GM Performance Parts LSX Shootout - NMCA and the LSX Shootout opinions wanted in here

Guys and gals, contrary to some of your beliefs we are listening and do realize this event should have been a much better experience for all of you. Rather than have numerous threads is there a way we can get all your criticism, ideas for next year, etc. located in this thread?

We've already started discussions on next year: stand alone, brackets, etc; however we would like to hear from you.

I know some have said they got the impression we didn't care that the LS community was there, I doubt those that were at the party would agree. We put more time, energy and resources into this one event than all of our others. That said, we had tough weather and made some mistakes. Hopefully we'll be able to gather some constructive criticism out of you all and make 2010 the best.

Thank you to all that came out!

Aaron

The party was awesome... thanks again :)

I can't comment too much on what needs changed during the actual event as this was the first time down there for me, and I only spectated... but for those of us there for the LSX cars Saturday was one boring day. Atleast we got to look at the True Street guys for 6 hours in front of us..

We will be back next year, Not sure if I will be spectating or racing... I would have been livid if held hostage like the True Street drivers were this year... I guess what happens between now and then will determine that.

I just posted this on another thread and copied it rather than re-typing it, so sorry if you've read it .

It seams that Memphis is a good location that requires most to to drive several hours from each direction, so moving it would cause some not to come. The track and the prep the NMCA does is excellent and probably wouldn't be as good if the event was a stand alone.
A suggestion would be to do like the US Nationals and run a round or 2 of eleminations on Saturday for the Bracket and Index classes in NMCA and LSX with the Finals on Sunday. Maybe do the true street cruise and 3 passes on Saturday, Then the 3 passes would be qualification for the Index classes if someone wants to run both.
Every year I watch as the spectators leave (and maybe not return) because the organizers want all the finals to be at the same time( 4 am monday). The spectators are GONE by semi and finals. I guarantee you they paid the extra $$ to see the fast cars they don't normally see locally. So run all the fast NMCA classes eleminations first Sunday, followed by the heads up LSX cars and while allowing 90 minutes between rounds for them run 2nd (or 3rd depending on how many rounds on Saturday) round of NMCA, LSX bracket and index classes. Have a rigid cut off at the 90 minutes (run out current bracket class) and bring out 2nd round of NMCA and LSX heads up. That way the finals of the "PRO" classes would be around 7 pm before the spectators leave. Wrap up the remaining bracket and index classes after that and hopefully it works out to their finals also by narrowing the field on Saturday.
I think it's good for the LS and NMCA group to meet and watch each other race. Maybe more LS powered cars will compete regularly in the NMCA throughout the year and NMCA drivers and fans can see the potential of the LS cars to grow the sport. If you want to grow you need spectators to pay the purses to increase participants to sell more cars and parts to keep and increase sponsors to increase the purses so more participate..... Thanks to GM, NMCA and the sponsors for the event.

I had a blast this year and last year. To me the only thing that sucked was the wait in between rounds from cars breaking but that happens at every race. It just made it worse that there were so many cars in every class and everything just keep getting pushed back. Even if it felt like forever(always does when your ready to race) I'd like to thank the crew at MMP for a great job at cleaning up the track and keeping it hooking great all weekend.

need to move to north or south carolina so some of the other guys can participate and give the crowd some new cars to see! and lets have an all lsx shootout not bracket carsand jr. dragsters and all other bs.

I don't see how North or South Carolina is Central like Memphis is... Perhaps people need to man up and drive like the rest of us? lol

1) Drop the bracket program
2) Lift the rules on the Outlaw DR class, and only rules be:
a) gm bodied
b) Ls powered
c) 315/60 DR


3) create a limited class for 275 racers.
a) Turbos under single 88mm or "small" twins
b) no more than one kit of nitrous.
c) Turbo weight at 3300, nitrous at 3100


4) Make True Street a legit "true street".....30 mile cruise, pull back in the pits, and 3 back to back passes.


5) Finish the LS stuff by 3pm Sunday. The majority of LS racers/fans don't do this for a living, and that means they need to be out of the track by Sunday afternoon.


6) No real suggestion, just wanted to say I loved watching the doorslammer NMCA stuff!!! Those cars are insane! Even with the nitrous backfires and oildowns, it's something to see/watch those cars and teams do what they do with a doorslammer.


7) Don't change N/a, that class seems to be about right this year, although I would like to see the outlawed twin TB lifted. Why limit these guys power wise?! Wouldn't you rather see the 1000rwhp SAM car or Honeycutt's twin TB package he brought last year duke it out than a cfm limited version?!


That's my thoughts

I'm biased, as I'm right where probably a lot of cars/guys sit: We've been in the community for years. While I can't financially support building a 7second LS car, I can feasibly build a high 8/low 9 second car. There are alot of cars in the 9.0-10.0 range, and trust me, spectators of the LS cars LOVE to watch these cars run. Some time in the stands of the true street cars this year would show you this to be true! Giving this sector of cars/guys a place to compete while not being completely ran over gives us a chance to race and learn how to push the envelope. Who knows, maybe these same cars eventually are turned into 7second heavy-hitters we watch in the future?? cough cough...fireball and blownta....

Then again, if you FINALLY open the flood gates on the Outlaw DR...wouldn't you like to see the first LS pass in a stock suspension car at YOUR event?!?! I'd hate to be the company that received all the publicity from that, haha.

Tim Akers
Tatershack Performance
1999 Trans Am/275DR turbo car

Might be interesting to have more than one event per year, that way they could run with the NMCA when it's not the biggest event of the year for them. Also would be nice to remove some of the rules that make it more expensive to run like the tire rule in drag radial.

Kurt

Ive posted in a couple of other threads, so I dont mean to come off sounding like a broken record..

First off, the weekend started off with a bang. The LSX pre-party was a HUGE success, and awesome time for everyone. I really dont think things could have been ran any better. Everyone seemed to have an absolute blast!

At the track, things started off well but slowly started falling behind schedule. I understand wrecks, and oil-downs are uncontrollable variables, so there really isn't anything we can do about those situations. On Saturday, I feel like the True Street guys should have ultimate priority. Send the guys on their cruise, and have a designated leader. Have signs pointing the guys where to go, so they dont get separated from the pack. Once they're back from the cruise, send them down the track. Don't make them sit in front of the stands for hours upon hours, especially when its so freaking cold outside. The NMCA is all about heads-up, wheel standing, quarter mile, door slammer drag racing! I'm sorry, but I didn't make the trip to watch Junior Dragsters and dirty old bracket cars! I want to see Mike Murrillo carry the front tires through the eighth, not watch a couple of under-powered, over sized tire cars duke it out in a 700 car bracket battle royal.

I dont know if the funding is available at this time for the LSX community to have an event of this scale, all on their own. I would love to see it happen, but I just dont know if its feasible. Maybe an LSX VS Modular Shootout. Although the Ford boys probabaly wouldn't show, because who wants to drive all that way to get their shit pushed in! LOL

Memphis is a rocking location. It works, and people show. If its the NMCA World Finals and LSX Shootout next year, Memphis is the place to have it. Dont make it on Shakedown weekend.

We need one more heads up LSX Class..

OUTLAW Drag Radial..
Unrestricted Single Power Adder (Possibly Unlimited?)
315/60 Radial
Stock Style Suspension... Similar rules to 2009 Drag Radial.

Outlaw Street
275 Radial or 28x10.5 Slick
Unrestricted Single Power Adder
Stock Style Suspension.. Similar Rules to 2009 Radial.

All Motor
Possibly open up the rules a little, and see what these cars can do?

tim99ws6 makes a great point and couldn't agree with him more. The party on Thursday was a great time and was very nicely done. We (The Ohio Boys) race pretty often through out the year and are used to being at the track for long periods of time. However the downtime in between rounds was way too long. I know there is nothing you can do about the oil downs or wrecks, but to sit a the track for 13 hours and only make one pass makes for a long day.

From a spectator point of view, I know there were a lot of fans that came just for the LSX race. They hardly got to see any of the LSX stuff, especially Sunday. I can't tell you how many people came up to us and asked us when we were going to run, but didn't know what to tell them as we were told on Sunday that we should be up by 1:30, and it was 4 and still hadn't gone up yet. Most of the eliminations took place after a majority of the fans left.

Other than that, I had a great time and just impressed with the popularity of the LSX community.

Ive said this before and have heard it from alot of ppl. LSx/LTx Event.

Index is great an all but we really need some more heads up racing.
Class list should look like this
OUTLAW (ANYthing goes, on a DR)
275 "outlaw" n2o/turbo class, max 88mm turbo target the rules for a 8.50-9.0 LSx/LTx
H/C All motor LSx (outlaw style no limits)
H/C All motor LTx (outlaw style no limits)
H/C Stock bottom end LSx (class designed for stock cubed LS1, LS2, LS3 cars)
H/C Stock bottom end LTx
Cam Only LSx
Cam Only LTx
Bolt on LSx
Bolt on LTx
True street. (Same format and rules currently in place)
Index 9.0,9.50,10.0 etc...

Again, thanks for to the NMCA and their hardworking staff for making the event happen. Here are my thoughts...

Comments by class--->

Drag Radial: Time to go to a 315, remove some of the "street car" rules. Last year you guys finished up the race around 9pm. This year the first round on your schedule was supposed to go at 1:30PM. Instead it was run at 4:50PM. Not acceptable. I know the track had crashes and oildowns, but I've been to the event three years in a row as well as other NMCA events, and those delays were not outside the norm. You guys are treating the LSX event like 3-4 classes in your long list of classes to run, though it's billed as a big deal. But the execution was the opposite and the LSX heads up stuff was treated like #10 and #11 on a list of 11 things to do. Even the heads up guys told me they feel that way even though they were among the few cars there that were running over 190 MPH. I'm not trying to be harsh, but you can't run the NMCA event, and then start the LSX event after 4pm. Like others have said, run a round before lunch. You are undermining the momentum you build all year by getting folks to want to come out, and then there is no racing to watch. Run first round elims at 11am, 2nd at 3pm, and 3rd at etc. LSx'ers are not NMCA's. 70% of the spectators leave by 6pm on Sunday. Throw them a bone, they are weekend warriors not folks who run series, most of the spectators have bolton cars.


All Motor: I've said this before, this class will never have more than 4-6 cars when the two fastest guys run $40-50K engines. Top two qualifiers ran 8.5 - 8.6, and the other two guys made a valiant effort but they both ran 9.3-9.4. This class should allow limited adder cars to get the car count up. Otherwise it's an exhibition class. I have nothing against Jud or Joe I've been friends with them for years, but I'd like to see more cars.

Index: Maybe it's time to make it 11.00 and quicker.

The 28x10.5 tire nitrous friendly class that has never happened. The jury is still out on this one, NMCA was sorta talking 9.0-ish, and the nitrous guys were talking low/mid 8's. Not sure where that would go but a 8.0 - 8.5 nitrous friendly class, that allowed a max of a true 88mm turbo, Vortech YSi, and equivalent ProCharger is what I would do. Maybe the best thing is to put all-motor and this together.

2010 Camaro Challenge: It was cool, decent turnout. Keep doing it. Only complaint was that you guys were lax on roll bars and 5 shops told me in person that they would have brought a car had they known they could run in a the 10's with no roll bar.

True Street: That's two years in a row that folks drove crazy and it was not chaperoned. You guys need a lead and end vehicle because last year folks were going 90mph. I know because I was driving next to them so Tony could take pictures. Last year you guys ran the cars with about 15-30 minutes in between, I was in there too. It was fine. This year it was a debacle. Those guys sat out there for 5-6 hours.
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Overall. Love the scene, and I know all of the folks. I go to hang out and see some good racing. I suggest next year that have me and 3-4 folks be aware of the schedule you want to run, and let us make some suggestions. It only took like 15 minutes to run first round elims, so my suggestion is make sure you run a round in the morning. When I got to track on Sunday I talked to Derek and he said that first round was going at 1:30. I wasn't excited about that since I was then going to sit through 4 hours of other stuff going down the track. When 3pm hit I was like wow, the LSX guys are getting the short stick. If you wanted I would have been happy to run up to the tower and point out that 40 folks came up to me and were like what's going on. Heck I know you guys are going to run a bunch of stuff all weekend so I'm not going to tell you to ditch the jr's and local bracket stuff, but you clearly could have run LSX heads up before that giant pile of brackets you ran after lunch. In fact run round 1 and 2 close to each other, and then third and beyond later.

As has been previously stated the LSX Shootout needs to be a stand alone event. This is our communities big yearly event and should be treated as such and not as a second class citizen to the NMCA event.

