Street Racing & Kill Stories - Ms4 cam only 6.0l Z28 VS Pullied '03 Cobra

Camaro- 6.0l., Ms4 cam, Vengance ported 90/90, 3.73s, Yank 3600 converter, hand ported 317 heads (doesn't make a difference I don't believe, he considers them ported), Dyno tune, 3700 race weight
395/380 (Dyno is notorious for numbers 25Rwhp or so less than others)

'03 Cobra- Full exhaust, Water cooled, Pulley (makes 15 #s), CAI, Dyno tune, 3750 race weight
475/500ish IIRC, he just got it done and running...


Cobra has pretty bad traction issues and the roads were damp some, so instead of being in 2nd gear (40 roll) he just went ahead and started in 3rd..
Started at 40mph and we let off around 90mph, right about the time the Z28 started flashing the lights.

http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg259/xhk651/?action=view&current=1030091949.flv

Sorry for shitty quality, taken with phone and it was kind of spur of the moment.

If that was a 5.0 as the camera car and a pewter T/A as the headlights I'd swear that was you and me racing! :lol:

so who won?...is it just me or does that look like the camaro going backwards really fast? and was that a train with a camera in it?

:bs:.

Of all people.... :lol:

Not too many GM swingers coming in here running their mouth on this one. :chug:

BTW, this is my buddies (Ls1z28-00) Cobra that was going to run Ls1pussout if he ever came down.

so who won?...is it just me or does that look like the camaro going backwards really fast? and was that a train with a camera in it?

:lol:

You got the right idea!

I like the way this train looks compared to most I have seen. :nod:

If that was a 5.0 as the camera car and a pewter T/A as the headlights I'd swear that was you and me racing! :lol:

:jest:!!!!!! OR!!!!!!! A pewter TA camera car and a turbo GTs head lights!


Any of the previously mentioned situations will work, take your pick!

:jest:!!!!!! OR!!!!!!! A pewter TA camera car and a turbo GTs head lights!


Any of the previously mentioned situations will work, take your pick!

:rotflmao: I'd pay $50 to see that video! :D

so who won?...is it just me or does that look like the camaro going backwards really fast?

You did see that the camera car was a Mustang right? There is your explanation. :lol:


We still going to the track the 4th?

So finally a Cobra without inflated numbers here...That was ugly, good try OP. A MS4 6.0l is no slouch, seriously. Did you let off in the last half or no? Because he was putting too much buses to my taste.

:rotflmao: I'd pay $50 to see that video! :D

Me and you both.. Me and TJ (Cobra owner) were cracking up about that tonight... We would LOVE for him to come down here.
We tried to get more runs tonight but nobody wanted to play really..

A buddy in a 98 Z28 T56 short throw and 410s raced a 2000ish GT with full exhaust 410s CAI shifter... Buddy gave the GT the hit and didnt kick it till way after the GT did.. He ended up putting about 1 1/2 on him and was pulling pretty good.. 40mph or so roll also..

So finally a Cobra without inflated numbers here...That was ugly, good try OP. A MS4 6.0l is no slouch, seriously.

My car was not the car in the vid.. And yes, it was very ugly.. Especially for the Cobra starting in 3rd gear @ 40mph and not even shifting to 4th..

Me and the Cobra did run tonight, kind of.. Was a shitty run.. Lined up somewhat from 40mph-80mph.. He pulled about 1 1/2 on me.

We are going to try it again with me having a 75 shot and a 150 shot.. And next weekend are going to run with me on motor from a dig at the track.

Did you let off in the last half or no? Because he was putting too much buses to my taste.

Again, not me in the camaro.. My race was MUCH closer than that and the Cobra was in the correct gear.

He was in it until right before he flashed his lights.

I was the person taking the vid inside of the Cobra.

Wow, I should leave the beer in the case before making post like that!! I didnt even notice it was a Camaro and you have a T/A LOL..its friday night, gotta drink a bit!!

Wow, I should leave the beer in the case before making post like that!! I didnt even notice it was a Camaro and you have a T/A LOL..its friday night, gotta drink a bit!!

It is fine.. I figured someone wold assume that, should have made it more clear in the OP.. Especially on a Friday! :jest:

So this Camaro is kinda weak or what?

So this Camaro is kinda weak or what?

It is not as fast as a typical Ms4 car.. The converter is supposed to be a 3600 but flashed more to a 2800-3000.. Doesn't matter a WHOLE lot from that MPH but still makes a bit of a difference.
I wouldn't say its a dog, and I wouldn't say it is average.... My old Ms4 car would have walked away from it when it was cam only.

You did see that the camera car was a Mustang right? There is your explanation.


We still going to the track the 4th?


yea it just felt better to call it a train for some reason:( We are still going, atleast I am, I'll have 2 cars there(the red 98 and the black 94 swap car).

as for this race...I would say he missed a gear but its an automatic?!...still scratching my head on this one:eek2:

so who won?...is it just me or does that look like the camaro going backwards really fast? and was that a train with a camera in it?

it looked like the express train my wife take home from work.

the cobra is not that fast. the camaro is either on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.:ripped:

I have to respectfully.....agree with this guy^

ummmmm.....smackdown.

as for this race...I would say he missed a gear but its an automatic?!...still scratching my head on this one:eek2:

He missed no gears, like you said it is an A4..

the cobra is not that fast. the camaro is either on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.:ripped:

I have to respectfully.....agree with this guy^

I'm glad you know how fast the Cobra is.. The guy in the camaro is a buddy of ours also.. I helped put the parts together and swap the engine.. He was racing and it is a 6.0l.
Don't disrespect me by saying he was racing on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.

Just because it has an ms4 cam and a 6.0l doesn't mean it is the end to all things. Ported Cobras (especially TJs) is not one you should take lightly from a roll.. In that case, was I running on 4 cylinders when I ran him about 2 hours before that race and lost?

I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.

ease up dude we're just joking..not trying to "disrespect you" Everybody knows Cobras can be nasty

ease up dude we're just joking..not trying to "disrespect you" Everybody knows Cobras can be nasty

Fuck that, Cobras are slow as shit..



;)

I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.

im not knockin the vid...lol BELIEVE me!!! When i was stock i got my ass handed to me by an 04 that was pullied etc....it wasnt pretty. But i have to question you in how you say average cam when its an MS4...Thats one of the bigger cams on the street for an LS1. Granted you did say 6.0l....lol again b/c after watching it twice, thats just embarrasing...but happens to the best of us.:cheers:

im not knockin the vid...lol BELIEVE me!!! When i was stock i got my ass handed to me buy an 04 that was pullied etc....it wasnt pretty. But i have to question you in how you say average cam when its an MS4...Thats one of the bigger cams on the street for an LS1. Granted you did say 6.0l....lol again b/c after watching it twice, thats just embarrasing...but happens to the best of us.:cheers:

I understand 100% where you are coming from.. But you also must remember this is a stalled a4 with stock heads (don't know if you have owned an ms4 car but stock heads and a roll are NOT what they are good at, I have many reasons for saying this but they do NOT like midrange at ALL) running against a pullied cobra.. The cars race weight is actually the same also, not that the Z28 weighing 150 lbs lighter than the Cobra would have mattered really.

I say average cam ls1 because it is not an average ms4 cam setup, but the car is just as fast as an average cam only ls1, regardless of cam.

Just trying to say that it may be a dog for what it is, but it is not a dog period. I assure you he would walk away from a 228 cam ls6 intake 3500 stall 373 gear full exhaust car.
I just hate when a 226 cam car with bolt ons walks on a pullied Cobra like it is a total joke and people come in and say Cobras are shit and this and that.
Showing that Cobras shouldn't be taken as litely as some on these boards crack it up to be.

One more..... FWIW, I don't consider my car an average 226 cam car and I got walked on also.. Granted it was from a roll and the difference would be major from a dig I would consider my car above average for its cam size. I didn't get walked quite as hard and he started in the correct gear, but still.
He only gets one roll race with me on motor, for now on it will be a dig or a roll with me on the bottle... Outcome will be different. :devil:

that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry:engarde: ok ok...i kid

I understand 100% where you are coming from.. But you also must remember this is a stalled a4 with stock heads (don't know if you have owned an ms4 car but stock heads and a roll are NOT what they are good at, I have many reasons for saying this but they do NOT like midrange at ALL) running against a pullied cobra.. The cars race weight is actually the same also, not that the Z28 weighing 150 lbs lighter than the Cobra would have mattered really.

I say average cam ls1 because it is not an average ms4 cam setup, but the car is just as fast as an average cam only ls1, regardless of cam.

Just trying to say that it may be a dog for what it is, but it is not a dog period. I assure you he would walk away from a 228 cam ls6 intake 3500 stall 373 gear full exhaust car.
I just hate when a 226 cam car with bolt ons walks on a pullied Cobra like it is a total joke and people come in and say Cobras are shit and this and that.
Showing that Cobras shouldn't be taken as litely as some on these boards crack it up to be.

One more..... FWIW, I don't consider my car an average 226 cam car and I got walked on also.. Granted it was from a roll and the difference would be major from a dig I would consider my car above average for its cam size. I didn't get walked quite as hard and he started in the correct gear, but still.
He only gets one roll race with me on motor, for now on it will be a dig or a roll with me on the bottle... Outcome will be different. :devil:

ok i see where you are coming from....and now that you say it, i get to thinkin that an MS4 doesnt really like midrange AT ALL. lol sorry its been awhile since ive hung w/ a buddy of mine who used to have one. And your right...it kinda does annoy me when i see some of these guys say cobras arent shit...that usually means it wasnt setup properly. like i said ive ran a nice set up 04 and got my ass handed to me.

that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry:engarde: ok ok...i kid

id hope you were kidding....im livin proof of that statement!:emb:

ok i see where you are coming from....and now that you say it, i get to thinkin that an MS4 doesnt really like midrange AT ALL. lol sorry its been awhile since ive hung w/ a buddy of mine who used to have one. And your right...it kinda does annoy me when i see some of these guys say cobras arent shit...that usually means it wasnt setup properly. like i said ive ran a nice set up 04 and got my ass handed to me.

No, sadly it does not.. Back when I had my Ms4 car I use to get walked by a buddy of mine with an F13 all the time from a 40 roll, I would win from a dig and would catch back up with him the faster we went but he pulled about a car length everytime from a 40 roll.. Same thing at the track, I get a 2 car jump out of the hole, he would pull about 1 3/4 up and I would start walking away up top again.
Seen in happen more than once, I just beat a buddy with a nicely set up Ms4 car from a 40 roll with my little 226 cam car! :nod:

And Cobras can't mess with Zo6s until they have a minimum of full bolt ons, and that just makes it a fair race. It takes a pullied Cobra to beat a Zo6 *usually*.

Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train. :lol:

And Cobras can't mess with Zo6s until they have a minimum of full bolt ons, and that just makes it a fair race. It takes a pullied Cobra to beat a Zo6 *usually*.

i have an 01Z and i was stock....he was not. Pullied, CAI, and a tune dont remember if he had his eaton ported or not. It wasnt pretty....he jumped out 1 3/4 and it only got worse from there. 4-5 by 130mph. I believe he put down 445-460range.

Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train. :lol:

i know exactly what you mean:judge:

Cracks me up that when there is a Cobra/Ls1 thread with video and an OP that knows both cars very well that there isn't a bunch of idiots from this site/trolls that start running their mouth.
Not too much to say when, like said, the camera is mounted to a train. :lol:

i'm just givin ya a hard time. we all know that cobra is no joke :pimp:

Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....

Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....

i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.

Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....

Normal situation? That is about as normal as it gets, it was done 4 times and the outcome was the same everytime.
If I had to guess he is very close to 100mph in the 1/8 and the camaro is right at 89-90mph.. If anybody says that isn't about spot on for an average cam only setup, you are in denial, plain and simple. Like said, the cobra would be trapping 120+mph and the Z28 would be traping around 116mph, just guessing on both though.
Thomas racing a 105mph car would just be a joke, there would be absolutely no point whatsoever.
Like I said, I know both cars VERY well, I pulled the old motor in the Z28 for the owner and helped put the new one in. I know every single mod on both cars.

i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.

