Street Racing & Kill Stories - NEW CAMARO! Lets hear what you got.

Any close encounters with a 2010? Please share:

Today I was driving and came up next to a new one at a stop light. There were cars in front and it was pretty heavy traffic so I knew no racing would happen. I was however checking out his ride and he knew it:eyes:. Then the douche bag revs the engine and changes lanes basically on top of me. I was pissed, it wasn't loud being stock and everything but it was just the principle. He then turns right, down an empty street quite a bit in front of me and turns on his flashers and waits... I couldn't resist. This must have been his first "racing" encounter as he just floored it before I could stop. As expected, I pulled on him before we both had to slow down. We signaled each other with a thumbs up and went our seperate ways. Perhaps in time we'll meet again, but that's my story.

close cars. you can beat them if you have some bolt ons and they're stock. but on paper they're the faster car.

close cars. you can beat them if you have some bolt ons and they're stock. but on paper they're the faster car.

In real life they are the faster car. Stock for stock or mod to mod I'm thinking they are gonna take a 4th Gen. Good run though OP.
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In real life they are the faster car. Stock for stock or mod to mod I'm thinking they are gonna take a 4th Gen. Good run though OP.
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i beat one pretty badly with just mild bolt ons... i'm not super impressed with them

I dont think Ive seen a video of heard a story of a 5th gen beating a 4th gen with similar or more mods. Especially with the 5th gens 1/4 time with 100 more hp. Definitely not impressed.

i beat one pretty badly with just mild bolt ons... i'm not super impressed with them

Sure it wasnt a v6? they look just like the v8's even have duel exhaust.

I dont think Ive seen a video of heard a story of a 5th gen beating a 4th gen with similar or more mods. Especially with the 5th gens 1/4 time with 100 more hp. Definitely not impressed.

lets just hope there are some bad drivers out there, so we can buy up their motors and put them in our cars.

Haven't found one willing to play yet.

ive ran into about 7-8 that avoided me like the plague, i change lanes pull up they slow down get behind me, or just ignore me :(

Sure it wasnt a v6? they look just like the v8's even have duel exhaust.

I'm pretty sure if we would have had more room I would have looked at the front bumper in my rear view. However, due to the circumstances.. I was playing catch up. BTW today I was out for a casual sunday drive with the girlfriend and saw a total of FIVE of them on our 11 mile each way drive. At least three were SS's. Unfortunatly no duels...:engarde:

ive ran into about 7-8 that avoided me like the plague, i change lanes pull up they slow down get behind me, or just ignore me :(

HAHA just like Imports and Mustangs...:(

i havent had the pleasure of puttin these snobby owners faces around here in the dirt yet....

maybe they think their just to good for us....I get it all the time because I drive a third gen.

Mmm... Forza. Can't wait to get my T/a on the new one. I really hope they worked on the sound. Hated my corvette sounding like a V6 truck at WOT..:gay:

Sure it wasnt a v6? they look just like the v8's even have duel exhaust.
100% sure. it was an l99 auto. we made a few runs

I had a chance to run one! The dude had just got it that same day... The traffic was so thick going down Preston road in Frisco around 4pm that I called it off and gave him a thumbs up as I turned onto my street... Wish I could get a shot when not so much traffic..

Did a couple quick freeway sprints against a 6spd 'maro: undecisive. Did a couple good runs on the freeway against a brand new Pontiac G8 GXP (w/ salesman sitting in the passenger seat) and we were pretty much neck and neck- I had a little pull on him but he had a passenger. Was suprised! That was when I was only LPE CAI, catback and tune.

FYI: The G8 GXP is the same drivetrain as the Camaro, about the same weight, and with 3.45 gears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYcCGtizpE
He was running 12.30 - 12.75 all night. Longtubes, catback, dynotune, auto.

This was my 2nd run with him and I missed 4th. HE won

New camaro owners avoid me :(. I check out their ride and they purposly keep looking straight trying to pretend I'm not next to them. Then they try to dart through traffic and disappear off an onramp or side st. Maybe they are tired of people trying to race them?

Trust me they are slowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! stock that is lol! just too heavy...

Trust me they are slowwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! stock that is lol! just too heavy...

how do you figure, they can run a high 12 stock. they are just about even with an ls1 4th gen, it's just that their heavyweight is made up with lots of power.

they weigh more than 400 lbs than we do, but make up for it in power. Also bolt on per bolt on they gain more since they have more cubes and better heads than we do....

Yeah, and unfortunately when the after market gets bigger... We may be running from them.

Yeah, and unfortunately when the after market gets bigger... We may be running from them.

aftermarket is pretty big for them already.. i think the only thing you cant gat thus far is gears

A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.

aftermarket is pretty big for them already.. i think the only thing you cant gat thus far is gears

nope, a GM parts counter guy said they share the same basic rear end as the GTO and G8. Gears up to 3.90 are available then.

For the record, averaging Car Craft, Motor Trend, and wikipedia sources the average LS1 camaro weighs right at 3400lbs: the 2010 Camaro spec sheet (backed up by Edmunds.com and Super Chevy actual weigh-ins) is: (rounded up)
3750lbs LT
3780lbs LS
3920lbs SS auto
3860lbs SS manual

450+lbs lighter is a big deal! And the SS manual gets the GTO rear gears: 3.45's (all the rest get 3.27's). I heard that some LS1's got 3.42's though I believe it was only the later model SS Camaro's?

Equal tires, equal drivers, .... who knows.

Haven't had a chance to run one yet, but I did test drive one. It definitely moved out well for the weight. The dash is just awful, though. Also, I don't think you could even get a suitcase into the trunk because the opening is about the size of a gas cap and the rear seats are even worse than in a 4th gen. With my seat at my normal driving position my seat back was almost touching the bottom of rear seat (I'm only 5'11" and I sit a bit closer than normal so that I can really slam gears).

A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that. Please do explain. They weigh 400 heavier but have 100+ hp. Similar mods they gain usually more power from what I read as someone already posted. Perhaps you are a better driver? perhaps, you got one of the factory freaked 4th gens and he got a slow one?:corn: There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.

nope, a GM parts counter guy said they share the same basic rear end as the GTO and G8. Gears up to 3.90 are available then.