Comments posted about the LSX shootout posted on these threads as well. I'm sure they will all join in as the week goes by.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1193917-where-lsx-stuff.html

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1194139-observation-lsx-shootout.html

We need our own race.

Add a limited 275 class.

Well, after talking to some of the guys, and waiting in between rounds I can only suggest a couple of things:

1. Could we get some kind of txt notification for when we get called up
- When we tech-in or register, you can ask us (check box on reg form) if we want a txt notification for when our class is called up.
I know there was alot of people that missed the 1st round of qualifying, because we couldnt hear the announcement. There are many companies that offer this service and its pretty cheap. Its just hard to hear sometimes who is called up and when.

2. Round time/time trials
- adding to the comment above. I know for a fact that we were in lanes 4 and 5 on friday (time trials) and watched lanes 1 and 2 just blow by everyone else. I saw some cars go twice while we sat for 2 hours (1pm to 3pm) waiting to get 1 run in. On saturday we made a hit a 9am and didnt get to make another pass until 9:20pm. Waiting 12hrs just to make a hit is excruciating, and the environment changes alot between that time. Honestly, I dont know what can be done about this other than letting us run with the NMCA guys instead of breaking us up.

3. Parking
- if we are going to be parking in the yard, then let us know ahead of time. I know I would have brought different equipment if i knew we were going to park in the mud. Maybe it was mentioned in another post, but I may have missed it.

I dont want to sound like I am complaining, because we had a great time, but I just wanted to see if an opinion can help.

As a fan, attending for the first time, i was thoroughly disappointed. I will most likely not return next year. We stayed at the track the majority of both days, and saw a couple LS cars in time trials, and 1 round of LSX eliminations. The 10.5 W, and pro-mod cars kept me in the stands. but as far as the bracket racers, i can drive 20 minutes to the local track and see bracket racers... i drove the 12 hours to see LSX cars. Like previously mentioned, i too dont follow the NMCA circuit, and cant stay at the track for days, so not having the LSX cars during the midday was an incredible let down. It surely hope that the schedule wasnt intended to get the fans there early, and hold us there until nightfall. Cause it surely felt like it.

The promotion was great. Likewise with the vendor area, and car show. I enjoyed seeing the top LSX cars up close, and racing. The scheduling was horrendous. But all-in-all for me it was a waste of a trip, and i probably will never return.

Well, after talking to some of the guys, and waiting in between rounds I can only suggest a couple of things:

1. Could we get some kind of txt notification for when we get called up
- When we tech-in or register, you can ask us (check box on reg form) if we want a txt notification for when our class is called up.
I know there was alot of people that missed the 1st round of qualifying, because we couldnt hear the announcement. There are many companies that offer this service and its pretty cheap. Its just hard to hear sometimes who is called up and when.


3. Parking
- if we are going to be parking in the yard, then let us know ahead of time. I know I would have brought different equipment if i knew we were going to park in the mud. Maybe it was mentioned in another post, but I may have missed it.


That is a great idea, shouldn't be too hard to implement.

The parking situation does suck.

...I will most likely not return next year...But all-in-all for me it was a waste of a trip, and i probably will never return.

Don't say that man. Give these guys a chance to get it all sorted out! Have a little faith. They have a year to get it all sorted out. I am sure there are some big changes in the making.


Soulless-->The text message is an incredible idea! Why isn't this implemented already in the NMCA?! seems so simple in this day and age. Great idea!

The text idea is great. We need to look into that.

Everyone, keep the suggestions coming. We are listening.

In the meantime I'll give my opinion (nothing official) on two things.

Stand alone: Mistake. It would be difficult to get a premiere facility, date and draw in enough participants/fans to make it profitable. Besides, isn't part of the point to showcase the LS potential to non-LS people? How do you draw in a bunch of trad engine guys to a LS community when it's LS specific? I believe GMPP is trying to showcase the LS platform and sell motors...how can you do that to a bunch of people that already own or are aware? IMO the NMCA is the ideal place to accomplish this.

Brackets: Ughh...I would love to be able to convince the "powers that be" that we shouldn't run them (and will do my best to convince them of so). That said, I do think we could still have the normal 3 tier bracket program as long as we have decent weather, it's not a points deal, AND no jr's.

Just my humble opinion.

Don't say that man. Give these guys a chance to get it all sorted out! Have a little faith. They have a year to get it all sorted out. I am sure there are some big changes in the making.


Soulless-->The text message is an incredible idea! Why isn't this implemented already in the NMCA?! seems so simple in this day and age. Great idea!


Well, lets put it this way. If they want I can build the database get with a cheap txt paging service and voila! you have txt notification. Mass txt for everyone LOL. We put our phone numbers on the tech card when we get there. It could also be used to communicate schedules or time changes. I think it would be a great idea to keep up with the daily events. There is potential there for sponsors too, "IF" we wanted, but personally I hate txt spam.

Don't say that man. Give these guys a chance to get it all sorted out! Have a little faith. They have a year to get it all sorted out. I am sure there are some big changes in the making.


Soulless-->The text message is an incredible idea! Why isn't this implemented already in the NMCA?! seems so simple in this day and age. Great idea!


Thank you, we are trying.

As far as the text, yeah that's def. worth looking into. There is the FM radio (in this case 100.3) but it seems that not everyone had a radio.?.

Brackets: Ughh...I would love to be able to convince the "powers that be" that we shouldn't run them (and will do my best to convince them of so). That said, I do think we could still have the normal 3 tier bracket program as long as we have decent weather, it's not a points deal, AND no jr's.

Just my humble opinion.


Scott,

If you got to keep the bracket guys(cash crop i know), at least put a reasonable limit on the stuff. Say 125 cars, and no buy backs. This is the finals here, we don't have time or room for that non-sense.

As a fan, attending for the first time, i was thoroughly disappointed. I will most likely not return next year. We stayed at the track the majority of both days, and saw a couple LS cars in time trials, and 1 round of LSX eliminations. The 10.5 W, and pro-mod cars kept me in the stands. but as far as the bracket racers, i can drive 20 minutes to the local track and see bracket racers... i drove the 12 hours to see LSX cars. Like previously mentioned, i too dont follow the NMCA circuit, and cant stay at the track for days, so not having the LSX cars during the midday was an incredible let down. It surely hope that the schedule wasnt intended to get the fans there early, and hold us there until nightfall. Cause it surely felt like it.

The promotion was great. Likewise with the vendor area, and car show. I enjoyed seeing the top LSX cars up close, and racing. The scheduling was horrendous. But all-in-all for me it was a waste of a trip, and i probably will never return.

This is EXACTLY what I don't want to see. We built this event to showcase the baddest of the bad in the LS community. Trust me when I say we will work to eliminate the problems that you had at the event. Give us another chance.
If they make the changes I will personally buy your tickets for next years event.

The spectators such as you are more important at this event than people realize. Thanks for your opinion.

Robin

The radio is OK. We had ours at the trailer full blast on 100.3 and we still had trouble hearing the rounds. When people are firing up their cars or driving by or working on their rides its tuff to hear. On top of that I know we were not always by the radio. Its tuff to keep tied down to the trailer/radio when you have to wait 12hrs between runs.

Thank you, we are trying.

As far as the text, yeah that's def. worth looking into. There is the FM radio (in this case 100.3) but it seems that not everyone had a radio.?.


I know at one point we parked in the same field as the true street/index car guys to warm up, and the 100.3 was Intermittent at best on reception. Remember when you park those guys that far out a) they are not always around their cars, and b) reception is going to lack.


Half the fun of being there is walking the pits where the big boys park. But you park them seperate from the rest, so the guys don't hear the calls to the staging lanes.

Scott,

If you got to keep the bracket guys(cash crop i know), at least put a reasonable limit on the stuff. Say 125 cars, and no buy backs. This is the finals here, we don't have time or room for that non-sense.

I'm Aaron...Scott is the goofy looking guy!:D

Agreed, but as I mentioned we (Scott, myself and a few others) need to convince some of the higher ups the needed changes.

OK first I want to say that I am grateful for the efforts of the NMCA as well as Memphis Motorsports Park. Never once did I hear about anyone having their name badge yanked from their neck. Seriously it takes a huge effort to stage and produce this event.

My thoughts and comments are/were a direct reflection of what I was hearing in the pits. As I am sponsored by GM Performance Parts some would like to construe my comments as GM Performance Parts official position. The guys at GMPP are registered here and if the need be will post their feelings.

I have had a conversation with one of my friends from the NMCA. I certainly expressed a bit more in that conversation than I can post here. My friend made some valid points and several observations that I need to express.

First at the beginning of the year we were dealing with a sagging economy as well as soft sponsor commitments. Given the gloomy outlook it was prudent to plan for some decrease in attendance or spectators at events. Many businesses have reduced their goals and budgets based on the turndown in the economy. If you read Scott’s posts you can see that the event hasn’t shrunk.

Next is the weather. If you can control the weather then you would not be reading this post for sure. It’s impossible to predict what the weather will do. With the colder weather came conditions that wreaked havoc on tune ups as well as traction. Cars made more power than they have ever seen and many personal bests were achieved this weekend. That also resulted in a lot of missed tunes and the breakage.

Given the fact that the car counts were more not less and the weather was killing the cars things got way behind. I mean how many times have you seen bracket cars crash? And on an 1/8 mile race?

Since my earlier posts I have been told that next year the NMCA finals will NOT be run with the Memphis Motorsport Park Bracket Finals. Of course that is not mean that the NMCA would not run a limited bracket program.

I suggested the Nitrous class also.

At this point we need to move forward and address the problems from this years event. My experience tells me that the guys and gals at the Pro Media/ NMCA will make the changes needed to insure a successful event next year.


Robin

I have to agree with PSJ. The true street cruise was great the first year because of the escort. It was nice to run through town at a casual rate. Last year some of us got maps of the route. This year we didnt get that. Fast cars in a local town with no escort is a very bad idea. If you dont know where you are going you tend to follow the car in front of you. At one point in the cruise we had probably 30 cars in a cleaner parking lot waiting to find out where to go.

I also think the text notification is a good idea. I missed qualifications on saturday because of the time it took to run through true street. When we got done with our three passes the LSX tent was gone and I had no idea where the awards meeting was. Figured it was being done on sunday. Sunday started out ok. We were in the lanes at 9:15ish. Then we didn't run again till 5 or 6. I went up to the tent to check the status quite often. Derrek did a great job of keeping me in the loop though.

I look forward to this event every year. Its really the "main" event for me all season. I put a lot of time and effort into making sure the car is ready to perform. I definitely will go again, but I think the schedule was a bit messed up.

Thanks again for the event. It has to be hard to put something like this together.

-Mike Mester

Also pre-registration would be good. Then you could pre-order your jacket!

First and foremost I would like the thank the people that made this event possible for us. I saw a lot of NMCA guys, like Derek who teched us in, working from the time we got there until after we left. We really appreciate your dedication to making this event happen. I am so happy that you guys keep giving us LS powered drivers a place to come together and race. We also felt really welcomed, every staff member we talked to thanked us for coming participate.

The Early bird party totally rocked. The food and staff were excellent and ya'll had a ton of really great prizes. Even though we didn't win anything this year (LOL) we still had a great time. Thanks for doing that for us!

There were A LOT of uncontrollable events that happened Saturday and Sunday to really blow the schedule out of whack but that's racing. The LSX Shootout is still a baby, and with some tweaks here and there and THE CONTINUED SUPPORT of the LSX drivers/fans it will hopefully become one of the greatest events of the year. So I'm asking everyone who came who didn't have a great experience to come back next year. My husband and I have supported this event since it started 3 years ago, and we plan to continue to do so. Without everyone's support and participation this event will cease to exist. And remember guys this is the only event of its kind for us out there right now, if we stop supporting this event it will die out and we may not receive another opportunity to get another started.

I personally had a good time this year, even though I was cold, 8 months pregnant AND my husband lost out first round eliminations. I know if I was able to enjoy myself ya'll should too! I already miss all our new and old friends from the event! And the turnout of LSX cars this year was just amazing! See you guys next year!

Derek does a great job for sure. Again, think about having a non-NMCA person or two to stand up for the LSX community who can point out IN THE MOMENT that something is going down that does not make sense. I know that Scott, Aaron and Derek are doing their jobs, and you guys kick ass, but you need someone who is outside of the organization who speak up for the shootout when the schedule starts getting screwed up. Sure there will be delays, but there need to be adjustments too. You can't tell me you couldn't have run a round of elims before that giant local bracket class that had everything from pickup trucks to rails.