Yes you are correct, the pull is retarded.. And that is EXACTLY what a properly setup pullied Cobra will do to your average cam only ls1. I would consider my HEADS and CAM car a tad bit above average for a full weight DD street car and he pulled pretty good on me also. AGAIN!!!! He is racing stalled a4s, not 6 speeds.
He has raced another Ms4 car besides this one, my old one. Times are in sig.. 7.2@95+mph spinning, no tune, 2500DA.. I would consider that above average. We race BEFORE he had the small pulley that he has now and was making around 11 #s of boost without a KILLER dyno tune on it.
The race from 40-120 was pretty close.. He got the jump on me and I ended up putting about 1/2 on him and was still pulling.. But this was BEFORE the pulley against a not so normal H/C car.

Such a basic Cobra!?!?! Since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic? Is it lightning fast? No, but not too many ls1 cars would hang on motor with it.

This is the problem with the people on this site.. They see (or race) one Cobra that is not set up properly or they have plenty of mods and the Cobra doesn't and they think that is the norm. THIS IS THE NORM for an average cam only ls1 racing a pullied Cobra, it is NOT pretty. Anybody who thinks differently should get out and do some racing.

cobras are slow. all of them . i call bs in this thread and video. it was all computer generated.

i agree with you on this one. The pull is just retarded. If it is truly just a pullied eaton cobra on 15 pounds weighing 3750 then it would be trapping around 122 at best. I personally had an ms4 cammed with stock 241 heads gto pulling 118mph cars. That camaro must trap only like 105 because that was just ugly. My friends cobra was a ported, pullied, full exhaust, SRA, 3.73s, front and rear tubular suspension, 18psi, and weighed 3550 with him in it. It pulled my ms4 cam only gto 1 1/2 to 2 cars. Not trying to make excuses for the camaro. But that thing must just be a total rat slow car to get trained on that hard by such a basic cobra. But on any note.... good job to the cobra owner.

lol...dynotune on here had a pully only cobra...and has trapped 123 before

edit-speaking of him ^^ lol

cobras are slow. all of them . i call bs in this thread and video. it was all computer generated.

Yep, was waiting for someone to catch on.. No way a Cobra could put a hurting like this on a cam only ls1. :eyes:

lol...dynotune on here had a pully only cobra...and has trapped 123 before

edit-speaking of him ^^ lol

Wrong... A pulled cobra would be about even with a bolt on ls1... DUH!!!!!



FWIW... This is about even for an average cam only ls1 (trapping around 115mph) racing another average cam only ls1 (trapping around 115mph) but the second one spraying a 100 shot. Make more sense of why he got pulled so hard now?

lol...dynotune on here had a pully only cobra...and has trapped 123 before

edit-speaking of him ^^ lol

my junk went 124 with a pulley a bunch of times. still just a slow ass cobra :(
edit.. just so its clear it was full weight, stock irs, stock clutch on 17" et street radials. we got some good air up here in the northeast tho. on that note its never failed to trap over 121 on a clean run even in the july heat. i just got me a good set up with a kick ass tuner.

my junk went 124 with a pulley a bunch of times. still just a slow ass cobra :(

Doesn't mean anything.. Those times are inflated, along with your dyno times and all your races, all inflated.. You ricer you.

In case you guys missed this..

These cars race weight are the same.

Here are the numbers again..

stalled a4 Z28- 395/380

6 speed Cobra- 475/500ish IIRC he it was something like 540-550Rwtq (80 more Rwhp and almost 200 more rwtq)

If that doesn't show you something, I don't know what will..

Doesn't mean anything.. Those times are inflated, along with your dyno times and all your races, all inflated.. You ricer you.

yup just all junk. friendly dyno's and friendly tracks. piece of shit doesnt carry its own weight in water. :eek2:

lemons..you really need to ease up man...we're starting to think you want a Cobra or something...jk the race seems right to me. Now if it was a cam only car that was gutted (like mine with a 6speed) it might have been closer...but now I'm getting into bench racing and thats a nono

I saw a nice white 03 Cobra at the tuner today. :( Made me really wish I had one. Would make a good beat around town car. The 95 would be a drag car in a heart beat!

lemons..you really need to ease up man...we're starting to think you want a Cobra or something...jk the race seems right to me. Now if it was a cam only car that was gutted (like mine with a 6speed) it might have been closer...but now I'm getting into bench racing and thats a nono

I am far from being "worked up" in any sense.. This is built up from every Cobra/ls1 discussion and it gets OLD!!! It would be just the same if it was with any other brand of car, it just happens to be a Cobra.

Would I have a Cobra? Hell yes I would. Over a Zo6? Probably not... Doesn't change the fact that a pullied Cobra will walk all over an average cam only or even some H/C cars, especially stalled autos. 6 speeds are a totally different ball.. A properly set up 6 speed H/C fbody should pull a pullied Cobra, a cam only one would be a good race with the Cobra having the edge.

FWIW, I will post a vid of an fbody walking all over the Cobra shortly.. Dig and a roll. :) Maybe that will make you guys feel better? :lol:

Ummm, Wow was that a race? I wouldnt call it that! lol, So lemons where yall hanging out at? We have a mustang together now lol

Normal situation? That is about as normal as it gets, it was done 4 times and the outcome was the same everytime.
If I had to guess he is very close to 100mph in the 1/8 and the camaro is right at 89-90mph.. If anybody says that isn't about spot on for an average cam only setup, you are in denial, plain and simple. Like said, the cobra would be trapping 120+mph and the Z28 would be traping around 116mph, just guessing on both though.
Thomas racing a 105mph car would just be a joke, there would be absolutely no point whatsoever.
Like I said, I know both cars VERY well, I pulled the old motor in the Z28 for the owner and helped put the new one in. I know every single mod on both cars.



Yes you are correct, the pull is retarded.. And that is EXACTLY what a properly setup pullied Cobra will do to your average cam only ls1. I would consider my HEADS and CAM car a tad bit above average for a full weight DD street car and he pulled pretty good on me also. AGAIN!!!! He is racing stalled a4s, not 6 speeds.
He has raced another Ms4 car besides this one, my old one. Times are in sig.. 7.2@95+mph spinning, no tune, 2500DA.. I would consider that above average. We race BEFORE he had the small pulley that he has now and was making around 11 #s of boost without a KILLER dyno tune on it.
The race from 40-120 was pretty close.. He got the jump on me and I ended up putting about 1/2 on him and was still pulling.. But this was BEFORE the pulley against a not so normal H/C car.

Such a basic Cobra!?!?! Since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic? Is it lightning fast? No, but not too many ls1 cars would hang on motor with it.

This is the problem with the people on this site.. They see (or race) one Cobra that is not set up properly or they have plenty of mods and the Cobra doesn't and they think that is the norm. THIS IS THE NORM for an average cam only ls1 racing a pullied Cobra, it is NOT pretty. Anybody who thinks differently should get out and do some racing.

For the record, i have raced many cobras and the only lost to one of them. And yes a cobra with a couple bolt ons and an upper pulley running 15psi is a "basic cobra" Any cobra with the stock eaton that it came from the factory with to me is a basic cobra. In fact i dont think i have ever seen a cobra WITHOUT an upper pulley on it. Its so basic in fact its mandatory to pulley it once you buy one. If i owned a cobra, the first thing i would do is rip that junk 1.2 liter blower off that car. The fastest i have ever seen an eaton cobra go at the track is 124mph. Once they start hooking there mph drops to around 120-121. Not saying they cant go faster.... but why spend all that time an money when you can just get a bigger more efficient blower. My friend has a 3.4 whipple on his running 26psi going 9.90 at 140mph.... thats NOT a basic cobra. O and its race weight is pretty damn heavy with a stalled auto and SRA. I may be a chevy guy but i do have lots of experience with them. I have various friends who own them and i have ripped down my share of Cobra motors.

Ummm, Wow was that a race? I wouldnt call it that! lol, So lemons where yall hanging out at? We have a mustang together now lol

:lol: Guess I should have said Cobra playing around!

Tullahoma area.. We go to Huntsville for the track. You near us?

For the record, i have raced many cobras and the only lost to one of them. And yes a cobra with a couple bolt ons and an upper pulley running 15psi is a "basic cobra" Any cobra with the stock eaton that it came from the factory with to me is a basic cobra. In fact i dont think i have ever seen a cobra WITHOUT an upper pulley on it. Its so basic in fact its mandatory to pulley it once you buy one. If i owned a cobra, the first thing i would do is rip that junk 1.2 liter blower off that car. The fastest i have ever seen an eaton cobra go at the track is 124mph. Once they start hooking there mph drops to around 120-121. Not saying they cant go faster.... but why spend all that time an money when you can just get a bigger more efficient blower. My friend has a 3.4 whipple on his running 26psi going 9.90 at 140mph.... thats NOT a basic cobra. O and its race weight is 3920 with a stalled auto and SRA. I may be a chevy guy but i do have lots of experience with them. I have various friends who own them and i have ripped down my share of Cobra motors.

So, you are aware that Eatons are in the 9s@130+mph also then, correct?

What are your mods?

And you don't have too much reading comprehension. I didn't say it was a basic Cobra, I asked since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic. That is not the "norm" for a street car, not by any means.

For the record, i have raced many cobras and the only lost to one of them. And yes a cobra with a couple bolt ons and an upper pulley running 15psi is a "basic cobra" Any cobra with the stock eaton that it came from the factory with to me is a basic cobra.

Given your definition, my "basic Cobra" went 11.20's.

I may be a chevy guy but i do have lots of experience with them.

Let's see where your wealth of knowledge comes from...


I have various friends who own them and i have ripped down my share of Cobra motors.

Ummm...yeah...ok.

what i consider basic.... is basic mods.... U take an 03 - 04 cobra. You put a small pulley on it, air intake, and exhaust. Those are BASIC mods that can make an 03/04 cobra trap 120mph. So yes a 120mph 03/04 cobra is basic. Look at a c6 z06. That car dead stock can got 126mph. That is 100% basic for a c6 z06 considering its 100% stock.

:lol: Guess I should have said Cobra playing around!

Tullahoma area.. We go to Huntsville for the track. You near us?



So, you are aware that Eatons are in the 9s@130+mph also then, correct?

What are your mods?

And you don't have too much reading comprehension. I didn't say it was a basic Cobra, I asked since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic. That is not the "norm" for a street car, not by any means.

Yes eaton cobras are in the 9's but do you have any idea how much more money that takes then to do it with a 3.4 whipple? A shit load.

Given your definition, my "basic Cobra" went 11.20's.



Let's see where your wealth of knowledge comes from...



Ummm...yeah...ok.

Not quite sure where your coming from saying "ummm... yeah... ok". Is that sarcasm for "bullshit you have never touched a cobra motor before"?

what i consider basic.... is basic mods.... U take an 03 - 04 cobra. You put a small pulley on it, air intake, and exhaust. Those are BASIC mods that can make an 03/04 cobra trap 120mph. So yes a 120mph 03/04 cobra is basic. Look at a c6 z06. That car dead stock can got 126mph. That is 100% basic for a c6 z06 considering its 100% stock.

Who cares about trap speed? :confused:

I went 11.20's with a catback, a cold air kit, an upper pulley, nittos, and
a tune. That's about as "basic" as it gets for a '03 Cobra. But I'm sure
you know what they are capable of given your experience.

Not quite sure where your coming from saying "ummm... yeah... ok". Is that sarcasm for "bullshit you have never touched a cobra motor before"?

Tearing one apart doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.
Anyone can start wrenching on a car. That means nothing.

what i consider basic.... is basic mods.... U take an 03 - 04 cobra. You put a small pulley on it, air intake, and exhaust. Those are BASIC mods that can make an 03/04 cobra trap 120mph. So yes a 120mph 03/04 cobra is basic. Look at a c6 z06. That car dead stock can got 126mph. That is 100% basic for a c6 z06 considering its 100% stock.

