Street Racing & Kill Stories - My Cam Only GTO (old setup) VS 537whp Saleen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08xG5erUnrs

Video speaks for itself. First race 60 roll, second race 30 roll, third race 60 roll. I wanted a dig but was denied....

Based off the 30 roll you can see why he denied the dig...

GTO - forged 347ci (approximatly 2000 grams removed off assembly), stock 241s, 239/242 649/609 111lsa cam, usual bolt ons, billet 3500 converter, built 4l60, aluminium ds, slicks & skinnies, 3.46 gear, light weight flex plate, no a/c, no p/s, excessive weight reduction.

Saleen - 03 stroked cobra motor (301ci) Blower cams, stage 2 foxlake heads, P1SC on 12 lbs, 537whp on Dez Racings Dyno jet. Everything else stock and weighs in for this race close to 4000 pounds.

damn! you beat him up! your GTO moves out and sounds killer.

Beast mode!!!!!

that goat sounds great. whats the exhaust setup? it he really puts down 537, hed just leave most of his tires at the starting line from a dig.

edit: nvm the question, saw the other vid.

wow nice race, if he's making 537rwhp that means your car making at least 450rwhp? i didn't know cam only ls1 making that much

its more in the setup of the car..... and the mass amounts of weight i pulled out of it. The dyno numbers really mean nothing.... He made 537whp on Dez Racings dyno jet. I made 383whp through a 3500 converter unlocked on the worlds most stingy dyno. He revs that thing to 6k, i reved mine to 7200. It adds up. More to it then the hp number..... however it is fun beating on things with lots of "hp".

That thing sounds sweet ! Nice run man. Thanks for representing the LS1.

its more in the setup of the car..... and the mass amounts of weight i pulled out of it. The dyno numbers really mean nothing.... He made 537whp on Dez Racings dyno jet. I made 383whp through a 3500 converter unlocked on the worlds most stingy dyno. He revs that thing to 6k, i reved mine to 7200. It adds up. More to it then the hp number..... however it is fun beating on things with lots of "hp".

ah i see, the mustang's way higher rwhp really confused me

its more in the setup of the car..... and the mass amounts of weight i pulled out of it. The dyno numbers really mean nothing.... He made 537whp on Dez Racings dyno jet. I made 383whp through a 3500 converter unlocked on the worlds most stingy dyno. He revs that thing to 6k, i reved mine to 7200. It adds up. More to it then the hp number..... however it is fun beating on things with lots of "hp".

Yeah, it must feel great! And you beat him real good on a roll for an auto, but 7200 is giving you nice top end punch!!

MS4?

what do you have in the valvetrain for spinning it up to 7200? whenever i go H/C i think thats something id like to do (7000 give or take a few), but im just trying to figure it all out now what i should be buying? any info on yours?

Did the stang miss a gear in every race?

Yeah, it must feel great! And you beat him real good on a roll for an auto, but 7200 is giving you nice top end punch!!

MS4?

haha that was a damn good guess. yes ms4 cam. made peak power at 6850 and really didnt start falling that much till around 7100.

what do you have in the valvetrain for spinning it up to 7200? whenever i go H/C i think thats something id like to do (7000 give or take a few), but im just trying to figure it all out now what i should be buying? any info on yours?

Your would be surprised about valve train but i ran ls-7 lifters, chromoly push rods, stock rockers, and prc 650 lift springs. The stock equipment is actually very good stuff. the most important thing with valvetrain is not getting the best parts money can buy but setting it up correctly. Never bent a push rod, never collapsed a lifter, never broke a rocker, and never floated a valve.

Did the stang miss a gear in every race?

Stang had lack of traction from the 30 roll. Unfortunatly most people build cars to make hp.... not necessarily be fast. This was an example of a dyno queen.

What about the 60 rolls?

didnt miss any gears... just wasnt catching me. There was a lot of traffic that day so we couldnt really wind it out. The 60 rolls went to about 110-120 before letting out. I asked him if he wanted to do it again when there was less traffic so we can get a good highway roll and he denied that as well. The lack of gear my car had paired with the 26 inch slicks and big cam made it terrible to pull from around 100-125. Thats why if you notice i raced the supra with my street tires (25 inch and does not expand like a slick) so it wouldnt have as big a dead spot and would pull through the beginning of 3rd gear much stronger.

haha that was a damn good guess. yes ms4 cam. made peak power at 6850 and really didnt start falling that much till around 7100.

