Pontiac GTO 2004-2006 - Got another questiom guys..

ok well i wann get the 04 gto cammed ...but was wondering if i was gonna have to get bigger heads also..and was also wondering what cammed and or heads would you guys thing would be good for me because im still gonna drive it around during the summer some..i was thinking the ms3 camm but not too sure..:doublepuk

I would recommend Ed Curtis of FTI. He'll hook you up based on what you want out of the car. Go to LS1GTO.com and you'll find many happy people.

I would recommend Ed Curtis of FTI. He'll hook you up based on what you want out of the car. Go to LS1GTO.com and you'll find many happy people.

^^^what he said. my cam from Ed is awesome and will kick most of those bigger bumpy sticks

I would recommend Ed Curtis of FTI. He'll hook you up based on what you want out of the car. Go to LS1GTO.com and you'll find many happy people.

Word...my H/C are from FTI...top notch work.

You can do a cam only with the 04, but if you at least upgrade to stock casting 243 (LS2/LS6) heads, you'll really wake up that LS1. The MS3 is pretty big for a small cube LS1. If you are looking at the Texas Speed cams, you might really check out the Torquer V2 instead.

Don't have to upgrade the heads, but you can make some good gains replacing the 241s. Since you don't have to pull the heads to install the cam, you could do the cam now and decide on heads later.

+1 on Ed Curtis @ FTI.

Gerry

ok well im prolly going to get a cam and not heads yet..i just dontknow what type of cam to get..i heard good thing bout msc but then i heard it too big of a cam for that block without getting heads...but i was at the track and TA had it on his ls1 wihtout heads..

Here is a copy of a PM with me and predator-Z

GTO is a heavy car, so trq is one aspect you should look at instead of peak numbers.

230/230 .612/.592 111+2 LSA

is what I recommend. It acts bigger than it is, is a reverse split at .200 lifts so big trq output, rvs till 6600 with a powercurve that is almost linear.


the specs are

intake lobe 3016r
Exhaust lobe 3725r
111 LSA
109 ICL




This guy knows his shit and I've always wanted to try that cam....everyone that runs it is 100% happy.

Having said that I went the EDC route and have a SSHT and my car performs but I think it needs a bigger cam after driving it for a while....

well i think im gonna just get a cam for now and do heads later..like nexxt summer..what do u guys think about comp camsss?

Go with that one I listed above, it works with stock heads and it would be a great cam from this car....it is a grind from comp cams, you just have to give them the specs.

With mods in sig im making 407/390 with stock 241's and stock LS6 intake.....

Get the ms3!!! mines goin in next month :devil:

Get the ms3!!! mines goin in next month :devil:
an ms3 with the stock heads???

and where can i get one of these ms3 cams or should i go with the ms4??? wats the difference..and how much will they run me

I would go with the 228R if i were you but its all up to you on what you want, The 228R is known to make more power than a lot of the larger cams, The TQ on my car is a monster, at 2500rpm im already making 358RWTQ

and where can i get one of these ms3 cams or should i go with the ms4??? wats the difference..and how much will they run me

The MS3 (Magic Stick V.3) is sold by Texas Speed. The main difference with the V.4 is the intake lift is a lot higher on the V.4 which puts more stress on the valve springs. The MS3 is a fairly large cam for the LS1 with stock heads. I personally think you'd be happier with the Torquer V.2 or like Breze84 says, the 228R. I also highly recommend their cam package 2 located towards the bottom of the webpage (see link). The kit comes complete with cam, valve springs, and hardened pushrods.

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/categoryM.asp?MID=9&catid=44

The MS3 (Magic Stick V.3) is sold by Texas Speed. The main difference with the V.4 is the intake lift is a lot higher on the V.4 which puts more stress on the valve springs. The MS3 is a fairly large cam for the LS1 with stock heads. I personally think you'd be happier with the Torquer V.2 or like Breze84 says, the 228R. I also highly recommend their cam package 2 located towards the bottom of the webpage (see link). The kit comes complete with cam, valve springs, and hardened pushrods.

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/categoryM.asp?MID=9&catid=44

True those cams do make good power but my friend with a 228r is stepping it up and I hear of lots of people that wish they would have just gotten a bigger cam after they already put there smaller one in!
I will be running the MS3 with stock heads in my DAILY DRIVER until I get the prc stage 2.5 LS6's, I bought the cam package from tsp like batboy is talking about.
With the stock heads you will get the 7.4 pushrods.

The 228R is not a small cam by any means.... 228/228 .588 .588 112 / 114lsa, That a decent size cam.....