For the record, averaging Car Craft, Motor Trend, and wikipedia sources the average LS1 camaro weighs right at 3400lbs: the 2010 Camaro spec sheet (backed up by Edmunds.com and Super Chevy actual weigh-ins) is: (rounded up)
3750lbs LT
3780lbs LS
3920lbs SS auto
3860lbs SS manual

450+lbs lighter is a big deal! And the SS manual gets the GTO rear gears: 3.45's (all the rest get 3.27's). I heard that some LS1's got 3.42's though I believe it was only the later model SS Camaro's?

Equal tires, equal drivers, .... who knows.

all the ls1's with a manual got 3.42s
autos got 3.08s or 3.23s
weight varies on model for the camaro

even with 450+ weight difference, there's about 100hp difference that would easily make up the weight difference. Assuming equal drivers.

typical mods... lets go with a big street cam, CAI, misc model-specific free or cheap mods, and full exhaust +tune for both cars. (Tell me if I'm off on my numbers for the LS1 fellas):

LS3: 460-480rwhp
LS1: 360-380rwhp

IMO the kicker is heads: the above mods with good aftermarket heads and intake manifold puts them within 30rwhp of each other, where the weight difference and solid axle give the nod to the LS1. Of course if they are modded to that extent, who says the 5th gen can't go on a serious diet... lots of choices and outcomes, LSx versus LSx is always gonna be nasty and contentious. Just ask the GTO guys who are still arguing the LS1 versus LS2 thing. :)

typical mods... lets go with a big street cam, CAI, misc model-specific free or cheap mods, and full exhaust +tune for both cars. (Tell me if I'm off on my numbers for the LS1 fellas):

LS3: 460-480rwhp
LS1: 360-380rwhp

IMO the kicker is heads: the above mods with good aftermarket heads and intake manifold puts them within 30rwhp of each other, where the weight difference and solid axle give the nod to the LS1. Of course if they are modded to that extent, who says the 5th gen can't go on a serious diet... lots of choices and outcomes, LSx versus LSx is always gonna be nasty and contentious. Just ask the GTO guys who are still arguing the LS1 versus LS2 thing. :)

looks on par to me:D I'll agree, moding anything can happen at that point. I just think equal mods. The 2010 camaro is just quick. Unless we are talking an auto 2010 versus a manual 2002. It's real close. I'm curious if any of the trans ratios changed? I'm only seeing 365-385rwhp on the new camaro, but I've seen the later year camaro putting down 300-330rwhp. Traps are for sure not overlapping from what I read. There's a good 3mph difference between them. It's certainly interesting but everything I read favors the new camaro. Perhaps a road coarse, rofl. 400+ weight would be a factor, lol.

I've "heard" of LS1 camaro's supposedly pulling over 330rwhp bone stock, but don't particularly buy it: more like 290-310rwhp. I wish there was a national dyno calibration standard!!!!

I've "heard" of LS1 camaro's supposedly pulling over 330rwhp bone stock, but don't particularly buy it: more like 290-310rwhp. I wish there was a national dyno calibration standard!!!!

I agree, I think what you posted is more on average. The few I've seen with 330rwhp were 02s since they all had the ls6 intake and some had the other block. And there were manuals. Some of the 01s had the ls6 intake too aswell as the block. But it wasn't many. They were in the low to mid 320s.

Since we already are posting in a thread that is not supposed to be in this forum, lets hijack a bit more: Your STS kit looks to be very low priced: shouldnt you be asking more? Try listing it on LS1GTO.com forums, it'll be gone in minutes. literally minutes.

Want to sell me that converter only? :)

Yeah, and unfortunately when the after market gets bigger... We may be running from them.

Whos runnin..............:engarde:

Since we already are posting in a thread that is not supposed to be in this forum, lets hijack a bit more: Your STS kit looks to be very low priced: shouldnt you be asking more? Try listing it on LS1GTO.com forums, it'll be gone in minutes. literally minutes.

Want to sell me that converter only? :)

while we are at it,:cheers:, yes, I should try to get more. I'm tired of looking at it. I might just do that, thanks for the tip. Yes, I might do that on the converter, I got to look at my invoices again before I post it.

Please do explain. They weigh 400 heavier but have 100+ hp. Similar mods they gain usually more power from what I read as someone already posted. Perhaps you are a better driver? perhaps, you got one of the factory freaked 4th gens and he got a slow one?:corn: There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.

most new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. it's 108-109. from what i've seen between the two cars, the one with bolt ons wins.

They do pretty good from a 60 roll! I doubt any stock LS1's would be taking one down from a highway roll. Here is my story that I posted a few months ago, my car was having shifting problems at the time. I pulled the tranny shortly after and fixed it though.

After sitting at the track for 4 hours and only getting 2 runs in I was pretty frustrated. Anways, while cruising back on the freeway I see a set of tailights that catches my attention. Looky looky a new camaro, these are really rare in my area and people are charging $45,000-$50,000 for them. I go around the guy and give him a few revs. We find a nice stretch on the freeway that looks clear and he pulls up beside me. I look over and it looks like a young 16 year old who is talking on his cell phone wtf? Its a nice blue or black one with white stripes, not sure it was dark. I look over at him to see if he wants to run but hes talking on his phone.

We slow down to about 60 and I drop her down into 2nd to see if he will play. He hammers it and puts half a car on me before I get on it. Rev her out to 6500 with the shift light blairing in my face and we are door to door. Slam 3rd and we are still dead even until about 90 which surprised the shit out of me. I begin to pull pretty good on him and shut her down around 110 with a 2-3 car lead its really hard to tell. I don't know if he got out of it or anything at all. After that I wanted to talk to him but he slowed way down and never caught back up to me. No idea if it was a stock, modded, auto or stick. It sure took off hard from a 60 roll though. That thing ran way harder than the procharged 09 gt mustang I put 4 lenghts on.