Now I think you are just dumb, along with no comprehension. I said it is NOT BASIC for a street car, regardless of what it is.

Yes eaton cobras are in the 9's but do you have any idea how much more money that takes then to do it with a 3.4 whipple? A shit load.

O, ok... I forgot that if two cars ran 9.98@131.2mph the one with the less money in it was also faster.
BTW, care to tell me why it costs less money to do it with a whipple/KB than it does an Eaton?

Yes eaton cobras are in the 9's but do you have any idea how much more money that takes then to do it with a 3.4 whipple? A shit load.

Ask Jake at at modularfords (or dynotune). I think you'll be surprised. :nod:

Ask Jake at at modularfords (or dynotune). I think you'll be surprised. :nod:

:lol: I was waiting for him to tell me why it costs so much more to do it with an Eaton than a KB/Whipple.. I'm sure he couldn't, but it sure was a good way to make him sound like he knew what he was talking about.

first of all.... you both need to relax..... you guys are getting extremely offended by what im saying.

first of all.... you both need to relax..... you guys are getting extremely offended by what im saying.

I am sure I can speak for Unit when I say this, neither of us are any where near being "offended" by what you are saying. This is the internet and there are dumbass people all over it.

And on that, you have avoided many questions that we have asked you.

Who cares about trap speed? :confused:

I went 11.20's with a catback, a cold air kit, an upper pulley, nittos, and
a tune. That's about as "basic" as it gets for a '03 Cobra. But I'm sure
you know what they are capable of given your experience.

You would be surprised how many people care about mph. And 11.20s just shows you can drive the car to its full potential and also grab a good amount of traction.

A local Cobra runs a 2.3 whipple running 19lbs of boost. He put down 627 rwhp and 628 tq. His best at the track is a 11.4 @ 122mph. Car has a cage, solid axle 9" and gobs of other shit. Keep in mind our track is @ 2400' elevation and we dont see much better than 3000' DA. Here is a link to the car http://www.spokanespeed.net/forum/showpost.php?p=51114&postcount=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzQHWXFXMOE&feature=player_embedded

Dyno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqahVcia8WE

You would be surprised how many people care about mph. And 11.20s just shows you can drive the car to its full potential and also grab a good amount of traction.

Regardless of how many people care about it, it is irrelevant in the discussion on hand.

11.2s also shows that you are way off in your "argument".

well nicely ask me some questions and i would be more then willing to answer them. I never said a car with a 3.4 whipple going 9.90 was faster then an eaton car going 9.90. But i would imagine that you, me, unit and any car enthusiast would rather spend less money to get there (assuming it wasnt less money to take short cuts)

Buddy ran mid 7s (would be mid-high 11s in 1/4) with 11#s and a bolt on cobra with nittos in 2500DA.. I'm sure with his new set up he can hit low 11s. I'm sure if it was more of a "drag car" (SRA, weight reducion, etc etc) he could go 10s. On a stock unported Eaton, in not so good DA.

well nicely ask me some questions and i would be more then willing to answer them. I never said a car with a 3.4 whipple going 9.90 was faster then an eaton car going 9.90. But i would imagine that you, me, unit and any car enthusiast would rather spend less money to get there (assuming it wasnt less money to take short cuts)

Who agreed with you that it was less money doing it with a KB than an Eation? ESPECIALLY in your example.

Just go back and quote/answer our questions, I am curious to your answers.

ok we will start with my mods.... My old setup( currently no motor in the car) was a forged 347ci ms4, 9.8:1cr, stock unported 241 heads, PP intake, ud pulley, 1 7/8s kooks, built 4l60e with 3500 converter, alumiunium ds, stock 3.46 gear.... and a solid amount of weight reduction. Never had this setup to the track due to a cracked windshield and failing tech. I built it all myself from the 70 ft lbs on the rod caps to the head bolts. Nothing was done by anyone else. The fastest et car i roll raced and beat was an 11.8 at 116. I pulled him about 1 1/2 to 2 car lengths. The fastest mph car i pulled from a roll was a car that went 12.2 at 118 mph. I beat that car by around 1/2 to a car. My buddies ported/pullied SRA, bolt on, tubular suspension cobra trapped 124mph and pulled me around 1 car to 1 1/2 cars.

and typically in roll racing, the winning car is usually the car that has the higher mph at the track NOT et. From a dig is obviously a total different story.

Karls East Coast Speed does not have one eaton cobra in there line up.. They consist only of KB and Whipples. I dont know if you have ever heard of them but they are in the top 5 (cant remember exact position) fastest street driven gt500s

and as far as the money to how fast your car 1/4miles ratio, between an eaton and a whipple/ken bell. That is all determined by how fast you want the car to be. If your looking for high to mid 9's then yes a whipple/KB is the better choice financially. Yes you have to pay the extra money for the actual blower unit. But the extra size/ power/ efficiency you get from the blower makes it far easier to go down the track faster then with any ported eaton blower (not to mention heat soaking). The only 03/04 cobra in my area in the 9s has a ported 3.4 whipple on it. The fastest eaton cobra has run 11.3. Both have SRAs but the whipple has an auto and the eaton car has full front and rear tubular suspension. Not to mention the whipple car is far more consistant do to much less heat soak. Eaton Cobra hot laps into the 11's. Whipple cobra only drops a couple hundreths.

o and as far as suspension goes, the 9.90 whipple cobra has just front and rear adjustable shocks and the rest is full stock suspension. The 11.3 eaton car has all tubular, poly, adjustable this, adjustable that, etc etc into the suspension.

this is the only video my friend has of his 9.90 at 140mph 3.4 whipple cobra. Its a terrible video but it gives u an idea how fast that car is. Its just a simple speedo pull from 60-120.


http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thekingscamaro#p/u/0/nZdRrRoOpRU

well nicely ask me some questions and i would be more then willing to answer them. I never said a car with a 3.4 whipple going 9.90 was faster then an eaton car going 9.90. But i would imagine that you, me, unit and any car enthusiast would rather spend less money to get there (assuming it wasnt less money to take short cuts)

you are gonna spend just as much money doing it with an eaton then with a kb or whipple. the money you need to spend to run 9's safely and consistantly isnt going to change. and to be honest a stalled auto, 3.4 whipple and a SRA is kinda weak in my opinion.

another example of the money/1/4mile ratio. Lets say you had a dead stock f body. Your choices would be to run an n/a build or a procharger build. Either way your gonna go fast. Lets say a procharger kit costs 5k to completely bolt up including fuel system. Lets say a basic H/C car costs 4k with all necessary supporting mods to use the heads and cam. 9 times out of 10 the procharged version is going to be faster then the basic h/c (assuming the procharged car is running a decent amount of boost). Now knowing the procharged car makes more hp, it is going to cost you far far far more then 5k to build an n/a car that will out run that procharged car. I know this is a very rough analogy but its the same principle as the kb/whipple vs eaton. The less power your car makes, the more money you have to put else where into the car to make it out run a car with higher hp. Anyway. Im not trying to start an arguement or a who has the bigger e-dick battle. But it will always cost more money to go faster with less hp(assuming same car).

you are gonna spend just as much money doing it with an eaton then with a kb or whipple. the money you need to spend to run 9's safely and consistantly isnt going to change. and to be honest a stalled auto, 3.4 whipple and a SRA is kinda weak in my opinion.

if you think 9.90 at 140mph in a full street car weighing 3900 lbs race weight is weak, then i dont even wanna know what you drive.

ok we will start with my mods.... My old setup( currently no motor in the car) was a forged 347ci ms4, 9.8:1cr, stock unported 241 heads, PP intake, ud pulley, 1 7/8s kooks, built 4l60e with 3500 converter, alumiunium ds, stock 3.46 gear.... and a solid amount of weight reduction. Never had this setup to the track due to a cracked windshield and failing tech. I built it all myself from the 70 ft lbs on the rod caps to the head bolts. Nothing was done by anyone else. The fastest et car i roll raced and beat was an 11.8 at 116. I pulled him about 1 1/2 to 2 car lengths. The fastest mph car i pulled from a roll was a car that went 12.2 at 119 mph. I beat that car by around 1/2 to a car. My buddies ported/pullied SRA, bolt on, tubular suspension cobra trapped 124mph and pulled me around 1 car to 1 1/2 cars.

why would you take compression out of an ls1. and whats with the 1k hp 1 7/8 headers. sounds like you had a poorly set up car. if i spent all that money on a motor and could only beat a low 12 second car by a 1/2 a car i would never pick up a wrench again.

if you think 9.90 at 140mph in a full street car weighing 3900 lbs race weight is weak, then i dont even wanna know what you drive.

iv seen faster on a stock irs, full weight cobra. your buddy's junk dont impress me. i care more about how well the set up works than how much money is dumped into it. id be more impressed by a ported/pullied cobra going 10's full weight on an irs/6speed. your friends combo should go faster than it does thats why i think its weak.

why would you take compression out of an ls1. and whats with the 1k hp 1 7/8 headers. sounds like you had a poorly set up car. if i spent all that money on a motor and could only beat a low 12 second car by a 1/2 a car i would never pick up a wrench again.

did u even read a god damn thing i said buddy. BOTH WERE ROLL RACES. It was a supra that trapped 118 mph. And what do we know about supras. They are terrible 1/4 mile cars. The 11.8 car i pulled by more then i beat the supra, also lost to the supra. As far as the compression, it had valve reliefs in the pistons which is what lowered compression. I was in the process of getting a set of cylinder heads to run 12:1 cr. And i dont know about you, but i dont know of many cam only setup gtos that can outrun 118 mph cars. Considering i beat every other cam only f body in my area with a pig of a gto. I also raced a friends AFR 205/ cammed, bolt on GTO and was side by side. Now idk about you. But i would be pretty damn proud to have an NA setup car with unported 241s and 9.8cr run dead even with another na version running afr 205s and 11.0 cr. Before you open your mouth and try and tell me i dont know how to setup a car, you should actually read.

another example of the money/1/4mile ratio. Lets say you had a dead stock f body. Your choices would be to run an n/a build or a procharger build. Either way your gonna go fast. Lets say a procharger kit costs 5k to completely bolt up including fuel system. Lets say a basic H/C car costs 4k with all necessary supporting mods to use the heads and cam. 9 times out of 10 the procharged version is going to be faster then the basic h/c (assuming the procharged car is running a decent amount of boost). Now knowing the procharged car makes more hp, it is going to cost you far far far more then 5k to build an n/a car that will out run that procharged car. I know this is a very rough analogy but its the same principle as the kb/whipple vs eaton. The less power your car makes, the more money you have to put else where into the car to make it out run a car with higher hp. Anyway. Im not trying to start an arguement or a who has the bigger e-dick battle. But it will always cost more money to go faster with less hp(assuming same car).

its a poor analogy because a ported eaton costs 500 bucks and a big twin screw is 5 grand. spend that 4500 bucks where it counts and you got a faster car. then you can toss a bottle on the eaton car and its lights out twin screw.

did u even read a god damn thing i said buddy. BOTH WERE ROLL RACES. It was a supra that trapped 119 mph. And what do we know about supras. They are terrible 1/4 mile cars. The 11.8 car i pulled by more then i beat the supra, also lost to the supra. As far as the compression, it had valve reliefs in the pistons which is what lowered compression. I was in the process of getting a set of cylinder heads to run 12:1 cr. And i dont know about you, but i dont know of many cam only setup gtos that can outrun 119 mph cars. Considering i beat every other cam only f body in my area with a pig of a gto. I also raced a friends AFR 205/ cammed, bolt on GTO and was side by side. Now idk about you. But i would be pretty damn proud to have an NA setup car with unported 241s and 9.8cr run dead even with another na version running afr 205s and 11.0 cr. Before you open your mouth and try and tell me i dont know how to setup a car, you should actually read.

all im reading is finger taping about beating up on some slow junk. if you can justify building a motor to go slow than congrats.

