G8GT7
10-25-2009, 02:25 PM
whats better ls2,ls3,ls7,lsx block or any other block
for supercharge and nitrous
for supercharge and nitrous
Generation IV Internal Engine - whats better
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G Engines
10-25-2009, 02:36 PM
Im going to have to go with the lsx. It has thicker cylinder walls to handle much higher cylinder pressures witch comes with running boost or nitrous. On the down side it does weigh a bit more, but the gain is well worth the extra weight.
99blancoSS
10-25-2009, 02:40 PM
iron is more durable than aluminum, the LSX block is what we use with our big boost/n2o builds
35th SS
10-25-2009, 02:46 PM
Im going to have to go with the lsx. It has thicker cylinder walls to handle much higher cylinder pressures witch comes with running boost or nitrous. On the down side it does weigh a bit more, but the gain is well worth the extra weight.
I agree.IMO that weight aint goin to matter when your making big HP.
I agree.IMO that weight aint goin to matter when your making big HP.
G8GT7
10-25-2009, 03:08 PM
iron is more durable than aluminum, the LSX block is what we use with our big boost/n2o builds
LSX is a iron block correct
LSX is a iron block correct
99blancoSS
10-25-2009, 04:14 PM
yes it is :)
SweetS10V8
10-25-2009, 05:03 PM
If I had he $$ and had to choose, I would go with the RHS Block 501ci... :)
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lsx440
10-25-2009, 05:18 PM
lsx imo
G8GT7
10-25-2009, 06:54 PM
RHS Block 501ci is it iron block and would it fit a g8gt
G Engines
10-25-2009, 08:56 PM
the rhs block is aluminum, nice block but I would rather have a warhalk
SweetS10V8
10-26-2009, 08:00 AM
Its aluminum and its the same size as the G8 GTs L76 engine, It just has a slightly taller deck height to allow for more stroke like all tall deck blocks.
What woudld intrigue me is that it looks like you can swap lifters without pulling the heads!
What woudld intrigue me is that it looks like you can swap lifters without pulling the heads!
G8GT7
10-26-2009, 09:07 AM
Its aluminum and its the same size as the G8 GTs L76 engine, It just has a slightly taller deck height to allow for more stroke like all tall deck blocks.
What woudld intrigue me is that it looks like you can swap lifters without pulling the heads!
how much powe could it hold
What woudld intrigue me is that it looks like you can swap lifters without pulling the heads!
how much powe could it hold
99blancoSS
10-26-2009, 10:19 AM
How much power are you looking to make and whats your budget and what is the application. Those are the questions that need to be answered to make informed decisions.
G8GT7
10-26-2009, 02:19 PM
How much power are you looking to make and whats your budget and what is the application. Those are the questions that need to be answered to make informed decisions.
I want to reach 1000RWHP+ and my budget is all right
I want first to know what block that can take this amount of power safely,isnt heavy and a good price,the top end and bottom end I already know
and what block cubes are best for this application
hope that helps
thanks
I want to reach 1000RWHP+ and my budget is all right
I want first to know what block that can take this amount of power safely,isnt heavy and a good price,the top end and bottom end I already know
and what block cubes are best for this application
hope that helps
thanks
99blancoSS
10-26-2009, 02:44 PM
I want to reach 1000RWHP+ and my budget is all right
the top end and bottom end I already know
and what block cubes are best for this application
Its all about your budget and knowing what you have or want to spend on it.
You can go as inexpensive as an 6.0 iron block or as expensive as a billet aluminum block.. comes down to budget.. and one persons all right budget is another persons constraints.
In additon the cubes your going to run should have already factored into the block decision and since you already know the cubes and top end and bottom end not sure what your asking :jest:
the top end and bottom end I already know
and what block cubes are best for this application
Its all about your budget and knowing what you have or want to spend on it.
You can go as inexpensive as an 6.0 iron block or as expensive as a billet aluminum block.. comes down to budget.. and one persons all right budget is another persons constraints.
In additon the cubes your going to run should have already factored into the block decision and since you already know the cubes and top end and bottom end not sure what your asking :jest:
Tempest2000
10-26-2009, 06:32 PM
I own a g8 GT that puts out 427rwhp and 397rwtq cammed and headers...
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp...
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp...
novaflash2002
10-26-2009, 06:47 PM
I own a g8 GT that puts out 427rwhp and 397rwtq cammed and headers...
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp... lsx block, 8.8 conversion for the rear / rant
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp... lsx block, 8.8 conversion for the rear / rant
Tempest2000
10-26-2009, 07:01 PM
I happen to like my IRS for roads that aren't straight...
There you go rear end problem solved... I've seen it in the gto setups haven't seen anyone do this with a G8 though...
There you go rear end problem solved... I've seen it in the gto setups haven't seen anyone do this with a G8 though...
SweetS10V8
10-26-2009, 07:55 PM
how much powe could it hold
They said 2500hp last year at PRI
They said 2500hp last year at PRI
novaflash2002
10-27-2009, 01:47 PM
I happen to like my IRS for roads that aren't straight...
There you go rear end problem solved... I've seen it in the gto setups haven't seen anyone do this with a G8 though...
the 8.8 conversion, is still a irs set up
There you go rear end problem solved... I've seen it in the gto setups haven't seen anyone do this with a G8 though...
the 8.8 conversion, is still a irs set up
G8GT7
10-27-2009, 02:40 PM
the 8.8 conversion, is still a irs set up
the 8.8 conversion is for the G8 GT
the 8.8 conversion is for the G8 GT
G8GT7
10-27-2009, 02:44 PM
I own a g8 GT that puts out 427rwhp and 397rwtq cammed and headers...
