Negative Trader Feedback - LSXHawk Filed Dispute On Me 3 Months Later

sale thread http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/1140278-gtp-stage-3-heads-camshaft-more.html

Sold LSXHawk my GTP Stage 3 LS6 heads at the end of June. I didn't put these heads on my car they were there when I got it. Anyway I pulled them to go with a lower compression for FI. My knowledge of them was that GTP was an excellent company for porting and they were LS6 heads with 2.08/1.6 valves and dual valve springs. I had them flowed as well and presented that with the sell.

Sold them for like $800 shipped sweet deal if you ask me GTP heads were expensive. Anyway got a dispute from LSXHawk through paypal today with no prior attempt to contact. After he filed the dispute this is the PM I got along with my response.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LSXHawk
I got a big problem with these heads. The area where they were welded is giving me problems with muy valves springs. Also the valves are longer then stock. If I know that u did what u did to get the valves springs to work then I would have never bought the junk heads. I would like a full refund being i didnt get what I was suppose to get.

Dang man I'm sorry your having problems. Those heads were holding big #'s on my car. I didn't buy the heads and I didn't do any of the head work all I did is remove them. I bought the car I was told it had GTP Stage 3 LS6 heads which were $3000 heads back when GTP was still in business. I swapped them off the motor to lower my compression had them cc'd and flowed and passed all that info along to you. I answered every question you had and quite frankly you got a sweet deal.

Again I'm really sorry but the fact that the valves are longer than stock I had no way of knowing that. There's lots of variables in cylinder head design and since I didn't do the head work I didn't have those details and never claimed too.

Sorry man I'm sure you can turn around and sell them for at least what you paid me I've seen similar GTP heads go for 1K plus.

These are the photo's I provided with the sale.

http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/P1010300.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/P1010301.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/P1010302.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/P1010303.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/P1010304.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/WyattRankin-GTP243-Graph.jpg
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt305/laughatrice/WyattRankin-GTP243.jpg


I don't like that he never tried to contact me first that he went strait for my wallet. I do not feel obligated to refund him his money given the circumstances I described my item to the best of my knowledge provided accurate answers or found the correct answer I was asked during the transaction. I also had the heads professionally flowed and cc'd. I have also followed up with this guys technical questions in the last few months regarding these heads after the sale.

not trying to jack the thread but them springs look badass!!!!!!!!

From my experience, as long as the transaction didn't go through ebay, the case will be automatically closed without investigation. They only investigate claims to do with paypal. I was on a bad end of a deal here on 'Tech and tried filing a claim but it was closed more or less right away because it was a non-ebay transaction...

This being said, it seems liek your right in this situation and don't owe him anything.. so I just wouldn't worry about it... he can't do anything to you

Ok how am I tryin to defraud u? U assure me that these heads were in great shape. I knew of some welding being done to the heads but i didnt know u did some welding on one head under the valve spring. U did all kinds of grinding to the shimes just to get the valve springs to fit. Since i need to use a different spring Im going to need to have the heads machinced to get my valve springs to fit right. Also inside the ports where the heads were welded are showing a few cracks. I can and I will be posting up pics of the hack welding job u did and I will post the pics up of how u grinded and shimed the vALVE SPRINGS TO GET THEM TO WORK. U knew the heads were junk thats why u sold a set of 3500 heads for 800.00. I should have know I could get a good set of heads for that cheap. As for why it took me so long to get back to u its only because I finally am getting around to get my car done. I also have plenty of people on this board who know me and have bought from me that will back me up.

Ok how am I tryin to defraud u? U assure me that these heads were in great shape. I knew of some welding being done to the heads but i didnt know u did some welding on one head under the valve spring. U did all kinds of grinding to the shimes just to get the valve springs to fit. Since i need to use a different spring Im going to need to have the heads machinced to get my valve springs to fit right. Also inside the ports where the heads were welded are showing a few cracks. I can and I will be posting up pics of the hack welding job u did and I will post the pics up of how u grinded and shimed the vALVE SPRINGS TO GET THEM TO WORK. U knew the heads were junk thats why u sold a set of 3500 heads for 800.00. I should have know I could get a good set of heads for that cheap. As for why it took me so long to get back to u its only because I finally am getting around to get my car done. I also have plenty of people on this board who know me and have bought from me that will back me up.