I got to toy with one a little while back...he wouldn't run even up so I started behind him both times. I wasn't losing any ground and not really gaining either... seemed to be a pretty even match... I want to try one again with my Lid on.

most new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. it's 108-109. from what i've seen between the two cars, the one with bolt ons wins.

My reply was on this comment:
Originally Posted by ethan071891
A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.

As for the trap speed, Four different magazines, four different trap times. I bet you here in maryland at 100 ft it hits 112-113 on cool evening. And no shit, a bolt on to a non bolt on, I wouldn't expect anything different. Next time, make sure you comment on the entire post. :gtfo:

My reply was on this comment:
Originally Posted by ethan071891
A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.

As for the trap speed, Four different magazines, four different trap times. I bet you here in maryland at 100 ft it hits 112-113 on cool evening. And no shit, a bolt on to a non bolt on, I wouldn't expect anything different. Next time, make sure you comment on the entire post. :gtfo:

Your flaw is comparing the magazines trap speeds to track trap speeds.

Here is the top list over on Camaro5
1. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
2. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
3. nhra stocker - 12.92 @ 109.02, (LS3, M6)
4. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -433)
5. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
7. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
8. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
9. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
10. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
11. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
12. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
13. AntiVnm - 13.30 @ 106. 12 mph (L99, A6)
14. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
15. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
16. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
17. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
18. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
20. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)

Your flaw is comparing the magazines trap speeds to track trap speeds.

Here is the top list over on Camaro5
1. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
2. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
3. nhra stocker - 12.92 @ 109.02, (LS3, M6)
4. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.97 @ 107.61 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -433)
5. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)
6. Will69camaro - 13.09 @ 109.70 mph (LS3 M6), (DA +276)
7. 8secpumpgas - 13.11 @ 106.38 mph, (L99, A6)
8. Three-D - 13.25 @ 109.84 mph, (LS3, M6)
9. Matt (tunetime) - 13.25 @ 106. 42 mph, (L99, A6)
10. Foglin - 13.28 @ 106.8 mph, (LS3, M6)
11. Scottywheels - 13.28 @ 106.43 mph, (L99, A6)
12. gtwss - 13.29 @ 108.09 mph, (LS3, M6)
13. AntiVnm - 13.30 @ 106. 12 mph (L99, A6)
14. Amwellls1 - 13.31 @ 107.0 mph, (LS3, M6)
15. Midnight Maro - 13.33 @ 105.52 mph, (L99, A6)
16. DarricSS - 13.37 @ 105.89 mph, (LS3, M6), (DA + 3331)
17. HDDAN - 13.38 @ 105.65 mph, (L99, A6)
18. PwrTrip - 13.41 @ 105.01 mph, (L99, A6)
19. Kaler - 13.44 @ 108.64 mph, (L99, A6)
20. SS/RS - 13.54 @ 107.44 mph (LS3, M6), (DA +1187 ft.)

I want to see times with drivers who have seat time with the new car. It's been proven time and time again the magazine times post less than at what the track times are here. Lets see if we can get a few from the maryland area to post some times. What you are saying that those top 4 magazines are posting incorrect times? :engarde:

I want to see some altitudes and tempature posts. Rofl, one guy trapped 103. Let me guess, you accepted that too?

It reminds of those that say those ls1s trap 108 all the time. which simply isn't true. just as the average is closer to 106.

here's one from texas on this site, 85 degrees.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/2010-camaro/1114575-track-results-2010-camaro-ss.html

edit: P.S make sure you catch the some of the comments from those guys here. :smokin2:

My reply was on this comment:
Originally Posted by ethan071891
A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.

As for the trap speed, Four different magazines, four different trap times. I bet you here in maryland at 100 ft it hits 112-113 on cool evening. And no shit, a bolt on to a non bolt on, I wouldn't expect anything different. Next time, make sure you comment on the entire post. :gtfo:

what is wrong with you? you are retard?

I want to see times with drivers who have seat time with the new car. It's been proven time and time again the magazine times post less than at what the track times are here. Lets see if we can get a few from the maryland area to post some times. What you are saying that those top 4 magazines are posting incorrect times? :engarde:

I want to see some altitudes and tempature posts. Rofl, one guy trapped 103. Let me guess, you accepted that too?

It reminds of those that say those ls1s trap 108 all the time. which simply isn't true. just as the average is closer to 106.

here's one from texas on this site, 85 degrees.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/2010-camaro/1114575-track-results-2010-camaro-ss.html

edit: P.S make sure you catch the some of the comments from those guys here. :smokin2:

so you want to compare average ls1 speeds to what the new camaro does in perfect conditions? makes sense i guess...

what is wrong with you? you are retard?

So now you're going to call me names because you can't comprehend.

So now you're going to call me names because you can't comprehend.

that's pretty funny considering you're the one having the hardest time comprehending anything

so you want to compare average ls1 speeds to what the new camaro does in perfect conditions? makes sense i guess...

Again, go back and read it again. A new camaro will beat the old camaro hands down. Putting the same mods on either car the outcome isn't any different.

Again, go back and read it again. A new camaro will beat the old camaro hands down. Putting the same mods on either car the outcome isn't any different.

well when you compare hypothetical new camaro trap speeds to average ls1 speeds, then yes! now i'm a hero too!

that's pretty funny considering you're the one having the hardest time comprehending anything

ok, let me show you..:judge: Here's what ethan posted!

A 5th gen will not out run a 4th gen with equal mods, been there done that.

Here's my comment!
Please do explain. They weigh 400 heavier but have 100+ hp. Similar mods they gain usually more power from what I read as someone already posted. Perhaps you are a better driver? perhaps, you got one of the factory freaked 4th gens and he got a slow one?:corn: There's certainly a difference in an average 4th gen trapping 104-108 versus the new camaro trapping 110-112. Even bolt ons on both, I don't see it happening unless he can't drive. If that's the case, hell, makes perfect sense.
And of course yours.
most new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. it's 108-109. from what i've seen between the two cars, the one with bolt ons wins.

Has nothing to do with what I said, comparing mods to both cars.

ok, let me show you..:judge: Here's what ethan posted!



Here's my comment!

And of course yours.