All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.

all im reading is finger taping about beating up on some slow junk. if you can justify building a motor to go slow than congrats.

i notice your local to this area. Would you be interested in racing this slow junk of a 3.4 whipple or maybe a really slow junk box H/C camaro? Im very curious to see what it is that you drive considering a 9 second car is slow to you. I like cobras even though im chevy biast... i always have.. But people like you are the reason i will never own one.

All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.

If i know nothing sir then please enlighten me.... go ahead... im waiting. You have had something to say about everything i post whether its a video or whatever the case may be.

The only eaton cobra to beat me VS the Supra I beat.
Cobra = 11.3 at 124mph Supra = 12.2 at 118mph
Second race cobras sprays 50 shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRqbX8zW1w

Me VS That Supra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTi1Qb-kP0

Same Eaton Cobra VS Bolton 75 shot Z28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3cVF-pxk0o

My first setup vs Ported/pullied cobra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzEf8Yd8D38

My First setup vs E55 AMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgfiUx2eCo&feature=channel

My second setup vs 01 Saleen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08xG5erUnrs
(mods to both cars in video description)

lemons12: How does a 6.0 with 317s and an MS4 equal a cam only LS1!?

Surely the Cobra should have won that race. But that bad, that quickly, with the Cobra in the wrong gear?

Something was/is wrong with the Camaro, plain and simple.

If i know nothing sir then please enlighten me.... go ahead... im waiting. You have had something to say about everything i post whether its a video or whatever the case may be.

I honestly wouldn't know where to start with you. It could be you claiming a stock LS1 F-body weighs between 3200lbs and 3300lbs or the fact that you think if you have less rwhp than another car you instantly have to dump more money into your car to make it faster. Oh and there is MUCH more, thats just the first things that come to mind.

The only eaton cobra to beat me VS the Supra I beat.
Cobra = 11.3 at 124mph Supra = 12.2 at 118mph
Second race cobras sprays 50 shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noRqbX8zW1w

Me VS That Supra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsTi1Qb-kP0

Same Eaton Cobra VS Bolton 75 shot Z28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3cVF-pxk0o

My first setup vs Ported/pullied cobra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzEf8Yd8D38

My First setup vs E55 AMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvgfiUx2eCo&feature=channel

My second setup vs 01 Saleen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08xG5erUnrs
(mods to both cars in video description)

Where are the fast cars?

i notice your local to this area. Would you be interested in racing this slow junk of a 3.4 whipple or maybe a really slow junk box H/C camaro? Im very curious to see what it is that you drive considering a 9 second car is slow to you. I like cobras even though im chevy biast... i always have.. But people like you are the reason i will never own one.

whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.

I honestly wouldn't know where to start with you. It could be you claiming a stock LS1 F-body weighs between 3200lbs and 3300lbs or the fact that you think if you have less rwhp than another car you instantly have to dump more money into your car to make it faster. Oh and there is MUCH more, thats just the first things that come to mind.

lol im done with you.

whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.

Way to use the same insult as me... originality at its finest. Local to your area is about 20 minutes from Dez.

Way to use the same insult as me... originality at its finest. Local to your area is about 20 minutes from Dez.

im an hour from dez so its not that local but not out of the question to get a few runs in. send me a pm come spring.

A local Cobra runs a 2.3 whipple running 19lbs of boost. He put down 627 rwhp and 628 tq. His best at the track is a 11.4 @ 122mph. Car has a cage, solid axle 9" and gobs of other shit. Keep in mind our track is @ 2400' elevation and we dont see much better than 3000' DA. Here is a link to the car

That's flat out pathetic. I race at a DA of 2500' usually. He's about a
second off pace and he's down 10-13mph.

im an hour from dez so its not that local but not out of the question to get a few runs in. send me a pm come spring.

Will do.... and im not sure how much experience you have had building ls based motors but, 1 7/8 headers are proven to make more power over 1 3/4 even on a stock ls1. Been tested over and over again.

He missed no gears, like you said it is an A4..

I'm glad you know how fast the Cobra is.. The guy in the camaro is a buddy of ours also.. I helped put the parts together and swap the engine.. He was racing and it is a 6.0l.
Don't disrespect me by saying he was racing on 4 cylinders or wasn't racing.

Just because it has an ms4 cam and a 6.0l doesn't mean it is the end to all things. Ported Cobras (especially TJs) is not one you should take lightly from a roll.. In that case, was I running on 4 cylinders when I ran him about 2 hours before that race and lost?

I knew someone would bring up some BS like he wasn't racing or the car is a turd, etc etc etc.. Cracks me up because this is what happens when a properly set up pullied Cobra races an average cam only ls1.. Just some of the videos people post up on here aren't as accurate as they lead them to be.

Between being a full-weight camaro with, I'm assuming by his use of truck heads, an iron 6.0L block adding more weight, with low compression, and being an automatic, I'd expect him to lose. Not by that much though. How come noone has brought up the possibility of the camaro spinning? Did I miss someone saying he didn't spin at all?

that cobra would get walked by a stock ZO6 = slow...sorry:engarde: ok ok...i kid

Not walked, but I bet you it would have been a closer race, based on how bad the camaro lost.

id hope you were kidding....im livin proof of that statement!:emb:

Don't talk down your Z! ;)

Not saying the Cobra couldnt win the race in a normal situation but it looked to me like that Cobra would out-trap that Camaro by atleast 15mph as hard as he was pulling. Does this Camaro only trap 105-110??? If so then that is weak as shit because I know that Cobra couldnt be trappin more than 122-125 with his mods. I know thats just bench racing but that Camaro must be slow as hell to get yanked that hard.....

Yea, I was also wondering, what are the details on that stall? The manufacturer and STR will make a huge difference from the roll.

my junk went 124 with a pulley a bunch of times. still just a slow ass cobra :(
edit.. just so its clear it was full weight, stock irs, stock clutch on 17" et street radials. we got some good air up here in the northeast tho. on that note its never failed to trap over 121 on a clean run even in the july heat. i just got me a good set up with a kick ass tuner.

Sick mph, what pulley combo were you using and do you know what the temp was that day?

I am far from being "worked up" in any sense.. This is built up from every Cobra/ls1 discussion and it gets OLD!!! It would be just the same if it was with any other brand of car, it just happens to be a Cobra.

Would I have a Cobra? Hell yes I would. Over a Zo6? Probably not... Doesn't change the fact that a pullied Cobra will walk all over an average cam only or even some H/C cars, especially stalled autos. 6 speeds are a totally different ball.. A properly set up 6 speed H/C fbody should pull a pullied Cobra, a cam only one would be a good race with the Cobra having the edge.

FWIW, I will post a vid of an fbody walking all over the Cobra shortly.. Dig and a roll. :) Maybe that will make you guys feel better? :lol:

Eh everything in this post is very generalized and subject to all sorts of stipulations. I had an '98 Z28 A4 stock heads/cam/intake/stall that beat a presumeably stock terminator over and over again from a 60 roll with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. Needless to say, I REALLY enjoyed that.

:lol: Guess I should have said Cobra playing around!

Tullahoma area.. We go to Huntsville for the track. You near us?

So, you are aware that Eatons are in the 9s@130+mph also then, correct?

What are your mods?

And you don't have too much reading comprehension. I didn't say it was a basic Cobra, I asked since when is a car that traps 120+mph basic. That is not the "norm" for a street car, not by any means.

There are roughly TWO eatons in the 9's, only one of which isn't using nitrous. There are more h/c fbodys in the 9's than there are eaton cobras, not that it really matters I suppose.

Given your definition, my "basic Cobra" went 11.20's.

Let's see where your wealth of knowledge comes from...

Ummm...yeah...ok.

Well it's tough to say. I think it's harder to find a stock Cobra than it is to find a modded one. Basic is totally subjective and doesn't even make sense with any of this so we should probably try and be a little more detailed.

Not quite sure where your coming from saying "ummm... yeah... ok". Is that sarcasm for "bullshit you have never touched a cobra motor before"?

I agree, that was uncalled for. Do you want us to start claiming bullshit on your ET's, or saying that you don't know how to drive a car, Unit? Of course not, noone wants a shit-show.

Who cares about trap speed? :confused:

I went 11.20's with a catback, a cold air kit, an upper pulley, nittos, and
a tune. That's about as "basic" as it gets for a '03 Cobra. But I'm sure
you know what they are capable of given your experience.

Sick, that's really getting it done. That's less than four tenths away from the fastest unported eaton irs/6speed I've ever heard of.

Ask Jake at at modularfords (or dynotune). I think you'll be surprised. :nod:

Jake has spent plenty of time AND money on his setup. No surprise.

You would be surprised how many people care about mph. And 11.20s just shows you can drive the car to its full potential and also grab a good amount of traction.

Yea, better than the average Cobra driver if you ask me. Reminds of the saying, "Better than your average bear." for some reason.

Who agreed with you that it was less money doing it with a KB than an Eation? ESPECIALLY in your example.

Just go back and quote/answer our questions, I am curious to your answers.

Less money to go how fast exactly? Any stipulations? The factors that could come into play are huge. The deciding factor is exactly how fast you want to go.

you are gonna spend just as much money doing it with an eaton then with a kb or whipple. the money you need to spend to run 9's safely and consistantly isnt going to change. and to be honest a stalled auto, 3.4 whipple and a SRA is kinda weak in my opinion.

What exactly do you mean by weak in your opinion? I'm just confused as to what you're actually trying to say.

another example of the money/1/4mile ratio. Lets say you had a dead stock f body. Your choices would be to run an n/a build or a procharger build. Either way your gonna go fast. Lets say a procharger kit costs 5k to completely bolt up including fuel system. Lets say a basic H/C car costs 4k with all necessary supporting mods to use the heads and cam. 9 times out of 10 the procharged version is going to be faster then the basic h/c (assuming the procharged car is running a decent amount of boost). Now knowing the procharged car makes more hp, it is going to cost you far far far more then 5k to build an n/a car that will out run that procharged car. I know this is a very rough analogy but its the same principle as the kb/whipple vs eaton. The less power your car makes, the more money you have to put else where into the car to make it out run a car with higher hp. Anyway. Im not trying to start an arguement or a who has the bigger e-dick battle. But it will always cost more money to go faster with less hp(assuming same car).

Bigger e-dick = hilarious

why would you take compression out of an ls1. and whats with the 1k hp 1 7/8 headers. sounds like you had a poorly set up car. if i spent all that money on a motor and could only beat a low 12 second car by a 1/2 a car i would never pick up a wrench again.

Actually the 1-7/8 headers are the way to go on that motor. The Cobra motors are a little different and actually like a little back-pressure so you don't go as big, but a high-strung LS motor loves all the room it can get to breath. I don't think he ever mentioned how much he spent. Moving on...

iv seen faster on a stock irs, full weight cobra. your buddy's junk dont impress me. i care more about how well the set up works than how much money is dumped into it. id be more impressed by a ported/pullied cobra going 10's full weight on an irs/6speed. your friends combo should go faster than it does thats why i think its weak.

On youtube? I'm going to go ahead and throw out my once-per-thread BULLSHIT flag. You've never seen a STOCK IRS go 9's at 140+. You would be using the stock halfshafts for...well for nothing, after you launched they would be good for nothing. Not only that, I just don't think anyone would be intelligent enough to attempt to put that kind of power to the stock halfshafts. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. So there it is, my one and only BS flag for this thread.

its a poor analogy because a ported eaton costs 500 bucks and a big twin screw is 5 grand. spend that 4500 bucks where it counts and you got a faster car. then you can toss a bottle on the eaton car and its lights out twin screw.

Eh 500+ for a real porting, including shipping. How much for a fully ported eaton and plenum and throttlebody? Try around $800. Check here http://www.lethalperformance.com/03-04-svt-cobra-stiegemeier-ported-blowers-c-16_924/stiegemeier-supercharger-porting-and-repair-service-p-4232 Twin-screw for 5 grand? Check here: http://www.lethalperformance.com/supercharger-upgrades-supercharger-kits-whipple-2-3l-w140ax-c-16_273_276_3743_3744 Try $3,500.

All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.