YOU KEEEP SAYING I DID THIS I DID THAT.... I didn't do shit to those heads anything done was by previous owners to my car and I never disassembled the heads that's why you got them assembled. You knew this when you bought them I stated that I didn't do the head work nor did I buy these heads. All I did was pull them off my car because they are 59.3cc chambers and I needed 9.5:1 compression. I can give you two previous owners of the car who will verify those heads were on the car when they sold it. The only welding I had seen was in the intake runner where either the porter had grinded too far accidently or intentionally and welded it back. Those are visible in the pictures and I'm pretty sure it was in my ad too. So anything under the valve springs I didn't notice and neither did the guy who did the flow and cc measurements. You can't really fault me for that the pictures speak for themselves nothing like that is visible with the springs on and I never had any reason to remove the springs.

These heads were on a 418 CI Solid roller .65 lift cam making over 500rwhp there not junk heads and any work that a previous owner may have done to the springs must have been legit if was holding up. Like I said how the hell would I know I never took the head apart.

I don't consider these heads junk at all but the fact is it's been 3 months and now that you can't make them fit your application you want your money back. Worst of all you've tore them all apart done god knows what else and you want me to give you a refund. For all I know your the one who jacked up the valve springs and shims seriously it's not like you just got them last week you've had plenty of time to screw around with them. Good look finding a sponsor on this site who would give you a refund after 3 months and you tearing there product apart and then one day you say the valve stems are too long I want my money back. :mad:

We all have people that we know that will back us up so don't play that card dude.

This transaction is over I may have worked something out a little sooner and provided you hadn't stated that you've tore the heads apart trying to make you stuff fit or whatever. Don't expect me to honor a 90 day refund you've had your time to come with me about problems and frankly I don't want the heads after you've torn them apart. You also didn't help yourself for going right for the dispute button you should have sent me a pm first.

I didnt know u had welded the heads under the valves springs. If u would have told me that then I wiould have never bought the heads. To get my style of spring to fit I would have to have them machine to get them to work.

Again I didn't know of any welding under the springs otherwise I would have pointed it out like I did every other flaw these products have and anything else I sell. The fact that the spring that you want to run doesn't fit on those heads does not get you a refund.

I have to put it this way this is a high performance car part one size doesn't fit all. I didn't lie or mislead you in anyway in selling this product I put all my cards on the table for everyone who inquired about these heads. I'm not going to allow you to trial fit possibly screw stuff up and then months later when you can't use them get your money back. It seems obvious to me the heads would come back to me in worse shape than I sent them in since you've been dicking around. I priced them the way I did for two reasons I didn't have every details about the heads but I paid a machine shop to flow and cc them so I could at least have some info to provide to buyers. Second I had a garage full of stuff that need to go.

Those are $550 valve springs plus the Ferrera Stainless Steel valves that's more than you paid for the whole ported castings. Sell those valves and springs and you'll be in good shape. I listed that these springs and valves were used with a solid roller cam and that I had no idea what that meant for using them otherwise. I know me and you went back and forth on this and I made it clear that I FLAT OUT DIDN'T KNOW if they were compatible with hydraulic roller then you still bought the heads.

Now I did do some research for you to help you out I talked to the guy I sold my cam to and he needs your springs valves retainers all of it. He has a set of stock length valves he will swap you. If you run patriot dual springs they locate off the guide and you shouldn't have any problem. I am pm'ing you his info so you talk to him.

I hope you guys can swap parts work out a deal whatever.

Yeah, 3 months? Too long to complain...

Ok how am I tryin to defraud u? U assure me that these heads were in great shape. I knew of some welding being done to the heads but i didnt know u did some welding on one head under the valve spring. U did all kinds of grinding to the shimes just to get the valve springs to fit. Since i need to use a different spring Im going to need to have the heads machinced to get my valve springs to fit right. Also inside the ports where the heads were welded are showing a few cracks. I can and I will be posting up pics of the hack welding job u did and I will post the pics up of how u grinded and shimed the vALVE SPRINGS TO GET THEM TO WORK. U knew the heads were junk thats why u sold a set of 3500 heads for 800.00. I should have know I could get a good set of heads for that cheap. As for why it took me so long to get back to u its only because I finally am getting around to get my car done. I also have plenty of people on this board who know me and have bought from me that will back me up.