Texting is a great idea Souless (you are madman's buddy with the red ss right)

I think we should make the index racers race the same cars in the index. So a 10.0 car should race a 10.0 car...ect....I have been to all three and did feel like this year we were kind of put to the side. I had fun none the less, I had to race my DD vette because my camaro lifted a head tuesday night before we left for memphis. Oh well.

Actually I am Madman's buddy in the Black SS (the big mexican, as he calls me LOL) The Red SS belongs to Gary (SLP02SS) and yes he is faster than me ;)

I was a spectator this year and was hoping to bring my car to the next one but me and my buddies left pretty dissappointed. Our whole point in going was to meet some of the folks that we see post here on the board on a regular basis and to see some of the nastiest LSX cars around. Although I did enjoy getting away from the local track and hanging out with my buds I didn't feel it was worth the 10hr drive. Most of the two days we were there we spent walking around the pits looking at the same stuff over and over because the schedules were all jacked up. We never really new when anything was going on and even when asking some of the guys that were participating in the racing they had no clue just like us.

Sunday was extremely dissapointing because that is when I expected to see the big boys make their passes put it was 4pm I think and still nobody knew when the LSX guys would get their turn. When you have to drive 10hrs to get back home for work on Monday you end up having to decide whether you are gonna stay and hope to see some racing or just pack it up and get on the road. We decided to hit the road and get an early start on the drive back home.

I feel like we were pretty much overlooked the whole time. It seemed like we were an after thought that was get the nmca cars in and then oh yeah we have that lsx stuff to run. There for 12 hours and we made one run. We had too many people to count come over and ask us when we were going to run again and when they found out how long it would be they would have to leave. I think its a good event but there needs to be some tweaks made to make it flow better and get it finished up in a more timely manner.

I had a problem with the true street class because whats the point of the 30 mile cruise and then sit there for hours thats not back to back passes.
Also some of the rules for drag radial need to be looked at. Like the side exit exhaust should be allowed and the 295s should be dropped because nobody runs them and it seems like they don't limit the times at all. I would like to see a limited class for the nitrous guys to run in. I think that could get a lot of cars interested in it. The nitrous cars we run in normal drag radial are all big blocks not small blocks. I also think that to run the tracks normal bracket race during a high profile event like this is not a good idea. There are way too many cars to have to try and run get that done.

P.S. The track was one of the best tracks I have seen and the crew did a great job of maintaining the track conditions through the tough weather and all of the break downs and so forth.

We need a couple of folks from our community to work with the NMCA guys to ensure that things run more smoothly next year. We need these folks to jump in front of the bus when the schedule get predictably gets delayed and fight for a better time slot.

I knew before lunch that first round elims were scheduled for 1:30 and were probably going to run at 2:30 - 2:45. If we had the opportunity to challenge running later it would have worked much much better.

Steve, I know you are reading this stuff, and you know that I just want stuff to go well. I'd like to help more formally. We don't want to do another race or two on our own it would be nice to iron out the issues and make year VI the best year ever. It can be done!

/the coach

As a fan, attending for the first time, i was thoroughly disappointed. I will most likely not return next year. We stayed at the track the majority of both days, and saw a couple LS cars in time trials, and 1 round of LSX eliminations. The 10.5 W, and pro-mod cars kept me in the stands. but as far as the bracket racers, i can drive 20 minutes to the local track and see bracket racers... i drove the 12 hours to see LSX cars. Like previously mentioned, i too dont follow the NMCA circuit, and cant stay at the track for days, so not having the LSX cars during the midday was an incredible let down. It surely hope that the schedule wasnt intended to get the fans there early, and hold us there until nightfall. Cause it surely felt like it.

The promotion was great. Likewise with the vendor area, and car show. I enjoyed seeing the top LSX cars up close, and racing. The scheduling was horrendous. But all-in-all for me it was a waste of a trip, and i probably will never return.

WTF You were there Brandon? Didn't see ya all weekend lol.

I would say next year should be awesome with the decision to drop Brackets from the program.

The Scheduling this year really turned a lot of people off it seems... I see why but I will give it another shot as I had a fucking blast in the City and hanging out with old and new friends.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, or cause disharmony. I just didnt have a good experience.

I apologize for being negative, but its how i feel. :confused:

Mix it with the LTXshootout and lets have a stand alone event just for LTX/LSX :)

Thanks for hosting the event guys, as a title sponsor for the ECS Corvette challenge at Englishtown, I know already that you will never please everybody. Fortunately for us we have our resident "Redgar" who does cart wheels trying to please everyone, but sometimes it's just futile.

I think the event will continue to grow each year, so that will have to be taken into consideration, I agree that the JR dragsters and bracket racing needs to go. Although great racing, not for this venue IMO, the event needs to be tightened up a bit to try and stop the massive delays.

I'm not going to lie and say I was pleased about parking in the mud...(I've never had to demudd my slicks before) but I do understand that the LSX guys often are not seasoned racers and it's easier to have everyone in one area to give out instructions etc. so again, tough to please everyone.

I think for the size of the event, you guys did a great job, and it's great to see that you are already working on improvements for next year.

:chug:


Oh, and thanks for the cash and engine block!! :devil:

2) Lift the rules on the Outlaw DR class, and only rules be:
a) gm bodied
b) Ls powered
c) 315/60 DR


If your scared just say so. :devil:

I might be different from a lot of guys on here but I love the idea of having the LSX Shootout ridding piggyback with the NMCA. The whole idea is to show the none LSX world just how good the LSX is. I also follow the NMCA all year (EVEN THOUGH MEMPHIS IS THE CLOSEST RACE TO ME!!!) I keep up with the NMCA and the nastiest LSX cars in the country so this is the perfect race for me.


I have driven 6 hr's one way and been to all three events, raced in the first one and watched the last two. First of all, anyone who races knows somethings just can't be controlled. The weather had all the badboys thrown off with their setups and that caused a ton of problems. I kinda felt like the LS guys were pushed aside but I also know that sometimes shit happens.

I'd like to see a couple of heads up classes set up for the entry level guys, guys that run 10.0's - 11.5's. Maybe have a 16 car field? This would be a huge class because this is what the majority of us can run.

Adjust the rules for the all motor and DR guys so it would draw in more racers.

I left really disappointed this year but I will be back next year and I hope I have a new heads up class that I can fit into!

You NMCA guys, I have a question for you. When will we get us an NMCA event somewhere near NW La. like maybe Dallas? You guys are miss out on a big part of the country! :)

The 30 mile true stret cruise was very upsetting.No Maps to go by.No traffic control at all.Many cars including myself turning around in the medium on thr INTERSTATE.We had no clue where we were.If only we were given a simple map to follow and maybe have someone every 5 miles checking off the cars as they drove by to make sure no one took a short cut back to the track.I have come down all 3 years and would like to come back but if their no major changes I wont.Thanks for letting me get on my soap box and letting it out.

Just watching on Saturday as already said was pretty disappointing.

Other than getting charged $35 for a one day car show and having the person riding with me charged $25 for one day spectator, even after asking if that was the correct price was a little upsetting. But still had a good time none-the-less

I'll write up the good and bad from the community standpoint and then give Steve a call/email on Thursday so we can discuss.

I really enjoyed attending this event last year and I had fun this year, but I went to see LSx cars race especially the drag radial and true street cars. I only got to see 2 drag radial cars run all weekend. A event dedicated to just LSx and LTx cars would be great! All of the same classes for LTx cars as there are for LSx cars. A LSx vs. LTx shootout would be cool to if they ever combined the two in one event. IMO this is still a great event but hopefully next year it will be more LSx based. Also the idea of having it in Bowling Green at Beech Bend would be EXCELLENT!!!

Let me start off by saying that I appreciate everything that is done for the LSX community, but was disappointed by how things were carried out this year. It seemed as if we were just set to the side (literally in parking) and were thrown in just whenever and that was usually at the end of the day/night. As previously stated I came down to watch the fast LSX guys and participate in the rumble and true street classes, not watch 9 million bracket cars make 1/8th mile passes. I kept finding my self bored this year, last year that was not the case.

As far as rule changes I think there should be an outlaw DR class. I know this sounds redneck but "run what ya brung, and hope ya brought enough." Lets see what these motors can really do without all the silly limitations. It doesnt make any sense for someone to run a twin 88mm setup all year and then have to go to a 67mm or 77mm which ever it is for a single event. If I had to do that there would be no way I would attend that event, I guess thats why some people didnt show up this year.

I know the nitrous guys need a class so take a look at how many people are in the high 8's and low 9's on nitrous, a ton of them!! Make a class that allows smaller turbos, nitrous cars, and a 275 DR.

Drop the GM bodied rule. Yea it's nice for all the cars to be GM bodied but there are some crazy fast cars out there with LSX swaps. And maybe invite the LTX guys, with all the ls people and all the lt people that would be a pretty big event. There would need to be a lot of discussion on the classes if this ever happened. Also it would be nice to have a few more heads up classes. something along the lines of a cam only class and a stock bottom end class.

I know it has been said that there wont be any bracket cars next year, and then it was a limited amount might be there, but if there is any I probably will not attend. That is not what this event is for. Those guys running bracket cars are set in their ways, small block chevy motors, stuff that they know about already and can tune theirselves. Half of those guys can probably barely turn a computer on, much less tune a car with hp tuners or efi live (no offense to those people btw). It just doesnt make sense to try and squeeze that much stuff into one weekend and have a bunch of people upset when it could be seperated and only have a couple people not happy because you arent ever going to please everyone. Just my $.02

Only comments from me:

- I don't drive 400 miles one way to see junior dragsters. I can go to Commerce for that.

- True Street needs to be more organized. I was photographing this years cruise and my buddy drove. There were no police escorts, which you can rent by the hour. People were separated at the stop sign, missed the on-ramp for the highway, had to flip a u-turn in the highway median, and then ended up in a gas station parking lot. I know because I was one of them. Hotlap them. They're street cars.

-I actually had planned on leaving Saturday night or Sunday morning because I didn't want to have to sit through the bracket racing.

+1 on outlaw drag radial...

and big +1 on non GM bodied LSX cars...

I had a blast for my first time at the shootout. For the true street class, I would like to see the class in 2 different weight bracket's. Have like say a heavy street class and then the regular streetclass. This way for the guy's like myself, mightymouse,cablebandit,etc, that weigh nearly 3800lbs.+ we are not going against cars that are racecar's that happen to meet the rules to race in truestreet.:D

Any chance of making True Street "93 only"?

I had a blast for my first time at the shootout. For the true street class, I would like to see the class in 2 different weight bracket's. Have like say a heavy street class and then the regular streetclass. This way for the guy's like myself, mightymouse,cablebandit,etc, that weigh nearly 3800lbs.+ we are not going against cars that are racecar's that happen to meet the rules to race in truestreet.:D

The heavy cars are the ones that win anyway... :jest:

I will have to say I was very disappointed in this show. I brought my little brother along that got his first LSX car a few months ago and was telling him how badass the show is. Well we got to the event at 10:30ish and was walking around looking at the cars wanting to see the badass LSX dragradial cars run. Well we didn't get to see them run at all. This is probably the only chance of the year for us to see cars of this caliber run. It was a very big let down. Couldn't find hardly any LSX merchandise it was all sold out. Bracket cars if I wanted to watch them run I would go to my local track. To watch a dragster take off then slow down and then punch it to run a dial in of 9.0 who give a crap. The only people that like bracket racing is bracket racers. Do away with them at this event. If need be charge the rest of the people a couple bucks more to watch so we can watch heads up. I really feel like the LSX com unity got put on the back burner. I missed my local EFI State Championship to come to this :ripped: . I really loved having all the vendors to look at cool parts. I don't really know if I will be back next year or not. Time will tell. I really hope you guys get this figured out tho.

Well the bracket cars are out for next year so that is a win.

The text thing, you had the power all the time Dorothy, it is called Twitter!!! Open an account for LSXShootout. Send updates throughout the year and track updates are as easy as sending one text out and everyone gets it. I set one up for the Corvette Challenge I run.

I am with John on the All motor class. Way out of reach. Impressive, but way out of reach. Drag Radial is great but I would think we might want to look at not just allowing bigger drag radials but we should the fastest class be the fastest and allow all tires like all motor does? All motor either needs to be slowed or eliminated. I would bet even the SAM school can find you more all motor cars in the mid 9s than the mid 8's to fill and all motor field. Then you can add a class in between, like what folks are calling the 275 class (hate the name) . Basically three heads up classes, mid 7s (current DR opened way up), mid 8s (current proposed nitrous or 275) and mid 9's (the new look all motor).

