11 Second Club - how deep in the 11s

ran the 1/8th in my heads/cam/nitrous car. It has 4.10s spraying 125 thru a 6spd. Couldn't get the MT drag radials to hook up but still managed a 7.9 at 96 mph on a crap 2.0 60'. What might this translate to in the 1/4 if I get some traction out of the hole? what are some good launching tricks, mods, etc?..or should I just start lightening up the front end? The track may have been poorly prepped as well.

What size tires are you using? That's a nice trap speed for that time, must have been spinnin your ass off.

didn't think to check as I bought them off of a friend...They're 16 in MTs. Its not a tall or wide tire thats about all I can tell you till I check the size of them in my friend's basement where I store them. The window switch comes on @ 3200. I launched about 3500 on 14 psi and spun feathering it thru 1st and 2nd and powershifting 3rd.

For that MPH doing what you say you're doing you would probably pick up a lot on the big end. If you can hook it early you should be in the 10s.

7.9@96 sounds more like 11's than 10's

I would guess mid to low 11's unless you change something to hook better. I run 7.8's and 7.9's but only at 89 mph so you'd definately pull harder on the top end. That translated to a 12.1 at 113 for me....

I would get some taller/wider tires and drag shocks on the front, that'll help a ton on the launch. I trap almost the same in the 1/8 but at a 7.3 so if you can spray out of the hole and hook I could see bottom 11's to high 10's

I would guess mid to low 11's unless you change something to hook better. I run 7.8's and 7.9's but only at 89 mph so you'd definately pull harder on the top end. That translated to a 12.1 at 113 for me....

We are about identical times/MPH.

Are you just full bolt-ons? What do you have for suspension?

7.9@96 sounds more like 11's than 10's

Yeah it does, but if he can hook harder and spray earlier without peddling then MPH would go up and ET would go down. He should easily have the power to run 10s.

I would get some taller/wider tires and drag shocks on the front, that'll help a ton

that along with some weight reduction and skinnies up front should make it plant better

Yeah it does, but if he can hook harder and spray earlier without peddling then MPH would go up and ET would go down. He should easily have the power to run 10s.


thats good because I was hoping for mid 11s atleast. Are you going to civil wars?...I thought about it, but I gotta find out how much entry fee is. This saturday Im going to Maxton (old airport) for some top speed runs. Think I should spray thru fourth or will it level out in 5th off the spray and end up with the same mph?

that along with some weight reduction and skinnies up front should make it plant better



thats good because I was hoping for mid 11s atleast. Are you going to civil wars?...I thought about it, but I gotta find out how much entry fee is. This saturday Im going to Maxton (old airport) for some top speed runs. Think I should spray thru fourth or will it level out in 5th off the spray and end up with the same mph?

http://www.rockinghamdragway.com/flyers/2009/fallcw/index.htm

I went in the spring against better judgement and I won't go again. Too crowded to run and I don't care about Mustangs. If I want to race an event it might be different but I don't.

It wont level out in 5th, you can pull 5th out on motor. You'll just get to 5th a lot faster.

I ran 7.7 @ 93 mph in the 1/8th, then when i got my 1/4 mile slip i ran an 11.8 @ 119

You need traction before the 1/8th to makes use of your car. You might need a slick to transfer that power

You need traction before the 1/8th to makes use of your car. You might need a slick to transfer that power

haven't even thought about slicks...thats a good idea though because drag radials give just enough and slicks might give me just enough bite to launch at a higher rpm and get out of the hole. I'll try that along with taking some weight out(still has spare tire and jack) and maybe delay the nitrous a couple tenths

I miss the 98 Z28. Put some Slicks on it.

you gave up a heck of a car. I couldn't be happier with it especially on nitrous:D

I ran 7.7 @ 93 mph in the 1/8th, then when i got my 1/4 mile slip i ran an 11.8 @ 119

You need traction before the 1/8th to makes use of your car. You might need a slick to transfer that power

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I ran a 7.4 @ 93 in the 1/8 and that was a mid 11 pass at 119 in the 1/4. No point in speculating what it could be, go run it and find out.

I ran a 11.9 in the 1/4 with a 7.6 In the 1/8th with a 1.7 60'

I'd say you are low 12s/high 11's at best.

I ran a 11.9 in the 1/4 with a 7.6 In the 1/8th with a 1.7 60'

I'd say you are low 12s/high 11's at best.

No... gotta look at the trap speed, he would be trapping close to 120 if not higher in the 1/4

No... gotta look at the trap speed, he would be trapping close to 120 if not higher in the 1/4

no. trap speed means hardly anything. trap speeds can easily be manipulated by changing gears/different size tires/spinning off the line/bogging off the line.

In this case, he is spinning off the line. When you spin off the line, you gain MPH. That's time slip reading 101.