Listen hear dick, before you start blaming laughatrice for anything I will tell you who did work on those heads since I am the one who took them off and had to have work done on them. When I bought the car it smoked like a deisel, so I pulled the heads off and sent them directly to Craig at GTP. He did a dye check on them and found a few cracks and pin hole in both heads. Now he blamed it on over porting done by Thunder Racing. He had those heads for like 3 months and did most of the work himself. So if you want to call Craig who is the owner of Gallant Technical Performance 713-266-1320 go right ahead, I bet he remembers these heads and HE did the work on them not laughatrice!! I installed them back on and the car was 100% fixed and it ran like a fucking raped ape!!!!

Yeah, 3 months? Too long to complain...

BigJim is everywhere!

Don't worry about this dispute man, paypal sucks enough as it is at getting shit from sellers so for once that is in your favor. Either way you did nothing wrong and they will know that. Call them directly and talk to a real person and they will close the dispute on the spot.

I hate to get involved in this thread, but I recognize those heads because we are probably the only shop who ever set up GTP heads in that way (with the Manley convolouted and drilled 1.550" retainers and Isky springs.) Those heads are strictly for solid roller applications as they are setup. I have no idea how old they are but it has been a very long while since we've sold a set of those. For the record, we did not and never have done ANY additional porting on GTP heads once Craig is finished with them. The cracks in the intake ports are due to an incorrect shim setup and is easily corrected once the cracks are repaired and the springs are re-shimmed. The valves are 5/16" stem, and the valve length on those heads are normally .100" longer than stock to accomodate the springs and high lift solid roller cams. You CANNOT use those with a hydraulic cam or with stock rockers without shimming the rocker stands and changing to an hydraulic roller compatable spring. You CANNOT just put stock length 8mm valves back in. Please verify what you have before just swapping parts out. If anyone is interested in details on those heads or how to repair them, feel free to contact me. I have 2 sets of them that are my personal heads with TI valves and copper-beryllium seats sitting right behind me. A similar set of those heads made 523RWHP on a 408 through a STOCK LS6 intake and a 9" w/4.57 gears back in 2001. They are extremely good heads and are worth saving.

Just my $.02...

Shane Burgess
Co-Owner, VP Operations
Thunder Performance Group, Inc.
d/b/a Thunder Racing

Ok how am I tryin to defraud u? U assure me that these heads were in great shape. I knew of some welding being done to the heads but i didnt know u did some welding on one head under the valve spring. U did all kinds of grinding to the shimes just to get the valve springs to fit. Since i need to use a different spring Im going to need to have the heads machinced to get my valve springs to fit right. Also inside the ports where the heads were welded are showing a few cracks. I can and I will be posting up pics of the hack welding job u did and I will post the pics up of how u grinded and shimed the vALVE SPRINGS TO GET THEM TO WORK. U knew the heads were junk thats why u sold a set of 3500 heads for 800.00. I should have know I could get a good set of heads for that cheap. As for why it took me so long to get back to u its only because I finally am getting around to get my car done. I also have plenty of people on this board who know me and have bought from me that will back me up.

I have owned 2 sets of heads done by craig gallant at gtp. I can tell you that all the welding done is done by him, even before he started to port. That welding is necessary for how much he ports and reshapes everything. Also adds weld under the spring seats so that the larger valve springs can be run safetly. Those are some bad bad heads and i believe they are only for solid roller apps. You should post some pics of the problem you have or think you have. I would take those heads off you if you dont want them. LMK.

I hate to get involved in this thread, but I recognize those heads because we are probably the only shop who ever set up GTP heads in that way (with the Manley convolouted and drilled 1.550" retainers and Isky springs.) Those heads are strictly for solid roller applications as they are setup. I have no idea how old they are but it has been a very long while since we've sold a set of those. For the record, we did not and never have done ANY additional porting on GTP heads once Craig is finished with them. The cracks in the intake ports are due to an incorrect shim setup and is easily corrected once the cracks are repaired and the springs are re-shimmed. The valves are 5/16" stem, and the valve length on those heads are normally .100" longer than stock to accomodate the springs and high lift solid roller cams. You CANNOT use those with a hydraulic cam or with stock rockers without shimming the rocker stands and changing to an hydraulic roller compatable spring. You CANNOT just put stock length 8mm valves back in. Please verify what you have before just swapping parts out. If anyone is interested in details on those heads or how to repair them, feel free to contact me. I have 2 sets of them that are my personal heads with TI valves and copper-beryllium seats sitting right behind me. A similar set of those heads made 523RWHP on a 408 through a STOCK LS6 intake and a 9" w/4.57 gears back in 2001. They are extremely good heads and are worth saving.