For index, having a mid 8 and mid 9 heads up class moves the quicker index cars out and tightens Rumble to start at 10.0 rather than 8.50. If you can brake Index into two indexes like 10.0 through 12.50 and 13 to 15.0 it brings the trucks back and still keeps the gaps closer

True Street, nice class but, i can take it or leave it. It conflicts with index now somewhat.

I rather we run qualifying for index like late model efi rather than one confusing qualifier that then does not get used because we have more than 32 cars. That one shot is not enough to make sure everyone is right. Make it three qualifiers, all index to change only after the first round of qualifying. This will reduce TS to guys that really want to run TS not guys getting the extra passes.

Ah yes, start us all (including NMCA, I think you do that at the Super Bowl right?) with round 1 of elims Saturday.
2 rds qualifying Friday, one Saturday and elims Saturday. That will open up Sunday giving you much more room to maneuver (of course if you dump brackets you may not need to do that)

First round of elimns Saturday and do an lsx bracket for those that want to stay to watch the rest of the racing (of course sepreate it from the LSX elimins so we can actually race and watch

My favorite pet peave, don't charge us an extra $45 bucks to park on Thursday. Little crazy. We don't have to be there Thursday with no racing but have be there for the party (which is great by the way and needs no changing)

We should consider the paved area on the other side of the track for LSX participants or the parking area by the airport.

yea i hated parking in that stupid ass field!! and who's idea was it to put those proform stickers on the fenders?!?! that really burned my wig as well lol.

I would like to first thank the NMCA and MMP crew for all their hard work on what was one of the most trouble ridden races I've attended. Through the rain, wrecks, oil downs, and break downs everyone did the best they could to keep things going. The track was awesome all weekend given the really poor conditions, and for that my hat is off to the guys at MMP.

From a racer's and spectators point of view I really felt like we got the shat this year to not upset the NMCA racers. I know you guys have to keep the racers that are with you all season happy, but a little less shaft would be nice. Mixing the LSX in with the NMCA schedule instead of pushing it all to the back would be much better for everyone. The racers would not sit for hours waiting and the LSX spectators would get a bone thrown to them now and then. I don't see where it would hurt the flow of things that much to throw a round of LSX'ers in every hour or so.

This years schedule was a carbon copy of what worked great last year, but the uncontrollable setbacks really revealed its flaws. I think removing the bracket cars is a step in the right direction as they proved this year and at the first shootout to be too much to contend with on a delayed schedule. But why not just run them on Saturday instead of securing the track at six o'clock? It was also very disappointing to be called to the lanes only to be told to wait at the back because the guy didn't know what lanes to put us in. That drove the shaft in a whole lot deeper.

Now that the complaining is done... I had a great time this weekend and will return every year that I am able. To me this is more than a race, it is a gathering of some of the best people I've had the pleasure to hang out with. People that all share in the same passion for modding and racing the LS platform. It's like a giant LSX family reunion. The weekend is alot more fun when everything goes perfectly, but drag racing doesn't always go according to plan. So to those that came this year for the first time and left disappointed and let down, I urge you to give it another try next year. Come back and help everyone involved make the LSX Shootout the best race ever.

Memphis really is a great place for this race and has the potential to flow much smoother than what we saw this year. If the race was held anywhere else I doubt you would see as high a turnout. It is a central location where most of the attendees can drive there in 6-12 hours. You sure wouldn't see the large manufacturer turnout, sponsor support, or the high quality track prep if the race was separated from the NMCA World Finals. I hope to see this race continue right where it is and would love to have some more added to other races on the schedule. I would attend two or three LSX races per year as long as I could get there in 16 hours or less.

Thanks to the NMCA, GM Performance Parts, GM High Tech, and to all the sponsors for giving the LSX'ers a great event to participate in. I have faith that you guys/gals will do your best to improve this event as it grows.

if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.

if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.

+1^ I would have been pissed if I made the drive from S. Florida (977miles) expecting to see sick LSX cars and end up sitting threw hours of jr.dragsters,bracket racing and that crap. Im glad my girlfriend and I couldn't make it this year because from what I have read we didnt miss anything. I will have to keep my ears open for next years LSX shootout plans before spending that kind of cash and using vacation time. :barf:

It was my first time and I think it would have been more fun as a stand alone event. LSX's definatly got no respect. I have had more fun at the Georgia Fbody event. I think the LSX crowd brought allot of money to the event.

Memphis is a good location.

Allow non GM bodied cars in the heads up classes, the main focus is the LS platform not the car its in. It is called the LSX shootout not the camaro/firebird/corvette/GTO shootout

You need major restrictions in all motor or give them an outlaw class of their own and create a stock cube all motor class.

What's up with parking in the mud and weeds for lsx?

Need to have a nitrous class. You guys know what the rules need but don't seem to listen to anyone on this. Hopefully next year will be different.

I really think/hope we are careful with that 275 class. A couple things to remember:

1) a 16 car field is always better than a 6 car field
2) 8.50 and slower is alot cheaper to build than 8.50 and faster. We need to shoot for 8.50 and slower. I'm sure the faster guys would be willing to slow down for a more competitive /full class to showcase the LS series.
3) this class isn't for the heavy hitters or shop cars(although we all know and hope they build cars for it). It's for the 02hunterss/mighty mouse/ecs corvette cars. A close look at those cars are what you should be aiming towards. Take them, and pull some similiar et nitrous guys together to help create this class!


I feel that that there is two main points that will ultimately bring not only racers but spectators back in record #'s:

1) unleash the outlaw dr class
2) make a successful 275 class

I don't see anything wrong with the n/a class other than the trans SAM's car was running. I'd like to see them getting it done on a t56!!!

I love the shootout in almost everyway, but i to think there needs to be some changes to these event for it to flurish.

1) Let the turbo guys run 315's and unlimted size turbo's.
2) Create a 8.50 class or 275 class.
3) Let the all motor guys run twin TB's
4) Their needs to be a cam only or H/C class to help bring more to the event and to help
seperate some of the classes.
5) And who cares if it a not a GM body if its got an LSX.

1) agreed
2) 8.50-9.50, agreed. Guys are running mid to low 7s on 275s, so I would stay away from that.
3) SAM went 8.50s, don't think the single T.B. is holding anyone back much. Considering there are a couple 4-link cars running 8s all-motor that might be a better change.
4) agreed
5) agreed

1) agreed
2) 8.50-9.50, agreed. Guys are running mid to low 7s on 275s, so I would stay away from that.
3) SAM went 8.50s, don't think the single T.B. is holding anyone back much. Considering there are a couple 4-link cars running 8s all-motor that might be a better change.
4) agreed
5) agreed

I like this guy:chug:

I didnt go to the last one but here s my opinion, FWIW I have been racing for over 30 years and have seen many a series/santioning body come and go..

IMO the bracket class should be split for faster cars vs slower cars, not only is it incredibly lopsided to spectate its also dangerous. You have a 13 second car with no safety equipment being run down by a 150mph car on the top end..

Leave the slower cars on the index and run the quicker cars (say 11.50 and quicker due to roll bar rules) regular dial in bracket. That keeps people having to add/remove weight and tune their car for one event. Just no delay boxes or throttle stops.

If not make SOMETHING for the quicker cars that cant compete in the outlaw class, it may be cool to hang out int he staging lanes with jeans and a t-shirt but 80 cars in the lanes with a 9.99 or quicker car just plain sucks strapping in and getting in/out 10 times when things get delayed.

I'd love to see an 8.50 capped 275 race with limited power adders, I know thats a complex thing to come up with and tech but a simple look at the 'fastest' list on LS1tech would yeild an excellent starting point for nitrous/turbo and the always forgotten supercharged cars. I now a lot of people will complain about it being a capped 8.50 class but there has to be line drawn somewhere, none of the usual 4000lb 'street' type cars are going to have 25.5+ cages, most are lucky to have the 9.90 stuff, if you dont cap it the 8.20 nitrous cars are going to show up and dominate and/or the slower outlaw DR cars are just going to downsize the turbo and jump ship for a guaranteed win - thats just reality.

I like the payout structure and average joe award, the block thing is useless to a lot of people I suspect. I'd rather have a gift certificate from GMPP if they stay on board.

As mentioned already, most guys (including myself) are not professional racers, a lot of younger guys without families or whatever may have the time to do four days. Some of us have kids, jobs that dont allow random days to be taken off etc and that makes a 4 day event impossible. The first shootout was run well, but 2nd round in the index I purposely lost because it was after 6PM and I had to go (kids in school +job). Not a big deal really but i had over 1000.00 and three days invested and I had up and quit. For that reason I will not go again, I have to work on a schedule, other organizations put 'x' amount of time into the show for oildowns. The LSX shootout is the proverbial 10 pounds of crap in a 5lb bag - it may all fit once but if it explodes the second time its a mess.

The stand alone idea is awesome but risky at best, there already was a stand alone LS event and it failed. Racers are finicky and all it takes is a few vocal pissed off racers with a keyboard and you have a big mess on your hands. I like the NMCA guys, they are a top notch organization and thats what it takes to make something like this successful to the 100+ car level.

BUT

Lose the bracket cars and junior dragsters and keep the thing on schedule so people can go home Sunday at a reasonable hour, even run more rounds late Saturday if need be. I know you cant control the weather, breakage etc but just lighten the load some. I was amazed at the amount of time the track sat idle at the first shootout, run the index cars and bracket finals before the other 'real racer' finals just to get it done - I'm sure the NMCA racers would appreciate that as well. It would sure be nice on Sunday even if you won the LSX index class you could be loaded up and ready to go, then hit the stands to watch the outlaw DR and NMCA final round at 5pm on Sunday ;)

I'd love to see an 8.50 capped 275 race with limited power adders, I know thats a complex thing to come up with and tech but a simple look at the 'fastest' list on LS1tech would yeild an excellent starting point for nitrous/turbo and the always forgotten superchargered cars. I now a lot of people will complain about it being a capped 8.50 class but there has to be line drawn somewhere, none of the usual 4000lb 'street' type cars are going to have 25.5+ cages, most are lucky to have the 9.90 stuff, if you dont cap it the 8.20 nitrous cars are going to show up and dominate and/or the slower outlaw DR cars are just going to downsize the turbo and jump ship for a guaranteed win - thats just reality.



I really hope they really pay attention to this paragraph KP. It speaks loads to what the top...40% of Ls racers are at right now.

need to move to north or south carolina so some of the other guys can participate and give the crowd some new cars to see! and lets have an all lsx shootout not bracket carsand jr. dragsters and all other bs.


This event doesn't need to move. Everyone will never be happy. You want to run other other GM powered vehicles? Try one of FIFTEEN super Chevy Shows. I understand many folks don't like Bracket Racing. So, send the organizers of this event a note asking them to put in your class. I did, I want 10.5 Outlaw and Drag Radial added. :chug:

Drag Racing goes on all the time.:bang: I sent notes to the Ohio Boys telling them about an event 11/14 in Virginia. :angel:

The event in Virgina, the 275 class is being sponsored by a friend of mine. Wish my car was up and running :(

Does Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

Good question! If the LS cars could qualify on Friday and finish the race on Saturday it would have less impact on the NMCA racing.

KurtDoes Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

Does Memphis have a Saturday night curfew?

If they do we sure surpassed it with the index class Saturday night.

Good question! If the LS cars could qualify on Friday and finish the race on Saturday it would have less impact on the NMCA racing.

Kurt

Wouldn't want it to run too late though. The weather this year, with the cold temps and condensation would make a 7-8 sec car a handful on a damp track after the sun goes down.

I've been trying to get the free time to add these exact points!

Honestly...we have some local classes that are running small 8.5 tires. These guys are running fast as hell on those little tires. If you limit the class to just a 275 drag radial..there is going to be a handful of guys that build some freaking very high dollar outlaw DR cars, tune back the launch , and still run some wicked et's, and MPH.

My car is setup for an 8.50 cert. I have no plans to get it certed down to 7.50's We have several local events that have various limits, but are basically like an 8.50 breakout class. I think its safe to assume you have a lot more potential to draw in more racers to a more affordable class like that.

More racers = more people at the track




I really think/hope we are careful with that 275 class. A couple things to remember:

1) a 16 car field is always better than a 6 car field
2) 8.50 and slower is alot cheaper to build than 8.50 and faster. We need to shoot for 8.50 and slower. I'm sure the faster guys would be willing to slow down for a more competitive /full class to showcase the LS series.
3) this class isn't for the heavy hitters or shop cars(although we all know and hope they build cars for it). It's for the 02hunterss/mighty mouse/ecs corvette cars. A close look at those cars are what you should be aiming towards. Take them, and pull some similiar et nitrous guys together to help create this class!