That's what I thought too, 10 years ago when I owned a '94 5.0L.

lemons12: How does a 6.0 with 317s and an MS4 equal a cam only LS1!?

Surely the Cobra should have won that race. But that bad, that quickly, with the Cobra in the wrong gear?

Something was/is wrong with the Camaro, plain and simple.

Agreed, you've got an 18 ci advantage over a stock ls1. The heads aren't impressive and you've got an iron block, but still. Maybe the camaro has 2.73 gears? Now that's thinking outside of the box!

Where are the fast cars?

Not in your sig.

whats local to the area. my junk is parked for the winter maybe next year. i said im not impressed by the whipple cobras times. its not slow but its not as fast as it should be. i live chevys but people like you give them a bad name.

How fast should it be?

If you defend Cobras, why do you keep calling yours junk? Have some self-respect, geez!

cobras are slow. all of them . i call bs in this thread and video. it was all computer generated.

I agree with this guy there is no way a cobra is capable of this....i would have to see it to believe it :corn::D

the only reason he pulled hard on me was becuz the road was wet NOT DAMP and i spun my ass off, the cobra has nittos and i have 8"wide dryrotted tires so he can say wtf ever, plus my stall doesnt work becuz its for a truck but doesnt matter cuz it was wet, that video was from a 30 roll and we did it again from 40mph and i still spun. its ok he lemons12 got spanked by that cobra to :) and he hooked

Will do.... and im not sure how much experience you have had building ls based motors but, 1 7/8 headers are proven to make more power over 1 3/4 even on a stock ls1. Been tested over and over again.

peak power is over rated. 1 3/4 headers will have better mid-range. 1 7/8 might make a bit more peak but its not gonna make the car any faster.

Race at the track, and vid it. roll races are for ricers and people who can't drive!!!

Between being a full-weight camaro with, I'm assuming by his use of truck heads, an iron 6.0L block adding more weight, with low compression, and being an automatic, I'd expect him to lose. Not by that much though. How come noone has brought up the possibility of the camaro spinning? Did I miss someone saying he didn't spin at all?



Not walked, but I bet you it would have been a closer race, based on how bad the camaro lost.



Don't talk down your Z! ;)



Yea, I was also wondering, what are the details on that stall? The manufacturer and STR will make a huge difference from the roll.



Sick mph, what pulley combo were you using and do you know what the temp was that day?



Eh everything in this post is very generalized and subject to all sorts of stipulations. I had an '98 Z28 A4 stock heads/cam/intake/stall that beat a presumeably stock terminator over and over again from a 60 roll with his girlfriend in the passenger seat. Needless to say, I REALLY enjoyed that.



There are roughly TWO eatons in the 9's, only one of which isn't using nitrous. There are more h/c fbodys in the 9's than there are eaton cobras, not that it really matters I suppose.



Well it's tough to say. I think it's harder to find a stock Cobra than it is to find a modded one. Basic is totally subjective and doesn't even make sense with any of this so we should probably try and be a little more detailed.



I agree, that was uncalled for. Do you want us to start claiming bullshit on your ET's, or saying that you don't know how to drive a car, Unit? Of course not, noone wants a shit-show.



Sick, that's really getting it done. That's less than four tenths away from the fastest unported eaton irs/6speed I've ever heard of.



Jake has spent plenty of time AND money on his setup. No surprise.



Yea, better than the average Cobra driver if you ask me. Reminds of the saying, "Better than your average bear." for some reason.



Less money to go how fast exactly? Any stipulations? The factors that could come into play are huge. The deciding factor is exactly how fast you want to go.



What exactly do you mean by weak in your opinion? I'm just confused as to what you're actually trying to say.



Bigger e-dick = hilarious



Actually the 1-7/8 headers are the way to go on that motor. The Cobra motors are a little different and actually like a little back-pressure so you don't go as big, but a high-strung LS motor loves all the room it can get to breath. I don't think he ever mentioned how much he spent. Moving on...



On youtube? I'm going to go ahead and throw out my once-per-thread BULLSHIT flag. You've never seen a STOCK IRS go 9's at 140+. You would be using the stock halfshafts for...well for nothing, after you launched they would be good for nothing. Not only that, I just don't think anyone would be intelligent enough to attempt to put that kind of power to the stock halfshafts. I could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time. So there it is, my one and only BS flag for this thread.

i ran a 2.8 upper and its been 124 on days anywhere between 60-80 degrees.

heres the vid. of the kb/spray cobra. full weight, no rollbar, no subframe connectors. kb 2.8, nx, 4r70w and a STOCK IRS. no shafts, no bushings, no brace. car is from canada but it was built and tuned by Dez Racing is Seekonk Ma.
he has broken a stock halfshaft tho leaving on the transbrake and spray. this video was on the footbrake not spraying till 2nd gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aYNViq_8FY

Eh 500+ for a real porting, including shipping. How much for a fully ported eaton and plenum and throttlebody? Try around $800. Check here http://www.lethalperformance.com/03-04-svt-cobra-stiegemeier-ported-blowers-c-16_924/stiegemeier-supercharger-porting-and-repair-service-p-4232 Twin-screw for 5 grand? Check here: http://www.lethalperformance.com/supercharger-upgrades-supercharger-kits-whipple-2-3l-w140ax-c-16_273_276_3743_3744 Try $3,500.



That's what I thought too, 10 years ago when I owned a '94 5.0L.



Agreed, you've got an 18 ci advantage over a stock ls1. The heads aren't impressive and you've got an iron block, but still. Maybe the camaro has 2.73 gears? Now that's thinking outside of the box!



Not in your sig.



How fast should it be?

If you defend Cobras, why do you keep calling yours junk? Have some self-respect, geez!

im not defending them im pretty sure i have called them all junk in this thread. just like mine... JUNK
oh and i paid 500 bucks for my stage 5 port. and we were talkin about the big boy screws not the baby 2.3

the only reason he pulled hard on me was becuz the road was wet NOT DAMP and i spun my ass off, the cobra has nittos and i have 8"wide dryrotted tires so he can say wtf ever, plus my stall doesnt work becuz its for a truck but doesnt matter cuz it was wet, that video was from a 30 roll and we did it again from 40mph and i still spun. its ok he lemons12 got spanked by that cobra to :) and he hooked

makes more sense now

peak power is over rated. 1 3/4 headers will have better mid-range. 1 7/8 might make a bit more peak but its not gonna make the car any faster.

You may want to check, but I believe the 1-7/8's make the same midrange and just more peak. They don't concede anything to the 1-3/4's.

i ran a 2.8 upper and its been 124 on days anywhere between 60-80 degrees.

heres the vid. of the kb/spray cobra. full weight, no rollbar, no subframe connectors. kb 2.8, nx, 4r70w and a STOCK IRS. no shafts, no bushings, no brace. car is from canada but it was built and tuned by Dez Racing is Seekonk Ma.
he has broken a stock halfshaft tho leaving on the transbrake and spray. this video was on the footbrake not spraying till 2nd gear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aYNViq_8FY

That's unbelievable. I guess the automatic with the 3800 stall and the bias-ply tires and not hitting the juice off the line saved his half-shafts. I suppose I won't make a big deal out of the eibach springs in the rear, although you could probably argue it's not longer a stock IRS based on that fact. Simply amazing though, I just wish whoever was recording could have gotten his time on film. If I'm not mistaken he's going to be switching to an SRA next year. I guess with enough power you can go as fast as you want.

im not defending them im pretty sure i have called them all junk in this thread. just like mine... JUNK
oh and i paid 500 bucks for my stage 5 port. and we were talkin about the big boy screws not the baby 2.3

the baddest of the big boys costs $3,700:

http://www.lethalperformance.com/supercharger-upgrades-supercharger-kits-whipple-3-4l-w210ax-c-16_273_276_3743_3745

the only reason he pulled hard on me was becuz the road was wet NOT DAMP and i spun my ass off, the cobra has nittos and i have 8"wide dryrotted tires so he can say wtf ever, plus my stall doesnt work becuz its for a truck but doesnt matter cuz it was wet, that video was from a 30 roll and we did it again from 40mph and i still spun. its ok he lemons12 got spanked by that cobra to :) and he hooked

So it was only wet in your lane?:engarde:

All I can say is WOW evangto87 has no idea what he is talking about.

:nod:!!!!

lemons12: How does a 6.0 with 317s and an MS4 equal a cam only LS1!?

Surely the Cobra should have won that race. But that bad, that quickly, with the Cobra in the wrong gear?

Something was/is wrong with the Camaro, plain and simple.

His race weight is a tad over 3700 lbs.. The 6.0 is making minimal to no HP gains over the 346... We put down withing 7Rwhp on the same dyno when I had almost the same setup.. His intake is ported MUCH better than mine was though.. His TQ was around 12 higher. But the weight TOTALLY offsets any of those gains. 317s definitely are better, but we are talking 15rwhp max.

Nothing is wrong with the camaro.. It got what it had coming.. And will with me as soon as he mans up and backs up anything he has been running his mouth about.

the only reason he pulled hard on me was becuz the road was wet NOT DAMP and i spun my ass off, the cobra has nittos and i have 8"wide dryrotted tires so he can say wtf ever, plus my stall doesnt work becuz its for a truck but doesnt matter cuz it was wet, that video was from a 30 roll and we did it again from 40mph and i still spun. its ok he lemons12 got spanked by that cobra to :) and he hooked

Did you spin? Yes, bad enough to change the outcome dramatically? No... You have to remember TJ also was in third gear... Every race we did was from 40mph..
Got spanked? 1 1/2 cars is getting spanked, remember he started in the correct gear with me also? We will see what happens at the track, or from a roll with me spraying..

So it was only wet in your lane?:engarde:

Ding ding ding...

Yup, Lemons i am. This is kenny. :D my shop isnt far from there. As for the folks not caring on trap speed, All i care about is trap speed, when you street race trap speed is your number one worry. My truck at the track was a turd, But on the street it ran really good. mph at track was a 92mph spinning with a blown headgasket, but had a shitty 1/8th time 8.21 been about 3 years ago though. Need to get the truck back together:(

Yup, Lemons i am. This is kenny. :D my shop isnt far from there. As for the folks not caring on trap speed, All i care about is trap speed, when you street race trap speed is your number one worry. My truck at the track was a turd, But on the street it ran really good. mph at track was a 92mph spinning with a blown headgasket, but had a shitty 1/8th time 8.21 been about 3 years ago though. Need to get the truck back together:(

What up man.

Trap speed is a VERY good indication of which car will win in a roll race.

Take this for example though..

My old Trans Am- Trap speed 95.5mph spinning through the sixty just a tad (not enough to make too much of a difference in MPH just et)
Tjs Cobra- 89.5mph (old setup)

Our race was a VERY close.. I did pull on him, no doubt about that.. But it was not ugly by any means.. The lower we went the worse it got (for him), but from a 55 roll (so he didnt have to shift into 3rd) to around 125mph I only pulled around 3/4-1 car on him..

It can usually tell who will win.. And it did in that instance also, but a 95.5mph racing an 89.5 mph the outcome should have been way different.. Racing stalled a4s against manuals... Well we will just say one has a HUGE advantage..
And I do care about trap speeds.. But IMO 60' and ET tell more than the trap speed.

:Got spanked? 1 1/2 cars is getting spanked, remember he started in the correct gear with me also? We will see what happens at the track, or from a roll with me spraying..



...

not arguin down anything youve posted...i think there has been some damn good debate of knowledge...lol or to sum LACK THERE OF. Anyway you say 1 1/2 is a spankin...i find that subjective. 1 1/2 cars in what:confused: ...the 1320??...roll racin 40-120??...55-140??...half mile?? one mile??...see where im going with this....

not arguin down anything youve posted...i think there has been some damn good debate of knowledge...lol or to sum LACK THERE OF. Anyway you say 1 1/2 is a spankin...i find that subjective. 1 1/2 cars in what:confused: ...the 1320??...roll racin 40-120??...55-140??...half mile?? one mile??...see where im going with this....

