicker than 12 sec. cars.

i dont think its that easy necasarily, but much easier than a M6. with a manual, u have to worry about bogging or shitty starts, then once u get off the line u can mis shifts or shift to early(i realize its pretty easy to shift) its the launch mostly though. but an a4 always shifts faster than a human in most cases

This sounds like a guy from another site who was claiming his bone stock 2ss Camaro was running mid/high 11's.....

so I asked him what his 60' was and he said 5.2.......

so then I laughed and asked him what his TS was and he was lost again.
then to really get his mind boggled, I asked what the DA was....and to this he just replied

"I know what I ran I got the slip in the dash"

Anyone think this idiot ran the 1/8th and is so stupid with drag racing he thought it was 1/4 ??????

This sounds like a guy from another site who was claiming his bone stock 2ss Camaro was running mid/high 11's.....

so I asked him what his 60' was and he said 5.2.......

so then I laughed and asked him what his TS was and he was lost again.
then to really get his mind boggled, I asked what the DA was....and to this he just replied

"I know what I ran I got the slip in the dash"

Anyone think this idiot ran the 1/8th and is so stupid with drag racing he thought it was 1/4 ??????

wow what an idiot lol. ive had people thinking my car is front wheel drive too. i saw this video of this guy on youtube and he had a mustang gt, but he had a GTR badge on it. so these guys that taped him were asking him questions about his car. and this dude basically admitted that:turd: his car is a rare mustang gtr and when asked if his car had a rotary motor he was all like oh its a rotary lol

no offense intended. all im saying is auto's are much better for drag racing. thats why so many people have auto's for drag cars.
Take offense to this,
you suck at driving or your car is a turd, maybe both.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You keep going on and on based on your personal experience but everyone else is saying otherwise.

Take offense to this,
you suck at driving or your car is a turd, maybe both.

Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You keep going on and on based on your personal experience but everyone else is saying otherwise.

anything you say turd:flipbird:

no it doesent happen, and its not cause i cant do it jackass. 12.8 is not possible in a camaro that is bonestock. most people would be lucky to reach low 13's in a bonestock camaro. your probly one of those guys that can get into the 11's with a bonestock camaro huh

I like the post you edited better but I saw what you posted first.

I like the post you edited better but I saw what you posted first.

well i decided i dident wana get in any further debate about times. so erased it and gave u the bird instead.:turd:

another thing is, even people with auto's dont run 12's. and it takes absolutly no skill to run an automatic down the track, cause all you u have to do is press the damn gas pedal and go.

Mine ran 12.98@108 with a lid and catback. It's an auto...

errrr.....whats DA?

Keep the arguments out of it, or I will lock this up. :lock:

This has been beat to death.

THERE HAVE BEEN MANY STOCK 4TH GEN F-BODIES IN THE HIGH 12'S. Low 12's or even 12.5 no one believes or has ever heard of.

Drivins is a HUGE factor in a 6 speed.

My buddy ran a 12.6 stock on street tires in his 2002 SS M6...So anything is possible with the driver mod!! that's a full second faster than my stock run of 13.6!!

Dont worry Art, I dont even mention what my car ran anymore just for the sake of not having a argument about it. I can't say it was stock though since it had bmr relocation brackets and a k&n. :(

another thing is, even people with auto's dont run 12's. and it takes absolutly no skill to run an automatic down the track, cause all you u have to do is press the damn gas pedal and go.

Whats up man? didnt you go on the cruise with us in Canby? We raced on the back roads heading to my parents house! We gotta get another race when you dont have 2 guys in your car! :) And, getting a auto down the track isnt as easy as many would think. It may not be as HARD as a M6 but, you cant just hammer it off the line and go.

When I ran that 13.0(which was never duplicated) I had to really baby it off the line and got lucky I think. So, you coming to woodburn this summer?

Whats up man? didnt you go on the cruise with us in Canby? We raced on the back roads heading to my parents house! We gotta get another race when you dont have 2 guys in your car! :) And, getting a auto down the track isnt as easy as many would think. It may not be as HARD as a M6 but, you cant just hammer it off the line and go.

When I ran that 13.0(which was never duplicated) I had to really baby it off the line and got lucky I think. So, you coming to woodburn this summer?

hey man what u been up to? i heard you were selling your car? ya that race could have been better for sure, it was still fun though. ya its probly harder to get an auto down the track than i said before, i still dont have my launches down that well myself. but hey there is all next summer to practice! i would like to come to woodburn, i hear that track is so much better than pir, that u can easily knock off a couple of tenths! but its really far for me to go.

hey man what u been up to? i heard you were selling your car? ya that race could have been better for sure, it was still fun though. ya its probly harder to get an auto down the track than i said before, i still dont have my launches down that well myself. but hey there is all next summer to practice! i would like to come to woodburn, i hear that track is so much better than pir, that u can easily knock off a couple of tenths! but its really far for me to go.

Yeah Woodburn is a good track. I just know I could of gotten 12's but my tires are def. holding me back! Theres always next year! And, yeah im thinking about selling it. Not sure yet.... May get a corvette or a 6spd SS dont know too many choices! But, you could come down and stay in a Hotel that I get 30% off cause of where I work! :) So, its like 50 bucks a night regular 90.00 a night or something like that...

Yeah Woodburn is a good track. I just know I could of gotten 12's but my tires are def. holding me back! Theres always next year! And, yeah im thinking about selling it. Not sure yet.... May get a corvette or a 6spd SS dont know too many choices! But, you could come down and stay in a Hotel that I get 30% off cause of where I work! :) So, its like 50 bucks a night regular 90.00 a night or something like that...

ya dude tires really are the big thing with racing. i run all weather tires and they dont hook for shit, you either have to baby it off the line or burn em off the line lol. that would be sick if you got a 6spd ss, i love mine. that would probly be be cool if i got a hotel for cheap that would make it so much more worth it to go down that way

ya dude tires really are the big thing with racing. i run all weather tires and they dont hook for shit, you either have to baby it off the line or burn em off the line lol. that would be sick if you got a 6spd ss, i love mine. that would probly be be cool if i got a hotel for cheap that would make it so much more worth it to go down that way

Yeah, its a damn nice hotel too. My in laws stay there when they come to town. Hell, I live right down the road and I even though of staying there for 50 bucks! hahahahaha

Yeah, its a damn nice hotel too. My in laws stay there when they come to town. Hell, I live right down the road and I even though of staying there for 50 bucks! hahahahaha

well i think im gonna try it out next summer probly, i have alot to do to my car till then though.