LOL I'm good:drive:

Great runs poor Saleen.

GTO Sounds sick BTW.

badass!

Wow that goat moves and sounds awesome

thanks for the compliments guys. Its new exhaust setup might be slightly louder now (2 cut outs after each collector :) )

sweet vid.....sounds great!

LOVE the daytime runs.

Whats done to the Saleen to make 575rwhp? I call bullshit on said numbers.

Whats done to the Saleen to make 575rwhp? I call bullshit on said numbers.

numbers are 537whp not 575whp and it is a 03 stroked cobra motor to 301ci. Foxlake stage 2 heads, blower cams, P1SC Procharger at 12 pounds. Tuned by Dez Racing on a Dyno Jet. Any other questions or doubts?

Yea do you have any timeslips of your GTO?

Yea do you have any timeslips of your GTO?

nope not one... but if i had to put a mph on my car i would say 119mph car. I would always pull 118mph cars and slower. 120 mph car with the right setup driven properly would inch me out. That setup never made it to the track so i dont know how fast it was. But i would pull high 11 second cammed f bodies.

That Saleen should be a 130mph car if he has 537rwhp. I doubt I had 500rwhp in my Cobra when I had the P1SC on it @ 11psi and I was running 10.96@126mph. Again, BS on the rwhp the Saleen makes. Looks like it makes 430rwhp to me.

That Saleen should be a 130mph car if he has 537rwhp. I doubt I had 500rwhp in my Cobra when I had the P1SC on it @ 11psi and I was running 10.96@126mph. Again, BS on the rwhp the Saleen makes. Looks like it makes 430rwhp to me.

If you think that all there is to going fast is making a hp number then you have a lot to learn about cars. First off if you are not going to get a 3800lb car to trap 130mph making 537whp through a procharger on a dyno jet. Its NOT going to happen. Its all about power under the curve, not a peak hp number. I have yet to see a procharged car with a great curve (at least in a mustang).... its just a steady climb in hp. That car might make 537whp at 6100 rpm when it shifts but its coming back into the next gear at 4200 making around 400whp. My setup was making 383whp unlocked on a dyno that was roughly 50hp off from a dyno jet. My power curve for a cam only car was far better then your average car. There was a reason i reved it out to 7200 rpm. With the converter it would flash to 5600 rpm after the shift extension where it was making around 360whp. Another huge factor in going fast is keeping momentum going and lets face it, nothing holds forward momentum better then an automatic. Whether you want to believe it or not, no matter how fast you shift a standard you are going to lose some forward momentum. So between my weight advantage, momentum advantage, gearing advantage, power under the curve advantage and rpm advantage, giving up hp was not a concern. A well built setup with less hp is far superior to a car thats put together and just makes a high hp number. I have been beaten by cars that make much less then 537whp because they had incredible power under the curve, gearing, and because there setups were built to go fast....... not just get on the dyno and roll out a high hp number. If i wanted to just make a massive hp number, I wouldnt be playing around with N/A automatic setups. I would just slap an 88mm turbo on the car and a 6 spd and spin the thing to 8k once. Just to have a dyno sheet. The owner of that car was expecting to make me look silly before the race. Im friends with the passenger in the Saleen. He asked me how much hp i made and just to play along i told him i made 383whp. He assumed that because he made more hp on a dyno that he was automatically faster. Ill admit i was expecting more out of his car. But hp DOES NOT win the race. The better SETUP does.

Cam only 5.7 making 440+ rwhp on a dynojet through an auto?

He has weight reduction on his GTO, and his setup seems to be optimized for what it is. I'm not surprised about anotherdyno queen getting beat, but 535rwhp might be a very generous number. I'm pretty sure I would leave this car like if he was standing still with my 535rwhp on the bottle.

but 535rwhp might be a very generous number.

That's what I'm thinking. Even if you add the 50 rwhp across the board that he guesses he was down by (compared to a dynojet) then it's still a power band of 410-433ish vs 400-537. How does the mustang never start to pull back.