I feel that that there is two main points that will ultimately bring not only racers but spectators back in record #'s:

1) unleash the outlaw dr class
2) make a successful 275 class

I don't see anything wrong with the n/a class other than the trans SAM's car was running. I'd like to see them getting it done on a t56!!!

if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.

+1 well said

If the Bracket and Jr Drag are eliminated, then Mother Nature and oil downs are the only two really big problems that are left. Mother Nature is what it is, but engine diapers and probably transmission and rear-end diapers could and should be implemented. Besides making racing a lot safer, the track would spend less time in clean-up supplies and manpower, and the racing would have far fewer interruptions. With our society so caught up in litigation, I'm surprised that the diapers aren't already mandatory.

With less time needing to be spent on track prep, perhaps more energy could be addressed to other items such as Steve Verplank mentioned about True Street not having a leader on the cruise. This sounds like an accident waiting to happen that we don't need. I'll volunteer if you need one!

I do want to thank all the powers to be for putting on a great event, which needs to keep momentum behind it! Threads such as this one go to show that the LSX Shootout will thrive. Bob

i tried to get down with my t56, and I was reving the balls off my stock bottom end (to 8K in the burnout box) but no one noticed a slow 10.90 3800lb 6 speed NA car. LOL

I had lots of fun. Parking sucked. Got my SS all dirty, and my D-max muddy. I like my shit clean, not MUDDY.but I didnt see much else for us to park??

SAM's all motor car is badass, but there was no comp. for them this year. I'd love to build a NA car to race next year, but I only make 80k a year and it would take a 25k for a motor just for starters....

How about a stock bottom end class? heads up. Cars with 347 or less get a weight break, lets say 3200lbs. then the 6.0L guys get to weigh 3350. and then the 6.2L guys 3450. or something like that?? and give a 6 speed guy a weight break of 50lbs or so. limit tire size to a true 10.5 28"

then maybe a stock bottom end power adder class. same weights, limit some thing(maybe jet size, turbo size.) maybe limit the fuel so a turbo guy couldn't get a few passes out of a stock bottom making 750 horse... you get the idea. things can be thought of to work out.

I dont know what will happen with me between now and next year. depends on what classes we come up with if I will see what else I can do with my current setup. but I will be at the LSx shootout next year!

I love the idea of a stock bottom end class!! I'll bring my car again if we can get us a heads up class I can compete in. Index isn't worth the 6hr tow to me

The True Street situation is being discussed internally and I have a few ideas.

1. Charge a small fee to add TS if you're already running Rumble. This could reduce the # of TS cars but not put a big financial burden on someone that wants to do both (stolen from someone else on this board but couldn't find to give credit).
2. Hand out printed maps of the entire cruise to the TS field (also mentioned previously).
3. After lining up for the cruise designate every 10th car a "lead" vehicle for any breaks in the group. Possibly a large window or bumper banner. The "lead" drivers would then have the cell # of the main leader (NMCA) to call in case of problems. This would keep the # of people calling down to a possible 10-15 instead of 100...

Keep in mind I'm just throwing ideas out there. If you have any opinions please feel free to discuss.

BTW: my opinions above could all be "and/or"...

Thanks,

Aaron

If the Bracket and Jr Drag are eliminated, then Mother Nature and oil downs are the only two really big problems that are left. Mother Nature is what it is, but engine diapers and probably transmission and rear-end diapers could and should be implemented. Besides making racing a lot safer, the track would spend less time in clean-up supplies and manpower, and the racing would have far fewer interruptions. With our society so caught up in litigation, I'm surprised that the diapers aren't already mandatory.

With less time needing to be spent on track prep, perhaps more energy could be addressed to other items such as Steve Verplank mentioned about True Street not having a leader on the cruise. This sounds like an accident waiting to happen that we don't need. I'll volunteer if you need one!

I do want to thank all the powers to be for putting on a great event, which needs to keep momentum behind it! Threads such as this one go to show that the LSX Shootout will thrive. Bob

The True Street situation is being discussed internally and I have a few ideas.

1. Charge a small fee to add TS if you're already running Rumble. This could reduce the # of TS cars but not put a big financial burden on someone that wants to do both (stolen from someone else on this board but couldn't find to give credit).
2. Hand out printed maps of the entire cruise to the TS field (also mentioned previously).
3. After lining up for the cruise designate every 10th car a "lead" vehicle for any breaks in the group. Possibly a large window or bumper banner. The "lead" drivers would then have the cell # of the main leader (NMCA) to call in case of problems. This would keep the # of people calling down to a possible 10-15 instead of 100...

Keep in mind I'm just throwing ideas out there. If you have any opinions please feel free to discuss.

BTW: my opinions above could all be "and/or"...

Thanks,

Aaron

Why are we trying to cut down on the number of true street cars? how much is a small fee? lol

Why are we trying to cut down on the number of true street cars? how much is a small fee? lol


Not necessarily trying to cut it down, but it is difficult to manage 100+ cars cruising through town. Then manage 3 back to back passes. Remember, the index (Rumble) cars got free entry into TS so that's what blew up the # of participants.

Any ideas?

Not necessarily trying to cut it down, but it is difficult to manage 100+ cars cruising through town. Then manage 3 back to back passes. Remember, the index (Rumble) cars got free entry into TS so that's what blew up the # of participants.

Any ideas?

Mis-Management of True Street shouldn't be penalized at the racer's pocketbook. It's the bracket cars and buy back's that killed the time. I'd be willing to bet it's that little incentive of getting in Rumbler/TS on the same $$$ that brings so many participants down. You charge more, and you might lose a valuable amount of cars.

I think you guys are so close on nailing down a great event, you can smell it!

-Limit brackets to 100 cars or less w/ no buy backs or eliminate all together(already done?)

-Implement the suggestion of 1 lead car with a "co-lead" car every 15 cars With a flag or something. Assuming 100 cars, that's not too unmanageable for the lead guy to stay in touch with the co-leads. Why are we using cell phones opposed to hand-held remote CB radio's or the like to put all "lead" cars on the same page?!

-Why is there no police escort?! That is unreal!!!

-Run 1st round of LSx heads up classes on Saturday. It's also going to increase your Saturday SPECTATORS by doing this.

+1 on not charging more for true street... if I am already paying $150 to run having to pay more for true street is lame.

Remember, the index (Rumble) cars got free entry into TS so that's what blew up the # of participants.

Any ideas?

I don't know about this. There were about 30-40 LSX cars in True Street that didn't make the call for Rumble. If you want to limit the True Street participants move it to Sunday and see what happens. What you have are cars that want to race but need to head home early, so they run True Street only and spectate on Sunday until it's time to go. If you change the True Street format/price I guarantee you will drastically reduce your overall car count.

I guess you guys missed where I pointed out that the additional charge was suggested by someone else on this board...nothing's set in stone, I was only throwing ideas out there...Remember the non LS TS guys and gals that follow us around have to pay for TS and are not allowed to run in other categories. We're just looking at different ways to get a better handle on it for next year. As I said, it could just need one thing (escort or map or lead vehicles) or it could need a few different things to make it run smoothly which is what we all want.

You guys can keep your ideas coming...we are still listening.

I don't know about this. There were about 30-40 LSX cars in True Street that didn't make the call for Rumble. If you want to limit the True Street participants move it to Sunday and see what happens. What you have are cars that want to race but need to head home early, so they run True Street only and spectate on Sunday until it's time to go. If you change the True Street format/price I guarantee you will drastically reduce your overall car count.

That actually falls in line with what I was suggesting.

If you want to go home early and run TS your price is: X
If you want to run Rumble and because your more set for the strip your price is: Y
If you want to run both your price is: Z...(not X+Y).

This doesn't matter as I really don't think this will get implemented...I was only tossing out ideas...

Also, I think we can stop talking about the brackets as it's already been addressed.

Attempt to combine the LTx Shootout with the LSx shootout... There were a high number of cars that ran at the LTx deal and we could easily increase the car count by like 10 cars especially if they decide to do a nitrous 8.50 class. Me, Mike Jakes, Tony Shepherd, Joey Kenville, Taner Bosnali, Mike Harvey.. That's 6 cars right there capable of 8's and bottom 9's.... I can figure out how to get a mid 8 out of the car maybe between then and now..

It would increase car counts. It would increase spectator counts. It would put more people in the pits and in the seats having a co-located event. Everybody wins. GMPP says they want to sell LS engines. Well why not invite 500 racers/spectators that are still playing with the LT engines???? Seems like a good demographic instead of trying to sway NMCA guys over to the LS engine...Even if there are seperate classes for LTx and you run the classes seperately based on engine or you lump us in an 8.50 nitrous class or a 275/28x10.5 class I don't care personally but I know if you put the events together and add some appropriate "average joe" classes, in addition to LTx Outlaw for the big boys with LT1's to play that you'd pick up 50-60 cars easy....

1: Put events together and invite LTx cars to have a shootout and/or lump us in an appropriate LS/LT class.. maybe allow weight breaks for the LT cars for parity.

2: Add a nitrous class. limited tire size like 275 or 28x10.5 (no W's).... ZERO nitrous cars show up every year cause the 100,000 dollar twin and single turbo machines dominate and who wants to tow 1,000 miles to go home after 2 passes???? Allow the nitrous boys to showoff what we can do....

On losing cars on the TS cruise, is it an option to it on another part of the park that incorporates the oval track similar to what was done at zMax? That is the best solution.

I like the freebie for TS it gives us an extra pass or two and a shot at a few more dollars for the indexes and trust me I am not a fan of TS but on an 1100 trip the extra passes and cash help.

On losing cars on the TS cruise, is it an option to it on another part of the park that incorporates the oval track similar to what was done at zMax? That is the best solution.

I like the freebie for TS it gives us an extra pass or two and a shot at a few more dollars for the indexes and trust me I am not a fan of TS but on an 1100 trip the extra passes and cash help.

Good question, I'll see if we can find out. I know I heard roundy round cars testing on Saturday but don't know if that's the norm or if we can even get access to it.

Once Charlie gets back we'll be going over a lot of these ideas, just remember we'll all be at SEMA and then PRI so we might not be on here as much as we are now. However we will be checking in regularly.

I suggest NMCA have Scott or Aaron create a list of the suggestions, along with the issues, and demonstrate next year how it will be improved. Having the elims run all spread apart and running does not work well. Most of the LSX fans need to see some runs before lunch. I'd run first round sat nite, and then 2nd round 11am, and 3rd round at 2-3pm. Like I said before, 75% of the lsx spectators leave at 5/6pm on Sunday. If you ask folks about 2008, only a handful saw the drag radial final as it was run like at 9:40pm. These are just my suggestions as I don't play any official role and just frankly want to see our guys have an organized place to play.

keep true street free and just organize the cruise better, maps would help a lot as has already been mentioned and run them back to back. they will be off the track in no time, i dont think i saw any true street oil downs or wrecks.

IMPORTANT: im planning on running next year and do not make us put stickers on the paint! i would have been royally pissed off and im sure a lot of the other guys didnt like it as well! window would have been just as good advertisement wise.

IMPORTANT: im planning on running next year and do not make us put stickers on the paint! i would have been royally pissed off and im sure a lot of the other guys didnt like it as well! window would have been just as good advertisement wise.

No way in hell i'm puttin stickers on my paint/wrap! I saw that and just about fell over! I'll go buy some blue painters tape and stick them on that way or enter the car show with my toy next year before you see me put a sticker on my paint, haha. Who'se idea was that?! Sticker the hell put of my windows all you want but not gonna happen on the body.

I am sure some of this has already been said but I am not willing to read through 5 pages so I will just reply.

Overall, this event has been fantastic over the past 3 years. The weather was challenging this year, but the treatment received was not justified.

1. I arrived Thursday at Noon (when the gates supposedly opened but others were already in??) in a 40 foot Motor Coach. I was told I could not park on the concrete infield even though it was almost empty. I was then told spots were reserved for guys that called ahead?? Where was the phone # for that?

2. I was then told I could not park along the road course, then 100's of racers were allowed to (which made the drive back to the pits very dangerous IMO).

3. I was then informed I could not block the gate between the motorsports park and the airport, but somebody was parked there Friday in a large rig??

I was trying to avoid parking in the grass area that LSX racers were shoved to due to the size of my rig but no one cared......I guess arriving early didn't matter either.

4. To top it all off, the TS Cruise was a joke with no map and cars going 5 different directions. After the cruise, it literally took 7 hours+ to run the 3 passes since every class was more important than hours. If we hadnt been held hostage to our cars it wouldn't have been a big deal. Why couldn't someone have announced "be back at your car at 5:00" or whatever time would be reasonable???