Guess I was worded that incorrectly.. I was meaning that it was not getting "spanked". TJ definitely pulled on me, and pulled at a pretty steady space no doubt. But it was no where near as ugly as the race I posted. I do see where you are coming from.. I honestly don't know what we did in our race, was a spur of the moment and was worried about watching other cars (none close but more paying attention for cops).

I have been irritated with the kid in the camaro for quite a few months now (Derek91rs) so just about anything he posted up I would have had something to say about.. All is good now though, it was handled tonight.

the baddest of the big boys costs $3,700:

http://www.lethalperformance.com/supercharger-upgrades-supercharger-kits-whipple-3-4l-w210ax-c-16_273_276_3743_3745

In fairness, it's going to cost a lot more than $3,700 considering all the
supporting mods to run a 3.4L Whipple...but...he did say it was 5 grand
for a big blower, which isn't the case. That's actually a very reasonable
price for a quality blower than can result in that kind of power.

Yup, Lemons i am. This is kenny. :D my shop isnt far from there. As for the folks not caring on trap speed, All i care about is trap speed, when you street race trap speed is your number one worry.



Trap speed is a VERY good indication of which car will win in a roll race.

Take this for example though..




[QUOTE=evangto87;12457335]
and typically in roll racing, the winning car is usually the car that has the higher mph at the track NOT et. From a dig is obviously a total different story.[/QOUTE]

So im curious as to why when I SAID THE SAME THING, i was simply told i know nothing....

peak power is over rated. 1 3/4 headers will have better mid-range. 1 7/8 might make a bit more peak but its not gonna make the car any faster.

1 3/4 vs 1 7/8 battle has went on over and over again..... 1 7/8 make more power throughout the band. They may loose a few ft lbs down low(under 1500rpm). Your statement is arguing with fact.

boy you sure got yourself into some trouble huh Evan? lol i love the internet its so entertaining, why dont you all take out the tape measure and see if you gained a few inches.

heres my opinion on the cobra debate, its a Ford. /thread

back to the OP, im sure if they raced from a dig the camaro would of had a much better chance even though the cobra over powered it by a long shot. theres plenty of videos of low powered stalled autos WALKING away on 500+ horsepower 6 speed cars.

boy you sure got yourself into some trouble huh Evan? lol i love the internet its so entertaining, why dont you all take out the tape measure and see if you gained a few inches.

heres my opinion on the cobra debate, its a Ford. /thread

back to the OP, im sure if they raced from a dig the camaro would of had a much better chance even though the cobra over powered it by a long shot. theres plenty of videos of low powered stalled autos WALKING away on 500+ horsepower 6 speed cars.

+9999999999 on this being a ford thread lol.

And wait lower hp cars can beat higher hp cars...... no way!! its just not possible. Hp is the only thing that matters in a race lol. O man i cant even think that with a straight face. nvm try and type it

of course its all that matters, since theres so many 300RWHP F bods running in the 11's and 600RWHP cobras running high 12's... lol

meh what do i know since i use 1 7/8 headers instead of 1 3/4. Only someone who has no clue what they are doing would do something like that. Jeez i should probably listen to guys who run eaton 281ci motors since they know far more then me about building na 347ci motors. Damn i should probably sign up with a cobra forum to get more outstanding information on my build.

i personally would sign up to a DSM forum for some 347 advice i have seen good words on there, considering they have 1 liters they should know there stuff about a 5.7

lol this shit is funny..

isnt it? this is perfect for being home sick out of work, we need more threads like this

we need to find joe a race.... this thread sounds like it might have plenty of candidates for the task. It is slow after all.. last eaton cobra it raced he put 4 cars on and that was a ported/pullied/nitrous cobra. Its just an N/A 347, it cant be that fast. After all, we dont know what we are doing.

And damn you for selling your car. Shoulda just put a good trans, rear end, intake and some cylinder head on it and would have been a solid 10 second runner all day. Bastard

hey man some have priorties, i crashed my awesome caddy and i need a reliable year long driver.

plus, how long do youll think ill last all summer without a muscle car? ill most likely put myself back in debt and buy another one lol.

I actually posted a thread in the eastern section looking for a race with joe.

you have lost your mind dude.. isnt his car fucked up? this thread is sooooo off topic lol

you have lost your mind dude.. isnt his car fucked up? this thread is sooooo off topic lol

nah his cars fine. Just needed a new axle.

boy you sure got yourself into some trouble huh Evan? lol i love the internet its so entertaining, why dont you all take out the tape measure and see if you gained a few inches.

heres my opinion on the cobra debate, its a Ford. /thread

back to the OP, im sure if they raced from a dig the camaro would of had a much better chance even though the cobra over powered it by a long shot. theres plenty of videos of low powered stalled autos WALKING away on 500+ horsepower 6 speed cars.

We already knew what would happen from a dig.. TJ (the Cobra) would have drug him before the pulley/tune.

Just because you guys have raced a few Cobras that don't run they should, doesn't mean they all don't.

No matter what the race stipulations are, TJ will drag the Z28..

i havent raced any cobras lemons, im not that stupid with my 115 mph 105,000 mile camaro, lol.

i havent raced any cobras lemons, im not that stupid with my 115 mph 105,000 mile camaro, lol.

Ahhh, don't worry about the stock ones.. They aren't too much of a threat. As you can see thought full bolt ons and a pulley make a bit of a difference.

dont get me wrong dude, if i had some slicks id dig one all day long. but around here that doesnt happen much. lots of ford love AND hate in my blood.

Damn there's a lot of shit talking going on in here...by guys with slow cars too.
I consider my car slow and it traps 15-20mph more in the 1/4 mile than most of
your cars. Note that you guys are a bunch of roll ricers...I mean roll racers...so I referred
to trap speed. :D

not everyone has 20+ thousand dollars for a built cobra my man.

just to continue the off topic talking, going through your posts from 2007 till now nearly all of your threads are ford related, i understand this is a really good forum but why the hell do you post about fords ALL the time? its LS1TECH, not COBRATECH. just wanted to mention that.

not everyone has 20+ thousand dollars for a built cobra my man.

But everyone runs their mouth like they do.

BTW...I was 4 tenths quicker and 6mph faster in the 1/4 with my LS1 than yours...and I only
had $800 in mods. Talk to someone else about going fast on a budget.


just to continue the off topic talking, going through your posts from 2007 till now nearly all of your threads are ford related, i understand this is a really good forum but why the hell do you post about fords ALL the time? its LS1TECH, not COBRATECH. just wanted to mention that.

Apparently you're not very good at research. Keep looking and you'll find
your answer.

I guess that means clarkys 9.90 cobra is a rice car too because he roll races lol. Same with steves RX7. Steve only has the fastest trapping 2 rotor gt35r turbo rx7 in the US. Hes definately a ricer. O well. What do us ricers know.... nothing about cars... thats for sure.

there was no research done, i looked at the first and second page.

what was your 800 dollars in mods? a nitrous kit? enlighten my young virgin brain dude. i could of easily done the same thing...

i could of easily done the same thing...

But you didn't. "Could of" is irrelevant. I could've bought a ZR1 this year too.

But everyone runs their mouth like they do.

BTW...I was 4 tenths quicker and 6mph faster in the 1/4 with my LS1 than yours...and I only
had $800 in mods. Talk to someone else about going fast on a budget.



Apparently you're not very good at research. Keep looking and you'll find
your answer.

What the hell are you talking about "running our mouths"? Not one of us has said anything in terms of our cars being faster then any of yours. In fact. If anyone has been doing any "mouth running", its you cobra guys that say 9.90 is weak. Christ. And honestly beating 4 out of 5 pullied/bolt on etc cobras with a cam only GTO is something I'm actually quite proud of because i know how fast cobras can be and i know how slow cammed GTOs can be. I never stated i thought i had a "FAST" car. The term "FAST" is all relative to the average of what the setup does at the track and/or street. So lets say the average cam only GTO goes 12.2 at 114mph and my cam only GTO goes 11.7 at 118mph. That in relativity is a "FAST" cam only GTO. And whose to say I was done with the car anyway. I accomplished my goal for it being cam only(even though it never made it to the track) and now I'm moving on to full out N/A setup (solid roller, 7800rpm, etc, etc). The cobra that went 9.90 at 140mph has made under 10 passes at the track with the whipple 3.4 on it. So I'm extremely impressed with it thus far. No one hear is "running mouths" and neither should you.

I guess that means clarkys 9.90 cobra is a rice car too because he roll races lol. Same with steves RX7. Steve only has the fastest trapping 2 rotor gt35r turbo rx7 in the US. Hes definately a ricer. O well. What do us ricers know.... nothing about cars... thats for sure.

The difference is that you're talking about trap speed and how you haven't
been to the track...and your boy is running 9.90's. Big difference.

...nice touch BTW talking about other people's cars and not your own.
Everyone has a friend of a friend with a fast car. Shit, my best friend
has one of the fastest Outlaw cars in the world. You know what that
does for me? Nothing.

But you didn't. "Could of" is irrelevant. I could've bought a ZR1 this year too.

So basically everything you have said about eaton cobras is irrelavent because you dont have one?? If the eaton was the go faster/for cheaper blower of choice, why do you have kb? It sounds like your ragging on him because you went faster with nitrous, when if you look at his mods and what his car is, you will see is pretty damn good for his mph and et considering he made 3 passes on bald tires. And if you could honestly afford a zr-1 then i feel sorry for you that your only going 15mph faster then me with a KB cobra. If i had your money, i would be circling the moon with my car right now.

exactly, i didnt, i dont want nitrous, i wanted a cam. so i got one, so where does you being faster with your first ls1 come into play? since your a ford junkie now i guess it doesnt matter.

Im the guy with the cobra.... it had probley been sprinkling rain for 15 secs prior to the race....it didnt make a major diff. in traction for me...i could tell the camaro spun a little....i think he would have spun without the sprinkle though. i was starting off in 3rd around 30(for traction purposes) so my car was by no means in its strong point but it makes gobs of torque. now when me and lemons raced that night.... i was in 3rd at around 45-50(for traction) we ran up to about 90 and i was 1 1/2-2 cars ahead. which i guess i pulled pretty hard for such a quick run but thats to be expected given the setups. i think it will be a good run from a dig at the track both on slicks in the 1/8 mile. dereks car( one i raced) needs a better stall for sure but shouldnt make a big differance from a roll. i beleive he traps 88 mph with the current stall. anyway my car will be in the 100 mph trap range so until someone puts on the bottle this is to be expected. BUT i plan on putting a bottle on as well :devil: .

Im the guy with the cobra.... it had probley been sprinkling rain for 15 secs prior to the race....it didnt make a major diff. in traction for me...i could tell the camaro spun a little....i think he would have spun without the sprinkle though. i was starting off in 3rd around 30(for traction purposes) so my car was by no means in its strong point but it makes gobs of torque. now when me and lemons raced that night.... i was in 3rd at around 45-50(for traction) we ran up to about 90 and i was 1 1/2-2 cars ahead. which i guess i pulled pretty hard for such a quick run but thats to be expected given the setups. i think it will be a good run from a dig at the track both on slicks in the 1/8 mile. dereks car( one i raced) needs a better stall for sure but shouldnt make a big differance from a roll. i beleive he traps 88 mph with the current stall. anyway my car will be in the 100 mph trap range so until someone puts on the bottle this is to be expected. BUT i plan on putting a bottle on as well :devil: .

What exactly is done to your car?

What exactly is done to your car?

You don't pay attention very well do you. It is in the OP.

You two trying get in it with Unit! :jest:!!!!!!

I think me and you will keep having it out from a roll to see which is faster.. But at the track, especially in the 1/8, its going to be really hard for you to run me down if you end up putting the bottle in.. Mainly just because of my 60ft.. But with the bottle I should be trapping around 105mph anyways. Who knows though..

Lets fight over it. :punch:

:lol:

But you didn't. "Could of" is irrelevant. I could've bought a ZR1 this year too.

isn't that irrelevant then?