Has nothing to do with what I said, comparing mods to both cars.

i was just pointing out that you were wrong that new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. yeesh kid

well when you compare hypothetical new camaro trap speeds to average ls1 speeds, then yes! now i'm a hero too!

haha, wrong again. I said, saying that the new camaro traps 108-109 is like saying that the old ls1s trap 108.

magazine times are showing 110+ at 350da at 80 degrees.

magazine times have been proven wrong time and time again to be lower than the norm. The magazine times had many passes on the car, is why i mentioned seat time on a new car.

These cars trap speeds on average are 3mph different.:bash:

i was just pointing out that you were wrong that new camaros aren't trapping 110-112. yeesh kid

again, I'm saying that they are. I'm not a kid, but thank you for the suggestion.

again, I'm saying that they are. I'm not a kid, but thank you for the suggestion.

i'll accept that, but then you have to accept when i say ls1's trap 113-115 bone stock, as long as were going on heresay and not facts. so now ls1's are faster than new camaros! yay!

i'll accept that, but then you have to accept when i say ls1's trap 113-115 bone stock, as long as were going on heresay and not facts. so now ls1's are faster than new camaros! yay!

sure thing:devil:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_chevrolet_camaro_c omparison/specs.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4309423.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q1/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v6_and_v8_performance_test_r esults-car_news

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/editors_notebook/0906_2010_chevy_camaro_ss/index.html

sure thing:devil:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_chevrolet_camaro_c omparison/specs.html

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4309423.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/09q1/2010_chevrolet_camaro_v6_and_v8_performance_test_r esults-car_news

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/editors_notebook/0906_2010_chevy_camaro_ss/index.html


motortrend and probably most of the others used a g-tec on pre production cars. look at the ACTUAL track times posted. oh yeah you ignored those for some reason. you know, the actual track times for the actual cars?

motortrend and probably most of the others used a g-tec on pre production cars. look at the ACTUAL track times posted. oh yeah you ignored those for some reason. you know, the actual track times for the actual cars?

You're speculating now on g-tec. I thought they used gps technology if they didn't use test equipment. I've got magazines here. They are on some track in irvan california. Motortrend and Car and driver even shows test conditions. I see 110.7 and 110.2 on car and driver with 350alt and 76 degrees. Popular mechanics is showing 109 for the auto and 111 for the manual. How am I ignoring them? I said they are not posting tempatures or DA on all of those posts. Than I posted the guy in texas that ran a 109.x in 85 degrees with high humidity. He didn't post DA. I think he posted it during may. I said more seat time on those times you will see improvements on the stock runs posted at that site. They even said they can't wait til it gets cooler to see what the car will do.

You're speculating now on g-tec. I thought they used gps technology if they didn't use test equipment. I've got magazines here. They are on some track in irvan california. Motortrend and Car and driver even shows test conditions. I see 110.7 and 110.2 on car and driver with 350alt and 76 degrees. Popular mechanics is showing 109 for the auto and 111 for the manual. How am I ignoring them? I said they are not posting tempatures or DA on all of those posts. Than I posted the guy in texas that ran a 109.x in 85 degrees with high humidity. He didn't post DA. I think he posted it during may. I said more seat time on those times you will see improvements on the stock runs posted at that site. They even said they can't wait til it gets cooler to see what the car will do.

new camaros are running 105-109. how do i know this? CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE RUNNING. even the record time is basically the same as the record time of an ls1 fbody. and the fbody's record time was also done on a hot day. stock for stock the new camaro has an edge i would say. but a couple of minor bolt ons puts the fbody far ahead.

You're speculating now on g-tec. I thought they used gps technology if they didn't use test equipment. I've got magazines here. They are on some track in irvan california. Motortrend and Car and driver even shows test conditions. I see 110.7 and 110.2 on car and driver with 350alt and 76 degrees. Popular mechanics is showing 109 for the auto and 111 for the manual. How am I ignoring them? I said they are not posting tempatures or DA on all of those posts. Than I posted the guy in texas that ran a 109.x in 85 degrees with high humidity. He didn't post DA. I think he posted it during may. I said more seat time on those times you will see improvements on the stock runs posted at that site. They even said they can't wait til it gets cooler to see what the car will do.

i figured it out! these high trapping new camaros are running this! PAH!!

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motortrend and probably most of the others used a g-tec on pre production cars. look at the ACTUAL track times posted. oh yeah you ignored those for some reason. you know, the actual track times for the actual cars?

There it is!!!!! GPS timing is NOT equal to the track timing equipment. They come up with trap speeds is two completely different ways. The fact that this guy doesn't know that has me wondering why I am even entertaining his 'all knowing' posts.

haha, wrong again. I said, saying that the new camaro traps 108-109 is like saying that the old ls1s trap 108.


Mine did... in fact I trapped 108.59mph on the very same track where speedy posted his 109.08mph trap. His DA was 986ft while I was -127ft... I am no where near the driver he is which is evident by his 60ft and ET but to say I am 3mph behind a new 2010 SS is a bit of a stretch considering.

Also a big newsflash for you...those magazine times are CORRECTED!!!! They didn't actually trap that high in those horrible conditions.... they were hurt by the heat as much as the next car and those trap speeds are a 'reflection' of what it would have run in 'ideal' conditions.

For holding these magazines as gospel you certainly don't seem to read up on HOW they actually get their results.

Mine did... in fact I trapped 108.59mph on the very same track where speedy posted his 109.08mph trap. His DA was 986ft while I was -127ft... I am no where near the driver he is which is evident by his 60ft and ET but to say I am 3mph behind a new 2010 SS is a bit of a stretch considering.

Also a big newsflash for you...those magazine times are CORRECTED!!!! They didn't actually trap that high in those horrible conditions.... they were hurt by the heat as much as the next car and those trap speeds are a 'reflection' of what it would have run in 'ideal' conditions.