Now if you want to do a little bench racing... I trapped 93 mph in the time slip I posted. That's without spinning/bogging. So he would be doing 3 mph faster than me @ the 1/8th mile, but would be behind 3/10th's of a second. You figured if he wasn't spinning he'd be trapping like 94 maybe 95 ish (i'm assuming he spun a good bit, because of the 60' time). So he would be 1-2 mph faster than me but would have to make up 3/10th's of a second on the top end. That's a lot of room to close with not a lot of mph to do it with.

and again to prove my point that trap speed means nothing. I've seen cars that trap 122 mph and only run a mid 12 second pass. That's without spinning/bogging.

What might this translate to in the 1/4 if I get some traction out of the hole?

That's what I was reffering to. And in his case if he hooked up he's only going to gain mph because he was spinning through 1'st and 2'nd. And if you've seen someone run a mid 12 over 120 without spinning or bogging that's just a terrible driver.

That's what I was reffering to. And in his case if he hooked up he's only going to gain mph because he was spinning through 1'st and 2'nd. And if you've seen someone run a mid 12 over 120 without spinning or bogging that's just a terrible driver.

spinning off the line gives you higher than normal mph (to an extent) with higher ET

bogging off the line gives you lower than normal mph (to an extent) with higher ET

If he gets the car to hook, he will lose MPH but will get a faster ET. It's just like putting a set of gears in. The MPH goes down, but the ET gets faster.

and no wasn't really a terrible driver... just a terrible setup.

spinning off the line gives you higher than normal mph (to an extent) with higher ET

bogging off the line gives you lower than normal mph (to an extent) with higher ET

If he gets the car to hook, he will lose MPH but will get a faster ET. It's just like putting a set of gears in. The MPH goes down, but the ET gets faster.

and no wasn't really a terrible driver... just a terrible setup.

I know what you're saying and you're right to an extent. But when you spin through all of 1st and 2nd gear you're not going to loose mph by hooking up, not when you're spinning that much. And I don't quite agree with the gear swap thing either. I gained mph and got quicker when I put in a 9" w/4.11's and I've seen a bunch of other people gain mph with a gear swap as well, that may not be the norm but I dont think it's a good rule to go by one way or the other.

you both make valid points...but before this gets into a pissing match, let me run it in the 1/4 and see what actually happens

no. trap speed means hardly anything. trap speeds can easily be manipulated by changing gears/different size tires/spinning off the line/bogging off the line.

In this case, he is spinning off the line. When you spin off the line, you gain MPH. That's time slip reading 101.

Now if you want to do a little bench racing... I trapped 93 mph in the time slip I posted. That's without spinning/bogging. So he would be doing 3 mph faster than me @ the 1/8th mile, but would be behind 3/10th's of a second. You figured if he wasn't spinning he'd be trapping like 94 maybe 95 ish (i'm assuming he spun a good bit, because of the 60' time). So he would be 1-2 mph faster than me but would have to make up 3/10th's of a second on the top end. That's a lot of room to close with not a lot of mph to do it with.

and again to prove my point that trap speed means nothing. I've seen cars that trap 122 mph and only run a mid 12 second pass. That's without spinning/bogging.

So if I wait for the light to turn green the just start power braking for like 10 minutes I can run 200MPH? You took internet time slip reading 101, nor real time slip reading.

Spinning a little isn't going to gain you much MPH, sometimes not any. Spinning a lot will likely slow the MPH down and in this guys case it kept him from using the nitrous. So assuming that he runs 96 MPH in the 1/8 spinning bad, he'll likely be even faster should he hook and be able to spray as well.

Nitrous cars, for the most mart are hard to judge 1/8 to 1/4 by ET and MPH, because you don't know when they started spraying, if they let off to shift, etc.. For the most part though, someone who doesn't spray right out of the hole or has to let off due to spinning is going to gain a lot more MPH by the time they get to the 1/4 than someone running the same MPH n/a.

The pass that the OP made would likely be around a 12, but he has the potential for 10s with some traction.

I know what you're saying and you're right to an extent. But when you spin through all of 1st and 2nd gear you're not going to loose mph by hooking up, not when you're spinning that much. And I don't quite agree with the gear swap thing either. I gained mph and got quicker when I put in a 9" w/4.11's and I've seen a bunch of other people gain mph with a gear swap as well, that may not be the norm but I dont think it's a good rule to go by one way or the other.

I find it hard to believe he was spinning "all the way through first and second" and cut a 2.0 60' time. Lighting the tires up that bad would of been atleast a 2.2 or 2.3.