Just my $.02...

Shane Burgess
Co-Owner, VP Operations
Thunder Performance Group, Inc.
d/b/a Thunder Racing

Shane thanks for providing a good background on the heads there from Paul's old car BTW we spoke on the phone a few times when I first got the car.

I would take those heads off you if you dont want them. LMK.

I truly hope that this guy was that reasonable but what lsxhawk is trying to do is steal out of my paypal account by whatever means possible and keep the heads for his use.

Shane thanks for providing a good background on the heads there from Paul's old car BTW we spoke on the phone a few times when I first got the car.

I figured they were his. I recognized them... :D

Shane

I truly hope that this guy was that reasonable but what lsxhawk is trying to do is steal out of my paypal account by whatever means possible and keep the heads for his use.U got to be a complete moron. Im not tryin to steal nor am I tryin to rip u off. I tried to keep this between me and u but u decided that u wanted to make this thread and try to make me look like Im tryin to steal from u. If I would have know these heads were welded under the springs I WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT THEM. u told me that the only welding that was done was what was pictured. U never stated they were welded under the springs. Whoever did the weld work is a complete fuckin hack and he grinded the shit out of the shimes just to get the springs to fit. I dont understand why one head is welded and the onther one aint? I can understand the welding being done in area where the porter went to far but for where the welding is done under the springs there had to be some type of head failure. Now the only reason why I did what i did with paypal was to try to either get u to refund my money and give u the heads back or atleast give me the money to get the heads fixed right. I dont know how u think Im tryin to steal from u. Also like I stated before i just finally got around to getting my car up and running. Now all u did was fuck me and Im not to happy about it.

As for all the people who have put in there 2 cents u need to understand there is always 2 side to a story. Im not tryin to rip this guy off. I would like to know what u guys would do if u got a set of heads like I got. Would u be happy at all? WOULD U LIKE PISSING 800.00 AWAY ON A SET OF HEADS THAT ARE FUCKIN JUNK. Now I know 3 months later is too late. Thats why I went to him asking if he could help me out. maybe he is telling the truth and didnt know the heads were the way thery were but jus like I was spectical about getting these heads so cheap. maybe he did know they were junk and thats why he let them go so cheap. Either way I got fucked and I hope this threads lets anyone who buys from him again will ask more question then i did so they dont get screwed like i did. So wyatt if ur a honest man and u really didnt know these heads were junk then maybe u should think about how u would feel if u were me.


I truly hope that this guy was that reasonable but what lsxhawk is trying to do is steal out of my paypal account by whatever means possible and keep the heads for his use.Explain to me how Im tryin to do that. Do u even have a clue on how paypal works? By looking at that post there is no way u do.

U got to be a complete moron. Im not tryin to steal nor am I tryin to rip u off. I tried to keep this between me and u but u decided that u wanted to make this thread and try to make me look like Im tryin to steal from u. If I would have know these heads were welded under the springs I WOULD HAVE NEVER BOUGHT THEM. u told me that the only welding that was done was what was pictured. U never stated they were welded under the springs. Whoever did the weld work is a complete fuckin hack and he grinded the shit out of the shimes just to get the springs to fit. I dont understand why one head is welded and the onther one aint? I can understand the welding being done in area where the porter went to far but for where the welding is done under the springs there had to be some type of head failure. Now the only reason why I did what i did with paypal was to try to either get u to refund my money and give u the heads back or atleast give me the money to get the heads fixed right. I dont know how u think Im tryin to steal from u. Also like I stated before i just finally got around to getting my car up and running. Now all u did was fuck me and Im not to happy about it.

As for all the people who have put in there 2 cents u need to understand there is always 2 side to a story. Im not tryin to rip this guy off. I would like to know what u guys would do if u got a set of heads like I got. Would u be happy at all? WOULD U LIKE PISSING 800.00 AWAY ON A SET OF HEADS THAT ARE FUCKIN JUNK. Now I know 3 months later is too late. Thats why I went to him asking if he could help me out. maybe he is telling the truth and didnt know the heads were the way thery were but jus like I was spectical about getting these heads so cheap. maybe he did know they were junk and thats why he let them go so cheap. Either way I got fucked and I hope this threads lets anyone who buys from him again will ask more question then i did so they dont get screwed like i did. So wyatt if ur a honest man and u really didnt know these heads were junk then maybe u should think about how u would feel if u were me.


