Drag Racing Results - CAM ONLY NEW BEST 10.617 at 124.66MPH!!!!

Caught some good air today and good track prep

DA -872 at the time of the run

662 Elevation
41* Temp
30.39 Baro
22* Dew

Now for the goods

First pass of the day the car lifted the tires higher than it has ever before, and i knew it was going to be good day for a new PB...

Next pass stalled it up as high as it would go and pulled off a

1.3670....60ft
4.2681....330ft
6.7278....1/8 99.79MPH
8.8509....1000ft
10.6539....1/4 125.06MPH

next pass was my best mph

125.33MPH

Final pass i made staged shallow and gave her hell

1.3561....60ft
4.2399....330ft
6.6919....1/8 100.18MPH
8.8138....1000ft
10.6170....1/4 124.66MPH

Things that have changed since my 10.81 at 122mph in -400 da is the air, FAST 92, 12 bolt with 4.10...raceweight is still pretty close to what it was(lost some here but gained some there)...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=201154&stc=1&d=1255316278

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=201166&stc=1&d=1255316857

since i took the mods out of the sig cause it was getting too crowded here they are

Engine

230/230 cam
1 3/4 qtp headers (non hvmc)
ORY to Cutout & stock catback
my custom ram air
Ported Fast 92/92
85mm truck maf
25% UD pulley
85mm FTP lid

Suspension & Others

SS4000
TCI Flexplate
rear lca's
weld in SFC
midwest chassis tunnel mount tq arm
spohn rear drag bar
panhard
aluminum spooled 12 bolt, 4.10s
275/60/15 (28") M/T drag radials
qa1r single adj front shocks
stock rear shocks and springs

SPEED INC. TUNED

Incredible day for my sons cam only car!!!! That combo you have put together is amazing.1.35 60ft on drag radials for a street car is insane!

Incredible day for my sons cam only car!!!! That combo you have put together is amazing.1.35 60ft on drag radials for a street car is insane!

yeah i know i put 400miles on my car this weekend ha

thanks for all the help with the install in the garage...

LOOKS like i got a new TITLE

LOWEST 60ft CAM ONLY CAR...at least according to the list...:pimp: wonder what it could have been if i was 2900lbs:confused:

Congrats man, you have one strong car your 60's are great but you also have some strong MPH for a cam only car.

awesome man. glad you are still going after it. That thing runs hard.

very nice chris, congrads!!

Nice runs man! Some incredible 60ft times for sure.

Forgive me but I would like to pick your brain once again. Just to clarify, you went from an ls6 to fast 92, not 90 to 92? What rpm are you trapping at and what are your shift points? What do you have your pinion angle set at? Also, was this predatorz's el torro? For some reason I think I remember you posting in the el torro threads.

When I read you went with a spool I thought you must not put much miles on her, but when I read 400 miles in one weekend, I smiled :nod:.

Nice runs man! Some incredible 60ft times for sure.

Forgive me but I would like to pick your brain once again. Just to clarify, you went from an ls6 to fast 92, not 90 to 92? What rpm are you trapping at and what are your shift points? What do you have your pinion angle set at? Also, was this predatorz's el torro? For some reason I think I remember you posting in the el torro threads.

When I read you went with a spool I thought you must not put much miles on her, but when I read 400 miles in one weekend, I smiled :nod:.

yeah i got the name of that cam from him after it became verified so to speak, it is the el torro

i went from a ls6 intake to a fast 92...used the same dyno but it had been re calibrated so the numbers cant really be used to compare...i lost like 13rwhp and around 21rwtq going to the fast...ouch right, but the times showed around 1mph increase...but i still think my 60ft would be a hair better with the ls6 intake...basically i traded some low end tq for top end mph going to the fast...i would not recommend it for this cam only if i had to do it all over again...since i plan on getting heads later i kept it on...

pinion at -2*, not sure on the rpm though the traps, havent really checked yet...shifting at 6800

yeah the spool is a little rough on the tires especially in corners but i didnt wanna have to replace the posi...seen my dad do it and learned...

Very nice results I can't believe your track has racing in that cold of weather! Our track shut down a few weeks ago and it was still 80 degrees out. Won't open back up until april or may.

I know it's been asked before, but I can't remember...

What weight reduction does your car have?

:bs: :jest: Haha...just kidding Chris...Very nice job! :D

good job bro!

What kind of converter arey ou running again?

Impressive times, especially the short.

What kind of converter arey ou running again?

Impressive times, especially the short.

I'm assuming a Yank SS4000 if I read his sig right :D

I'm assuming a Yank SS4000 if I read his sig right :D

:gtfo:





:bang:



:lol:


Pisses me off, I'm trying to get to a 1.49 60' NA right now..... But I am also trying to do this in 2500 DA and full weight.. :nod:

I'm just trying to run a 6.9x all motor, I wouldn't give a shit if my 60' was a 2.0x or 1.0x. :judge:

awesome Chris ! great job :thumb:hope to see you on the 25th at Byron

Dam!!!!!!:nod: Car is flyin.:chug:Congrats!!!!!

Chris great job. This just show's it all about the setup. aND YOU NAILED YOURS. Had a great time with you and your dad and we both came home with new best 10.xx runs. It was a good day of racing and yea we put on over 400miles this weekend and ran two events this weekend and didnt trailer them.

HOLY SH!T! awesome results

The -1200 would have been nice @ GLD Saturday night...it was good hanging out. The shop car would have seen maybe a 130 trap speed by what I see you gained here from the air.

don't forget that tune :)

congrats, wish mine performed like that. Must be doing something wrong over here :(

Wow.... Congrats man!

very nice times. have the heads been milled or untouched heads?

Nice, 1.35 60' is impressive. So...what size shot? Lol

very nice times. have the heads been milled or untouched heads?

untouched heads from everything I've seen.. thus "cam-only"

Hahaha big shot lol True cam only car here boy's. That SS4000 did it job

I'm just trying to run a 6.9x all motor, I wouldn't give a shit if my 60' was a 2.0x or 1.0x. :judge:

I hope to see a 7.0 next track visit.. I'm a little more handicapped than some of you guys though... I will NOT take weight out of this car though..

Nice times. Sick 60'. nice meeting you guys the other night.

I know it's been asked before, but I can't remember...