The 228R is not a small cam by any means.... 228/228 .588 .588 112 / 114lsa, That a decent size cam.....

yeah it is a good size cam but when you're comparing it to a ms3 ms4 torquer 3 t-rex vrx6 and some others its kinda small

I would go with the 228R if i were you but its all up to you on what you want, The 228R is known to make more power than a lot of the larger cams, The TQ on my car is a monster, at 2500rpm im already making 358RWTQGotta graph that you can post?

The 228R is not a small cam by any means.... 228/228 .588 .588 112 / 114lsa, That a decent size cam.....

Thats a midsize cam at most....

Thats a midsize cam at most....

Not really a Midsize cam would be in the lower 500's for lift.... Anything larger that a 580 lift is in the bigger range.... How big of a cam do you think your gonna fit into an LS1.... lol... This is one of the bigger cams that are not going to sacrafise drivability....

Thats a midsize cam at most....

I made more power with this cam than my boy from are local GTO club with a V2 cam... All on the same dyno....

Gotta graph that you can post?

I have the dyno graph, I gotta scan it then i will toss it up for you guys to see.... Here is a Vid from when I was getting tuned up, This is the first pull but not the best pull, The quality on the other vids are really shitty and this is the best one... on this run i put down 385 / 377 before we got her running good..... I dont know if you will be able to make out the TQ band off the screen but here is the vid for the meantime anyways.... Best pull to date is 407.42 / 390.12 on the same dyno with my slipping clutch...



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Not really a Midsize cam would be in the lower 500's for lift.... Anything larger that a 580 lift is in the bigger range.... How big of a cam do you think your gonna fit into an LS1.... lol... This is one of the bigger cams that are not going to sacrafise drivability....

You can't be serious

Not really a Midsize cam would be in the lower 500's for lift.... Anything larger that a 580 lift is in the bigger range.... How big of a cam do you think your gonna fit into an LS1.... lol... This is one of the bigger cams that are not going to sacrafise drivability....

You can fit some big ass cams in a ls1 lol
and I know people that DD cars with ms3's torquer v3 v2 and bigger cams... Its all in the tune dude.

You can fit some big ass cams in a ls1 lol
and I know people that DD cars with ms3's torquer v3 v2 and bigger cams... Its all in the tune dude.

Good points. Then again its all what people are willing to Daily drive, to some its too big of a cam to others not. But i agree with you that LS1s can take some big cams, at a meet way back in the day i saw an 04 goat that idled at 2000 but yet was a daily driver haha

Good points. Then again its all what people are willing to Daily drive, to some its too big of a cam to others not. But i agree with you that LS1s can take some big cams, at a meet way back in the day i saw an 04 goat that idled at 2000 but yet was a daily driver haha

haha yeah its whatever they wanna put up with everyday!
Im sure I'll love my ms3 lol

Just for the record I DD my car with the Torquer V.3 and its not bad. Really nice at a stoplight but it never dies and doesnt surge to bad. Also the car went 11.87 @ 116 cam only with no suspenion or drivetrain mods.
To the OP, in all actuality your going to buy this cam and the chances are very good that you'll never buy another one. This being said you'll never really know if your cam was a good or bad decision. Any cam you go with is gonna wake the car up so much that you'll be more than happy with your money spent. So really you cant go wrong. Just my .02 that I give all my buddies before they get a cam. If I were you I'd find a deal on a decent cam and then save a $$ while I was at it. Like I said just my .02 take it or leave it.

You can't be serious

I ment to say Mid 500's not lower 500's....

I ment to say Mid 500's not lower 500's....I guess my 220/224 cam is big because my lift is hovering around .600 :)

Just for the record I DD my car with the Torquer V.3 and its not bad. Really nice at a stoplight but it never dies and doesnt surge to bad. Also the car went 11.87 @ 116 cam only with no suspenion or drivetrain mods.
To the OP, in all actuality your going to buy this cam and the chances are very good that you'll never buy another one. This being said you'll never really know if your cam was a good or bad decision. Any cam you go with is gonna wake the car up so much that you'll be more than happy with your money spent. So really you cant go wrong. Just my .02 that I give all my buddies before they get a cam. If I were you I'd find a deal on a decent cam and then save a $$ while I was at it. Like I said just my .02 take it or leave it.

I agree any decent size cam will wake it up a whole lot!

OP, here is what my 228R sounds like with a 112 lsa....

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Dude....that is no where near the limits of what you can fit in this motor....

Dude....that is no where near the limits of what you can fit in this motor....

Where does everyone get off thinking that i said that my cam is the biggest cam or you cant throw anything larger in... Learn to read guys, My cam is one of the bigger cams you can toss in without really fucking with the drivability... If you know anything about motors or cams, bigger doesnt always mean better.....