With all that said, I would still rate the event a 7 out of 10. Where else can you see the fastest LSX cars in the country along with ProMods and the fastest NMCA cars.

Before this one gets outta hand: The decals will more than likely stay. The class sponsors want them and in order for an LSX Shootout their needs to be class sponsors.

That said, if you simply take a decal and put the sticky side on your carpet or T shirt once or twice and then place it on your front fender you'll find it'll slide right off with no trouble whatsoever. The fuzz pretty much makes it a temporary deal.

Decals on the windows would get lost with the contingency program, which I'm assuming most would want.

jmasse,
We're very aware of all the things that went wrong, what we'd like to see is how to fix certain things. Unfortunately weather isn't something any of us can control. I've been at every NMCA TN event since '02 and it's NEVER been that cold and you top that with constant rain for the previous 3 weeks meant no time for the fields to dry. We're already looking at different parking options for '10 and I hope we're able to announce them and satisfy everyone's concerns.
Thank you for coming out and I apologize for the hand you were dealt.

I suggest NMCA have Scott or Aaron create a list of the suggestions, along with the issues, and demonstrate next year how it will be improved. Having the elims run all spread apart and running does not work well. Most of the LSX fans need to see some runs before lunch. I'd run first round sat nite, and then 2nd round 11am, and 3rd round at 2-3pm. Like I said before, 75% of the lsx spectators leave at 5/6pm on Sunday. If you ask folks about 2008, only a handful saw the drag radial final as it was run like at 9:40pm. These are just my suggestions as I don't play any official role and just frankly want to see our guys have an organized place to play.

Thanks John. Scott and I are already on this. We're taking our observations along with everything posted from you all and I'm writing it all up with different solutions to each problem. I know we won't be able to please everyone, but I feel 2010 will be a huge improvement.

Before this one gets outta hand: The decals will more than likely stay. The class sponsors want them and in order for an LSX Shootout their needs to be class sponsors.

That said, if you simply take a decal and put the sticky side on your carpet or T shirt once or twice and then place it on your front fender you'll find it'll slide right off with no trouble whatsoever. The fuzz pretty much makes it a temporary deal.

Decals on the windows would get lost with the contingency program, which I'm assuming most would want.

Do you mind elaborating on this, I still have seen no reason why a sticker on a fender would get any more attention than on a window. If I have to ill do painters tape as well. Getting dirt and threads from carpet on the back and putting it on the paint sounds terrible too. Also what do you mean the stickers on the windows would get lost with the contingency program?

I know you guys were in a tough spots, how many cars and jr drags were there, like 550-550?

I know you all have very good intentions and that y'all want nothing more than for folks to show up, have a great time, have a crack at a door prize, and a crack at winning a class.

But one of your guys, or an outside guy, has to be the LSX coordinator. That person(s) then has to fight for a fair spot on the schedule and be it's advocate. It can't be 11 and 12th classes with a priority that is the same.

I have been running contingency decals on my cars for a lot of years. They come off without any issue (if you use a little heat). I have never had any paint damage.

If all you have to run are a few series/sponsor decals, why not attach them to magnetic sheets and run them on the rear quarters?

It is normally not mandatory to run contingency decals. It just sucks to win and know that you left money on the table!

jmasse,
We're very aware of all the things that went wrong, what we'd like to see is how to fix certain things. Unfortunately weather isn't something any of us can control. I've been at every NMCA TN event since '02 and it's NEVER been that cold and you top that with constant rain for the previous 3 weeks meant no time for the fields to dry. We're already looking at different parking options for '10 and I hope we're able to announce them and satisfy everyone's concerns.
Thank you for coming out and I apologize for the hand you were dealt.

Understood. The primary reason for my parking dissatisfaction was racers that arrived 24 hours after I did received better spots since the rules changed. They parked where I was told was off limits.

My suggestion for the parking issues is allow for pre-registration and reserved parking. A large section should be "reserved" for the Big Players/Sponsors/Vendors and the other spots should be first come first serve BEFORE the event meaning you can reserve a good spot. Kind of like buying concert tickets if that makes sense. Those that procrastinate can park in the mud.

I can promise you I will be back next year without question and we certainly appreciate what you guys are doing for the LSX community.

Thanks!

Do you mind elaborating on this, I still have seen no reason why a sticker on a fender would get any more attention than on a window. If I have to ill do painters tape as well. Getting dirt and threads from carpet on the back and putting it on the paint sounds terrible too. Also what do you mean the stickers on the windows would get lost with the contingency program?


Please do not put it on dirty carpet...do I really need to say that??? Like I mentioned there are ways to reduce the "cling" of the decal, which 99% of the time isn't a problem anyway. A clean shirt, a clean micro-fiber towel, etc.

Here's an easy solution, put a couple strips of painters tape under the decal. If you like I'll even bring a bunch with me in case some forget or don't see this. I know a lot of guys do this on the back fenders to protect from burnout goo.

IMO most images used in mags and TV coverage will look like the image posted. As you'll see the front fender is ideal for exposure. Contingency decals will go on the back window and the GMPP/TS class sponsor goes on the windshield. Not a lot of room left unless you use the door glass, but I know that some won't want that out of safety concerns.

Hope this helps.

I know you guys were in a tough spots, how many cars and jr drags were there, like 550-550? too many....I believe the bracket problem has already been resolved.

I know you all have very good intentions and that y'all want nothing more than for folks to show up, have a great time, have a crack at a door prize, and a crack at winning a class. Yup, thanks!

But one of your guys, or an outside guy, has to be the LSX coordinator. That person(s) then has to fight for a fair spot on the schedule and be it's advocate. It can't be 11 and 12th classes with a priority that is the same. Wholeheartedly agree!

Do you mind elaborating on this, I still have seen no reason why a sticker on a fender would get any more attention than on a window. If I have to ill do painters tape as well. Getting dirt and threads from carpet on the back and putting it on the paint sounds terrible too. Also what do you mean the stickers on the windows would get lost with the contingency program?

^1 agreed. There was no good place to put those ugly stickers. Every picture I have seen of my car from the shootout I think, "man I wish it didnt have those Proform stickers on the front fender!" For some reason that yellow sticker stuck out like a sore thumb on a all black car :eyes: I know my car doesnt have some super expensive paint job or anything, but it's still a fucking sticker on the paint. Sorry for the foul language but that was one of the things that pissed me off the most.

No way a sticker goes on my paint unless they have given me something or sponsored me (No free be's)...I hope the sticker thing is cleared up...decals can go on side windows or front no need to be on the paint....F that.

I didnt even know what Proform made until I google searched it just now and hell it's all old school chevrolet stuff!! we werent even advertising for LSX stuff. wtf?!?

edit:oh wait i found a billet shifter for a 93-99 fbody lol

I would thing St Louis would be a little more centralized for most? I had fun at the event, granted it was not what I expected. I saw the hype as more of a LSX event, and it wasnt. I enjoy cars, so no biggie. THe weather we cant control unless you have it mid summer when its 100 degrees and thats not much fun either. I hope this can grow into a LTx/LSx only event quick... LS swap vehicles may help with the car count as well... I havent read all 12 pages yet, but I will.

Yea St.Louis is a GREAT idea!!

I found that the best way to aply a decal is to peal the backing off, then use it like a lint brush. Place the back side of the decal on your pants to pick up lint. Then place the decal on the vehicle. Mine were pealing off before the weekend was over.

I found that the best way to aply a decal is to peal the backing off, then use it like a lint brush. Place the back side of the decal on your pants to pick up lint. Then place the decal on the vehicle. Mine were pealing off before the weekend was over.


Gees, that's a good idea for a newbie racer! :kiss::lol:

I know I pitted with the LM-EFI guys on the asphalt. Last year I needed to do work on the vette that required me to raise it up on 4 jack stands. It turned out this year I had to replace a starter motor and that meant raising the vette up on 4 jack stands again. So I gotta say that I am not going to pit in the mud or grass. I get to the track on Thursday and pay $150.00 for the priviledge to pit on the asphalt so I can work on my car if need be. Our group is large enough to warrant the track putting us on the asphalt one way or another. Most other tracks let you configure your pit with at least the car on a hard surface even if the rig is on grass so in 2010 PLEASE PUT THE LSX SHOOTOUT TS/INDEX GROUP ON THE ASPHALT.

John Reese
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Again, thanks for to the NMCA and their hardworking staff for making the event happen. Here are my thoughts...

Comments by class--->

Drag Radial: Time to go to a 315, remove some of the "street car" rules. Last year you guys finished up the race around 9pm. This year the first round on your schedule was supposed to go at 1:30PM. Instead it was run at 4:50PM. Not acceptable. I know the track had crashes and oildowns, but I've been to the event three years in a row as well as other NMCA events, and those delays were not outside the norm. You guys are treating the LSX event like 3-4 classes in your long list of classes to run, though it's billed as a big deal. But the execution was the opposite and the LSX heads up stuff was treated like #10 and #11 on a list of 11 things to do. Even the heads up guys told me they feel that way even though they were among the few cars there that were running over 190 MPH. I'm not trying to be harsh, but you can't run the NMCA event, and then start the LSX event after 4pm. Like others have said, run a round before lunch. You are undermining the momentum you build all year by getting folks to want to come out, and then there is no racing to watch. Run first round elims at 11am, 2nd at 3pm, and 3rd at etc. LSx'ers are not NMCA's. 70% of the spectators leave by 6pm on Sunday. Throw them a bone, they are weekend warriors not folks who run series, most of the spectators have bolton cars.


All Motor: I've said this before, this class will never have more than 4-6 cars when the two fastest guys run $40-50K engines. Top two qualifiers ran 8.5 - 8.6, and the other two guys made a valiant effort but they both ran 9.3-9.4. This class should allow limited adder cars to get the car count up. Otherwise it's an exhibition class. I have nothing against Jud or Joe I've been friends with them for years, but I'd like to see more cars.

Index: Maybe it's time to make it 11.00 and quicker.

The 28x10.5 tire nitrous friendly class that has never happened. The jury is still out on this one, NMCA was sorta talking 9.0-ish, and the nitrous guys were talking low/mid 8's. Not sure where that would go but a 8.0 - 8.5 nitrous friendly class, that allowed a max of a true 88mm turbo, Vortech YSi, and equivalent ProCharger is what I would do. Maybe the best thing is to put all-motor and this together.

2010 Camaro Challenge: It was cool, decent turnout. Keep doing it. Only complaint was that you guys were lax on roll bars and 5 shops told me in person that they would have brought a car had they known they could run in a the 10's with no roll bar.

True Street: That's two years in a row that folks drove crazy and it was not chaperoned. You guys need a lead and end vehicle because last year folks were going 90mph. I know because I was driving next to them so Tony could take pictures. Last year you guys ran the cars with about 15-30 minutes in between, I was in there too. It was fine. This year it was a debacle. Those guys sat out there for 5-6 hours.
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Overall. Love the scene, and I know all of the folks. I go to hang out and see some good racing. I suggest next year that have me and 3-4 folks be aware of the schedule you want to run, and let us make some suggestions. It only took like 15 minutes to run first round elims, so my suggestion is make sure you run a round in the morning. When I got to track on Sunday I talked to Derek and he said that first round was going at 1:30. I wasn't excited about that since I was then going to sit through 4 hours of other stuff going down the track. When 3pm hit I was like wow, the LSX guys are getting the short stick. If you wanted I would have been happy to run up to the tower and point out that 40 folks came up to me and were like what's going on. Heck I know you guys are going to run a bunch of stuff all weekend so I'm not going to tell you to ditch the jr's and local bracket stuff, but you clearly could have run LSX heads up before that giant pile of brackets you ran after lunch. In fact run round 1 and 2 close to each other, and then third and beyond later.

Would be nice to see a 5.8-6.4 8th mile second streetcar class.... no wheelie bars, 1 Nitrous kit, and 88mm turbo, YSI, and D1 class. No parachute. Factory Interior.

like you said:
The 28x10.5 tire nitrous friendly class that has never happened. The jury is still out on this one, NMCA was sorta talking 9.0-ish, and the nitrous guys were talking low/mid 8's. Not sure where that would go but a 8.0 - 8.5 nitrous friendly class, that allowed a max of a true 88mm turbo, Vortech YSi, and equivalent ProCharger is what I would do. Maybe the best thing is to put all-motor and this together.

It would be nice to see this as a stand alone event instead of an afterthought linked with another race. It would also be nice to see some regional events tied into the main event. Maybe even use them to qualify racers for the main event. That would allow more racers across the country to get involved and certainly build more a buzz for the main event. I know this will never happen, but I wanted to throw in my .02.