Explain to me how Im tryin to do that. Do u even have a clue on how paypal works? By looking at that post there is no way u do.


It's been explained by a few reputable people why the heads were welded at the springs. I started the price on those heads at $1500 and kept dropping there was lots of interest but these are specialized heads and there not one size fits all so it's hard to find a buyer. Shit you've got a buyer in this thread and now you know every detail about the assembly of the heads you can probably sell them for more than you paid.

I'm confident that there was nothing wrong with these heads when I ran them on my car I have a FI car now and obviously those heads won't work so that's the reason I sold them.

You bitched at moaned first anyway about the valves being too long and the springs not working for you that's not my fault I am not going to sit here and accept that you say these heads are junk when they were fine when they left my car, fine when I had them flowed, and fine when I shipped them. It's been three months I have no clue what has happened in that time.

The reason I made this post is because unlike your trying to make it sound you didn't try and contact me first about these heads the first problem I knew of was the paypal dispute. I have zero respect for plus the extended timeframe it appears to be total fraud.

My suggestion to you is work out a deal with the guy I put you in touch with or sell the heads. I've gone above and beyond what I need to do for something I sold that long ago. There's no vendor that would ever honor something as dumb as your asking me too.


It seems to me being an ex-sponsor "Streetnstrip" this stuff would be obvious to you. (MOD EDIT: Last time I will edit out unnecessary info.)

These are the days of our lives, sell the heads to the other guys and go on your way!! These heads came off my buddy scott's car had they were fine. So sell them or get over it.:D:D

It's been explained by a few reputable people why the heads were welded at the springs. I started the price on those heads at $1500 and kept dropping there was lots of interest but these are specialized heads and there not one size fits all so it's hard to find a buyer. Shit you've got a buyer in this thread and now you know every detail about the assembly of the heads you can probably sell them for more than you paid.

I'm confident that there was nothing wrong with these heads when I ran them on my car I have a FI car now and obviously those heads won't work so that's the reason I sold them.

You bitched at moaned first anyway about the valves being too long and the springs not working for you that's not my fault I am not going to sit here and accept that you say these heads are junk when they were fine when they left my car, fine when I had them flowed, and fine when I shipped them. It's been three months I have no clue what has happened in that time.

The reason I made this post is because unlike your trying to make it sound you didn't try and contact me first about these heads the first problem I knew of was the paypal dispute. I have zero respect for plus the extended timeframe it appears to be total fraud.

My suggestion to you is work out a deal with the guy I put you in touch with or sell the heads. I've gone above and beyond what I need to do for something I sold that long ago. There's no vendor that would ever honor something as dumb as your asking me too.


It seems to me being an ex-sponsor "Streetnstrip" this stuff would be obvious to you. (MOD EDIT: Last time I will edit out unnecessary info.)Ok this is my final post. Yes i did screw up by waiting this long but I thought and trusted ur words and thats why I went with the purchase. Yes I was a sponsor on here and I still do alot of work on cars so I do know what Im talking about. So when i say the heads are junk then yes there junk. They could be fixed but thats not what I bought. I was suppsoe to get a good set of heads but I didnt. Ur buddy said that his car smoked like hell when he run these heads and I know why. U can have all ur buddies come in this thread and try to help u out and make u look like an honest guy but ur not. Ur a fuckin theif and I hope that someone see this thread before they ever buy from u. U had to of know the heads were the way they were.
U are lucky that I waited this long because u would have more problems them u want.




http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/negative-trader-feedback/1187757-laughatrice-buyers-beware.html

Buyer beware. You don't get a warranty or guarantee with used stuff.

Lsxhawk, this gentleman owes you nothing. As a former sponsor you should know something about contract law.

My two cents, but I'd rather trust the people who know these heads and the sponsor here who worked on them than someone who can't even get his grammar right :P

It's like you're ignoring the sponsor's whole post about them. And are you threatening the OP too? :nono:

Buyer beware. You don't get a warranty or guarantee with used stuff.

Lsxhawk, this gentleman owes you nothing. As a former sponsor you should know something about contract law.Ur right I did screw up but what part of he had to know these heads were junk dont u understand?