For holding these magazines as gospel you certainly don't seem to read up on HOW they actually get their results.

no where in the magazine does it say corrected times or testing methods. I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the cars do better here than the times ever posted in any magazine, period. Second, you are a rare one. Look it up, the average ls1s don't trap 108 as I pointed out before.

again, non of you went here to read the comments from people here already.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/2010-camaro/1114575-track-results-2010-camaro-ss.html

fact is, all the 4th generation peeps bash the generation 5 camaro just as the other link stated above has stated too.

There's not even an edge in the cars as big hammer seems to think. 3-4mph on average in trap speed dictates it all.

Here's a quotes from the other link above. There's many similar there. How ironic on the trap speeds. He said even higher than I posted.


What in the hell is wrong with people. So this is a slow time...so what. Some mags ran 13.8 with the ls1 cars at 103mph.

Why is it that when a new car comes out it is automatically compared with the absolute best times ever achieved by the previous model?

13.0 at 111 has been achieved by a couple different sources. That is a good 3-4 mph over the highest traps EVER recorded in stock ls1 cars. So basically this thing nearly matches the best ET ever recorded for a stock 4th gen while using 20 inch wheels and smokes its trap speed right out of the gate in a magazine test and this isnt good enough?

Now give the new camaro some time to break in, some differing conditions, and some drivers who can make the 20's hook and mid 12's will happen stock I guarantee it. And The same goes for the trap...I doubt 111 is the fastest they will go stock. 113-114 wouldnt surprise me either.

but let me guess...this still isnt good enough

and yeah it will still be a 13 second car to the average driver...you know why? let me think hmmm...maybe because it isnt easy to launch a vehicle with over 400 horsepower and then perfectly powershift it down the track at just the right rpm on just the right day with just the right conditions blah blah blah.

Have you ever seen average drivers race vipers, ferraris whatever you name it, guess what they run with them most of the time.... 13's and even 14's. That will never change.

A shitty driver could maybe even do a little better with a 4th gen because they are easier to launch. But this doesnt change the fact that the 5th gen is the faster car

This reminds me of the lt1 and ls1 days. Like dejavoo all over again, rofl. :smokin2:

Second, you are a rare one. Look it up, the average ls1s don't trap 108 as I pointed out before.

Look around this board and you will find 109 stock LS1 traps and far more than 1 or 2 people with 108mph traps stock.

If you look at that list I posted (from actual 2010 owners and their results a 108 isn't the average trap of a new 2010 SS either... people can't drive, run in bad conditions, etc... :eyes:

no where in the magazine does it say corrected times or testing methods. I've said it before and I'll say it again, all the cars do better here than the times ever posted in any magazine, period.

Skim over these and tell me I am wrong about magazine times... please....

[InsideLine]
http://www.insideline.com/features/how-we-test-cars-and-trucks.html
- Closed Facility (Not a 1/4 mile track)
- Vbox 3 Used - GPS Datalogger
- Final results are adjusted for Weather Conditions

[Car and Driver]
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/08q3/how_does_c_d_test_cars_-info
- Vbox Used - GPS Datalogger
- When cars aren't available here or in California, we simply take the equipment to the source and rent a nearby drag strip or racetrack
- Michigan testing is done at DaimlerChrysler's proving ground in Chelsea
- To eliminate the effects of weather on performance, we employ proprietary empirical correction factors

[Motortrend]
They are not as forthcoming about their testing..but simple reading comprehension yields great results....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gtr_acceleration_test/acceleration_runs.html
-Employing our customary one-foot rollout and SAE weather correction

[taken from hotrod]
http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/113_0501_2005_ford_mustang_gt/index.html
. Although our sister magazine Motor Trend recently published a report of an automatic-equipped '05 running 13.6 in the quarter-mile, we'll chalk that up to an optimistic weather-correction factor

If you took the time to look at any of these magazine closer than just looking up the 1/4 mile times for said cars and memorizing them you might have realized what was going on all by yourself.

This reminds me of the lt1 and ls1 days. Like dejavoo all over again, rofl. :smokin2:

Minus the fact that there is no 2010 Camaro bashing going on and LS1 cars are CLEARLY faster than LT1 cars, I used to own a 1995 LT1 Z28... trust me I know... :eyes:

Look around this board and you will find 109 stock LS1 traps and far more than 1 or 2 people with 108mph traps stock.

If you look at that list I posted (from actual 2010 owners and their results a 108 isn't the average trap of a new 2010 SS either... people can't drive, run in bad conditions, etc... :eyes:



Skim over these and tell me I am wrong about magazine times... please....

[InsideLine]
http://www.insideline.com/features/how-we-test-cars-and-trucks.html
- Closed Facility (Not a 1/4 mile track)
- Vbox 3 Used - GPS Datalogger
- Final results are adjusted for Weather Conditions

[Car and Driver]
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/08q3/how_does_c_d_test_cars_-info
- Vbox Used - GPS Datalogger
- When cars aren't available here or in California, we simply take the equipment to the source and rent a nearby drag strip or racetrack
- Michigan testing is done at DaimlerChrysler's proving ground in Chelsea
- To eliminate the effects of weather on performance, we employ proprietary empirical correction factors

[Motortrend]
They are not as forthcoming about their testing..but simple reading comprehension yields great results....

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0803_2009_nissan_gtr_acceleration_test/acceleration_runs.html
-Employing our customary one-foot rollout and SAE weather correction

[taken from hotrod]
http://www.hotrod.com/projectbuild/113_0501_2005_ford_mustang_gt/index.html
. Although our sister magazine Motor Trend recently published a report of an automatic-equipped '05 running 13.6 in the quarter-mile, we'll chalk that up to an optimistic weather-correction factor

If you took the time to look at any of these magazine closer than just looking up the 1/4 mile times for said cars and memorizing them you might have realized what was going on all by yourself.



Minus the fact that there is no 2010 Camaro bashing going on and LS1 cars are CLEARLY faster than LT1 cars, I used to own a 1995 LT1 Z28... trust me I know... :eyes:

:funny:ROFL, reguardless of the times posted in the magazine, again, I'll repeat it again, times are slower than track times here from any magazine.
so whatever their testing times are achieved is really a mute point.
:bash:

Again, the average stock ls1 doesn't trap 108 or 109 :bs:

again, maybe not totally in this thread as far as bashing, but in general....
I owned a 97 and 98 , sure are, 4mph difference too in average trap times from an lt1 to an ls1.