What weight reduction does your car have?

Deleted items that I can remember are…

Car is a z28 cloth hardtop which helps some…
a/c system ~33lbs
front and rear bumper supports ~40lbs
passenger seat ~30lb cloth non power
rear seats and belts ~IIRC around ~30lbs
rear 2 plastics for track with divider ~8lbs
4 floor mats~?
Front sway bar and brackets ~18lbs
Sound deadening from stock carpet ~15lbs
Windshield washer resv. ~5lbs (with some liquid)
Front black radiator plastic pieces (2 pieces) ~4lbs IIRC
Tunnel mount bracket/brace ~3lbs
Front skinnies with 165 generics ~40lbs rotating
Rear drag rims with 275 MT drag radials~10lbs rotating
E brake cables and shoes ~IIRC 6lbs
Stock amp and wires that run to it ~5lbs
Headers lighter than manifolds
SS4000 lighter than stock tq converter
A.I.R. system ~ ?
Lighten up driver seat using Al angle ~12lbs stock cloth seat is now 26lbs…I have a thread on it
Spare tire and jack ~IIRC 35lbs
Fiberglass sunoco pin on hood ~35lbs (more that I thought it was going to be worth for a stock z28 hood)
12bolt with aluminum spool, lightened 4.10 ring gear, 2" shortened per side, with rear drag brakes...25lbs lighter than 10 bolt with calipers on it...

Other little stuff I am sure I am forgetting

Things added weight…

Aftermarket speakers in doors and sail ~10lbs total

SFC ~16lbs
Rear drag bar ~probably 10lbs
Body Mount tq arm ~probably around 8lbs
Pillar gauge pod with wires ~5lbs

HOLY SH!T! awesome results

The -1200 would have been nice @ GLD Saturday night...it was good hanging out. The shop car would have seen maybe a 130 trap speed by what I see you gained here from the air.

don't forget that tune :)

i thought you might like that...also edited something for you check out the 1st post...

was a good weekend thanks again for hooking us you with the amazing bbq...man i wish i had some of that for lunch tomorrow i might be stopping by the shop...:D

Nice, 1.35 60' is impressive. So...what size shot? Lol

which stage???

















haha j/k if i had a shot i would have some serious scratches on my rear bumper...but a more impressive picture...

very nice times. have the heads been milled or untouched heads?

yeah unmilled i wanted to mill them but the PTVC was too close i have an old thread out there on the cam install...was ~0.086 on the intake if i remember right

He is running stock untouched 241 heads,also his Fast 92 intake is ported,and NO ROLL BAR.We have raced at our Ghetto track(41) on the Sunday after Christmas in past years,thats how long they like to stay open,sometimes.Look on Yanks website at his old videos,its cold as HELL!!!

Nice times. Sick 60'. nice meeting you guys the other night.

Yeah nice to meet you guys as well

DA -872 at the time of the run

662 Elevation
41* Temp
30.39 Baro
22* Dew


My track won't even open in less than 45 degree weather. And I've never seen barometric pressure that high around here.

Awesome results considering that you only have an SS4000. Just imagine how fast it would be with a PT4000.

i thought you might like that...also edited something for you check out the 1st post...

was a good weekend thanks again for hooking us you with the amazing bbq...man i wish i had some of that for lunch tomorrow i might be stopping by the shop...:D


NICE!

no problem on the food...The ribs you guys did not get to experience tasted so good at lunch today ;)

see you the 25th

My track won't even open in less than 45 degree weather. And I've never seen barometric pressure that high around here.

Awesome results considering that you only have an SS4000. Just imagine how fast it would be with a PT4000.

haha nice...

and US41 is the same it has to be around 45 degrees too, but it was an event day so they bent the rule a little...

NICE!

no problem on the food...The ribs you guys did not get to experience tasted so good at lunch today ;)

see you the 25th

Can a brother get a bone at least lol that man can cook

damn chris nice wheels up......elmer you better cut some lights to stay in front of your kid.......

way to go guys......i gotta get a car,i miss not hang out with you guys at the track.

maybe next year. congrats on the new time!!!!!

Congrats, great setup. Oh, and nice hood too. :D

This is plenty of proof for me that I need a better converter. I MPH close to what you did, but in 1200+ DA. I'm about .15 slower at the 60' though. What size rear rims are those? I'm thinking 15X10 by the looks of them.

Congrats, great setup. Oh, and nice hood too. :D

This is plenty of proof for me that I need a better converter. I MPH close to what you did, but in 1200+ DA. I'm about .15 slower at the 60' though. What size rear rims are those? I'm thinking 15X10 by the looks of them.

you have a good eye...only thing with the B.S. rims is the rears weigh 16.2lbs:bang:...but i drive it on the street so i am not risking some of the lighter ones...

rear rims with 28" m/t rubber is 46lbs:bomb:

damn chris nice wheels up......elmer you better cut some lights to stay in front of your kid.......

way to go guys......i gotta get a car,i miss not hang out with you guys at the track.

maybe next year. congrats on the new time!!!!!

looking forward to it...i will have a 25rwhp ram air waiting when you are ready:pimp:

you have a good eye...only thing with the B.S. rims is the rears weigh 16.2lbs:bang:...but i drive it on the street so i am not risking some of the lighter ones...

rear rims with 28" m/t rubber is 46lbs:bomb:

I may end up buying 15X10's, I run the exact same size tires as you, but on a 15X8. A few people seem to think that my car shouldn't be hooking as good as it does with only an 8" wide rim. IIRC, my 15X8's are about 12-13 lbs each, so don't feel too bad.

Nice Times! Sick 60ft! I hope in Jan we can get some cool nights like that! Don't get me wrong I'm definitely not complaining lol!

Caught some good air today and good track prep

DA -872 at the time of the run

662 Elevation
41* Temp
30.39 Baro
22* Dew

Now for the goods

First pass of the day the car lifted the tires higher than it has ever before, and i knew it was going to be good day for a new PB...