I agree with Ping King i bought the Cam from laughatrice. I didn't know I had to buy longer valves and enormous springs. I offered to take the valvetrain parts off your hands that won't work for ya. Sure i didn't think i would have to do that stuff but I don't mind doing it because I saved a ton of money getting it used and it looks new and so do the lifters I bought from him and, the gears and the driveshaft, I have no complaints with the parts I have purchased from him. and honestly he never built the car and truely dosent know and can't be expected to know every little detail and history of the parts.

Ur right I did screw up but what part of he had to know these heads were junk dont u understand?

One: they aren't junk (unless you turned them into junk) judging by what the sponsor who worked on them and others who previously worked on them/owned them have said.

Two: He didn't build the car the way it was, so how was he supposed to know all the little details of the stuff?

I have nothing at stake in this and don't know anybody involved here. I'm just looking at this as someone from the outside.

For the record I never asked anyone to come in here and stand behind these heads the only person in this thread I spoke to about this deal was antivenom because I thought maybe you two could exchange parts that was to help you out Sam.

I believe caged02 stated that his car smoked like a diesel UNTIL he had them worked on by Craig at GTP but his car ran like a "raped ape" when he got them back I would have to agree with the part about running like a raped ape before I pulled the heads.

These are good heads I took detail pictures of them and gave you all the info I had and LISTEN GOOD THIS TIME I NEVER REMOVED THE SPRINGS. This whole I sold them cheap because I new something was wrong with them is bullshit I sold them for $800 because that's where the demand was I knocked off money every week until they were gone AGAIN I STARTED AT $1500 most used parts sell at 1/3 orginal value anyway. I'm sick of playing games with you there's people in here that want to buy them antivenom offered you $600 for the valves and springs alone thats most of what you have in them.

The bottom line is you wanted to rip me off and now your exposed I never heard a peep from you until after the you filed with paypal. If you were really itching to unload these heads you'd take those offers. My guess is your ran out of money and your looking for a quick $800 bucks.

For the record I never asked anyone to come in here and stand behind these heads the only person in this thread I spoke to about this deal was antivenom because I thought maybe you two could exchange parts that was to help you out Sam.

I believe caged02 stated that his car smoked like a diesel UNTIL he had them worked on by Craig at GTP but his car ran like a "raped ape" when he got them back I would have to agree with the part about running like a raped ape before I pulled the heads.

These are good heads I took detail pictures of them and gave you all the info I had and LISTEN GOOD THIS TIME I NEVER REMOVED THE SPRINGS. This whole I sold them cheap because I new something was wrong with them is bullshit I sold them for $800 because that's where the demand was I knocked off money every week until they were gone AGAIN I STARTED AT $1500 most used parts sell at 1/3 orginal value anyway. I'm sick of playing games with you there's people in here that want to buy them antivenom offered you $600 for the valves and springs alone thats most of what you have in them.

The bottom line is you wanted to rip me off and now your exposed I never heard a peep from you until after the you filed with paypal. If you were really itching to unload these heads you'd take those offers. My guess is your ran out of money and your looking for a quick $800 bucks.I did not want to rip u off u ripped me off and yes its my fault for waiting so long. Im not going to put the money in my motor and run a set of heads that are in the shape these ones are in. Everyone has said these are the best heads out there and thats why i got them. If the work that was done to them was done by the guy porting them then I now know why no ones sales them. Therre are plenty of other head companies out there that port heads that dont do what was done to these heads. As for me running out of money well bud I have more then enough money so no I didnt run out of money. As for TheFallen sending u info about me maybe u should check his last 2 usernames that were banned. Quik and electronss are both banned usernames. My one screen name streetnstrip was closed because i decided to end my advertising on here.

Sounds to me like someone saw a set of GTP heads for a really good price & wanted them no matter what. If everything stated by both patries is only even half true, then you got no room to complain man.

You bought a set of heads knowing the valves were wrong for your combo, spring set-up wasnt ideal & that there was some welding done to them.

To me this sounds like a inexperienced kid buying parts without knowing what he is buying. Not calling you a child but the things so far posted doesnt exactly scream experienced sponsor buying heads he knew about.

If your that experienced one would think youd know a set of heads thats set-up for solid roller combos, yet you still bought them for a different type of set-up.


In the end paypal wont make him give you a cent b/c flat out he described the heads, helped anwser your questions, shipped said heads & you recieved said heads. Case closed in their opinon. Sounds like you need to make sure of what your buying next time & check everything immediately when it arrives & not 3 months later.