As far as the gear change thing goes... Think of it this way. When you change your gears, you aren't putting down any more power (for the most part), you are just accelerating quicker. If that makes sense. I can't really think of a better way to word what I'm trying to say, and I'm sure some dimwit will turn it around on me to act like he's got a point to prove. I will see if I can find some old slips of before and after one of my gear changes... But keep in mind, I said GEAR CHANGE. not rear end change. That's kind of like saying "oh I picked up 1.5 seconds on my 1/4 mile time by changing injectors... but while I was changing the injectors, I put in a supercharger(I'm exaggerating of course, but you get the idea)" A new rear end raises a lot of variables (different suspension geometry, new drivetrain loss, weight of car, probably launching harder/higher, etc.)


speak of the devil.. here's that "dimwit" now
So if I wait for the light to turn green the just start power braking for like 10 minutes I can run 200MPH? You took internet time slip reading 101, nor real time slip reading.


and you apparently never finished 2nd grade reading class, because I said "TO AN EXTENT" But yes... you powerbrake for 20 mins and you will trap 400 mph. Hell, if you powerbrake for a lil over an hour, you will go faster than the speed of light!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spinning a little isn't going to gain you much MPH, sometimes not any. Spinning a lot will likely slow the MPH down and in this guys case it kept him from using the nitrous. So assuming that he runs 96 MPH in the 1/8 spinning bad, he'll likely be even faster should he hook and be able to spray as well.


why on god's green earth would spinning disarm his nitrous. you have to send me a link to this new fangled "traction controlled progressive nitrous controller" you speak of. because I need to get me one of them and ditch my FJO

Nitrous cars, for the most mart are hard to judge 1/8 to 1/4 by ET and MPH, because you don't know when they started spraying, if they let off to shift, etc.. For the most part though, someone who doesn't spray right out of the hole or has to let off due to spinning is going to gain a lot more MPH by the time they get to the 1/4 than someone running the same MPH n/a.


the only thing this guy said that made sense

you both make valid points...but before this gets into a pissing match, let me run it in the 1/4 and see what actually happens

we (myself and nnssane02) are both correct and both wrong imo. Most of what he said I do agree with, but it's like trying to figure out what weighs more, an apple or an orange. There's about 8 million different ways to try to guesstimate the time, but only one way to find out.

There's about 8 million different ways to try to guesstimate the time, but only one way to find out.

... lets just end it with this and wait for the op to post his results.

why on god's green earth would spinning disarm his nitrous. you have to send me a link to this new fangled "traction controlled progressive nitrous controller" you speak of. because I need to get me one of them and ditch my FJO


He said he was "feathering it", I'm sure he's not spraying while he was off the throttle. He could have feathered it through first and got a 2.0 60' and spun again in 2nd and that wouldn't effect the 60' time at all.

My car has more MPH when I dead hook. If I spin a little or a lot my MPH is never higher.

He said he was "feathering it", I'm sure he's not spraying while he was off the throttle. He could have feathered it through first and got a 2.0 60' and spun again in 2nd and that wouldn't effect the 60' time at all.


correct...my nitrous is setup for WOT. So even though I sprayed out of the whole to a 2.0 60' on drag radials I had to feather the gas until I got traction(on motor), then back on spray for the rest of the pass. So theoretically the car should have more mph on a dead hook run

went to a different local 1/8th mile track last night and ran on motor to try and find traction. It hooked a lil better but still spun about 10 feet while digging. The motor was warm and had 1/2 tank of 93 so it still has some on the table. I plan on buying some ET drags next year but I'm just going to finish these ET streets off for now. It ran a 7.7x @ 93mph on a 1.7x 60'. That should definately put me in the 11s but I'm not going to change it until I run the 1/4 in November.

So you dropped .2 by turning OFF the juice? Don't see that too often :jest:

So 7.7 @ 93 on motor? So who was it that doesn't think that this car can go 10s hooking on the gas?

yes I had to run on motor because my dumba*s forgot to check the bottle pressure before I left. I assumed I had 2-3 more passes but it was empty. That run was on 16 psi. in the tires, so maybe if I lower it and Charlotte's 1/4 is prepped good (doubt it), 10.9x on gas might not be out of the question.

So you dropped .2 by turning OFF the juice? Don't see that too often

this was my 2nd time running the car and @ a different track. I couldn't get traction @ all at the other track especially on juice, so my plan was to find traction on motor 1st anyway...I found enough for a 1.7 and that made all the difference. Had 3 people tell me I pulled the front tires...which I find hard to believe since I don't have skinnys on yet and it didn't dead hook

I wasn't far off...I ran an 11.2 @ 125 on a crappy pass...check out the timeslip on the far right. It definately has atleast a 10.9 with better tires.

http://s556.photobucket.com/albums/ss4/SpeedshifterNC/?action=view&current=camarosthedragstrip.jpg

Oh yeah. You'll be in the 10s soon.

Very nice man, congrats. That looks similar to my pass the last time I sprayed it, but my 1/8 was quicker (7.0 I think) and the pressure dropped like a rock on the big end so it went 11.1 @ 122. After seeing that slip I have no doubt that car will see 10's once you get it out of the hole a little quicker :thumb:

thnx guys...yea the track prep wasn't optimal so I left @ a lower rpm and still spun and had some issues. The bottle pressure wasn't optimal either, so it has quite a bit left. I'd def. like to see some 7.0s...bet you're happy with that