Next pass stalled it up as high as it would go and pulled off a

1.3670....60ft
4.2681....330ft
6.7278....1/8 99.79MPH
8.8509....1000ft
10.6539....1/4 125.06MPH

next pass was my best mph

125.33MPH

Final pass i made staged shallow and gave her hell

1.3561....60ft
4.2399....330ft
6.6919....1/8 100.18MPH
8.8138....1000ft
10.6170....1/4 124.66MPH

Things that have changed since my 10.81 at 122mph in -400 da is the air, FAST 92, 12 bolt with 4.10...raceweight is still pretty close to what it was(lost some here but gained some there)...

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=201154&stc=1&d=1255316278

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=201166&stc=1&d=1255316857

since i took the mods out of the sig cause it was getting too crowded here they are

Engine

230/230 cam
1 3/4 qtp headers (non hvmc)
ORY to Cutout & stock catback
my custom ram air
Ported Fast 92/92
85mm truck maf
25% UD pulley
85mm FTP lid

Suspension & Others

SS4000
TCI Flexplate
rear lca's
weld in SFC
midwest chassis tunnel mount tq arm
spohn rear drag bar
panhard
aluminum spooled 12 bolt, 4.10s
275/60/15 (28") M/T drag radials
qa1r single adj front shocks
stock rear shocks and springs

SPEED INC. TUNED

Good job Chris car looks like it is doing its thing for sure! How many passes are you getting with the M/T Drag Radials?
Keep chipping away at that number!

N2

chris your car would be a sick 1/8th mile car as well 100mph in the 1/8th with a 6.69 dam bro.

Good job Chris, not bad for a little reverse split cam ;) (at some lifts at least :D)

Awsome combo, well done, now you know why I called it "THE BULL". its bigger bros 236/236 does well in a 408 :nod:

I wish I had been there to see it in person, any videos??

Good job Chris, not bad for a little reverse split cam ;) (at some lifts at least :D)

Awsome combo, well done, now you know why I called it "THE BULL". its bigger bros 236/236 does well in a 408 :nod:

I wish I had been there to see it in person, any videos??

no vids unfortunately, just the pic...we kind of left in a hurry for the track...maybe by some slight chance someone else got it...thanks for the props

Good job Chris car looks like it is doing its thing for sure! How many passes are you getting with the M/T Drag Radials?
Keep chipping away at that number!

N2

probably like 75 or so i only do a quick burn out...it is all it needs maybe 4 secs...usually 1 sec longer after i see smoke...plus you can ad in the 3k or so street miles....this was before the spool so i will see how long these last...probably not as long

chris your car would be a sick 1/8th mile car as well 100mph in the 1/8th with a 6.69 dam bro.

i know it has to be even farther up the list if it was 1/8 mile times...that is how my car runs so good, all in the first half of the track...i only back halved 24.6mph on that run...

i know it has to be even farther up the list if it was 1/8 mile times...that is how my car runs so good, all in the first half of the track...i only back halved 24.6mph on that run...

yeah, well now you see the effects of "reverse splits", its "weak point". That is where traditional will fair a bit better. There is always a trade off.
But when you think that heads up, with good reaction time, it will take a shitload more power to "reel" you in on the back half.

That is how I win the majority of my races, for the back half, I let the drugs take over (limited injection of hilarious substances) :D

im about to ask a stupid question in the eyes of most of you.

what makes you able to lift your car like that?
Besides the obvious. Its just that Ive seen cars that are just as fast. or close to it, not be able to...

im about to ask a stupid question in the eyes of most of you.

what makes you able to lift your car like that?
Besides the obvious. Its just that Ive seen cars that are just as fast. or close to it, not be able to...

It just leaves harder than most. The cars you see run mid 10s probably have a lot more MPH as well.

No roll bar and you are under 11.5 seconds? Is it not an NHRA track or what?

No roll bar and you are under 11.5 seconds? Is it not an NHRA track or what?

nope no NHRA track...if it were an NHRA track i would just run it out to the 1/8 and if i thought it was a good run i would keep my foot in it and get my warning for going to fast...then i would have one more full out run before i get the boot...so even at a nhra track you can get two 1/4 mile runs in :)

What rpm are u launching it at? Are u footbraking it?

Can a brother get a bone at least lol that man can cook


LOL.. the racoons got those last night

Very nice, that 60' is just sick! It's cars like yours that make me want to give up on this stock internal bs and throw a cam in...

That is badass, congrats!!!!

Nice passes. Villain281H needs to update the cam only list.

His converter is really a GREAT ONE.I was running a PT4400 last year and he out 60fted my heads and cam car on the same day,and im at least 125 lbs lighter,and 30 more HP.This year i changed to a 4800 stall and its still not 60 fting better than his YANK SS4000,same rear gear 4.10

His converter is really a GREAT ONE.I was running a PT4400 last year and he out 60fted my heads and cam car on the same day,and im at least 125 lbs lighter,and 30 more HP.This year i changed to a 4800 stall and its still not 60 fting better than his YANK SS4000,same rear gear 4.10

Maybe it's just the motor combination making better power in a place that helps it 60'. On top of it being a great stall.

Damn that car is movin out chris, nice work. Hope i can see it run at the track in the spring.

What rpm are u launching it at? Are u footbraking it?

yes footbraking it, brake stalling it as high as it will go without push the front tires through the beams, i dont look at the tach...

Very nice, that 60' is just sick! It's cars like yours that make me want to give up on this stock internal bs and throw a cam in...

naw keep it up your times are great, i wish i would have went farther SI before the cam...could have probably ran a 11.3s with the ss4000 instead of the ss3600 and could have gotten a full dyno tune and rear gear, oh well cant go back now...that mph you have is great

Damn that car is movin out chris, nice work. Hope i can see it run at the track in the spring.

you better, i have to see that ss3600 get down...

yes footbraking it, brake stalling it as high as it will go without push the front tires through the beams, i dont look at the tach...



naw keep it up your times are great, i wish i would have went farther SI before the cam...could have probably ran a 11.3s with the ss4000 instead of the ss3600 and could have gotten a full dyno tune and rear gear, oh well cant go back now...that mph you have is great

Chris, you may want to look at a brake proportioning valve for even better launches. I was able to raise my foot brake launches by 300 rpm using that kit.

He has one!!!!!! already.

Congrats!!!

He has one!!!!!! already.