He has weight reduction on his GTO, and his setup seems to be optimized for what it is. I'm not surprised about anotherdyno queen getting beat, but 535rwhp might be a very generous number. I'm pretty sure I would leave this car like if he was standing still with my 535rwhp on the bottle.

a h/c/i/n f body making the same hp as that car would absolutely destroy that saleen

That's what I'm thinking. Even if you add the 50 rwhp across the board that he guesses he was down by (compared to a dynojet) then it's still a power band of 410-433ish vs 400-537. How does the mustang never start to pull back once during the races?

it could very well be a generous dyno number. But they stood by it. Also ran this video by a friend of mines reputable speed shop and they said that setup in the saleen should actually be making more power. People were getting around 420whp with my setup through autos on here. HP numbers are the most varied thing out there. I also stated earlier in this thread that if we ran it out to 150 or so he probably would have started to catch me at some point. Another factor not a lot of people tend to think of is RPM. His power band is from 4k to 6k roughly. My power band was from 5600 ton 7200. He may have been making more power but my power band was in a much higher rpm range. RPM is a massive factor in acceleration.

So if the mustang had the exact same hp curve and numbers as it has now, but it was moved up to a higher rpm it would be faster? That's like saying that the LT1's are faster than TPI's because they make power at a higher rpm. They are faster because they make more hp, not because of where they make it (although I'm not trying to argue that the shape of the powerband doesn't matter).

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what happened here.

If the mustang had the exact same hp curve and numbers as it has now, but it was moved up to a higher rpm it would be faster?

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand what happened here.

no its fine. And yes. Lets assume same gearing all the way back from the transmission and assuming the motor could hold up to the abuse. If the saleen was making 400whp to 537whp in an rpm range of 5500 to 7500 rpm then it would be a great deal faster then the same hp numbers from 4000 to 6000 rpm.

i should probably also mention that my motor was not a stock 346ci but a forged lightweight 347.

lmao Living in the past arent we? J/k man.. Have you done anything with the new block yet? Are you going to the track tomorrow with the rest of the crew?

i pulled the crank and inspected it. no issues. bringing it to mason next weekend to have him hot tank, hone, and slap the cam bearings in. Once i get the rods and pistons he will balance then ill start the build. Not sure about the track yet. Are you heading up? Dude u need to put a clutch and rear end in that thing and tune it. God damn thing will be an 11 second car with only power mods being exhaust.

Thats good news about the block. Nah I wont be goin to NED tomorrow. Dont wanna push my luck with the driveline it was a miracle it didnt take a shit last trip up.

look at that video, the mustang car look like he not even racing.with that must power he should beat that goat with any problem.any way nice video.




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nope not one... but if i had to put a mph on my car i would say 119mph car. I would always pull 118mph cars and slower. 120 mph car with the right setup driven properly would inch me out. That setup never made it to the track so i dont know how fast it was. But i would pull high 11 second cammed f bodies.

Something is defintely up with that Mustang. It's pretty damned weak for making 537rwhp...if it's really making that power. Regardless, you certainly stomped his ass. Nice kill. :cool:

Something is defintely up with that Mustang. It's pretty damned weak for making 537rwhp...if it's really making that power. Regardless, you certainly stomped his ass. Nice kill. :cool:

I agree with him 100 percents.the goat weight more than the mustang plus with only cam on that goat no way that goat stomped that mustang that bad.


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2001 WS6 Transam convertible

That Saleen weighs in that race around 4000 pounds with both people in it. Each person weighed roughly 250. My car is in the 3300-3400 area and I'm 150. You guys should read all the posts before you just throw down comments. I stated before that it has a large amount of weight reduction. Its not a boat like you typical GTO. Its actually even lighter now. I'm expecting in the spring time to have a race weight of around 3350. Here's another race i had with a 510whp cobra. This was with my AFR 205 heads and tr224 cam.... which by the way was no faster then my stock 241 heads and ms4 cam setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzEf8Yd8D38

OP let me start by saying I never really liked Goats but yours changes my mind. Nice kill. I know exactly what you are saying about power under the curve. I have a procharged Mach that really feels sluggish below 4000RPM. To maximize the power delivery I got 4.10's and a 3200 stall to get the motor on the pipe (sought of speak) much quicker. Hence with only 442RWHP and full weight, 3600 lbs with my fat ass behind the wheel, The car went 11.22@124. Suprised alot of higher hp cars at the track. I also have the suspension set up well that helps me both from a roll and dig on the street and track. I am going to a 4500 stall with my new motor, when that motor is in the 5000 to 7500 range all the time... watch out.