I am seeing a lot of posts about going to a stand alone event with LTx classes added.:D

There is a lot I could say, but 90% of it is being said in one post or another.
The NMCA knows what they need to do.
This is not their first rodeo.

Now that the LSx event has proven itself for 3 consecutive years during a bad economy...they are now confident enough to cut loose the Brackets and Jr. Dragster.

Personally, I love racing with the NMCA guys.
I get to race in the LSX Shootout and I get to watch the NMCA World Finals for free!
You are a part of something bigger, you are rubbing shoulders with the Big Dogs.

Now for the decal/sticker guys:
They made us put Flowmaster decals on the front fenders of our cars @ Z-Max too.
My car is spotless, so I was not thrilled. So what did I do?
Well, since I always carry wax and towels and detailer etc, with me.
I waxed an area of my front fender larger than the decal.
Then I stuck the decal right on my fender, straight and square right on top of the wax.
I made sure there were no bubbles and that everything was even on both sides of the car.
Then I just took a nice fresh clean cotton towel and wiped off the wax that was still exposed/showing around the perimeter of the decal.
It looked like the decal was right on my paint, but of course it was only on the heavy coat of wax. It also looked good because I wiped off the wax that was around the decal.
They didn't even come close to blowing off the car. They stayed put.
I didn't remove the decals until about a week later, after I got home and unloaded the car.
The sticker/decals pulled right off, no problem, then I took a clean cotton cloth and wiped off the wax under the decals. It came right off.
The wax under the decals was fresh, like brand new because the decal protected the wax from picking up sand and/or dust.

In my opinion it was Win-Win, the sponsor got their exposure and 20 square inches of my car got an extra coat of wax! LOL...

I can't speak for the guys with wraps on their cars.

Just curious, though off topic, does the ltx shootout allow lsx cars? If so, please link details so I can consider it for next year.

No, only because you guys chose not to include us in your big party. That was the whole reason for starting an LTx Shootout. So we had somewhere to play. Don't try to turn this around on us.

I really like the idea of putting the lsx shootout and the ltx shootout together. It would be really great to see both types of engines runnin all out down the 1/4. I know this would take alot of plannin with the vendors and etc. So maybe not the 4th annual but the 5th annual could maybe accomplish this. I really dont want to get away from the NMCA being there too but it felt like that there was too much scheduled for this event, i may be wrong tho cause the weather was messing up alot of things. This would also let some of the small time guys having some pavment to park on instead of the grass. Please no more stickers on the paint, i dont like the idea of putting the painters tape on then stickin or putting lint on it and stickin it. I would have gladly put that SOB on my side windows even if the damn thing was three times the size of what it was, horrible idea to put it on the paint, there is no excuse that would convince me otherwise. These are street cars and we like our paint, besides the ladies dont like f'ed up paint jobs.

Please no more stickers on the paint, i dont like the idea of putting the painters tape on then stickin or putting lint on it and stickin it. I would have gladly put that SOB on my side windows even if the damn thing was three times the size of what it was, horrible idea to put it on the paint, there is no excuse that would convince me otherwise. These are street cars and we like our paint, besides the ladies dont like f'ed up paint jobs.

Did you read post #116?

No one has a cleaner car/better paint than me.
Maybe equal to mine sure, but not better.

They couldn't pay me enought to screw up my paint. But...
If you do what I did, you will have ZERO problems.

Trust me, if it didn't work I wouldn't be posting about it.

Did you read post #116?

No one has a cleaner car/better paint than me.
Maybe equal to mine sure, but not better.

They couldn't pay me enought to screw up my paint. But...
If you do what I did, you will have ZERO problems.

Trust me, if it didn't work I wouldn't be posting about it.

My point is not that it would not work but the fact that we should not have to do this in the first place. They knew that this was gonna be an issue with people before it even happened, so why do it? I could have put those stickers in plenty of other visable places on the car that would be just as good.

My point is not that it would not work but the fact that we should not have to do this in the first place. They knew that this was gonna be an issue with people before it even happened, so why do it? I could have put those stickers in plenty of other visable places on the car that would be just as good.

agreed

it was my first time there this year as a spectator, the whole event seemed to be hyped up way too much. it was still alot of fun when the lsx cars were racing but i didnt like the wait in between. it got a little boring so we didn't stay at the track very long on saturday or friday, and we didn't even go on sunday so we could get an early start to driving. i'm willing to give it a second chance, beale st was soooo much fun gotta love those "big ass beers" for $5 and i met some blonde chick with big ass boobs....:-)

To the guys with the sticker issue's. I just paid $200.00 to have my car buffed and detailed before the event. Guess what, the stickers came off with out a issue and you cannot even tell they were there.
There has to be sponsors for events like this and the sponsors that pay for
US to have a event like this want to be reconized! If you cannot seem to place a small sticker as advertisement on your lower rocker panel that get's beat to hell and back when you drive your car anyway, then you have no respect for the Sponsors and the money they paid for YOU to be able to come out and race!

so 2 racers dont care that they had stickers on their cars. 89 other people are telling you that we hate stickers on our paint and we will put them on our windows. if we have to put them on our paint again next year we will know 100% that our opinions and suggestions dont mean jack to you.

bowling green has more asphalt parking than memphis which apparently only has enough room for less than 100 cars/trailers, and we have 250 plus cars showing up..

and someone said about making the index class 11.0 and up? thats dumb, just because your car isnt "fast" doesnt mean you should be excluded. if you wanted to cut down the number of cars do qualifying rounds and take into account reaction times and qualifying times to trim the field.

eliminating the bracket cars should help quite a bit, but there is still a long way to go.. if we want spectators to show up, there needs to be a defined schedule, and the LSx stuff needs to be run together.. not one round of rumble class and then 2 rounds of every nmca car out there and 1 round of drag radial, and every nmca car etc etc..

both years that i have been i have yet to see the burnout competetion. not saying that it is my top priority to watch it, but i mean you cant just throw something thats on the schedule out the window can ya?

if you want this to be successful you have have cars out there that its feasible for someone who makes $30k-$60k a year to build. people want to see the car they own out there tearing up the track.. yeah seeing a jet dragster, and 7 second nitro cars is cool... but this isnt the jet car shootout.. EVERY SINGLE spectator that came wanted to see a camaro, a corvette, a firebird, a gto, a G8 etc etc like they have at home racing each other. THATS why people come, thats why people participate, if everyone wanted to see a bunch of homological cars that cost 100k+ to build and have 6567895671 rules that have to be followed they would go and watch the NHRA.. this event has to be different, otherwise why bother coming? you could go watch the bracket racers or the nmca racers when they are an hours drive from your house instead of 6-12 hours away where you have to drop money on a hotel, gas etc etc. people WANT to see our cars racing each other, they dont care about the NMCA fast cars, the jr dragsters, the bracket cars, the nitro cars etc etc. they want to see some good racing between average joes.
This is the most naive and somewhat ignorant comment i have read on this thread.you do realize if it werent for the NMCA being in town for thier finals then this event would have probly never happened.Not every person was in the crowd just to see the LSX cars.As a matter of fact,i enjoy watching the Pro Street and Super Street classes just as much as the lsx classes.

I believe not having the local bracket races and jr's next year is a huge step in the right direction.Also a 275 limited class is also needed.I have been there all 3 years and will definately be back next year to race for my first time.Thanks alot to the NMCA for hosting this event

This is the most naive and somewhat ignorant comment i have read on this thread.you do realize if it werent for the NMCA being in town for thier finals then this event would have probly never happened.Not every person was in the crowd just to see the LSX cars.As a matter of fact,i enjoy watching the Pro Street and Super Street classes just as much as the lsx classes.

I believe not having the local bracket races and jr's next year is a huge step in the right direction.Also a 275 limited class is also needed.I have been there all 3 years and will definately be back next year to race for my first time.Thanks alot to the NMCA for hosting this event

i beg to differ, there were many more people in the stands when lsx ran than any other time from my experience

both years that i have been i have yet to see the burnout competetion. not saying that it is my top priority to watch it, but i mean you cant just throw something thats on the schedule out the window can ya?

I doubt there were any volunteers for the burnout contest to begin with. They are fun to watch, but no way in hell would I ruin 300 bucks in tires for a 100 dollar prize.

both years that i have been i have yet to see the burnout competetion. not saying that it is my top priority to watch it, but i mean you cant just throw something thats on the schedule out the window can ya?

Actually, yes. Schedules change based on a lot of different factors: Weather, oil downs, # of participants, wrecks, etc.

The B/O contest has two functions: fan involvement/entertainment and cool down time filler for heads-up classes. We didn't need the cool down time since there was plenty of down time and trying to get the show done so EVERYONE (not just LSX) can go home became top priority.

. They knew that this was gonna be an issue with people before it even happened, so why do it? .

Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong here. "We" had no idea there would be this reaction. Let's look at reality: you're at a race track and you're gonna race...look around at all the other race cars...stickers. In the 8 years I've been here this is the first complaining I've heard. We even did this at the Late Model HEMI shootout earlier in the year and didn't get one complaint from the HEMI guys. So to say we "knew this was going to be an issue" is a completely false statement. As has been pointed out, there's plenty of ways to apply them with zero damage.

We'll look into other areas we can put them, but there's no guarantee we will be able to make everyone happy or even be able to move them.

Honestly guys,

I think we're losing focus of the original point of this thread, and I'd love to see it getting back on track.

1) Dump the bracket program-->Accomplished, huge props to the NMCA for being so swift to action on this!!

2) Implement a 275 class
a) Nitrous limits
b) Turbo limits (everyone seems to agree on 88)
c) Weight minimums

3) Parking dilemma
a) Is the NMCA willing to let whoever park in the paved area assuming we pay $XXX more
b) If so, what is that price?

4) True Street
a) Better leadership
b) Lead/co-lead cars with a better form of communication
c) Possible change in cost to the racers for TS/Rumble
d) Scheduling conflict of the long wait between the drive and the actual racing
e) Possible use of the circle track

5) Let Outlaw DR become truly "Outlaw"
a) Realistically, this will ALWAYS be a small class, so potentially faster et's is not a bad thing
b) Tire size
c) Turbo restriction lift
d) Allow non-GM body cars

6) Stickers
a) Allow use of "painters tape"
b) Other potential places to put them

7) Scheduling
a) Run 1st round of LSx event Saturday night
b) Schedule to finish up the LSx event by 4pm Sunday


Did I leave anything out guys?


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Let's look at reality: you're at a race track and you're gonna race...look around at all the other race cars...stickers.

The last time I checked my car wasnt a "race car", and neither was atleast 50% of the LSX crew probably even more. Most of our cars are still driven regularly on the street and not dedicated to racing only. Not Trying to be a smart ass but what all did Pro Form do for the Rumble Class?

Honestly guys,

I think we're losing focus of the original point of this thread, and I'd love to see it getting back on track.

1) Dump the bracket program-->Accomplished, huge props to the NMCA for being so swift to action on this!!

2) Implement a 275 class
a) Nitrous limits
b) Turbo limits (everyone seems to agree on 88)
c) Weight minimums

3) Parking dilemma
a) Is the NMCA willing to let whoever park in the paved area assuming we pay $XXX more
b) If so, what is that price?

4) True Street
a) Better leadership
b) Lead/co-lead cars with a better form of communication
c) Possible change in cost to the racers for TS/Rumble
d) Scheduling conflict of the long wait between the drive and the actual racing
e) Possible use of the circle track

5) Let Outlaw DR become truly "Outlaw"
a) Realistically, this will ALWAYS be a small class, so potentially faster et's is not a bad thing
b) Tire size
c) Turbo restriction lift
d) Allow non-GM body cars

6) Stickers
a) Allow use of "painters tape"
b) Other potential places to put them

7) Scheduling
a) Run 1st round of LSx event Saturday night
b) Schedule to finish up the LSx event by 4pm Sunday


Did I leave anything out guys?


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Tim

I agree with the above.

I would like to add the following. The oil downs, NOS blow ups and all the other delays the NMCA had no control over it. Yes, It sucked. when I saw the 3rd issue on the track while I was waiting on the return road with the True Street, I slammed my trunk closed and walked away to vent. Luckily I packed a large lunch with me for the ride.

Parking: I think some people just did it woithout asking. I think the NMCA will look at a different location for us due tot he class growing, cars may get stuck, starting line pictures with mud on tires and so on. I have faith in the NMCA for a better change. Last year worked out very well, I know - we did not have the heavy rain.