Ah sooo :) that explains the better results. Ammazing how little details like that make a difference. That is the difference between slapping parts together and engineering it together. Awsome.

naw keep it up your times are great, i wish i would have went farther SI before the cam...could have probably ran a 11.3s with the ss4000 instead of the ss3600 and could have gotten a full dyno tune and rear gear, oh well cant go back now...that mph you have is great

Yeah I'm shooting for 11.2 or lower. Once I hit that the cam goes in. I'm actually hitting up the track this weekend for the first time with a 2-step, new custom ram-air, and about 130 lbs less, so I may be hunting down your times pretty soon :chug:

Yeah I'm shooting for 11.2 or lower. Once I hit that the cam goes in. I'm actually hitting up the track this weekend for the first time with a 2-step, new custom ram-air, and about 130 lbs less, so I may be hunting down your times pretty soon :chug:

nice, sounds good...post up results:pimp:

Ah sooo :) that explains the better results. Ammazing how little details like that make a difference. That is the difference between slapping parts together and engineering it together. Awsome.

yup got the valve when i got the rear no abs...it is on full fronts right now helps with saving my rear brake pads on my drag brakes and the launches some too...

what Ypipe was this on, 1 open cutout?

congrats!

He has QTP headers with a custom Y pipe.We pulled off the catback at the track to save weight.When he put his Strange rear in ,he made the catback unbolt in a coulple of pieces,just for this reason.Easy on,easy off.

He has QTP headers with a custom Y pipe.We pulled off the catback at the track to save weight.When he put his Strange rear in ,he made the catback unbolt in a coulple of pieces,just for this reason.Easy on,easy off.

Yea best mod ever my car is getting it this week haha

Yea best mod ever my car is getting it this week haha

awe crap that is gonna by another .5mph i will have to make up somewhere else:bs:

awe crap that is gonna by another .5mph i will have to make up somewhere else:bs:

just wait i am guning for you you chris lol :chug:

Very nice times, I remember seeing your car get down last year at 41. I might have to look into your ram air w/ac for my car, seems to work good. Do you happen to have a thread or list of your mods from when you were running SI?

Very nice times, I remember seeing your car get down last year at 41. I might have to look into your ram air w/ac for my car, seems to work good. Do you happen to have a thread or list of your mods from when you were running SI?

basically same mods as now, minus

rear drag bar (had an airlift air bag in the pass. spring 35 psi)
body mount tq arm (had stock)
qa1r front shocks (had stock)
ss4000 (had ss3600)
12 bolt (stock 10 bolt 3.23 gears)
and the weight was around 3365 lbs
i think that is it...

i am one for the ac right now finished will give around 3-5rwhp more than a FTRA...pm me if interested

Took a little searchin but i found u, i guess the motor is not completly stock. Iv'e been scrachin my head thinkin hows he goin 10.6 w/ stall, and rear end, when my buddy cant get out of the 13's. I guess i shouldnt. feel that bad that my car at about 3700lbs is only doin 11.2

Took a little searchin but i found u, i guess the motor is not completly stock. Iv'e been scrachin my head thinkin hows he goin 10.6 w/ stall, and rear end, when my buddy cant get out of the 13's. I guess i shouldnt. feel that bad that my car at about 3700lbs is only doin 11.2

yeah fully bolt ons, minus EWP, cam, and stall

Congrats :nod: nice looking pic.

Congrats :nod: nice looking pic.

thanks bud, how do you like that ss4400...is that custom

Very impressive times. All the talk about how crappy 41 is and your cutting mid 1.3s on a DR? Was this a weekend where they prepped the track? I usually go on Wednesdays and the starting line is pretty slick.

ok, now i see where those fast timeslips come from, when you said completly stock engine i couldn't believe that. btw nice times , later

^ His sig says cam only. I'm slightly confused as to where you are reading this. Regardless of what post you are reading his sig still shows and says, "Cam Only and SS4000
10.617 at 124.66MPH 1.356 CAM ONLY 60ft RECORD DA -870ft Race weight 3250lbs"

^ His sig says cam only. I'm slightly confused as to where you are reading this. Regardless of what post you are reading his sig still shows and says, "Cam Only and SS4000
10.617 at 124.66MPH 1.356 CAM ONLY 60ft RECORD DA -870ft Race weight 3250lbs"
He's from the same town. Probably saw each other at the track?

Very impressive times. All the talk about how crappy 41 is and your cutting mid 1.3s on a DR? Was this a weekend where they prepped the track? I usually go on Wednesdays and the starting line is pretty slick.

On a DR?

There are cars with the same tire running 7s in the 1/4.

thanks bud, how do you like that ss4400...is that custom

nope not custom maybe it is now it about 2ys old now feels alittle loose for SI but it works great.I picked up 2tenths over my ST3500

^ His sig says cam only. I'm slightly confused as to where you are reading this. Regardless of what post you are reading his sig still shows and says, "Cam Only and SS4000
10.617 at 124.66MPH 1.356 CAM ONLY 60ft RECORD DA -870ft Race weight 3250lbs"

We saw each other at the track, i didnt believe him when he said stock motor, but just cam, its impressive times but still alot of weight reduction too.

We saw each other at the track, i didnt believe him when he said stock motor, but just cam, its impressive times but still alot of weight reduction too.

Chrs1313 is a liar. He's got a 402 with ported LS1 heads and a huge cam. That's what he's had the whole time, even when he said he was stock internals. Now he's added a progressive 300 shot and he's calling it cam only.

On top of all that he claims to have an SS4000 stall, but it's really a 3000 Fuddle.

We saw each other at the track, i didnt believe him when he said stock motor, but just cam, its impressive times but still alot of weight reduction too.

i said cam only, STOCK heads is probably what you heard...either way it runs pretty good for what it is...how has your car been coming along?

Very impressive times. All the talk about how crappy 41 is and your cutting mid 1.3s on a DR? Was this a weekend where they prepped the track? I usually go on Wednesdays and the starting line is pretty slick.

yeah it was for street car chaos...i made all 4 runs in the first half hour they were open since the track got sprayed till half track...it was hooking pretty good...i would probably never go on a test and tune night though unless i brought my own VHT :devil:

Chrs1313 is a liar. He's got a 402 with ported LS1 heads and a huge cam. That's what he's had the whole time, even when he said he was stock internals. Now he's added a progressive 300 shot and he's calling it cam only.