What the hell are you talking about "running our mouths"? Not one of us has said anything in terms of our cars being faster then any of yours. In fact. If anyone has been doing any "mouth running", its you cobra guys that say 9.90 is weak. Christ. And honestly beating 4 out of 5 pullied/bolt on etc cobras with a cam only GTO is something I'm actually quite proud of because i know how fast cobras can be and i know how slow cammed GTOs can be. I never stated i thought i had a "FAST" car. The term "FAST" is all relative to the average of what the setup does at the track and/or street. So lets say the average cam only GTO goes 12.2 at 114mph and my cam only GTO goes 11.7 at 118mph. That in relativity is a "FAST" cam only GTO. And whose to say I was done with the car anyway. I accomplished my goal for it being cam only(even though it never made it to the track) and now I'm moving on to full out N/A setup (solid roller, 7800rpm, etc, etc). The cobra that went 9.90 at 140mph has made under 10 passes at the track with the whipple 3.4 on it. So I'm extremely impressed with it thus far. No one hear is "running mouths" and neither should you.

who is this guy running 9.90? can we get him in here?

The difference is that you're talking about trap speed and how you haven't
been to the track...and your boy is running 9.90's. Big difference.

...nice touch BTW talking about other people's cars and not your own.
Everyone has a friend of a friend with a fast car. Shit, my best friend
has one of the fastest Outlaw cars in the world. You know what that
does for me? Nothing.

actually, I think that's kinda cool

So basically everything you have said about eaton cobras is irrelavent because you dont have one?? If the eaton was the go faster/for cheaper blower of choice, why do you have kb? It sounds like your ragging on him because you went faster with nitrous, when if you look at his mods and what his car is, you will see is pretty damn good for his mph and et considering he made 3 passes on bald tires. And if you could honestly afford a zr-1 then i feel sorry for you that your only going 15mph faster then me with a KB cobra. If i had your money, i would be circling the moon with my car right now.

I keeled over laughing when I read, "circling the moon" lol

Im the guy with the cobra.... it had probley been sprinkling rain for 15 secs prior to the race....it didnt make a major diff. in traction for me...i could tell the camaro spun a little....i think he would have spun without the sprinkle though. i was starting off in 3rd around 30(for traction purposes) so my car was by no means in its strong point but it makes gobs of torque. now when me and lemons raced that night.... i was in 3rd at around 45-50(for traction) we ran up to about 90 and i was 1 1/2-2 cars ahead. which i guess i pulled pretty hard for such a quick run but thats to be expected given the setups. i think it will be a good run from a dig at the track both on slicks in the 1/8 mile. dereks car( one i raced) needs a better stall for sure but shouldnt make a big differance from a roll. i beleive he traps 88 mph with the current stall. anyway my car will be in the 100 mph trap range so until someone puts on the bottle this is to be expected. BUT i plan on putting a bottle on as well :devil: .

what's so bad about a 3600 Yank stall?

hey kingkiller the post a few pages back about how you read me posting about how i was destroyed by that coabra.....i wasnt talkin down on my car. Truth be told i dont talke about my car much to anybody. Its slow to over half of the people in this forum. But its the fastest thing ive driven(plan to make it faster)...and thats all that matters. I stated that post about my run in b/c it was what it was...an ASS KICKIN!!! 5+ car lengths is a beating

hey kingkiller the post a few pages back about how you read me posting about how i was destroyed by that coabra.....i wasnt talkin down on my car. Truth be told i dont talke about my car much to anybody. Its slow to over half of the people in this forum. But its the fastest thing ive driven(plan to make it faster)...and thats all that matters. I stated that post about my run in b/c it was what it was...an ASS KICKIN!!! 5+ car lengths is a beating

I was just playing. The Z06 IS a very cool car though. Maybe these days you have to be afraid of just about every Cobra on the road, but 5 years ago when it was easier to find a stock Cobra than it was a modified one, C5 Z06s were top dog. They still are incredible performers, especially with some mods. A heads/cam Z06 is a monster. Now the torch has been passed on to the C6 Z.

You don't pay attention very well do you. It is in the OP.

You two trying get in it with Unit! :jest:!!!!!!

I think me and you will keep having it out from a roll to see which is faster.. But at the track, especially in the 1/8, its going to be really hard for you to run me down if you end up putting the bottle in.. Mainly just because of my 60ft.. But with the bottle I should be trapping around 105mph anyways. Who knows though..

Lets fight over it. :punch:

:lol:

I was asking the owner of the vehicle... not you.

I was just playing. The Z06 IS a very cool car though. Maybe these days you have to be afraid of just about every Cobra on the road, but 5 years ago when it was easier to find a stock Cobra than it was a modified one, C5 Z06s were top dog. They still are incredible performers, especially with some mods. A heads/cam Z06 is a monster. Now the torch has been passed on to the C6 Z.

lol sad but tru...i kinda figured you were messin around. speakin of H/C ZO6...my buddy has an 02 ZO6 Afr 205's, G5X3 cam, Fast90/90, CAI (used to be 4.10 gearing) w/ 3.73 gears. We went from a 40 roll and he pulled nothin but 1 1/4 car...2nd time was same result. he was pissed!!! Lol he swapped to the 3.73's and has been dyin to run me again

I was just playing. The Z06 IS a very cool car though. Maybe these days you have to be afraid of just about every Cobra on the road, but 5 years ago when it was easier to find a stock Cobra than it was a modified one, C5 Z06s were top dog. They still are incredible performers, especially with some mods. A heads/cam Z06 is a monster. Now the torch has been passed on to the C6 Z.

Scott turned down a race with Joe today.....Lou wont race him unless its at the track..... We need to find this car a race. I posted in the eastern section looking for a potential race.

lol sad but tru...i kinda figured you were messin around. speakin of H/C ZO6...my buddy has an 02 ZO6 Afr 205's, G5X3 cam, Fast90/90, CAI (used to be 4.10 gearing) w/ 3.73 gears. We went from a 40 roll and he pulled nothin but 1 1/4 car...2nd time was same result. he was pissed!!! Lol he swapped to the 3.73's and has been dyin to run me again

WOW i would be absolutely furious if i could only pull you car by that much with his setup... what did you guys let out at?

This is a video of quite literally the exact same setup in my friends SS racing a stock 04 Z06 with an air intake. The first race the z06 raced a bolt on SS that has went 12.5 at 112. The SS with the AFR 205s and G5X3 with fast etc etc was even down a cylinder in this race (put a push rod through his yella terra rocker, exhaust valve on cylinder 1 was shut the entire time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCWz5GhB77I

WOW i would be absolutely furious if i could only pull you car by that much with his setup... what did you guys let out at?

This is a video of quite literally the exact same setup in my friends ss racing a stock 04 Z06 with an air intake. The first race the z06 raced a bolt ss that has went 12.5 at 112.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCWz5GhB77I

lol damnit ill have to wait til i get home to my laptop before i can see the vid. Im at work on a govt computer. they block vids and shit out:eyes:...but yea our mutal freind ours does work to both of our cars and he called me laughin his off sayin "you got ole boy ALL pissed off! He's wantin to change gears and all kinda shit LOL!!!" i couldnt blame him. i thought it was funny:P...my buddy...DID NOT.

lol damnit ill have to wait til i get home to my laptop before i can see the vid. Im at work on a govt computer. they block vids and shit out:eyes:...but yea our mutal freind ours does work to both of our cars and he called me laughin his off sayin "you got ole boy ALL pissed off! He's wantin to change gears and all kinda shit LOL!!!" i couldnt blame him. i thought it was funny:P...my buddy...DID NOT.

haha yea no offense to his car but either something isnt setup right or he cant drive.. Even though you have to wait to see the video, the SS pulls the z06 like it out traps it by 15mph. Its really not a pretty race. And the SS is a couple hundred pounds heavier too. Im trying to find this SS a race but no one seems to hold up. Hasnt had a close race with any eaton cobra yet. The last ported pullied cobra he raced went home all pissed off because his 16 psi and 50 shot wasnt even a close race for this SS. I will say this SS is running much stronger then your average H/C/I car though.

haha yea no offense to his car but either something isnt setup right or he cant drive.. Even though you have to wait to see the video, the SS pulls the z06 like it out traps it by 15mph. Its really not a pretty race. And the SS is a couple hundred pounds heavier too. Im trying to find this SS a race but no one seems to hold up. Hasnt had a close race with any eaton cobra yet. The last ported pullied cobra he raced went home all pissed off because his 16 psi and 50 shot wasnt even a close race for this SS. I will say this SS is running much stronger then your average H/C/I car though.

funny you mention that it isnt setup right. He bought that car the way it is. (29k mi) He had it dynoed and it did 445-455rwhp?? if i remember correctly. I thought for what is done it shoulda done 460+...

funny you mention that it isnt setup right. He bought that car the way it is. (29k mi) He had it dynoed and it did 445-455rwhp?? if i remember correctly. I thought for what is done it shoulda done 460+...

what kinda dyno was it on? on a mustang dyno, depending on other supporting mods and compression, thats about right. Dyno Jet should be a little stronger. But even still. 445whp shouldnt have an issue pulling away from something 350whp (assuming stock). Sounds like your friend might not be able to drive. Or hes doing something wrong. Is he not reving it maybe? The SS with that setup revs 7000-7100 with 11.1cr

Ok, Ok, Ok Evan...

I'll take out the S10 this weekend... Just let me get my intercooler plumbed

maybe i'll race Joe's SS.



by the way...
COBRA'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!!!
CAMARO'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!
CORVETTE'S ARE verrrrry SLOW!

:corn:

Ok, Ok, Ok Evan...

I'll take out the S10 this weekend... Just let me get my intercooler plumbed

maybe i'll race Joe's SS.



by the way...
COBRA'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!!!
CAMARO'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!
CORVETTE'S ARE verrrrry SLOW!

:corn:

lol kev no just your vette was very slow lol.

By the way, whose silver gto is that in the background of one of your build pics... I heard that guys a tool.

I was asking the owner of the vehicle... not you.

My bad... I forgot that I don't know anything about either one the setups. The reason he didn't say different is because that is what his setup consists of. You are a complete fucking joke.


by the way...
COBRA'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!!!
CAMARO'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!
CORVETTE'S ARE verrrrry SLOW!

:corn:

:stupid:


:lol:

My bad... I forgot that I don't know anything about either one the setups. The reason he didn't say different is because that is what his setup consists of. You are a complete fucking joke.



:stupid:


:lol:

lol im glad i can make u laugh sally. Dont be sore because an s-10 would beat you.

what kinda dyno was it on? on a mustang dyno, depending on other supporting mods and compression, thats about right. Dyno Jet should be a little stronger. But even still. 445whp shouldnt have an issue pulling away from something 350whp (assuming stock). Sounds like your friend might not be able to drive. Or hes doing something wrong. Is he not reving it maybe? The SS with that setup revs 7000-7100 with 11.1cr

no it was on a dyno jet. I havent actually been in the car with him to see him rowin the gears, but he owned a 6sp T/A for 2 years with bolton's before owning his car now. I would consider him on par a driver as me. My and his were done on the same dyno..different days..but same dyno. I laid out 362rwph and 360rwtq. Lol again tho im with you on how he SHOULDA pulled me harder. Hell everyone we told about the race thought he WOULDA pulled me harder. I thought he would of pulled me harder. It just didnt happen. Im not 100% sure on his revs but i believe with a G5x3, he would be shiftin or SHOULD be shiftin around 6600-6900 with power pullin all in between.

lol im glad i can make u laugh sally. Dont be sore because an s-10 would beat you.

You didn't make me laugh, not at all. I think you are a total fucking tool.

Just out of curiosity, what do you run TurboBandit?

no it was on a dyno jet. I havent actually been in the car with him to see him rowin the gears, but he owned a 6sp T/A for 2 years with bolton's before owning his car now. I would consider him on par a driver as me. My and his were done on the same dyno..different days..but same dyno. I laid out 362rwph and 360rwtq. Lol again tho im with you on how he SHOULDA pulled me harder. Hell everyone we told about the race thought he WOULDA pulled me harder. I thought he would of pulled me harder. It just didnt happen. Im not 100% sure on his revs but i believe with a G5x3, he would be shiftin or SHOULD be shiftin around 6600-6900 with power pullin all in between.