Without knowing the powerband of the car you can't say that is why you won. I can assure you that a Procharged car from a roll is not slugish once you shift. Anyone that says that is a complete idiot.

For reference, I raced a Cobra with the same mods as the video above and the same hp and he easily ran away from me from 60 to 120. He probably had about 4 cars on me. My car traps 117 and makes 400 rwhp on a dynojet so that GTO must have been well over 120 with that setup.

This thread is full of stupid and ignorance.

He revs that thing to 6k, i reved mine to 7200. It adds up.

Everyone knows the car that can rev the highest is faster right? :rolleyes:

i see alot of people being skeptical in this thread....but i do wonder why the mustang with said mods was as slow as it was....either way he lost. good kill.

So is it a cam only ls1 stock block or a lightweight forged 347 with a big cam. Makes a big difference. Whatever you have damn, that thing moves out.

So is it a cam only ls1 stock block or a lightweight forged 347 with a big cam. Makes a big difference. Whatever you have damn, that thing moves out.

It doesn't matter which it is. He said it makes 380rwhp and should run 120mph in the 1/4th. Now if this information is correct he is full of shit about the power of the Mustang. If the information is correct on the Mustang then he is full of shit about the information on his car. I think I said everything... :secret2:

Nice kill but whoever said that Mustang made 537 at the wheel was smoking crack out of his ass. A 500rwhp Mustang "should" trap around 125.

stopsighn32v.... your the only ignorant person... do me a favor. GTFO of my thread. You have already made it extremely clear that you are just an ignorant and arrogant mustang owner. Your the only person who is trying to make a problem out of this. Whether his car makes the hp or not, your being a DICK! DO NOT comment on this thread anymore. Im all set with having a moderator close this thread because you like running your mouth when you know NOTHING. Thank you and have a nice day.

The car is a forged 347 running a 239/242 649/609 111lsa cam. 3500 billet converter, performabuilt trans, aluminium DS, slicks and skinnies, reved to 7200 rpm (rather quickly), massive amounts of weight reduction. I ran stock 241 cylinder heads. This setup was faster then my afr 205/tr224 cam/stock 346ci shortblock. There is far more to setting up a fast car then just making a hp number. My friends 04 cobra running a 3.4 whipple, blower cams, suspension etc etc.... made 580whp through a 6 spd on the same dyno i made 383whp through an unlocked stalled auto. Well his car just recently attained an auto with a 2800 converter. Car goes 9.90 at 140mph. Wait what??? Theres no way it can go that fast with the whp it made... its just not possible. ugh. Hp is a number.... if you cant use the hp the car makes.... its pointless.

OP let me start by saying I never really liked Goats but yours changes my mind. Nice kill. I know exactly what you are saying about power under the curve. I have a procharged Mach that really feels sluggish below 4000RPM. To maximize the power delivery I got 4.10's and a 3200 stall to get the motor on the pipe (sought of speak) much quicker. Hence with only 442RWHP and full weight, 3600 lbs with my fat ass behind the wheel, The car went 11.22@124. Suprised alot of higher hp cars at the track. I also have the suspension set up well that helps me both from a roll and dig on the street and track. I am going to a 4500 stall with my new motor, when that motor is in the 5000 to 7500 range all the time... watch out.

exactly

its more in the setup of the car..... and the mass amounts of weight i pulled out of it. The dyno numbers really mean nothing.... He made 537whp on Dez Racings dyno jet. I made 383whp through a 3500 converter unlocked on the worlds most stingy dyno. He revs that thing to 6k, i reved mine to 7200. It adds up. More to it then the hp number..... however it is fun beating on things with lots of "hp".

im not sure what saleen it was but if its a 4 valve and he only revving to 6k theres one of your problems. those things stock with no mods rev to almost 7k thaks to dual overhead cams. those things are dogs under 4k so if hes only using 2k of the 3k rpms thats why he couldnt run you down from the 60 roll. yoyu just straight killed him from a low roll no excuse for him there. good kills though

im not sure what saleen it was but if its a 4 valve and he only revving to 6k theres one of your problems. those things stock with no mods rev to almost 7k thaks to dual overhead cams. those things are dogs under 4k so if hes only using 2k of the 3k rpms thats why he couldnt run you down from the 60 roll. yoyu just straight killed him from a low roll no excuse for him there. good kills though


New edge saleens are 2V's and s197's are 3V's. Unless the owner installed a new 4V motor himself.

stopsighn32v.... your the only ignorant person... do me a favor. GTFO of my thread. You have already made it extremely clear that you are just an ignorant and arrogant mustang owner. Your the only person who is trying to make a problem out of this. Whether his car makes the hp or not, your being a DICK! DO NOT comment on this thread anymore. Im all set with having a moderator close this thread because you like running your mouth when you know NOTHING. Thank you and have a nice day.