I helped caged02 pull them off the orange car & reinstall them after Craig fixed them. The car ran awesome & it never smoked again. :D
$800 for those is a steal!!!

Ur right I did screw up but what part of he had to know these heads were junk dont u understand?

1) Can you explain, using only facts and properly spelled words, why these heads are junk? Almost any head done by Craig is a far cry from junk. I have a set of GTP stage 2's that will never be for sale.

2) You need to realize that the used parts classifieds here are just that...used parts. There are not guarantees about the quality of anything. But, more than that, it's not the quality that's the problem here...it's the fact that the product you purchased doesn't work with YOUR setup. It doesn't matter who's fault it is that you didn't have the information, the bottom line is you willingly paid for them and have had plenty of time to measure the valve length to figure out this wasn't going to work for you.

3) Quit bitching...if you aren't interested in using those heads for yourself then SELL THEM. Geez, you have the whole history of the heads here, what their purpose is, what kind of power they can make, flow...everything except part number for replacement valves and springs.

4) It's "You" not "U" and "You're/Your" not "Ur"

Did this paypal dispute close in laughatrice's favor? If he somehow gets screwed on the $, I hope one of the LS1tech admins will ban LSXhawk for "double ripping" off someone. Taking parts and $.

LSXHawk: You're completely in the wrong here.

Did this paypal dispute close in laughatrice's favor? If he somehow gets screwed on the $, I hope one of the LS1tech admins will ban LSXhawk for "double ripping" off someone. Taking parts and $.

LSXHawk: You're completely in the wrong here.

:cheers:

LSXHawk your "argument" for your side is pathetic to say the least.

Did this paypal dispute close in laughatrice's favor? If he somehow gets screwed on the $, I hope one of the LS1tech admins will ban LSXhawk for "double ripping" off someone. Taking parts and $.

LSXHawk: You're completely in the wrong here.Im guessing u dont know how paypal works well let me tell u how it works. I filed a dispute against him hoping he would help me with the issues I was having with the heads and being it was past the 45 days of me paying him. There is no way i can keep the heads and get a full refund. i would have had to send him the heads and then I would have gotten my money back but being it was past the 45 days. He didnt have to give me shit. Im guessing the few of u who posted ur opinion in here dont know how paypal works or u wouldnt be posting post like this. Yeah the heads are good but for the shape they were in they werent worth using. If this is the way GTP does his heads then I know now why no one no longer sells them. I did take to long to get back to him because i didnt get around to checking the heads so yes its my fault. I learned my lesson and Im going to move forward. The welds that were done to the one head was just riduculous. I dont think GTP would have done what was done to these heads.

Sounds to me like someone saw a set of GTP heads for a really good price & wanted them no matter what. If everything stated by both patries is only even half true, then you got no room to complain man.

You bought a set of heads knowing the valves were wrong for your combo, spring set-up wasnt ideal & that there was some welding done to them.

To me this sounds like a inexperienced kid buying parts without knowing what he is buying. Not calling you a child but the things so far posted doesnt exactly scream experienced sponsor buying heads he knew about.

If your that experienced one would think youd know a set of heads thats set-up for solid roller combos, yet you still bought them for a different type of set-up.


In the end paypal wont make him give you a cent b/c flat out he described the heads, helped anwser your questions, shipped said heads & you recieved said heads. Case closed in their opinon. Sounds like you need to make sure of what your buying next time & check everything immediately when it arrives & not 3 months later.
ur half correct. I asked him questions about what all was welded and he assured me that the welds were only done where u could see in the picture. He never told me that the heads were welded under the valve springs like they were. If GTP fixed the heads like he states then I dont understand why he didnt machine the heads like he should have. Basically the welds were done and someone grinded the shit out of the shimes just to get the springs to fit. I really dont think a good shop would do something like that especially when he would have the tools to fix it right. Its just upsetting I thought and was told I was getting something better then what I got.

Sam we can go back and forth all day the fact is your obviously too stupid to get the facts. Let me spell it out.

-I bought car with these heads installed and running great dyno'd in my possession at 510rwhp 471rwtq.
-Read previous owner statements about head work done prior to my ownership of car
-1 month after purchasing car I pulled heads as I was building a FI motor nothing was wrong with car when I tore it down
-Put heads for sale three weeks later you bought them I never did anything to these heads except remove them from the block and have the driver side flowed. So stop saying I did this wrong and I did that wrong it's bullshit.