On top of all that he claims to have an SS4000 stall, but it's really a 3000 Fuddle.

no progressive, 300 right off the line, hense the 60ft, and fuddle 2600 for the big jug shot

no progressive, 300 right off the line, hense the 60ft, and fuddle 2600 for the big jug shot

:rotflmao:
And the 241s are actualy ported 243s "restamped" 241s for credibility.:D

Hey Pred,whats up with all those Fucktards on Hardass Ls1? I wont even waste my time on that site,all they do is nut swing.They ? chris times as not being ligit.I can assure everyone that they are.I have been drag racing for over 35 and know numerous cars that run the same numbers at 41 as they do at rt66 in Joliet,GLD in Wisconsin,and many other tracks in the US.The only tracks that i know of that are ? are out east,and me and my brother have raced there.Rising Son Maryland( down hill by about 15 ft) and ATCO.Thanks for helping Chris out with his cam selection it makes more TQ off the line than my MS3 heads and cam car and im at least 100 lbs lighter than him.Also i have at Cirlcle D 4800 stall,cut a best of 1.37 with it.Still working out the bugs.I think it needs to be loosened up a tad more.

Hey Pred,whats up with all those Fucktards on Hardass Ls1? I wont even waste my time on that site,all they do is nut swing.They ? chris times as not being ligit.I can assure everyone that they are.I have been drag racing for over 35 and know numerous cars that run the same numbers at 41 as they do at rt66 in Joliet,GLD in Wisconsin,and many other tracks in the US.The only tracks that i know of that are ? are out east,and me and my brother have raced there.Rising Son Maryland( down hill by about 15 ft) and ATCO.Thanks for helping Chris out with his cam selection it makes more TQ off the line than my MS3 heads and cam car and im at least 100 lbs lighter than him.Also i have at Cirlcle D 4800 stall,cut a best of 1.37 with it.Still working out the bugs.I think it needs to be loosened up a tad more.

The only :swing:er I know of is Pred Z.....

Im fully aware that cars runs 7s on a 275 DR......just not at US 41.

The only :swing:er I know of is Pred Z.....

let me know when you get in the 10s:eyes:

let me know when you get in the 10s:eyes:

If it werent raining, at my monday track rental I would be..... Let me know when you realise that RS cam has nothing to do with your 60's... And swap an M6 into your car if you think its easy.

If it werent raining, at my monday track rental I would be..... Let me know when you realise that RS cam has nothing to do with your 60's... And swap an M6 into your car if you think its easy.

thats why i am his friend :devil: M6 car here and trust us we know it's not easy to get a m6 in the 10's cam only but we did:chug:

thats why i am his friend :devil: M6 car here and trust us we know it's not easy to get a m6 in the 10's cam only but we did:chug:

Ive got no prob with chris im glad his car runs good, predz, is another story....

However, vindicator is a big cam @ 240/244 .608/.596 112+4, I can see why it went 10.8 @ 126 in your car, congrats.

That cam Chris has makes a lot of torque. That along with the ss4000 which is already a good converter out of the hole is why the 60 is so good. I bet it wouldnt do that with an ms3 cam only.

That cam Chris has makes a lot of torque. That along with the ss4000 which is already a good converter out of the hole is why the 60 is so good. I bet it wouldnt do that with an ms3 cam only.

your spot on my cam would never 60 that with a auto camonly setup

If it werent raining, at my monday track rental I would be..... Let me know when you realise that RS cam has nothing to do with your 60's... And swap an M6 into your car if you think its easy.

check out the polluter results from LSX shootout, M6 car...

also the top two cam only cars are m6...:devil:

I love how everyone keeps saying it is not my cam that makes my car 60ft what it does...it is so easy to cast ones thought as false, but when you do so you have to give your reasons why...so what are they...why does my car 60ft better than everyone else on the list, if it isnt the cam...

remember a majority of the a4 cars on the list are lighter with bigger stalls, and the same suspension mods...also with a better power to weight ratio, i.e. more mph?

i dont care if you dont think it is the cam, but you have to have a rebuttal...

your spot on my cam would never 60 that with a auto camonly setup

but you would mph more :bang:, is it worth the trade off i think we will find out next year, looking at changing the cam :D

check out the polluter results from LSX shootout, M6 car...

also the top two cam only cars are m6...:devil:

I love how everyone keeps saying it is not my cam that makes my car 60ft what it does...it is so easy to cast ones thought as false, but when you do so you have to give your reasons why...so what are they...why does my car 60ft better than everyone else on the list, if it isnt the cam...

remember a majority of the a4 cars on the list are lighter with bigger stalls, and the same suspension mods...also with a better power to weight ratio, i.e. more mph?

i dont care if you dont think it is the cam, but you have to have a rebuttal...

We have a whole ten pages of rebuttal's on the other site.... Everyone except for you and predator z said, hey its not the cam... I also know it was explained to you the possibilities of an inaccurate 60' timing, that there are stock internal cars pulling 1.37's-1.39's which is close enough to be the same. Your car moves out, but it isnt the cam giving you that great 60'.... your car never see's the rpm range pred Z claims to be "so much better" then a non rs cam, and if it does, its for what, 400, 800, 1200 rpm? Hardly enough to give the cam the credit. And just for shits and giggles, my car would go 1.62 consistantly at e town, 1.61 occasionally, but at cecil or atco it went low 1.5's.... Just saying its hard to pin point exactly what moves you when you have a suspension similar to everyone else as you say, but track prep, and luck also have alot to do with it.