Just as the new camaro is compared to an ls1

And clearly, you didnt read any of the posts from the forum link on this site I posted above. :D

:funny:ROFL, reguardless of the times posted in the magazine, again, I'll repeat it again, times are slower than track times here from any magazine.
so whatever their testing times are achieved is really a mute point.
:bash:

Last I looked this place wasn't keeping a stock top list... I can think of several people off the top of my head that ran 12s bone stock in LS1 cars and trapped 108+ mph stock.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/1172655-fastest-bone-stock-a4-m6-2.html
Read there and you will even find a 110mph bone stock trap.

Again, the average stock ls1 doesn't trap 108 or 109 :bs:

And 2010s are not averaging that either. ;)


again, maybe not totally in this thread as far as bashing, but in general....
I owned a 97 and 98 , sure are, 4mph difference too in average trap times from an lt1 to an ls1.

Just as the new camaro is compared to an ls1

And clearly, you didnt read any of the posts from the forum link on this site I posted above. :D

This thread is the one that I was talking about... I don't care about a thread from 6 months ago where people were bashing on them.

Last I looked this place wasn't keeping a stock top list... I can think of several people off the top of my head that ran 12s bone stock in LS1 cars and trapped 108+ mph stock.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-results/1172655-fastest-bone-stock-a4-m6-2.html
Read there and you will even find a 110mph bone stock trap.



And 2010s are not averaging that either. ;)



This thread is the one that I was talking about... I don't care about a thread from 6 months ago where people were bashing on them.

As one guy posted, you are comparing the best ls1 times to a few runs on a new car. It's irrelevant.

We will have to agree to disagree.

As one guy posted, you are comparing the best ls1 times to a few runs on a new car. It's irrelevant.

We will have to agree to disagree.

A few? Did you look at the list? I'm comparing the best to the best... the rest of those times can be skewed any so many ways it's not even funny. Hell I just managed a 14.0 at the track last weekend... better count that against the LS1 crowd in your average.:eyes:

A few? Did you look at the list? I'm comparing the best to the best... the rest of those times can be skewed any so many ways it's not even funny. Hell I just managed a 14.0 at the track last weekend... better count that against the LS1 crowd in your average.:eyes:

You are missing the point. the ls1 has been out how long? I personally put 100s of passes on my lt1 and ls1. Spent allot of time at the track. Just as the ls1 did the first year, trap speeds and times gradually increased over time as more and more had seat time at the track. That's all I'm saying. To make a judgement based on a car that doesn't even have a year out on the market is an ignorant statment. The sad part, most people will probably mod it before they even get break in times. I know if I had one I would too.

You are missing the point. the ls1 has been out how long? I personally put 100s of passes on my lt1 and ls1. Spent allot of time at the track. Just as the ls1 did the first year, trap speeds and times gradually increased over time as more and more had seat time at the track. That's all I'm saying. To make a judgement based on a car that doesn't even have a year out on the market is an ignorant statment. The sad part, most people will probably mod it before they even get break in times. I know if I had one I would too.

If they start magically trapping 110+ mph next year then we can cross that bridge when we get to it. Until then I would rather look at what has happened instead of riding the nut sack and clinging to 'hope'.

If they start magically trapping 110+ mph next year then we can cross that bridge when we get to it. Until then I would rather look at what has happened instead of riding the nut sack and clinging to 'hope'.

Perhaps, but there's enough raw data to say the cars potential. Hell, look at all the 1998 times posted out of the articles the first year. They are a disgrace to the ls1s time posted today or even just a few years ago. This very same thing happened the very first year the ls1 hit the camaros/firebirds. Everyone debated the same topic we are on now.

Honeslty, I'm hoping sales stay up with todays market. I like to see the camaro, etc stay for awhile. Or will they just push this market out for the "go green rhetoric". I hope not. This co2 crap is poison is pissing me off to no end. Who the hell wants to drive a smartcar, rofl. Those people just scare me.

Now for some real excitement, I read they are talking about a 6.4L in the challenger with 475-510hp for 2011. I read official. I doubt it will happen with the way the market and government is pushing. :( kind of like the new z28 with a supercharger. Now we're talking :devil: edit: Woot, its time to go home for the day. Enjoy the rest of your day.

Hell, look at all the 1998 times posted out of the articles the first year.

Magazine times...again... only back then they used a wheel and didn't apply corrections.

What about track results posted in 1998? Oh that's right..the internet wasn't like it is today back then. Those passes weren't uploaded and stored online for everyone to see like they are now. Even CZ28 only shows back to 2003 in the drag section..it's not like you can go look and see what people were actually running then with their cars new.

IIRC it was a 1999 Camaro Z28 that went 12.89 @ 108mph bone stock driven by Evan Smith at an actual track back in the day as published by MM&FF and talked about here...
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ag5cgy.jpg

1st comparing Magazine times to real world times isn't the best thing to do because they will run a car with a full tank of gas, test equipment in the car, spare and jack in the car, and any safety gear (I.E.-traction control) in the on position. With personal users 90% of us will run the car down to < 1/4 of fuel, don't have the test equipment in the car, remove jack and spare and damn near anything else we can easily get out to save a bit of weight, and turn off safety equipment.
2nd you are trying to compare the best LS1 times to the best LS3/L99 times when the best LS1 times have been done over years of people getting to know their cars, breaking their cars in, getting good air (most of the best LS1 times are in the early months so your pulling DA's of -500 through 500). Many LS3/L99 owners have only had their cars at best 6 months and not that many passes down the strip in it. Hell most of them aren't even broken in yet (some runs with less then 1500 miles on them) and everyone can agree that any LS engine runs much stronger after breaking in. And none of them have had the chance for good weather yet. I can't wait to see what they will run when they get the chance to run in -500 DA and 40*.
The fact is the person with the new car will try and defend their new car by giving the "it's better then your, because it's newer and does this and that...). And people that have the older generations will always try and defend their rides talking down the newer generations by saying "I don't like the looks, or ours did this and that, and your no better, make all that power but look how heavy you are...).
Lets just all enjoy the fact that we're not driving damn Chrysler or Ford product or hell the worst Toyota products and move on.
Tate

Magazine times...again... only back then they used a wheel and didn't apply corrections.