Stickers, suck it up. Sorry for being so blunt. What about the rubber sticking to your car when doing a burnout? Or you don't do a burnout? How about a Corvette that is only 1 or 616 made? I have #242 and put stickers on it. I am not bragging about my car but, I race it and understand stickers are part of the program. No surprises here. I place the sticker on my pants so the lint will stick the back side, then I place it on the car. I can't tell you how many stickers go on and off in one season, but I have no issues with my paint as a result of all the stickers.

The Brackets and JR dragsters have to go.

Overall I think this was like anything that could go wrong went wrong. I feel all the delays were from the oil downs, hitting the wall, NOS blow ups and so on.

Just my $.03 cents.

Honestly guys,

I think we're losing focus of the original point of this thread, and I'd love to see it getting back on track.

1) Dump the bracket program-->Accomplished, huge props to the NMCA for being so swift to action on this!!

2) Implement a 275 class
a) Nitrous limits
b) Turbo limits (everyone seems to agree on 94)
c) Weight minimums

3) Parking dilemma
a) Is the NMCA willing to let whoever park in the paved area assuming we pay $XXX more
b) If so, what is that price?

4) True Street
a) Better leadership
b) Lead/co-lead cars with a better form of communication
c) Possible change in cost to the racers for TS/Rumble
d) Scheduling conflict of the long wait between the drive and the actual racing
e) Possible use of the circle track

5) Let Outlaw DR become truly "Outlaw"
a) Realistically, this will ALWAYS be a small class, so potentially faster et's is not a bad thing
b) Tire size
c) Turbo restriction lift
d) Allow non-GM body cars

6) Stickers
a) Allow use of "painters tape"
b) Other potential places to put them

7) Scheduling
a) Run 1st round of LSx event Saturday night
b) Schedule to finish up the LSx event by 4pm Sunday


Did I leave anything out guys?


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Tim



Hey Tim, I fixed your turbo size for you. A 94mm in a 4000lb+ car will run the same as your 88mm turbo in your 3200lb. car! LOL!
Everything else look's good.

94mm is retarted....

the only thing i can really have constructive input in is the index racing and scheduling. index is fine imo.

the scheduling really really needs to improve though.. the LSx stuff needs to be grouped together better, otherwise we are going to lose spectators that drive hours to come and watch, they dont want to sit for 2 hours watching the nmca stuff.. they want to see LSx stuff, thats why they drove so far, instead of to their local bracket weekend track. thats what needs to change the most. and have a more set schedule. if your nitrous cars backfire and oil down the track, and cant get their runs done in an hour, the next group of cars should be sent up there.

94mm is retarted....

lmao!

Honestly guys,

I think we're losing focus of the original point of this thread, and I'd love to see it getting back on track.

1) Dump the bracket program-->Accomplished, huge props to the NMCA for being so swift to action on this!!

2) Implement a 275 class
a) Nitrous limits
b) Turbo limits (everyone seems to agree on 88)
c) Weight minimums

3) Parking dilemma
a) Is the NMCA willing to let whoever park in the paved area assuming we pay $XXX more
b) If so, what is that price?

4) True Street
a) Better leadership
b) Lead/co-lead cars with a better form of communication
c) Possible change in cost to the racers for TS/Rumble
d) Scheduling conflict of the long wait between the drive and the actual racing
e) Possible use of the circle track

5) Let Outlaw DR become truly "Outlaw"
a) Realistically, this will ALWAYS be a small class, so potentially faster et's is not a bad thing
b) Tire size
c) Turbo restriction lift
d) Allow non-GM body cars

6) Stickers
a) Allow use of "painters tape"
b) Other potential places to put them

7) Scheduling
a) Run 1st round of LSx event Saturday night
b) Schedule to finish up the LSx event by 4pm Sunday


Did I leave anything out guys?


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Tim

Agrees 100%...NMCA guys need to take a good look and implement this post:cheers:

Overall, I had fun at the Event but here are my thoughts:

1) Do not separate the Index/Rumble Class! This will create a lower attendance in this class and the slower guys should not be eliminated completely just because they are slower. This class is nearly perfect the way it is but 10.0 cars should be running with 10.0 cars, until you get closer to the finals. Also, the rollout at MMP was different this year; I know because some of us were red-lighting when last year we left the beams the same and never red-lit! This is something the track changed, and I know it cannot be corrected. It's weird how I cut .008s-.030s all year at surrounding tracks and then here I cut .075s!! :(

2) As a participant for the last 3 years since this has started, this was the most disorganized/behind schedule year ever. The previous 2 years were much better. Our friends in True Street had to sit on the side of the track for 3 hours because of oil downs, wrecks, etc. This was not good. I KNOW in racing that stuff happens, but the continuous waiting 3-4 hours between every round because of the NMCA cars was horrendous!! I believe getting rid of some of the NMCA classes will eliminate this waiting issue all together. (I believe this has already been fixed.)

3) LSX Shootout needs to stay with NMCA; Unless you don't want to have an LSX Shootout? The LS world is not ready to break this away on their own and keep it successful; Maybe in it's 6th year.

4) No one should have to pay more money just to park on the concrete! This is a bogus idea. I already pay near $200 to enter this race w/ 1 crew man. I think the Index racers are given the short end of the stick (because we don't spend as much $$ on our cars as the DR and All Motor cars and don't have big rigs? No one take offense here, I'm just here to speak for the little guys) and we are left to park in the grass. I have disliked this for 3 straight years. Move everyone to a concrete area where we can have nice areas like all the big $$ cars do in the middle.

5) Lift turbo restrictions in Drag Radial and All Motor is great the way it is.

6) Host hotel appeared very unsafe and much worse than Plantation Oaks. There was NO WHERE to park around the hotel each night we got back from the track. We had to disassemble our trailer and truck every night just to feel secure. If they allow the LSX racers to leave their cars/trailers at the track Thursday night (for FREE) this would be better or give us a larger hotel with a large parking lot. (The new Holiday Inn down the street?)

7) Pre-Party was great; although I heard a lot of complaints that several people could not find the building where the party was. There was very little, if any signage, so many missed the festivities.

8) The extra prize money such as Best RT, #1 Qualifier, and Middle of the Pack are EXCELLENT! It gives people a chance to take something home even if they are out 1st round Elims.

I am sure the NMCA and GMPP are already working to make 2010 better. I appreciate all the hard work they do. This is the Event I look forward to every year. Regardless of the rules, issues, etc. I will be a participant for life! Thanks for considering our opinions and treating us like we are valued.

I am truly thankful for the NMCA & GM Perf Parts putting this gig on! It is obviously still a work in progress but nothing is ever going to be perfect. Scott and the gang worked very hard. I know, I’ve been on that side of the fence. That said, I know I’m a little late in responding and no, I didn’t read every post but the following is my feedback:

Brackets have to go! This is the NMCA’s FINALS and the LSX Shootout. Save the brackets for every other day of the year PLEASE. And JR dragsters … Do I really need to comment?

True street guys got HOSED. That was a tough deal all around. While I’m sure it wasn’t intentional, that NEEDS to be prevented next year. (that being lack of direction, traffic control & … oh yah, the 6 hour wait)

On Saturday, I heard the announcer say he was closing the lanes an hour before qualifying so they could clear the lanes for such. Seriously??? Every lane was full and the line went around the corner. Close the lanes earlier and also, I watched several cars go round robin in test & tune. No one was keeping track. I think a little more attention needs to be given in the lane organization area. Some guys got three runs in before they switched lanes and others got one run in. And people where then just switching lanes. A run card and a hole punch would fix this IMO. Which leads us to scheduling … I agree with 1st round on Saturday night as well as people paying to see the big dogs run and usually leaving before it happens because they are kept until the very end. Is there any way we can incorporate Thursday afternoon perhaps for the T&T and use all day Friday and Sat Morning for qualifying? (assuming you still run it in conjunction with the NMCA)

No matter where you hold it, its gonna be a drive for someone. I drove 14 hours each way and would do it again. Closer would be nice but … that’ll just mean further for someone else. But now … Memphis is closed so its gonna be somewhere else for sure. The question is … Where?

Someone said All Motor was about right this year:
About right ?!?!? Are you serious? There were FOUR cars. What’s right about that? I LOVE this class and was really bummed out to see only 4 cars show up. IMO, the tranni rules are what hinder the car count. YES, the engines are expensive but some guys can swing the engine deal but to add another $15K in transmission & clutch stuff is tough. And the weight they have to carry to use the type of trans & clutch they use is just not a true equalizer. I own an all motor car that can run high 8s in class legal trim. I would have brought it anyway, knowing I would be blown away by a thicker wallet but I chose to bring my 2010 Camaro instead and see what happens. And what happened was no one wanted to bring a knife to gun fight. I’m fine with the unlimited engine idea. In fact I encourage that part (seeing as the class is called “All Motor”) It’s the rest of it that I feel needs some limitations. The original rule of “Any type of fuel injection” works for me. One, two or three throttle bodies, I don’t care about that. Think of the original IROC race, identical cars to see who was the best driver. We did need similar cars with anyone’s all out engine. The difference between an Automatic and a clutchless 5spd w/ a 7” Ace is NOT 150lbs.

The idea of a stand alone event would be awesome for sure but first I think we need to do something about car count in the two heads up classes we have and even broaden it to a few more as has been previously suggested. I firmly believe there are enough LS powered race cars out there and I think if you build it, they will come. It would require proper structure and realistic rules allowing more combos to be “competitive”. No one wants to show up knowing they are ½ a second off the pace or more.

A 275 radial class is a good idea but … Be careful with this … guys are already running 7.30s on a 275 (Joliet) so again, rules are going to be important in any additional class(es)

I have lots of ideas. I’ll probably take the time to write them all down and email them but this is what comes to mind initially from what I saw there and read a little about here.

something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.

something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.


I am somewhat new to drag racing competitively......can you explain why deep staging is a benefit?

I am somewhat new to drag racing competitively......can you explain why deep staging is a benefit?

Here is a topic where deep staging is discussed
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1161162-deep-staging.html

Here is a topic where deep staging is discussed
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout/1161162-deep-staging.html

good read, it was explained to me last year but only had a loose understanding of it, thanks!

Scott,

If you got to keep the bracket guys(cash crop i know), at least put a reasonable limit on the stuff. Say 125 cars, and no buy backs. This is the finals here, we don't have time or room for that non-sense.

I agree with this 100%. I'm a die hard bracket racer and will more than likely be attending next year for the index and whatever bracket race is going on. There should be no buy backs, 99% of the bigger bracket races don't have buy backs anyway.

Other than that I have never been so I have no suggestions :D.

something that HAS to be addressed is deep staging. either you allow us normal guys with footbrake cars to deep stage before setting the tree, or ban trans brakes and 2 steps for the stick cars.

I've seen this at a lot of events in the past. Someone will have "deep" on the back glass and before the guy even gets his chance to go in deep the tree will activate causing a VERY slow RT.

I also agree with this 100%.

I'll probably have a T-Brake by then anyway :razz:

i had both lights lit and courtesy staged and waited for the other guy, he lit the first light and i went to turn off my first, and then he tripped his light, and me moving to turn off the first light registered as a redlight for me.

if you are the first car out its nearly impossible to redlight on a pro tree, yet 30 plus cars did it? still makes me mad.

I've seen this at a lot of events in the past. Someone will have "deep" on the back glass and before the guy even gets his chance to go in deep the tree will activate causing a VERY slow RT.

I also agree with this 100%.

I'll probably have a T-Brake by then anyway :razz:So true, had DEEP on back glass, tried to go in an Bam there goes the tree!!

I agree on the deep stage. There I had two runs where the guy I was running deep staged me before I even pre-staged. After I prestaged I was bumping into the second light and the tree fouled me. This happened twice during T/T or time trials. I was soooo pissed. In the first round I red lit, and i was purposely trying to not even trying to worry about the my reaction time.

Personally I see this as my fault. However, I know for a fact that at every local track I go to, the guy working the tree is watching and will atleast try and accommodate the cars.

I always considered courtesy staging as both cars turned the top bulbs on before rolling in and turning the 2nd bulb on or rolling in deep. I'm not familiar with bracket racing as I've never done it but I thought you got DQ'd for double bulbing a guy in brackets? Did you get timed out Roy?

Thats what Madman was told by the guy at the tree. They set it for an auto and it fouled me. Your right I considered it courtesy staging to atleast wait for the other guy to pre stage. But if people want to play that game I can hurry up and deep stage too, but then again I would just be like any other dick.

Hey guys i started a thread on deep staging that may help us all out on this
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/gm-performance-parts-lsx-shootout-135/