Here is a comment......you would do good to hang with a 450rwhp Mustang. Know your place in the food chain. I could care less if a mod locks this or not. Would be one less thread full of poo in here. Take your car to the track and let us know what it does. Until then no one cars about your philosophy on how you won this race. I did this, I did that, it revs to this, his revs to that, I've beat this, he ran that, blah blah blah. Where is my bs flag?

Edit: found it! :bs:

Here is a comment......you would do good to hang with a 450rwhp Mustang. Know your place in the food chain. I could care less if a mod locks this or not. Would be one less thread full of poo in here. Take your car to the track and let us know what it does. Until then no one cars about your philosophy on how you won this race. I did this, I did that, it revs to this, his revs to that, I've beat this, he ran that, blah blah blah. Where is my bs flag?

Edit: found it! :bs:

stop being such a child dude. You dont have to believe it if you dont want. If it really bothers you then dont read into it. I personally do believe it because i know the other driver, his mods, his dyno time etc etc.... and i certainly know whats done to my car. Its sad that your way of thinking is so uneducated. Are you really that shocked that a properly setup lighter car out ran a heavy higher hp boat of a car. I mean really, grow up. Next time ill just have to have him pop the hood and ill film that too. But people like you truly make me sick. And you say no one cares about how i did this and no one cares that. People ask me questions and i answer them. Your just a child. Be on your way. thank you sir.

New edge saleens are 2V's and s197's are 3V's. Unless the owner installed a new 4V motor himself.

i updated the first page of this thread with the mods of both cars.

stop being such a child dude. You dont have to believe it if you dont want. If it really bothers you then dont read into it. I personally do believe it because i know the other driver, his mods, his dyno time etc etc.... and i certainly know whats done to my car. Its sad that your way of thinking is so uneducated. Are you really that shocked that a properly setup lighter car out ran a heavy higher hp boat of a car. I mean really, grow up. Next time ill just have to have him pop the hood and ill film that too. But people like you truly make me sick. And you say no one cares about how i did this and no one cares that. People ask me questions and i answer them. Your just a child. Be on your way. thank you sir.

:lol: You are so dramatic. You just said you knew the guy. Whos to say you two didn't plan this out? :huh: Its not just me saying the Mustang didn't make 537rwhp. Oh and why do you keep saying its a boat? Do you know how much the car weighs?

And why is he reving a stroked/cammed/headed 03 Cobra motor to only 6,000rpms?

I now have a headache. :bang: :D

:lol: You are so dramatic. You just said you knew the guy. Whos to say you two didn't plan this out? :huh: Its not just me saying the Mustang didn't make 537rwhp. Oh and why do you keep saying its a boat? Do you know how much the car weighs?

And why is he reving a stroked/cammed/headed 03 Cobra motor to only 6,000rpms?

do you really think i planned this out....? Yes your right thats what i did. I wanted approval so badly of the ls1tech fan base that i decided to stage a race of me winning and get it on video. This is all i care about. I spend thousands upon thousands of dollars building cars so that i can post videos online to get approval from people i will never meet. Are you serious? Give me a break! The saleen is a 3800 pound race weight with the driver who weighs 250. The passenger also weighed 250. Im sure you can do the math..... anything weighing close to or over 4000 pounds is what i refer to as a "boat". As far as why he is reving to 6k.... i dont know... driver error perhaps.

do you really think i planned this out....? Yes your right thats what i did. I wanted approval so badly of the ls1tech fan base that i decided to stage a race of me winning and get it on video. This is all i care about. I spend thousands upon thousands of dollars building cars so that i can post videos online to get approval from people i will never meet. Are you serious? Give me a break! The saleen is a 3800 pound race weight with the driver who weighs 250. The passenger also weighed 250. Im sure you can do the math..... anything weighing close to or over 4000 pounds is what i refer to as a "boat". As far as why he is reving to 6k.... i dont know... driver error perhaps.