What about track results posted in 1998? Oh that's right..the internet wasn't like it is today back then. Those passes weren't uploaded and stored online for everyone to see like they are now. Even CZ28 only shows back to 2003 in the drag section..it's not like you can go look and see what people were actually running then with their cars new.

IIRC it was a 1999 Camaro Z28 that went 12.89 @ 108mph bone stock driven by Evan Smith at an actual track back in the day as published by MM&FF and talked about here...
http://i43.tinypic.com/2ag5cgy.jpg

I'm not arguing you anymore. Again, magazine times are posted to be slower than anything posted in the real world. Just as the magazine times posted back than. I have stated that 3x now. The internet was out back in 98, certainly enough to gather data from them. Again, I liked to see a professional driver take the new car out for a drive.

1st comparing Magazine times to real world times isn't the best thing to do because they will run a car with a full tank of gas, test equipment in the car, spare and jack in the car, and any safety gear (I.E.-traction control) in the on position. With personal users 90% of us will run the car down to < 1/4 of fuel, don't have the test equipment in the car, remove jack and spare and damn near anything else we can easily get out to save a bit of weight, and turn off safety equipment.
2nd you are trying to compare the best LS1 times to the best LS3/L99 times when the best LS1 times have been done over years of people getting to know their cars, breaking their cars in, getting good air (most of the best LS1 times are in the early months so your pulling DA's of -500 through 500). Many LS3/L99 owners have only had their cars at best 6 months and not that many passes down the strip in it. Hell most of them aren't even broken in yet (some runs with less then 1500 miles on them) and everyone can agree that any LS engine runs much stronger after breaking in. And none of them have had the chance for good weather yet. I can't wait to see what they will run when they get the chance to run in -500 DA and 40*.
The fact is the person with the new car will try and defend their new car by giving the "it's better then your, because it's newer and does this and that...). And people that have the older generations will always try and defend their rides talking down the newer generations by saying "I don't like the looks, or ours did this and that, and your no better, make all that power but look how heavy you are...).
Lets just all enjoy the fact that we're not driving damn Chrysler or Ford product or hell the worst Toyota products and move on.
Tate

thank you!

I'm not arguing you anymore. Again, magazine times are posted to be slower than anything posted in the real world. Just as the magazine times posted back than. I have stated that 3x now. The internet was out back in 98, certainly enough to gather data from them. Again, I liked to see a professional driver take the new car out for a drive.


Good because you have nothing to argue. Those magazine times are not comparable. End of story...

Also I didn't say the internet didn't exist.. (wow)...it was MUCH different than it is today. You can waste your time digging for a top 10 list from 1998 but I doubt you are going to have any luck.

Also your claims are rediculous...
What are you wanting here???
Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -261)
8ty8 ls1 - 12.90 @ 107.90 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -822)
nhra stocker - 12.92 @ 109.02, (LS3, M6), (DA -23)

Do we wait until we have -2000DA before we decide they are finally running what they are capable of? :eyes:

Also some of these drivers are far more capable than you are giving them credit for. What's your 'professional driver' list? I hope you don't mean the minivan testers at Motortrend.

1st comparing Magazine times to real world times isn't the best thing to do because they will run a car with a full tank of gas, test equipment in the car, spare and jack in the car, and any safety gear (I.E.-traction control) in the on position.

Um.. bone stock records are just that...and my times were done 100% full weight and a full tank of gas (refering to the MM&FF article) you will find the trend continues. Free mods are still mods as is removing weight and is not even being discussed.

With personal users 90% of us will run the car down to < 1/4 of fuel, don't have the test equipment in the car, remove jack and spare and damn near anything else we can easily get out to save a bit of weight, and turn off safety equipment.

Thats called modding with the exception of running with a 1/4 tank...even then if you ran with the tank dry you are talking less than 100lbs of weight.

2nd you are trying to compare the best LS1 times to the best LS3/L99 times when the best LS1 times have been done over years of people getting to know their cars, breaking their cars in, getting good air (most of the best LS1 times are in the early months so your pulling DA's of -500 through 500). Many LS3/L99 owners have only had their cars at best 6 months and not that many passes down the strip in it. Hell most of them aren't even broken in yet (some runs with less then 1500 miles on them) and everyone can agree that any LS engine runs much stronger after breaking in. And none of them have had the chance for good weather yet. I can't wait to see what they will run when they get the chance to run in -500 DA and 40*.


Not true at all... and record passes were done with LS1 cars the year they were built... you can use the search button on this very site to find proof. See my last post about your 'smoking gun'... they HAVE been running in the same conditions that others run in to set records. The only other claim you have if that a car with 3000 miles is going to trap 3 mph faster and magically drop off 2 to 3 tenths. I guess we will wait for that one to happen... I'm not holding my breath. :devil:

I think the new Camaro was a ton of weight on its shoulders having to pick up from the legendary LS1 cars left off. Personally Im not impressed with them, but I wouldnt call them slow. Its faster then the mustang, 370z, infinits, honda everything, challenger, charger. Id say its doing pretty good compared to the competition.

Lets just all enjoy the fact that we're not driving damn Chrysler or Ford product or hell the worst Toyota products and move on.
Tate

Hey, Easy now

I resemble that comment!

Look, there are a few bone stock that have run @ my track in Baton Rouge, LA

Some are in the 109-111 bone stock. Problem is, the cars are too new for anyone to even say what the average will be in 6 months. The average might not be 109-111 yet, but after a few more months I think the average will go up a few mph. The "average" will be changing for some time to come. From what I've seen, the 98-02 average is in the low 13's @ 107-109

I love the 98-02 ls1/F-body platform, and they have massive potential. I think the new Camaro's potential will be greater. They will be able to post equal times with less mods. The one modded one I ran was full exhaust and tune on stock tires through an auto and was in the 12.3x -12.4x range @ 113-115 mph.