We have a whole ten pages of rebuttal's on the other site.... Everyone except for you and predator z said, hey its not the cam... I also know it was explained to you the possibilities of an inaccurate 60' timing, that there are stock internal cars pulling 1.37's-1.39's which is close enough to be the same. Your car moves out, but it isnt the cam giving you that great 60'.... your car never see's the rpm range pred Z claims to be "so much better" then a non rs cam, and if it does, its for what, 400, 800, 1200 rpm? Hardly enough to give the cam the credit. And just for shits and giggles, my car would go 1.62 consistantly at e town, 1.61 occasionally, but at cecil or atco it went low 1.5's.... Just saying its hard to pin point exactly what moves you when you have a suspension similar to everyone else as you say, but track prep, and luck also have alot to do with it.

yea but if it was not for the low end power that the cam is making the car would not Run as well as it is in the 1/8th. i mean 100.18 mph at a 6.69 i would love to see your stick car with a bigger cam come close to that. I mean you can but what will it take???? I t takes leaving the line at 6k plus and having the drive train to hold that. And also the supsen to plant the power. Chris is Runing Stock f- body shocks yes the shocks that cam with the car the day it was sold new. I wish i didnt have to spend $310 on shocks for the rear of my car. I guess all i am trying to say is the cam has alot to do with it but not everything. Chris's car is strong from the line to a little after the 1/8th mark then it just holds it own. I wish my car would leave as hard and charge as hard as his in the 1/8th :devil:

Chris, if you said cam only i apologize i didnt hear you.No dout you and your dad are doing things right, i just dont have the time to pull my interior to lighten up the car. Im all for light weight, i wish my buddy Mike would do just some of the minimums he's runnin 11.0's at 3900lbs. I cant complain tho 11.2 on a 128k shortblock at 3700 lbs is not to bad. maybe next year ill get ambiitious and pull some seats and any thing else and see what it will do. Shoot me an email next time your going out maybe ill try and get out.

Chris, if you said cam only i apologize i didnt hear you.No dout you and your dad are doing things right, i just dont have the time to pull my interior to lighten up the car. Im all for light weight, i wish my buddy Mike would do just some of the minimums he's runnin 11.0's at 3900lbs. I cant complain tho 11.2 on a 128k shortblock at 3700 lbs is not to bad. maybe next year ill get ambiitious and pull some seats and any thing else and see what it will do. Shoot me an email next time your going out maybe ill try and get out.

I agree, not everyone wants to turn there car into a gutted piece of junk.

I agree, not everyone wants to turn there car into a gutted piece of junk.

chris car is not a gutted car by any means or junk,i remember him putting his amps back in the rear for more weight to get more traction last time we ran,does that sound like a gutted car?......its missing the rear seats,pass seat,sound deadner under carpet, the spare tire & jack,front & back impact bars,light weight hood,big n littles for rims & tires & maybe the airbags from what i saw......:pimp:

a couple of you guys are doubters because your jealous of his #s at the track & you have never seen the car........or a car that runs this good for whats done to it........i have and i have also raced him several times & i have checked his car out from top to bottom......its clean & done right,no hack job.:engarde:

chris & elmer are top notch car guys & great people to boot.i dont know whats wrong with you doubters, they tell you everything about what they do too there cars,cams,converters,rear ends & everything else and what works & what doesnt......they are very helpful & a blast to hang with.....:D


he drives it from ILL. to IN. to race at rt41 & back home,no trailer queen,hell he had 25000 more miles on his car compared to my 98........:nod:

you doubters need to quit typing & start learning how its done......:confused:

a couple of you guys are doubters because your jealous of his #s at the track & you have never seen the car........or a car that runs this good for whats done to it........i have and i have also raced him several times & i have checked his car out from top to bottom......its clean & done right,no hack job.:engarde:

chris & elmer are top notch car guys & great people to boot.i dont know whats wrong with you doubters, they tell you everything about what they do too there cars,cams,converters,rear ends & everything else and what works & what doesnt......they are very helpful & a blast to hang with.....:D

you doubters need to quit typing & start learning how its done......:confused:

Who are you talking to :confused:

Not one person here (in this thread) has called bs.

Who are you talking to :confused:

Not one person here (in this thread) has called bs.

All the bashing is going on over at hardcorels1 :punch:

chris car is not a gutted car by any means or junk,i remember him putting his amps back in the rear for more weight to get more traction last time we ran,does that sound like a gutted car?......its missing the rear seats,pass seat,sound deadner under carpet, the spare tire & jack,front & back impact bars,light weight hood,big n littles for rims & tires & maybe the airbags from what i saw......:pimp:

a couple of you guys are doubters because your jealous of his #s at the track & you have never seen the car........or a car that runs this good for whats done to it........i have and i have also raced him several times & i have checked his car out from top to bottom......its clean & done right,no hack job.:engarde:

chris & elmer are top notch car guys & great people to boot.i dont know whats wrong with you doubters, they tell you everything about what they do too there cars,cams,converters,rear ends & everything else and what works & what doesnt......they are very helpful & a blast to hang with.....:D


he drives it from ILL. to IN. to race at rt41 & back home,no trailer queen,hell he had 25000 more miles on his car compared to my 98........:nod:

you doubters need to quit typing & start learning how its done......:confused:

You calling me a doubter? If so then you're a fucking idiot. His car runs good and I always look to his to compare what I'm doing.

As far as it being gutted junk, I'm just picking at him. Which no seats sounds pretty gutted. Ok, he might have had some amps in to get past a suspension problem but he wasn't setting records like that either.

So you dreamers and nut huggers need to quit typing and start learning how its done. That way you can argue with your own car and not brag on someone else achievements. :eyes:

You calling me a doubter? If so then you're a fucking idiot. His car runs good and I always look to his to compare what I'm doing.

As far as it being gutted junk, I'm just picking at him. Which no seats sounds pretty gutted. Ok, he might have had some amps in to get past a suspension problem but he wasn't setting records like that either.

So you dreamers and nut huggers need to quit typing and start learning how its done. That way you can argue with your own car and not brag on someone else achievements. :eyes:

One thing is we both pull the saets at the track and put them back in the car's it only takes 15mins plus the girls need there seats for the 2 hour ride home lol

We have a whole ten pages of rebuttal's on the other site.... Everyone except for you and predator z said, hey its not the cam... I also know it was explained to you the possibilities of an inaccurate 60' timing, that there are stock internal cars pulling 1.37's-1.39's which is close enough to be the same. Your car moves out, but it isnt the cam giving you that great 60'.... your car never see's the rpm range pred Z claims to be "so much better" then a non rs cam, and if it does, its for what, 400, 800, 1200 rpm? Hardly enough to give the cam the credit. And just for shits and giggles, my car would go 1.62 consistantly at e town, 1.61 occasionally, but at cecil or atco it went low 1.5's.... Just saying its hard to pin point exactly what moves you when you have a suspension similar to everyone else as you say, but track prep, and luck also have alot to do with it.