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp...
you are giong with a 550-600hp without changing the fuel pump or the rear end
I don't think he knows what he's getting into. The rear end in our cars won't hold that much power they are already blowing them up in australia with less. Usually in the 700-800 range...There are no aftermarket companies making diffs for our cars.
To even come close you would be looking at a $1000+ driveshaft hendrix or someone else is making them can't remember... ours is weak and people are having failures at my power level already. Ours is the weak two piece with the rubber coupler.
a $2500 build on the trans to beef it up from rossler is what I was quoted thats good to over 1000hp.
You'll need new engine mounts ours will shred pfadt has some not sure on price.
You will need bmr trailing arms and all new bushings throughout the car or you will wheel hop bad.
You'll need a custom fuel system there are a couple of twin in tank setups being prototyped now, but nothing is ready yet.
Next problem is you will need CCW to custom make you some rims as there is nothing in the market that will fit a wide enough tire with our weird offsets in the rear.
You will have to put $20000-25000 minimum into our $30,000 car to even think about hitting 1000rwhp and not totally blowing your driveline to pieces...
If you have that kind of budget I applaud you... I'm simply looking at a 440 sleeved stroker setup or a maggie setup and be happy with my 550-600hp...
you are giong with a 550-600hp without changing the fuel pump or the rear end
Tempest2000
10-27-2009, 02:53 PM
my bad... our stock lsd's are 8.3" I believe the gto's were smaller so we might be able to hold more power...
Tempest2000
10-27-2009, 02:54 PM
yes 550 is about the max with a BAP if you are going FI... NA will go that without the BAP
Rear end will hold that hp fine... I'd be more worried about the driveshaft than the rear end at that power level.
Rear end will hold that hp fine... I'd be more worried about the driveshaft than the rear end at that power level.
G8GT7
10-27-2009, 03:27 PM
yes 550 is about the max with a BAP if you are going FI... NA will go that without the BAP
Rear end will hold that hp fine... I'd be more worried about the driveshaft than the rear end at that power level.
The rear end could hold 800whp without a problem ????
our tranny could hold 500RWHP without a problem more than that you need to upgrade it
Rear end will hold that hp fine... I'd be more worried about the driveshaft than the rear end at that power level.
The rear end could hold 800whp without a problem ????
our tranny could hold 500RWHP without a problem more than that you need to upgrade it
Tempest2000
10-27-2009, 05:17 PM
I said the current rear end could hold 550hp w/o a problem and already is on several FI cars.
Common belief so far is the trans will hold around 500-550hp in our g8's with no issues with a few trips to the strip... In corvettes the 6l80 has broken around 700rwhp for sure as one guy that livernois built a FI setup on had it blow up after months of racing it at the strip. Keep in mind though our cars weigh about 800+lbs more than a vette so I'm sure our breaking point will be a little lower in the hp range.
Common belief so far is the trans will hold around 500-550hp in our g8's with no issues with a few trips to the strip... In corvettes the 6l80 has broken around 700rwhp for sure as one guy that livernois built a FI setup on had it blow up after months of racing it at the strip. Keep in mind though our cars weigh about 800+lbs more than a vette so I'm sure our breaking point will be a little lower in the hp range.
G8GT7
10-27-2009, 06:53 PM
I said the current rear end could hold 550hp w/o a problem and already is on several FI cars.
Common belief so far is the trans will hold around 500-550hp in our g8's with no issues with a few trips to the strip... In corvettes the 6l80 has broken around 700rwhp for sure as one guy that livernois built a FI setup on had it blow up after months of racing it at the strip. Keep in mind though our cars weigh about 800+lbs more than a vette so I'm sure our breaking point will be a little lower in the hp range.
Is there some mods for our tranny so it could hold more power or NOT YET
Common belief so far is the trans will hold around 500-550hp in our g8's with no issues with a few trips to the strip... In corvettes the 6l80 has broken around 700rwhp for sure as one guy that livernois built a FI setup on had it blow up after months of racing it at the strip. Keep in mind though our cars weigh about 800+lbs more than a vette so I'm sure our breaking point will be a little lower in the hp range.
Is there some mods for our tranny so it could hold more power or NOT YET
Tempest2000
10-27-2009, 06:58 PM
Rossler Transmissions quoted $2395 for a full build capable of 1000hp+ at least in a vette... they have several running a trans built by them... again our car is heavier and more of a load on everything.
I think rpm will build up the clutches for 1395, but I don't know how proven their build is yet.
I think rpm will build up the clutches for 1395, but I don't know how proven their build is yet.
G8GT7
10-27-2009, 07:12 PM
Rossler Transmissions quoted $2395 for a full build capable of 1000hp+ at least in a vette... they have several running a trans built by them... again our car is heavier and more of a load on everything.
I think rpm will build up the clutches for 1395, but I don't know how proven their build is yet.
So we need to wait to get some good prices and choices
I think rpm will build up the clutches for 1395, but I don't know how proven their build is yet.
So we need to wait to get some good prices and choices
Tempest2000
10-27-2009, 07:31 PM
Honestly if you are even thinking about 1000hp you shouldn't even flinch at those prices compared to what you are going to spend on everything to make that kind of power...
You have to keep in mind its a relatively new 6 speed not a tried and true 4 speed trans that people have been running for years. With more time more companies will come into play and they will figure out what breaks and hopefully the price will come down some.
You have to keep in mind its a relatively new 6 speed not a tried and true 4 speed trans that people have been running for years. With more time more companies will come into play and they will figure out what breaks and hopefully the price will come down some.