Yea the SS runs that cam and revs it out pretty far. Idk i guess just wait and watch the video and you can see what his pull should look like. If he pulled you by only 1 1/4 cars then you wont have an issue pulling him with headers and a decent cam. I dont care what it makes for hp, if it doesnt perform, it doesnt perform ya know.

You didn't make me laugh, not at all. I think you are a total fucking tool.

Just out of curiosity, what do you run TurboBandit?

haha way to not sense my sarcasm. Speaking of comprehension, maybe you should read his sig. Jackass

Daily, i run a Cessna 172 out of Nashua, NH.
ocationally, my 2000 s10 that has some Ford parts, some Dodge parts, and some Chevy parts!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea the SS runs that cam and revs it out pretty far. Idk i guess just wait and watch the video and you can see what his pull should look like. If he pulled you by only 1 1/4 cars then you wont have an issue pulling him with headers and a decent cam. I dont care what it makes for hp, if it doesnt perform, it doesnt perform ya know.

lol just to let you know i DO have headers. LG STREET headers (see sig). yea im instrested to see this vid...gotta wait. you can best believe i will run him again once i have a cam....long while for that though.

haha way to not sense my sarcasm. Speaking of comprehension, maybe you should read his sig. Jackass

Sorry, I didn't hear the sarcasm through the monitor, damn thing doesn't work half the time.

I read his sig, am I missing his times in it?

Just out of curiosity, what do you run TurboBandit?

2000 S10 /// LS1-T56 swap /// 8.8 rear /// T70 Turbo
8psi, hotcam, brip underdrive, ARP rod bolts / head bolts, Ebay turbo, Ebay 38mm wastegate, Mid mount turbo.
My Build/Swap thread

I don't see my answer in there anywhere. Keep trying to be slick and throw out shit like that, it just shows how much you can't comprehend shit and that you are exactly what I have been saying this whole time.

lol just to let you know i DO have headers. LG STREET headers (see sig). yea im instrested to see this vid...gotta wait. you can best believe i will run him again once i have a cam....long while for that though.

Gotcha, wasnt quite sure what LG streets were. You should add headers after that in your sig lol

haha way to not sense my sarcasm. Speaking of comprehension, maybe you should read his sig. Jackass

Yea the SS runs that cam and revs it out pretty far. Idk i guess just wait and watch the video and you can see what his pull should look like. If he pulled you by only 1 1/4 cars then you wont have an issue pulling him with headers and a decent cam. I dont care what it makes for hp, if it doesnt perform, it doesnt perform ya know.

2001 QuickSilver ZO6 LG Street's, Vararam,Power Duct, Corsa Extreme Exhaust, MSD wires, B&M ripper tuned on HP tuners by KK Performance

What was that you were saying again?

Gotcha, wasnt quite sure what LG streets were. You should add headers after that in your sig lol

Well you are obviously the master at anything that has four wheels. Supras/Cobras/Zo6s/GTOS/etc etc etc.. You should have known that, or at least I would imagine you would.

Sorry, I didn't hear the sarcasm through the monitor, damn thing doesn't work half the time.

I read his sig, am I missing his times in it?





I don't see my answer in there anywhere. Keep trying to be slick and throw out shit like that, it just shows how much you can't comprehend shit and that you are exactly what I have been saying this whole time.

Your such a whiny nancy boy. Have you not realized i have moved on from discussing anything with you. I have yet to go off on you about how your such a cobra/forum nutswinger because its not worth wasting my time on such a pointless, childish debate. I'm sorry to say arguing on the internet to someone you will never meet does not add inch's to your dick. So please sir, move on and discuss other things. Im having conversations with other people about other things. I would appreciate if you do not respond. Good day Sally.

Well you are obviously the master at anything that has four wheels. Supras/Cobras/Zo6s/GTOS/etc etc etc.. You should have known that, or at least I would imagine you would.

Evan might not be...

But i'm the master of Honda's.

Take your Camaro, i'll take my Honda.
We both have $5k.... my honda will SPANK your camaro! hahahaha

camaro + full bolt ons > cobra + pulley

Camaro + cobra < Rain

Rainy road + honda > Rainy road + V8 rwd

Damn do any of you guys have jobs? You are on here all day posting some of the most retarded shit I have ever read. How old are you guys, 16? Oh ya and to add to Unit's comments. My dad works on a top fuel dragster so our friend smokes everything.

Damn do any of you guys have jobs? You are on here all day posting some of the most retarded shit I have ever read. How old are you guys, 16? Oh ya and to add to Unit's comments. My dad works on a top fuel dragster so our friend smokes everything.

with that being in your comment...your practically contradicting yourself. Why post at all to come on here to say some shit about a top fuel dragster. That has nothin to do with anything in this thread:secret:

lol damnit ill have to wait til i get home to my laptop before i can see the vid. Im at work on a govt computer. they block vids and shit out:eyes:...but yea our mutal freind ours does work to both of our cars and he called me laughin his off sayin "you got ole boy ALL pissed off! He's wantin to change gears and all kinda shit LOL!!!" i couldnt blame him. i thought it was funny:P...my buddy...DID NOT.

lol

funny you mention that it isnt setup right. He bought that car the way it is. (29k mi) He had it dynoed and it did 445-455rwhp?? if i remember correctly. I thought for what is done it shoulda done 460+...

sounds like he's in the right range power-wise

Ok, Ok, Ok Evan...

I'll take out the S10 this weekend... Just let me ge
t my intercooler plumbed

maybe i'll race Joe's SS.



by the way...
COBRA'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!!!
CAMARO'S ARE SLOW!!!!!!!
CORVETTE'S ARE verrrrry SLOW!

:corn:

maybe if your vette had been faster you'd still have it :-P

Daily, i run a Cessna 172 out of Nashua, NH.
ocationally, my 2000 s10 that has some Ford parts, some Dodge parts, and some Chevy parts!!!!!!!!!!!

viva detroit!

with that being in your comment...your practically contradicting yourself. Why post at all to come on here to say some shit about a top fuel dragster. That has nothin to do with anything in this thread:secret:

+1

-Posted from my Palm Treo Pro

lol



sounds like he's in the right range power-wise



maybe if your vette had been faster you'd still have it :-P



viva detroit!



+1

-Posted from my Palm Treo Pro

So have you decided if you gonna swap the pulley or just do the converter?

lol just to let you know i DO have headers. LG STREET headers (see sig). yea im instrested to see this vid...gotta wait. you can best believe i will run him again once i have a cam....long while for that though.

What cam do you plan on running?

Damn do any of you guys have jobs? You are on here all day posting some of the most retarded shit I have ever read. How old are you guys, 16? Oh ya and to add to Unit's comments. My dad works on a top fuel dragster so our friend smokes everything.

"lol" for the record, one of the people talking in the thread has the 9.90 cobra..... o boy. The plot thickens.

what is going on in here? someone post the cliffs? thanks

So have you decided if you gonna swap the pulley or just do the converter?

I'll be sending the converter out when the tranny gets pulled. I'm not sure how big I'm going to go. You know I love enormous converters but I'm afraid of making the power unuseable on the street. With the 28x10's on the street it will spin in 2nd gear with the converter unlocked without heating up the tires. I have to check with a few people and see what works best though. The pulley swap will happen, I want to replace those shit mid-length headers with a set of longtubes too. Tubular front suspension is in the works, changing to 3.23 gears. All sorts of things to do!

what is going on in here? someone post the cliffs? thanks

pullied bolt on cobra 747s a MS4 bolt on 6.0l camaro...... lots of shit talking..... lots of nutswingers....

I'll be sending the converter out when the tranny gets pulled. I'm not sure how big I'm going to go. You know I love enormous converters but I'm afraid of making the power unuseable on the street. With the 28x10's on the street it will spin in 2nd gear with the converter unlocked without heating up the tires. I have to check with a few people and see what works best though. The pulley swap will happen, I want to replace those shit mid-length headers with a set of longtubes too. Tubular front suspension is in the works, changing to 3.23 gears. All sorts of things to do!

The 3.23s will help a lot. Especially since you top out at 140. Id say no bigger then 3600 on the converter. Grab a good set of long tubes and do some suspension work. That car needs weight transfer. O yea finish your 10 point and get a new license too. The car seems pretty dialed in with the amount of boost your running. Id hold off on the pulley. I have the feeling once you get 30+ psi into it, your gonna start running into lots of issues and with that kinda power, if you detonate once...... well you get the idea. Just make it strong, consistant and most of all, safe.

The 3.23s will help a lot. Especially since you top out at 140. Id say no bigger then 3600 on the converter. Grab a good set of long tubes and do some suspension work. That car needs weight transfer. O yea finish your 10 point and get a new license too. The car seems pretty dialed in with the amount of boost your running. Id hold off on the pulley. I have the feeling once you get 30+ psi into it, your gonna start running into lots of issues and with that kinda power, if you detonate once...... well you get the idea. Just make it strong, consistant and most of all, safe.

I want to put the longtubes on and pull the x-pipe and the catback off at the track this year. Between weight savings and freeing things up a bit I should see a difference. That and I want it to sound nasty ;)

I want to put the longtubes on and pull the x-pipe and the catback off at the track this year. Between weight savings and freeing things up a bit I should see a difference. That and I want it to sound nasty ;)

if you want it to sound nasty, start by loosing the blowmasters:gay:

with that being in your comment...your practically contradicting yourself. Why post at all to come on here to say some shit about a top fuel dragster. That has nothin to do with anything in this thread:secret:

I DAILY DRIVE MY TOP FUEL DRAGSTER TOO!!!! i love Boston traffic in my Top Fuel. :cool:





maybe if your vette had been faster you'd still have it :-P



haha, u dick... I was stock, on cruise control, and fut nucking guard rails jump out at me. haha

what is going on in here? someone post the cliffs? thanks

Cliff notes,
~There are fast cars in here, but everyone says they're slow.
~Evan can't use the multi-quote function
~Top fuel dragsters are comparable to street applications
~and 09284098324 years ago, some cobra and camaro raced????

:lurk:

What has happened to LS1Tech... :turd:

nice!

I DAILY DRIVE MY TOP FUEL DRAGSTER TOO!!!! i love Boston traffic in my Top Fuel. :cool:



haha, u dick... I was stock, on cruise control, and fut nucking guard rails jump out at me. haha



Cliff notes,
~There are fast cars in here, but everyone says they're slow.
~Evan can't use the multi-quote function
~Top fuel dragsters are comparable to street applications
~and 09284098324 years ago, some cobra and camaro raced????

:lurk:

lol you're right, I don't think I've ever seen him use the multi-quote function. Either he doesn't know how to use it, or he doesn't have the patience to read the rest of the thread before responding lol

my forum skills are down. sorry fellas:guns:

I want another Cobra...

Holy shit. There's been a shooting at Fort Hood, TX. 7 dead 12 wounded. 1 shooter in custody, at least one (maybe two) are still on the run.

I hope GTO Jimmy is OK.

Your such a whiny nancy boy. Have you not realized i have moved on from discussing anything with you. I have yet to go off on you about how your such a cobra/forum nutswinger because its not worth wasting my time on such a pointless, childish debate. I'm sorry to say arguing on the internet to someone you will never meet does not add inch's to your dick. So please sir, move on and discuss other things. Im having conversations with other people about other things. I would appreciate if you do not respond. Good day Sally.

I'm sorry, with you contradicting yourself so much in that sentence, it is hard for me to tell.

Evan might not be...

But i'm the master of Honda's.

Take your Camaro, i'll take my Honda.
We both have $5k.... my honda will SPANK your camaro! hahahaha

That is fine. So much for you guys' reading comprehension again. I'm sure your Honda would spank my Camaro, since I don't own one.

What has happened to LS1Tech... :turd:


Excellent question. Some of the guys are focking ridiculous babies