These heads were at 100% on my car which was solid roller LS1 418CI that's the bottom line I hear you saying that the welds are bad heads are shit etc but they were fine when I had them.

The bottom line is they don't work for YOUR application if you were to use them
correctly they would be fine but this shit isn't plug and play as your learning.


Here's the most important part and why I think your a fraud.

I have put one person in touch with you via phone and he wanted to give you $600 for the valves and springs you paid me like $750 for the heads you told him no. There is one person in this thread that considered buying the heads from you and tell me did you follow up with that? Have you put these heads up for sale? NO you've done none of that because your intention has always been to keep these heads. You either sold lost or ruined them if you really wanted to unload them and get your money back you've had chances.

No one's stupid everyone knows how paypal works but that doesn't stop people from defrauding the system just read these forums I'd hate to give you any hints on how to screw people.


I actually wish I wouldn't have sold them looking back on it I barely got any money out of them and solid roller setups aren't cheap. The problem is you've been dicking around with them that's reason enough for me to steer clear.

Sam we can go back and forth all day the fact is your obviously too stupid to get the facts. Let me spell it out.

-I bought car with these heads installed and running great dyno'd in my possession at 510rwhp 471rwtq.
-Read previous owner statements about head work done prior to my ownership of car
-1 month after purchasing car I pulled heads as I was building a FI motor nothing was wrong with car when I tore it down
-Put heads for sale three weeks later you bought them I never did anything to these heads except remove them from the block and have the driver side flowed. So stop saying I did this wrong and I did that wrong it's bullshit.

These heads were at 100% on my car which was solid roller LS1 418CI that's the bottom line I hear you saying that the welds are bad heads are shit etc but they were fine when I had them.

The bottom line is they don't work for YOUR application if you were to use them
correctly they would be fine but this shit isn't plug and play as your learning.


Here's the most important part and why I think your a fraud.

I have put one person in touch with you via phone and he wanted to give you $600 for the valves and springs you paid me like $750 for the heads you told him no. There is one person in this thread that considered buying the heads from you and tell me did you follow up with that? Have you put these heads up for sale? NO you've done none of that because your intention has always been to keep these heads. You either sold lost or ruined them if you really wanted to unload them and get your money back you've had chances.

No one's stupid everyone knows how paypal works but that doesn't stop people from defrauding the system just read these forums I'd hate to give you any hints on how to screw people.


I actually wish I wouldn't have sold them looking back on it I barely got any money out of them and solid roller setups aren't cheap. The problem is you've been dicking around with them that's reason enough for me to steer clear.
Blah Bla blah ur right I am stupid for buying from u. If u knew how paypal works then why would u make a post saying Im tryin to keep the heads and keep ur money? And if u knew how paypal works u wouild have know that it was past the 45 days and that nothing could be done. Now the heads have been fixed and sold to another person within the last week. I was going to post that but being there are people stilll giving ther worthless 2 cents I figured I would add mine again. My only point is u had to of know the heads were welded where they were. If I would have know that I would have never bought them. The weld job that was done under the valves and the grinding on the shimes was a complete hack job. No buddy who does head work would do something like that. GTP does great work and Im sure they didnt do what was done to these heads. Yes its my fault for waiting to long and I thought sending u a PM and explaining what was wrong would work. But u decided u wanted to bring the public into this so u could have a few of ur friends stick up for u. To me u got to defensive about the problem I had so that would lead me to think u had to of know. As for u tryin to help me resell them to the person who u had call me or sell them to someone in this thread. Well being they know u my trust level for them would be at the same rate I have urs at now. Now the heads are sold and the guy said the heads are fine for now.

How would I have had to know you can't see that area without removing the valve spring are you stupid.

Don't act like you tried to resolve this privately thats bullshit the first I heard of this was from paypal. I made this post to further prevent you from taking other action to defraud me.

The heads were fine from the start nothing needed to be fixed if you say they were a hack job before tell me how did you fix the hack job and what's different that makes them work now.

They didn't work for you because as you told me the springs were wrong for your application and the valve stems were .010 longer than stock (solid roller setup). You said that in PM to me and in this thread. Sorry that doesn't get you a refund espically 3 months later this isn't walmart.

Using the search function starting with you exsponsor alias streetnstrip it's not the first time you've had trouble. Seems like there's a lot of Sam's from the Pittsburgh area on here.