Just for the record I DD my car with the Torquer V.3 and its not bad. Really nice at a stoplight but it never dies and doesnt surge to bad. Also the car went 11.87 @ 116 cam only with no suspenion or drivetrain mods.
To the OP, in all actuality your going to buy this cam and the chances are very good that you'll never buy another one. This being said you'll never really know if your cam was a good or bad decision. Any cam you go with is gonna wake the car up so much that you'll be more than happy with your money spent. So really you cant go wrong. Just my .02 that I give all my buddies before they get a cam. If I were you I'd find a deal on a decent cam and then save a $$ while I was at it. Like I said just my .02 take it or leave it.


Daily Drive my Torquer V3 here too with no issues at all. About to put heads, bigger Intake and TB on.

Where does everyone get off thinking that i said that my cam is the biggest cam or you cant throw anything larger in... Learn to read guys, My cam is one of the bigger cams you can toss in without really fucking with the drivability... If you know anything about motors or cams, bigger doesnt always mean better.....

not always but most of the time yeah bigger is better!
Like multiple people have said on here and my friends cars they have no problem with drivability at all with big cams, its all in the TUNE!

Where does everyone get off thinking that i said that my cam is the biggest cam or you cant throw anything larger in... Learn to read guys, My cam is one of the bigger cams you can toss in without really fucking with the drivability... If you know anything about motors or cams, bigger doesnt always mean better.....

No....you haven't done much research. I have seen stock bottom end LS1's with 24X 24X cams that idle and don't buck. Its all in the tune.

No....you haven't done much research. I have seen stock bottom end LS1's with 24X 24X cams that idle and don't buck. Its all in the tune.

A cam of that size in a LS1 is going to surge regardless of what anyone thinks... I have owned a few LSX cars trust me bro, Ya its all in the tune but i dont care how good you are with a cam that size its gonna surge.

The bigger duration cams move the peak HP up in the RPM range at the sacrifice of mid range torque. If you don't mind are banging gears on a M6 at 6800-7000 RPM, then go huge if you want. But, you better build the motor to handle high RPM, not only valve train, but also a beefy bottom end too (like especially rod bolts). At some point, you are really getting out of the realm of good daily driver cam once you pass a certain point. Yeah, some of it depends on how much you can tolerate and certainly the tune is critical. I know enough people running Torquer cams in LS1 engines to know that can work fine in a DD, even if you have a stalled A4. Not sure I'd go much above that if I had an auto in a DD. Now a M6, especially with lower gears can tolerate a bigger cam. On the other hand, modest size cams work well with heavy cars (in case you didn't know it, we have heavy cars). Ultimately, it's your choice, so choose wisely.

i have made up my mind..im goin to go with the 228r cam with texasspeed cams..should i buy the Basic Camshaft Bolt & Gasket Kit also?likei s that a need? and im buyin it prolly this weekend lol
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A cam of that size in a LS1 is going to surge regardless of what anyone thinks... I have owned a few LSX cars trust me bro, Ya its all in the tune but i dont care how good you are with a cam that size its gonna surge.

No.....you can get a car like like that to not surge. Owned a few? That means nothing.

i have made up my mind..im goin to go with the 228r cam with texasspeed cams..should i buy the Basic Camshaft Bolt & Gasket Kit also?likei s that a need? and im buyin it prolly this weekend lol
:secret:

Yes, get the cam and springs kit and then also the basic cam change bolt and gasket kit. You'll need a couple gallons of antifreeze and I would change oil afterwards too.

Not really a Midsize cam would be in the lower 500's for lift.... Anything larger that a 580 lift is in the bigger range.... ....

Are you sure??? Anyone else think there is something wrong with this statement?

Are you sure??? Anyone else think there is something wrong with this statement?

Yes.....larger cams IMO are over .600 and usually mid 230's.

I have an SSHT 228/232 .610 .608 111LSA and I think this is a midsize cam.

No.....you can get a car like like that to not surge. Owned a few? That means nothing.

who installed your cam and tuned your car??

he's close :D. the SS HT is a .612/.600. IMHO it's on the low end of a big cam. without having done either before i installed my cam myself using LS1howto.com and bought HP Tuners and learned to tune it myself. if you're moderately clever, can read and can follow instructions it's a doable job. my car idles at 825 rpm and i can drive in 6th gear at 1,100 rpm without any surging. tweaking the tune is where it's at. a lot of cars i've seen done by "professional" tuners have surging issues and they turn the idle way up to keep them running.

i ran a xer 232/234 with a good tune with no surging issues. once i went to a 238/240 i had some but not bad. it got pissed when it would lock up in o/d at low speed but other than that no problem