But that is the thing, when someone is set in his thoughts and is unnable to think outside the box, all he does is follow mainstream.
Explain why in all that list of F-body cam only, Chris's car has the SMALLEST cam?
Take Sudderin car on this site and Hardcore, strong setup but bigger cam
236*-240*-.630"-.610" 111 LSA- and he backhalfs 27.07 mph
Chris's car backhalfed 25.27 and 24.48 mph (best ET).
So factor 27.07 - 25.27 = 1.8 mph or in best run 2.59 mph difference.
Range being 1.8>2.5 mph less with a much smaller cam 232/230 111 LSA and a A4 at that.
So where is the extreme deficiency on the backhalf? I will agree that RS splits will run less mph on backhalf, but not that much (if equal size cam). You are talking 1>2 mph max.

Now ask yourself, is 2 mph enough to reel in a car that just blew your doors of in the 1/8? Is that going to make up for the distance difference between the cars? You'll be very surprised by the results :nod:

And I tell you from experience, put Chris's combo in heads up situation where he cuts good RTs along with that 60' and 1/8th, it will take a hell of a lot more Hp than him to reel him before the finish line, and I mean a lot.

The whole Hardcore issue started by a thread from Bret " Why Reverse split cams do not work" directly pointing at me for specing some Reverse Split grinds. Clearly the results prove that is not the case, and if one cannot see that, it only means you are unnable to come out for air and are cooped up inside "in box" thinking.

Bottom line is El Toro is still the SMALLEST cam on that list, it is a Reverse Split and it is a darn good contender amongst giants.
Kinda like the F-Body's version of David Vs Goliath :)

As far as being :swing:, well results separate loosers from winners and I do not mind swingging my nuts all the way to the winner circle :D

But that is the thing, when someone is set in his thoughts and is unnable to think outside the box, all he does is follow mainstream.
Explain why in all that list of F-body cam only, Chris's car has the SMALLEST cam?
Take Sudderin car on this site and Hardcore, strong setup but bigger cam
236*-240*-.630"-.610" 111 LSA- and he backhalfs 27.07 mph
Chris's car backhalfed 25.27 and 24.48 mph (best ET).
So factor 27.07 - 25.27 = 1.8 mph or in best run 2.59 mph difference.
Range being 1.8>2.5 mph less with a much smaller cam 232/230 111 LSA and a A4 at that.
So where is the extreme deficiency on the backhalf? I will agree that RS splits will run less mph on backhalf, but not that much (if equal size cam). You are talking 1>2 mph max.

Now ask yourself, is 2 mph enough to reel in a car that just blew your doors of in the 1/8? Is that going to make up for the distance difference between the cars? You'll be very surprised by the results :nod:

And I tell you from experience, put Chris's combo in heads up situation where he cuts good RTs along with that 60' and 1/8th, it will take a hell of a lot more Hp than him to reel him before the finish line, and I mean a lot.

The whole Hardcore issue started by a thread from Bret " Why Reverse split cams do not work" directly pointing at me for specing some Reverse Split grinds. Clearly the results prove that is not the case, and if one cannot see that, it only means you are unnable to come out for air and are cooped up inside "in box" thinking.

Bottom line is El Toro is still the SMALLEST cam on that list, it is a Reverse Split and it is a darn good contender amongst giants.
Kinda like the F-Body's version of David Vs Goliath :)

As far as being :swing:, well results separate loosers from winners and I do not mind swingging my nuts all the way to the winner circle :D

Trust me no one knows better about trying to run chris down then me lol. It sucks when some one can put 2 to 3 cars on you and hold it there hahaha just saying.

Rob

You calling me a doubter? If so then you're a fucking idiot. His car runs good and I always look to his to compare what I'm doing.

As far as it being gutted junk, I'm just picking at him. Which no seats sounds pretty gutted. Ok, he might have had some amps in to get past a suspension problem but he wasn't setting records like that either.

So you dreamers and nut huggers need to quit typing and start learning how its done. That way you can argue with your own car and not brag on someone else achievements. :eyes:

wow.......who pissed in your pussy??????

just stating what i know.thats it...

have you ever met chris & elmer or seen there cars?????

didnt think so .but you call it gutted junk....go reread your post.then you dont know what gutted is raceboy.....

and this is not about my car,i did not start the thread......
i have been beaten by chris & beaten chris....so that is here nor there .....

Who are you talking to :confused:

Not one person here (in this thread) has called bs.

i am not a member of the other site but i read all the shyt slinging over there & thought i seen a few of the same people here.......

i have seen & ran the car a few times & its legit,i was pulling 1.48 60" full weight when we raced a couple times & he always out 60"........:emb:

We are not pissed at anyone here,Its all the non believers over at Hardcore site.If any of you guys have never been there ,your not missing anything at all ,except a non stop pissing match from anyone that post there.Pred is right on about trying to catch someone on the big end.If your car is making 2 mph more than my car, and i can put 1 car length on you by the 660,you will never pass me up in 4 seconds.It only takes 4 seconds for Chris car to run the second half.

Heymoej,too bad you were not at the last Chaos.There were a lot of 8-9 second cars there.The track was the best i have ever seen it.It was right on par with RT66 when they are having a national event.Chris car stood the front end up a good 18-20 inches,and i walked off his wheelstand to 35 ft. Artactiongraphics has all the pics from the day,it did not get his car at its peak hight.A hair before and after.

I agree, not everyone wants to turn there car into a gutted piece of junk.

i hope you are joking on this comment, like i think you are cause if we put both our cars in a car show i know i wouldnt be getting second place...:D, and junk haha too bad we dont live closer...:drive:

Chris, if you said cam only i apologize i didnt hear you.No dout you and your dad are doing things right, i just dont have the time to pull my interior to lighten up the car. Im all for light weight, i wish my buddy Mike would do just some of the minimums he's runnin 11.0's at 3900lbs. I cant complain tho 11.2 on a 128k shortblock at 3700 lbs is not to bad. maybe next year ill get ambiitious and pull some seats and any thing else and see what it will do. Shoot me an email next time your going out maybe ill try and get out.

sounds good bud i will, we are actually hitting up byron on sunday, might be a little haul for you though

good luck sunday chris. how long do you have local tracks open?


haha, I was brought up by PredZ :secret2:

we will be at byron from 10 to like 6 or 7 when ever it gets dark> i need to get my ass lower on the list seeing i missed out on the track this sunday and all. looking to get close to you and chris i took alot of weight off the car so we will see haha

Rob

oh and most tracks around here by us dont close till first snow fall

good luck sunday chris. how long do you have local tracks open?


haha, I was brought up by PredZ :secret2:

haha cause you have one bad ass cam only m6...

tracks are open sometimes till November but we will not get any better air than what he had when i went 10.61...that is a once a year day around here...oh well i could have taken alot more weight out but got lazy as usual...

you should tape up your front end for aero, it cant hurt anything...i am going to have to live though you now with those amazing DA's coming your way..