:bs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wacmF9_6WqU

That just happened

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wacmF9_6WqU

That just happened

honesty.... i was about to fly off the handle at you for calling the bs flag again..... then you posted the shake and bake scene...... and totally redeemed yourself... good man. But regardless. The video isnt a lie. It is what it is. Whether he started in the wrong gear or just plain couldnt drive... the 2 cars in this video are what they are.

wow, that gto sounds crazy - great vid and races!

Whether he started in the wrong gear

Definitely seen that happen before and have cars pulling on much faster cars.

always possible. I gave him 3 chances and he picked the 60 rolls. i wanted the dead dig but he gave me a 30 roll. He just spun in second gear then missed third.

always possible. I gave him 3 chances and he picked the 60 rolls. i wanted the dead dig but he gave me a 30 roll. He just spun in second gear then missed third.

Here's how I see it...you ass whooped him. Nothing else really matters.
There are cars that make 380rwhp and run 10.90's. There are cars that
make 1,000hp that run 12's (Supras :lol: ). Power is irrelevant. ET and RT
win races. You won. He lost. You posted a vid. The results are indisputable.

i honestly dont see what the issue is.. GTO > that car he raced.. gj

Stopsign why do you have a video of your car idling cold in your sig? I watched it and all I saw was an ant racing across the ground towards your car after you started it. I expected at least a baddass run at the track or something. Just curious....anyway back to the thread.

My Son in his 06 GTO tried the highway crap with me. I only have a 3 speed TH400 and didn't really catch up with him for a little bit. Well at least until my turbo's finally got into spooling. I did leave it in 3rd gear all the way to give him a chance (manual valve body). Anyway this just prooves that given gearing, driver experiance etc the difference could be huge. I personally think the driver didn't let that stang get into the higher revs like he should've. Hard to tell but I normally hear those motors singing up high. Weight is ALWAYS the enemy of those who want to go quick! Makes up for a lot of missing HP for sure. Nice Kill!

I watched it and all I saw was an ant racing across the ground towards your car after you started it.

:lol: Wasn't that badass!? He definately stole the show, that little booger. Everyone comments on him. I named him Henry.

Oh and I just got a video camera not even a year ago so the only video I have is of me at the track with the Mach. The way the car is in my sig I never got to take it to the track. I've already changed it. I change combinations on my motors about like I change my tires. It keeps me not bored.

The ant er Henry was moving I'll give it that much! But unless you stepped on it....it shouldn't be in the Kill Story threads....LOL:hijack:

OK back to the action sorry folks.:lurk:

Here's how I see it...you ass whooped him. Nothing else really matters.
There are cars that make 380rwhp and run 10.90's. There are cars that
make 1,000hp that run 12's (Supras :lol: ). Power is irrelevant. ET and RT
win races. You won. He lost. You posted a vid. The results are indisputable.

Well said, and nice kill OP.

thanks for the compliments. My new setups goal is in the 130mph area through an na 346ci. Gonna cost some loot but if i get the cylinder heads i think i may be getting.... it will be a solid roller setup turning 7500.

Here's how I see it...you ass whooped him. Nothing else really matters.
There are cars that make 380rwhp and run 10.90's. There are cars that
make 1,000hp that run 12's (Supras :lol: ). Power is irrelevant. ET and RT
win races. You won. He lost. You posted a vid. The results are indisputable.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't like just knowing that something happened, I like to know why. I'm not disputing that what happened, happened, but there is a reason, even if we don't know what it is (and might never know). Just trying to understand cause I'm curious like that, haha.

car moved out for sure, but doesnt sound as good as my car. hillbilly exhaust FTW :devil:

even though your car wasnt running good that night its still a damn shame we didnt get our race on video, hell of a race lol

car moved out for sure, but doesnt sound as good as my car. hillbilly exhaust FTW :devil:

even though your car wasnt running good that night its still a damn shame we didnt get our race on video, hell of a race lol

thats y its mandatory i have a camera on me at all times

no kidding, anyone comin out friday night? should be decent and maybe ill get a few rolls in before my rear end goes / car sells. lol.

no kidding, anyone comin out friday night? should be decent and maybe ill get a few rolls in before my rear end goes / car sells. lol.

not sure whats up for friday. We gotta get you a race with eddy again. Any buyers for that thing.... like serious buyers?

Your goat definately moves out...good runs...

That was a fun video to watch.

Knowing what you're doing wins races.


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