I don't know a shitload about lsx's and am no expert, but I thought he was haulin ass.:drive:

Well I don't care what you guys read or heard or saw or did. Last night I saw 5 ss's, 3 stick and 2 auto and one wee little 6 banger at my local track.

2 of the 3 stick were stock (except one was lowered) all in the 12.80-13.20 range but suprisingly all were 111-112 mph.

1 auto was full exhaust and tune. 112 mph 3 out of 4 runs. Stayed in the 12.70 range.

the 6 banger was running 14.20's spinning @ 99 mph.

There was this one guy in a really clean maroon one. He said it was a ls7 swap with all of the goodies. His best run was 11.20 @ 118.

(Never opened the hood) I think it was on some squeeze.

Well I don't care what you guys read or heard or saw or did. Last night I saw 5 ss's, 3 stick and 2 auto and one wee little 6 banger at my local track.

2 of the 3 stick were stock (except one was lowered) all in the 12.80-13.20 range but suprisingly all were 111-112 mph.

1 auto was full exhaust and tune. 112 mph 3 out of 4 runs. Stayed in the 12.70 range.

the 6 banger was running 14.20's spinning @ 99 mph.

There was this one guy in a really clean maroon one. He said it was a ls7 swap with all of the goodies. His best run was 11.20 @ 118.

(Never opened the hood) I think it was on some squeeze.

IF that is true and they were 100% stock than you watch 2 record setting cars. Pretty impressive.

IF that is true and they were 100% stock than you watch 2 record setting cars. Pretty impressive.

Record setting maybe, don't know. It was in the 40's and the track was hooking up nicely. I just think the conditions were perfect. I know that the one that ran 13.10@112 was bone stock, he is a friend of mine. He is easily in the 12's though, no traction in 1st and really barking 2nd and 3rd.

In real life they are the faster car. Stock for stock or mod to mod I'm thinking they are gonna take a 4th Gen. Good run though OP.
Tate

You mean on Forza 3? lol.

i beat the pants off one at a 70 drop on the road a month or so ago with my mild bolt ons and no tune on the car. wasnt to impressed with them. then he wanted to do it again after he caught up to me (5miles later)

You mean on Forza 3? lol.

What the hell are you talking about?:huh:
Tate

Record setting maybe, don't know. It was in the 40's and the track was hooking up nicely. I just think the conditions were perfect. I know that the one that ran 13.10@112 was bone stock, he is a friend of mine. He is easily in the 12's though, no traction in 1st and really barking 2nd and 3rd.

I'm serious man.. I've only heard of a couple 110mph traps and they were bad ETs (lot of spinning going on off the line but otherwise ok passes) and only 1 posted a slip. If that car is in fact stock it's 2mph faster than any other 2010 SS that's posted anywhere. Seems a bit odd unless the DA was -2000 or something?

I'm going to call him tomorrow and see if he kept a slip. If he did, I'll post it. If he did not, we will be there friday night again, I'll get a slip and some video for you guys.

I am not trying to argue. I really don't know much about these cars, just what I see.

Da was between -650 to -615

I'm going to call him tomorrow and see if he kept a slip. If he did, I'll post it. If he did not, we will be there friday night again, I'll get a slip and some video for you guys.

I am not trying to argue. I really don't know much about these cars, just what I see.

Da was between -650 to -615

It's impressive..don't get me wrong here... I've been following the records all year and haven't seen anything close. That's why I'm skeptical.

well ran into 2 5th gens today and well both were kinda funny stories, first one i ran into was a v6 yellow and he did a little ricer fly by in traffic, ripped past me then jammed the brakes. so i tapped the gas a little and let off around 4.5k rpms and coasted by him and i thought his wife was gonna fall out the car. she couldnt get the window up fast enough covering her ears. i had my mom in the car and she was laughing about it and antagonizing me a little bit about how quick she thinks the new camaro is, he didnt wanna play. he acted like he did but didnt, he jotted through traffic i pursued till the opening, he moved over i pulled up along him and then he didnt do anything but pace me. so i called it and went on about my business. 2nd was on the way home about 4 hrs later, was a black SS with orange stripes, looked like magnaflow exhaust and sounded pretty healthy, all tinted out. i was excited and moms had the camera ready to go, she was my wing man for the day :D well anyway, she paced me for a good 30 seconds, then b4 my mom could turn on the camera she rolls down here window and gives me a thumbs up and rolls back and changed to the slow lane... my mom said she wishes she just caught my reaction, the driver couldnt have been any younger than 60, grandma had it goin on man!

well ran into 2 5th gens today and well both were kinda funny stories, first one i ran into was a v6 yellow and he did a little ricer fly by in traffic, ripped past me then jammed the brakes. so i tapped the gas a little and let off around 4.5k rpms and coasted by him and i thought his wife was gonna fall out the car. she couldnt get the window up fast enough covering her ears. i had my mom in the car and she was laughing about it and antagonizing me a little bit about how quick she thinks the new camaro is, he didnt wanna play. he acted like he did but didnt, he jotted through traffic i pursued till the opening, he moved over i pulled up along him and then he didnt do anything but pace me. so i called it and went on about my business. 2nd was on the way home about 4 hrs later, was a black SS with orange stripes, looked like magnaflow exhaust and sounded pretty healthy, all tinted out. i was excited and moms had the camera ready to go, she was my wing man for the day :D well anyway, she paced me for a good 30 seconds, then b4 my mom could turn on the camera she rolls down here window and gives me a thumbs up and rolls back and changed to the slow lane... my mom said she wishes she just caught my reaction, the driver couldnt have been any younger than 60, grandma had it goin on man!

haha seems to be everyone's luck... But the grandma thing is a curve ball

it sounds like to me a lot of people on here are having a hard time admitting that the 5th gens are the faster car, may not be by much but they are stock for stock mod/mod. then theres the modded up 4th gen racing a stock 5th which doesnt make sense to me of course if you have enough done to it you'll have the upper hand. wait a couple years until a lot more people start modding them then see where you stand. and if im wrong then im wrong, but frankly i dont think i am