You think that cardboard and tape on the front will help you win a car show?

You think that cardboard and tape on the front will help you win a car show?

duh. that stuff adds at least 23 whp!

You think that cardboard and tape on the front will help you win a car show?

you better look at that picture again...:D

so you have bolts ons? then it wouldnt be cam only...would it?

I think our buick club had the last race of the year at byron last week. Been there a couple times. Not sure i can make it sunday but maybe 41 one more time. My buddy had a spare rocker shaft and his is running again and wants to go out. Let me know how it runs..

so you have bolts ons? then it wouldnt be cam only...would it?

yes, no it wouldnt:newbie:

yes, no it wouldnt:newbie:

Cam only:

cam
  /kæm/ [kam], verb, cammed, cam⋅ming.

–noun
1. Machinery. a disk or cylinder having an irregular form such that its motion, usually rotary, gives to a part or parts in contact with it a specific rocking or reciprocating motion.
2. Automotive Slang. camshaft.

on⋅ly
  /ˈoʊnli/ [ohn-lee]

–adverb
1. without others or anything further; alone; solely; exclusively: This information is for your eyes only.
2. no more than; merely; just: If it were only true! I cook only on weekends.




Bolt ons shouldn't be allowed on the cam only list.

:D, then neither should springs, pushrods, different than stock timing chain.

let me know when you get in the 10s:eyes:

Ok, hows that? sig...

yes, no it wouldnt:newbie:

then why do you have it listed as cam only in your sig

:D, then neither should springs, pushrods, different than stock timing chain.

you are correct.

Because that is what is generaly agreed and understood amongst LS community, Cam only is cam, matching springs, pushrods and new timing chain if necessary + tune + any other external bolt on.
Bottom line stock shortblock, stock gasket and unmolested heads.

then why do you have it listed as cam only in your sig

Because cam only doesn't mean "only a cam" it means stock cubes, stock heads, and naturally aspirated. If you wanted to argue this then you should have started about 10 years ago when the "cam only" term was coined. Hate the game not the playa..


Edit: The official list states it as such, "All times must be on stock heads, crank, rods and pistons." and since we are racers, we all go by the fact that if its not explicitly stated, its legal, thus all bolt-ons and drivetrain upgrades are allowed. If your not doing what they say not to do then your within the parameters. The end.

Cam only:

cam
  /kæm/ [kam], verb, cammed, cam⋅ming.

–noun
1. Machinery. a disk or cylinder having an irregular form such that its motion, usually rotary, gives to a part or parts in contact with it a specific rocking or reciprocating motion.
2. Automotive Slang. camshaft.

on⋅ly
  /ˈoʊnli/ [ohn-lee]

–adverb
1. without others or anything further; alone; solely; exclusively: This information is for your eyes only.
2. no more than; merely; just: If it were only true! I cook only on weekends.




Bolt ons shouldn't be allowed on the cam only list.

some people just never catch on :bang:

Ok, hows that? sig...

ha nice...

something is definitely up with your car...you pull 1mph higher than me and run a 10.95 with a 1.42...

ha nice...

something is definitely up with your car...you pull 1mph higher than me and run a 10.95 with a 1.42...

Yep, cant get it into gear fast. Have to wait for the nose to drop to get the car in gear, or it just hits the limiter, considering that it went pretty good... Had 3 1.42's, couple .43's, .44's and .45s

( I wasnt being a dick, I just thought it was funny) Good luck w/ your setup.

i couldnt even drive 10 years ago. not my fault you guys are old. :engarde::chug:

Because cam only doesn't mean "only a cam" it means stock cubes, stock heads, and naturally aspirated. If you wanted to argue this then you should have started about 10 years ago when the "cam only" term was coined. Hate the game not the playa..


Edit: The official list states it as such, "All times must be on stock heads, crank, rods and pistons." and since we are racers, we all go by the fact that if its not explicitly stated, its legal, thus all bolt-ons and drivetrain upgrades are allowed. If your not doing what they say not to do then your within the parameters. The end.

i couldnt even drive 10 years ago. not my fault you guys are old. :engarde::chug:

I'm 21, and I can still understand... Just sayin..

you are correct.

Wow....

what?

im not saying anyone is breaking any rules. thats why im asking these questions. because i dont know

and whats wrong with having the opinion of "i think cam only should literally mean, cam only"

Its not like im ragging on the guy or calling him out. Or anyone else.

I forgot. the internet is serious business where the only opinions that matter are the ones that are your own

what?

im not saying anyone is breaking any rules. thats why im asking these questions. because i dont know

and whats wrong with having the opinion of "i think cam only should literally mean, cam only"

Its not like im ragging on the guy or calling him out. Or anyone else.

I forgot. the internet is serious business where the only opinions that matter are the ones that are your own

The point is you're arguing with something that was decided and accepted a long, LONG time ago. Just accept it and move on.

im not arguing with anyone. im not saying anyone is incorrect. im getting clarification of something i obviously dont know.

some people even say putting non dot tires on shouldnt be allowed in comparisons.

its everyone else getting their panties in a bunch because someone is asking questions they dont like to hear.

Yep, cant get it into gear fast. Have to wait for the nose to drop to get the car in gear, or it just hits the limiter, considering that it went pretty good... Had 3 1.42's, couple .43's, .44's and .45s

( I wasnt being a dick, I just thought it was funny) Good luck w/ your setup.

yeah i wasnt either was just looking at the numbers kind of confused...good luck it should rip after you get the shifting down

I'm a little late to say so but, CONGRATS! Larry has mentioned your car a few times, and hopefully this Sunday I'll see it in action. :chug: