Dyno & Bench Racing Forum - Z28 Vs 370z

so this kid wanted to race me back when he was stock and I owned him with 2 people in my car, more than 400lbs extra and ASR ON. now hes got Stillen EVERYTHING (headers, exhaust, intake, ETC) basically making 325rwhp atleast. he dynoed 290rwhp stock. So after spending 3k in parts and who knows how much in labor, these are the results

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLKLXzHPVy4


problem is alot of ricer haters are hating on the match saying that the Z28 sucks. i dont get this. I won FOOLS!!!! so hate on some ricers on the comments if you want. theres also a link to the 2nd race where he wanted 3 people in my car and the ASR back on again

Good kill. What's done to your Z28?

Edlebrock LT and ORY pipe, its the one that starts 1 3/4 and steps up to 1 7/8
jaspers TB, K&N intake, hooker catback, LS6 intake and free ram air.

at the time of the race I had a broken transmission mount and crappy tires. thats been fixed now and hes getting an UD pully so we will see what happens. I expect to kick his ass even worse.

You pulled on him hard!!

Nice kill :)

looks like a steady pull on your part..does he really think its going to be different with an UD pulley?...nice kill

Looks like a decent setup you have. The outcome doesn't suprise me and it won't be any different with his pulley. Those 370's should be a good race for a stock LS1, and with bolt-ons will probably pull a stock LS1, but mod for mod I don't see the 370 pulling out a win with equal driving.

Looks like a decent setup you have. The outcome doesn't suprise me and it won't be any different with his pulley. Those 370's should be a good race for a stock LS1, and with bolt-ons will probably pull a stock LS1, but mod for mod I don't see the 370 pulling out a win with equal driving.

yeah i personally think a Stock LS1 with good tires and driver could take one of these stock. also mod for mod we gain more than they do.

It seems like every ricer on youtube comes out of the woodwork to talk shit on Camaros whenever someone has video of Rice getting spanked by one. 90% of you tube comments are from dislexic morons as it is. Oh yeah...Nice kill

I believe the fastest trap speed for a stock 2007 350Z was around 107 mph with the average being 104-105 mph, making it a good run for a stock LS1 with the LS1 edging it. I figure the 370 should be a bit faster than the 2007 350 since it has the larger motor, but that's just a guess as I haven't seen any at the track yet, and haven't really researched them.

I believe the fastest trap speed for a stock 2007 350Z was around 107 mph with the average being 104-105 mph, making it a good run for a stock LS1 with the LS1 edging it. I figure the 370 should be a bit faster than the 2007 350 since it has the larger motor, but that's just a guess as I haven't seen any at the track yet, and haven't really researched them.

yeah the 370z is better than the 350z in every way possible. its more powerful, bigger cubes, and is actually lighter than the previous 350z. it makes me laugh really cause i think of all the 350z out there that think they could take an ls1.

Yeah, I personally like the 350Z's, but they got a bad rap due to alot of the owners being cocky asshats.

dont the new 370z's pick up like 40rwhp with intake and a tune? or mufflers and a tune? I remember reading something like that.

...I figure the 370 should be a bit faster than the 2007 350 since it has the larger motor, but that's just a guess as I haven't seen any at the track yet, and haven't really researched them.

Got lucky and ran both a Nismo 350Z and a new 370Z on the same road/ same conditions (60-120mph) 2 days apart: the 370Z pulled harder than the "vaunted" NISMO 350Z. I only had maybe 2 cars on the 370Z when I was Lingenfelter CAI, catback, and tune.

Nice run OP. How about next time YOU film though? I'm sure you guys were hauling azz, but only hearing the muted sounds of the twinky engine'd Z made it sound like a sunday drive. :D

op should get a bottle and radials and suprise the 370 lol

Poor kid :(

Got lucky and ran both a Nismo 350Z and a new 370Z on the same road/ same conditions (60-120mph) 2 days apart: the 370Z pulled harder than the "vaunted" NISMO 350Z. I only had maybe 2 cars on the 370Z when I was Lingenfelter CAI, catback, and tune.

That's what I thought would happen, thanks for verifying!

nice kill!

Spent $35,000 to about $42,000 for that ? :lol:




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corvette money ...these kids parents are broke now lol

corvette money ...these kids parents are broke now lol

Hahaha ... This video is making my day.

There are plenty of clean low mileage C6 Corvettes out there for about the same or less than that 370Z.

This is only within a 100 miles of my area.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=100&address=91001&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=CHEV&model=CORV&make2=&start_year=2005&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=8+Cylinder&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_type=priceASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1257264194493


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i raced a stock one before, jumped on him by 3ish cars by 90 and the other driver quit at that point. woulda got worse up top. good kill

Spent $35,000 to about $42,000 for that ? :lol:




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Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I found out the Solstice GXP's and Sky Redlines are like $30K :barf:

Hmm...Solstice or G8?...tough decision :eyes:

He hung pretty good with you on the second race vid.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I found out the Solstice GXP's and Sky Redlines are like $30K :barf:

Hmm...Solstice or G8?...tough decision :eyes:

Guess that whole point is moot now huh.

Spent $35,000 to about $42,000 for that ? :lol:




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ouch! thats the way I look at it

Good Kill - cant wait to smash one up in my old grocery getter.

nice kill

I had only owned/ridden in torquey cars and when i rode in my rich friends brand spankin' new NISMO 370z and when he got on it, i was like "... um... that was full throttle?"
since then i just cant understand why anyone would want to build a car with 100 more HP than TQ... :confused:

370z = LOL

370z = LOL

ouch! thats the way I look at it

:rotflmao:



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Good Kill - cant wait to smash one up in my old grocery getter.

Haha, I was thinking the same thing when I found out the Solstice GXP's and Sky Redlines are like $30K :barf:

Hmm...Solstice or G8?...tough decision :eyes:


I like G8's.


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I had only owned/ridden in torquey cars and when i rode in my rich friends brand spankin' new NISMO 370z and when he got on it, i was like "... um... that was full throttle?"
since then i just cant understand why anyone would want to build a car with 100 more HP than TQ... :confused:


I almost feel sorry for the guy.



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Car starts at $30k, so it's actually a fantastic sports car deal. And as for building a car with more horsepower than torque, ANY motor that breathes well up in the 7-8k rpm range will have more horsepower than torque. The the better breathing/higher you go, the more the defecit will be. That applies to 4cyls, V6s, V8s, whatever. Good kill OP, not surprised at all that with semi-equal mods the LS1 came out on top :thumb:

Those 370Z's are a beast on a twisty road or race track. Takes a well driven C6 to keep up with one on a tighter track I've heard from a few of the local track guys.

Also saw a video done by Top Gear? where the host and a professional driver both took two laps in the 370Z then the GT-R: Familiarization lap then all out. It was a test to see which was easier to drive for drivers who had never driven either one. The pro was able to just barely set the best time with the GT-R: though his 370Z times were only a second or so slower. The host had better times in the Z. The caveat was that the pro said if he had a full day to learn each car the GT-R would get faster while he felt the Z was close to the best it would get.

Just don't tell the idiot owners because they are no doubt already thinning out there genetic gene pool fast enough as it is.

The Nismo edition gets some engine vibration dampers to address the NVH that everyone knows about except for owner/fanboys.

If the oil temp. situation is resolved, it really is a great car for track days, just not dragstrip days...

I haven't seen the vid yet but good kill I guess. What's your car running op? I know 370z's with bolt ons and gears are trapping in the 110 range so I guess your car is around there.

I had only owned/ridden in torquey cars and when i rode in my rich friends brand spankin' new NISMO 370z and when he got on it, i was like "... um... that was full throttle?"
since then i just cant understand why anyone would want to build a car with 100 more HP than TQ... :confused:

Yea cause your 8.40's are fast. I've touched mid 8's on a stock 07.

Looks like a decent setup you have. The outcome doesn't suprise me and it won't be any different with his pulley. Those 370's should be a good race for a stock LS1, and with bolt-ons will probably pull a stock LS1, but mod for mod I don't see the 370 pulling out a win with equal driving.

This.

Stock vs. Stock their very close...bolt on 370Zs will walk a stock LS1. But mod for mod the LS1 will easily beat 370Zs....

dont the new 370z's pick up like 40rwhp with intake and a tune? or mufflers and a tune? I remember reading something like that.

Yeah the 370Zs are responding much better to mods then the 350Zs did but they still don't respond to mods like an LS1 does...

I'll never understand the kids who keep buying new Zs with the purpose of drag racing them.
They'll learn otherwise some day.

Someone feel free to correct me but this 350Z vs 370Z thing went on forever on the my350z forums and the 370Z was actually heavier than the 350Z according to them. So it gained power but also gained some weight. So far I have only heard of one 370Z running near or better than the old 350Z HR record (13.1 @ 107mph for the 350Z).

Nice Kill!! Still waiting to bump into one of these.

Someone feel free to correct me but this 350Z vs 370Z thing went on forever on the my350z forums and the 370Z was actually heavier than the 350Z according to them. So it gained power but also gained some weight. So far I have only heard of one 370Z running near or better than the old 350Z HR record (13.1 @ 107mph for the 350Z).


The 370Z weighs about the same as an 03-04 350Z...its lighter then the 07-08 HR 350Zs....the weight difference is small...some will say it weighs less others will say their the same either way your arguing about a difference of around 50lbs. The average trap speeds of the 370Zs vs. the average trap speeds of the 07-08 HR 350Zs shows the 370Z is averaging around 2-3MPH higher in the 1/4...its clearly a faster car. It won't be long before someone squeeks a high 12 out of a bone stock 370Z...their about identical in straight line performance to a stock LS1.

The 370Z weighs about the same as an 03-04 350Z...its lighter then the 07-08 HR 350Zs....the weight difference is small...some will say it weighs less others will say their the same either way your arguing about a difference of around 50lbs. The average trap speeds of the 370Zs vs. the average trap speeds of the 07-08 HR 350Zs shows the 370Z is averaging around 2-3MPH higher in the 1/4...its clearly a faster car. It won't be long before someone squeeks a high 12 out of a bone stock 370Z...their about identical in straight line performance to a stock LS1.

Thanks I wasn't dead sure on that.. :)

Not surprising. Similar results happened to me racing against one in my lowly Magnum SRT8...

Edlebrock LT and ORY pipe, its the one that starts 1 3/4 and steps up to 1 7/8
jaspers TB, K&N intake, hooker catback, LS6 intake and free ram air.

at the time of the race I had a broken transmission mount and crappy tires. thats been fixed now and hes getting an UD pully so we will see what happens. I expect to kick his ass even worse.

FTRA would help you pull harder, especially up top compared to a UD pulley. Same price for both, about $200

The 370Z weighs about the same as an 03-04 350Z...its lighter then the 07-08 HR 350Zs....the weight difference is small...some will say it weighs less others will say their the same either way your arguing about a difference of around 50lbs. The average trap speeds of the 370Zs vs. the average trap speeds of the 07-08 HR 350Zs shows the 370Z is averaging around 2-3MPH higher in the 1/4...its clearly a faster car. It won't be long before someone squeeks a high 12 out of a bone stock 370Z...their about identical in straight line performance to a stock LS1.

Identical to an LS1 F-body??

Guess you neglected to even watch the video.

Identical to an LS1 F-body??

Guess you neglected to even watch the video.

it doesn't matter what actually happens. the internet has spoken!

Not identical... "about." The 370Zs fall right between 5spd Mach 1s and 6spd LS1s as far as 1/4 mile ETs and trapspeeds.

Not identical... "about." The 370Zs fall right between 5spd Mach 1s and 6spd LS1s as far as 1/4 mile ETs and trapspeeds.

Looks like that full bolt on 370Z got raped pretty bad by that bolt on LS1 F-body to me. I wouldn't call that race "close" or "about" the same. There were no fenderlenghts being counted, more like buslenghts. And remember, the Camaro had 400lbs of extra people in the car.

I was talking about stock cars. I (and basically everyone else in this thread) said that when it comes to mods, the LS1 of course has the edge. Stock they are very close, the 370Z will generally win if it has bolt-ons and the LS1 is stock, and mod for mod the LS1 will most always comes out on top. Stop trying to turn what I'm saying around to try and fit what you think I mean.

Yea cause your 8.40's are fast. I've touched mid 8's on a stock 07.

lol im not really talking about quarter mile times actually. i was kinda talking about how the car drives. i would much rather have an 8.40 car that puts u in the seat driving around town without even dropping a gear. i mean my grand prix would start pulling at like 2500 rpms lol. i just cant see the fun in having to rev the piss out of a motor just for a little get up and go.
but really all of that is opinion lol.

its been a while since i checked this out so i got a couple things to say:
1st whats an FTRA? what do you mean by that, also im not planning on getting an UD pully, the 370z guy is the one getting one, but now it looks like he wont since hes read up on alot of problems it causes on his car.

2nd how is a well driven C6 just "keeping up" with a 370z?!?!?! if the new camaro SS BEAT the 370z Nismo around Laguna Seca,(look it up, Motor Trend Best Drivers Car 2009, Camaro SS did 105sec the Nismo 370Z did 106sec) then what do you think a C6 would do to the 370z.

3rd I dont think anyone would be able to get into the high 12 on a 370z unless they are not using stock rubber, but completely stock i dont think so.

Finally im looking for someone who has a Stock LS1 manual 6 that could run this kid, to see how it measures up...so if anyone has a stock one around south florida, particularly around Miramar let me know

its been a while since i checked this out so i got a couple things to say:
1st whats an FTRA? what do you mean by that, also im not planning on getting an UD pully, the 370z guy is the one getting one, but now it looks like he wont since hes read up on alot of problems it causes on his car.

2nd how is a well driven C6 just "keeping up" with a 370z?!?!?! if the new camaro SS BEAT the 370z Nismo around Laguna Seca,(look it up, Motor Trend Best Drivers Car 2009, Camaro SS did 105sec the Nismo 370Z did 106sec) then what do you think a C6 would do to the 370z.

3rd I dont think anyone would be able to get into the high 12 on a 370z unless they are not using stock rubber, but completely stock i dont think so.

Finally im looking for someone who has a Stock LS1 manual 6 that could run this kid, to see how it measures up...so if anyone has a stock one around south florida, particularly around Miramar let me know

fast toys ram air

lol im not really talking about quarter mile times actually. i was kinda talking about how the car drives. i would much rather have an 8.40 car that puts u in the seat driving around town without even dropping a gear. i mean my grand prix would start pulling at like 2500 rpms lol. i just cant see the fun in having to rev the piss out of a motor just for a little get up and go.
but really all of that is opinion lol.
I feel ya man, I love low-end torque as well. And when it comes to LS1s, you can't really make the argument that they sacrifice top-end power for torque. But cars that LIKE to rev can be really fun as well. It's kinda like riding a 600cc sportbike. Getting around town doesn't require you to rev TOO much, but you can really wind it out if you want and it will do it willingly.

3rd I dont think anyone would be able to get into the high 12 on a 370z unless they are not using stock rubber, but completely stock i dont think so.


All we can do is wait and see :drive:

I was talking about stock cars. I (and basically everyone else in this thread) said that when it comes to mods, the LS1 of course has the edge. Stock they are very close, the 370Z will generally win if it has bolt-ons and the LS1 is stock, and mod for mod the LS1 will most always comes out on top. Stop trying to turn what I'm saying around to try and fit what you think I mean.

X2. Neither car in the video was stock so it can't be used in a stock vs stock argument.

First and foremost i was a my350Z board guy for a few years..My screen name was vettesAreBetter..As I owned a 04 Vette at the time and would constantly school these clowns on how much faster a LS1 is than a 350Z..

When I left the board in 2006...The record for a bone stock C5 was 12.6 at 112 mph..The record for a bone stock LS1 camaro was 12.8 at 110 mph..The record for a bone stock 350Z was 13.5 at 106 mph....No way someone got a stock 350Z to touch 13.1...Dose hopped up versions of the 350Z were mostly aestetic/suspension...

I do beleave that the new 370Z will touch a 13.0 at 109 mph bone stock...Makeing it a very impressive car..Especially for a jap car...

But even more impressive is this...Ive been lucky and been blessed to own some awesome sports cars...98 camaro/04 vette/99 Viper/03 Viper/91 nsx.....

BUT WHEN I SAW A 370Z THE OTHER DAY MY JAW DROPPED.....I HAD TO REMIND MY SELF THAT THIS 35K CAR IS FAR INFERIOR TO THE 50-85 K VETT/VIPER/NSX I HAVE OWNED....But no matter how I tried to justify how it's just a 370Z...

I COULDNT GET OVER HOW BEAUTIFUL THE CAR LOOKED....It seriously looked a lot like a Audi R8 to me....

Now Im not gonna go out and buy one or anything...But man oh man if I was a 20 year old kid who just started making decent money this would defiently be that car I would lust over....47K base for a Vette is just too expensive..But 30K base for the 370Z is a awesome deal....

Good Kill OP...Looked like a pretty easy win for the maro....I will just never stopp being impressed with the LS1....That engine came out in late 1996 for the 1997 Vettes..So the LS1 was available 13 YEARS ago...And it's still kicking ass against brand new cars

When I left the board in 2006....
This is why you have not heard of any 350Zs running better then a mid 13. The HR 350Zs didnt come out until 07 and are noticeably quicker then the pre 07 350Zs.


..No way someone got a stock 350Z to touch 13.1...
Its definitely not the norm but a few HR 350Zs have ran 13.1s and 13.2s bone stock....

Eventually someone will pull a 12.8/12.9 out of a bone stock 370Z I can assure you that...they are nearly identical to an LS1 stock vs stock in the straight line. If that major automotive magazines can pull a 13.1 out of a stock automatic 370Z then without a doubt someone can pull a high 12 out of one...

Well..Their are always gonna be fast tracks I suppose....Here in Hawaii the fastest 350Z ran a 14.0..All the others were 14.1-14.4...Maybey just a tad quicker than the SRT4's...

How the record went from 13.5 to 13.1 is very hard to swallow..AS I dont remember the HR or what ever version really being any differant than the reg 350Z other then BS stuff..Actually if anything it looked less arodynamic..

http://my350z.com/forum/drag/233840-top-25-1-4-mile-times-for-tt-st-supercharger-nitrous-bolt-ons-stock.html
100% stock down to the tire

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED


1. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.150@107.62mph 2.027 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.157@105.32mph 1.938 60ft

the new camaro SS BEAT the 370z Nismo around Laguna Seca,(look it up, Motor Trend Best Drivers Car 2009, Camaro SS did 105sec the Nismo 370Z did 106sec) then what do you think a C6 would do to the 370z.

3rd I dont think anyone would be able to get into the high 12 on a 370z unless they are not using stock rubber, but completely stock i dont think so.


I was surprised it didn't beat the Camaro around LS. I have two theories about that:
1. The gearing of the Camaro was more conducive the long 60-100mph straights at LS.
2. The 370 tended to drift a lot. I wonder if it was an alignment away from 1-2 second better time?

When I left the board in 2006...The record for a bone stock C5 was 12.6 at 112 mph..The record for a bone stock LS1 camaro was 12.8 at 110 mph..

I do beleave that the new 370Z will touch a 13.0 at 109 mph bone stock...Makeing it a very impressive car..Especially for a jap car...


This caught my attention.

The 112mph C5 was undoubtably an FRC?

I would like to see proof of a 110mph stock LS1. To my knowledge, it's 109mph.

If the 370Z can trap 109mph and the automatic did 108mph in C&D, all it takes is a low 1.9x 60ft for a 12sec run...

I personally watched an '02 WS6 run a 12.99 @ 110mph with just a whisper lid and SFCs. So yeah, I guess 109mph bone stock sounds about right.

http://my350z.com/forum/drag/233840-top-25-1-4-mile-times-for-tt-st-supercharger-nitrous-bolt-ons-stock.html
100% stock down to the tire

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED


1. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.150@107.62mph 2.027 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.157@105.32mph 1.938 60ft

Verified by....?

Let me guess, the person making the claim :eyes:

Ricers will lie about mods and times to make themselves look good, thats a known fact. And there is no reason to believe those cars were stock, I'm sure they at least had DR's.

I was surprised it didn't beat the Camaro around LS. I have two theories about that:
1. The gearing of the Camaro was more conducive the long 60-100mph straights at LS.
2. The 370 tended to drift a lot. I wonder if it was an alignment away from 1-2 second better time?



This caught my attention.

The 112mph C5 was undoubtably an FRC?

I would like to see proof of a 110mph stock LS1. To my knowledge, it's 109mph.

If the 370Z can trap 109mph and the automatic did 108mph in C&D, all it takes is a low 1.9x 60ft for a 12sec run...


years ago i developed a bone stock C5 list....I will locate it and post it up..C5's are undoubtably faster than the camaros...Birds...Especially in high speed rolls and 1/4 mile trapp speeds and 2 tenths or so faster 1/4 mile wise..

Ill find it...

Verified by....?

Let me guess, the person making the claim :eyes:

Ricers will lie about mods and times to make themselves look good, thats a known fact. And there is no reason to believe those cars were stock, I'm sure they at least had DR's.

Ranger Armstrong and Jamie Furman are lying too, huh? Just because somebody drives a certain type of car doesn't make them more prone to lying or telling the truth.

I have the biggest cock...end of thread.:guns:

I was surprised it didn't beat the Camaro around LS. I have two theories about that:
1. The gearing of the Camaro was more conducive the long 60-100mph straights at LS.
2. The 370 tended to drift a lot. I wonder if it was an alignment away from 1-2 second better time?




You could actually see the videos of the cars running themselves. the reason the driver gave that the 370z did not go as fast was that it simply was lacking power, those are the words out of his mouth. In actuality the 370z had the 4th highest G average, 1st being ZR1, 2nd R8, and 3rd Caymen S, meaning that the 370z basically had the 4th best grip. if you watch the vids on youtube( just type Camaro SS laps Laguna Seca youll find it) the camaro drifted more, but regardless was faster.

I have the biggest cock...end of thread.:guns:

I bet my rooster is twice the size of yours.:guns:

nice kill...i gotta admit tho IMO you didnt really run away from him like i thought you would before i watched....i got a chance to read some post before watchin the vid and some people in here made it seem like you had lengths on the kid...judgin from the time he let out of it, it looked like you had a 1 3/4 on him maybe 2 at best. That is a solid kill, but Some of you guys should get out more

OK...Heres the C5 bone stock list I made years ago showing what LS1's can really do dead stock...It's one thing to say that you think the 370 will do it....The LS1's have been their and done that over and over again....


100 % BONE STOCK LIST DOWN TO THE TIRES AND PAPER AIR FILTER



A4 2.73'S COUPE AND CONVERTABLE

SLOWVETTE...A4...2.73...13.1...106

TURBOBOB87...A4...2.73...13.1...105

EVILC5...A4...2.73...13.2...106

DEFORMULA...A4...2.73...13.2...106

S383S...A4...2.73...13.2...105

LS6RAT...A4...2.73...13.3...105

ELECTRONC5...A4...2.73...13.4...105

LARON...A4...2.73...13.5...104

NAT04Z06'SDAD...A4...2.73...13.5...104

KUNGFURUCK...A4...2.73...13.5...104

PONCHORELLO...A4...2.73...13.5...103

OKLAHOMA...A4...2.73...13.5...103

CLIPENSKI...A4...2.73...13.7...105

BLACKVETTESRBEST...A4...2.73...13.7...10 2

RAYSVETTE...A4...2.73...13.9...???

XCLR8N...A4...2.73...14.0...103






A4 3.15'S COUPE AND CONVERTABLE

JIMK98...A4...3.15...12.9...107

RYANBUSH#1...A4...3.15...13.0...105

ROBO01C5...A4...3.15...13.1...107

STANGER383...A4...3.15...13.1...106

RYANBUSH#2...A4...3.15...13.3...108

MIKEV...A4...3.15...13.3...107

MACOMAAN...A4...3.15...13.3...105

JAYGOOD...A4...315...13.3...105

DAVID426...A4...3.15...13.3...105

WT99C5...A4...3.15...13.3...104

BEAST...A4...3.15...13.3...103

IMPORTEATER...A4...3.15...13.4...105

CHAASE...A4...3.15...13.4...103

LSK...A4...3.15...13.6...104

GLOCK...A4...3.15...13.6...103

C5THRILER...A4...3.15...13.7...105

SHURITTE44...A4...3.15...13.7...103

ARBUCK...A4...3.15...13.7...101





MN6 3.42'S COUPE, CONVERTABLE AND F.R.C. (NO Z06'S)

TORCHDU...MN6...12.8...110

02BLACKZ...MN6...12.9...111

CAJUNDUDE...MN6...12.9...110

MGORMAN...MN6...13.0...111

AQUAMAN...MN6...13.0...109

JOHNSHIELS...MN6...13.0...108

GSXRJACK...MN6...13.0...107

GBJORK50...MN6...13.1...110

LS1VETTE97...MN6...13.2...108

MARKVIII...MN6...13.2...107

1BADPURPLELTI...MN6...13.3...107

LASTMANGO...MN6...13.3...106

502CI...MN6...13.3...106

CARSRFUN DAD...MN6...13.3...105

CSCOKD...MN6...13.4...107

FRCBOBBY...MN6...13.4...105

NAV108...MN6...13.5...109

LVVETTE...MN6...14.1...101

KENDO347...MN6...14.1...100




Im proud to say that im LARON up their with the 2.73 geared auto that ran the 13.5 at 104 mph...easily whooping the 14.0 put out by the fastest 350Z at my drag strip stock vrs stock here in Hawaii

Ranger Armstrong and Jamie Furman are lying too, huh? Just because somebody drives a certain type of car doesn't make them more prone to lying or telling the truth.
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Honestly I question their times...Especially Jamie. I like him as he seems to be a nice guy..But setting a record every time you touch a car on your first outing with it is a bit hard to swallow....

Then again most millionaires dont drag race....He has the time/resources/vehicles to do it. As well I hear he personally rents out the tracks...So He could be 100% legit...

They say it's like this....

11.6 in a stock ACR Viper gen 2

10.9 in a st0ck Z06

\11.0 in a stock ACR Viper gen 4

10.9 in a stock convertable Viper gen 4

No matter who you are it is hard to beleave that one man can posess so much God given skill..But never the less he has witnesses to all these times...

Sorry for the derail...

I would like to see proof of a 110mph stock LS1. To my knowledge, it's 109mph.



My stock WS6 went 12.82 @ 110 mph, granted it was a cool night (about 50*) but it still pulled the time.

Verified by....?

Let me guess, the person making the claim :eyes:

Ricers will lie about mods and times to make themselves look good, thats a known fact. And there is no reason to believe those cars were stock, I'm sure they at least had DR's.

Wow you are such a waste of time.

Just because somebody drives a certain type of car doesn't make them more prone to lying or telling the truth.

hmmm, not so sure about that one. lol!


10.9 in a stock convertable Viper gen 4



Can you provide a link to that? That's the first I've heard of it. 600hp it's possible though..


My stock WS6 went 12.82 @ 110 mph, granted it was a cool night (about 50*) but it still pulled the time.

No weight reduction? What track? Bone stock to the filter and same width tires?

If legit, I guess there can be one. I doubted the 110mph LS2 GTO times too but one is lighter than everyone elses and the other had a short-throw shifter.

One thing that has to be considered is aerodynamics.... A 4th gen f-body is more aerodynamic than a SRT8, which is a brick. I ran a Cherokee SRT8 from a roll and stay ahead by a car. I heard and felt the guy maxing out the motor at top end, but my TA kept going...I know because I own a Magnum SRt8 and the sound is quite familiar to me. The little Trans Am with a few mods kept it at bay. I seriously though he would kick my ass but was wrong...why? IMO aerodynamics...the TA slices through more easily than the Jeep!! Just my 2 cents.

No weight reduction? What track? Bone stock to the filter and same width tires?

If legit, I guess there can be one. I doubted the 110mph LS2 GTO times too but one is lighter than everyone elses and the other had a short-throw shifter.

My guess would be the lid and/or catback option was on his. So far without a clean run (spinning bad enough to require letting off) I've picked up close to 1 full MPH with my lid/fra setup over my stock 108.59mph traps in about equal conditions (the most recent being slightly worse than the previous).

Mod for Mod the 370z will keep falling further behind. People still have stock LS1's that race? the fuck?

IMO the 370z looks quite good, okay pricing and pretty damn quick for what it is, just not made for drag racing of course.

No weight reduction? What track? Bone stock to the filter and same width tires?

If legit, I guess there can be one. I doubted the 110mph LS2 GTO times too but one is lighter than everyone elses and the other had a short-throw shifter.


Yeah no weight reduction or anything, alot of people were shocked me being one of them.

My first time ever driving a stick at a drag strip was that car and it went 13.3 @ 108 mph.

Verified by....?

Let me guess, the person making the claim :eyes:

Ricers will lie about mods and times to make themselves look good, thats a known fact. And there is no reason to believe those cars were stock, I'm sure they at least had DR's.

Actually it's not, it's verified by a moderator on the site via pm with timeslip. Those cars were stock. Why is it so hard to believe?

Actually it's not, it's verified by a moderator on the site via pm with timeslip. Those cars were stock. Why is it so hard to believe?

cause you can can send a picture of any timeslip you want and have it "verified" that way. for a 350z to run 13.1 would take nothing short of the stars to align, and to drop an ls1 in it.

The 370Z weighs about the same as an 03-04 350Z...its lighter then the 07-08 HR 350Zs....the weight difference is small...some will say it weighs less others will say their the same either way your arguing about a difference of around 50lbs. The average trap speeds of the 370Zs vs. the average trap speeds of the 07-08 HR 350Zs shows the 370Z is averaging around 2-3MPH higher in the 1/4...its clearly a faster car. It won't be long before someone squeeks a high 12 out of a bone stock 370Z...their about identical in straight line performance to a stock LS1.

Nope. Exact specs. for weights for every different year the Z was made for clarification. All numbers were from the base model. Any other models were no more than 50lbs more in all model years since they pretty much added the same options.

03-05, all were the same in the interior. Weighing in at 3188.

06, 3339, revised engine producing 300 hp @ 7000 rpm, along with revised interior increasing the weight nearly 200 lbs. bixenon headlights, 18" wheels standard etc.

07, 3339, same as 06, standard bixenon headlights etc.

370Z 3374, now this is a huge misconception. The 370Z is the heaviest of all the Z's. Everyone expected it to weigh less that the 350Z because of claims etc. So then right before production Nissan had to add safety equipment adding weight.

Now some people are wondering if the quickest 03-05 went 13.5 @ xxx mph how is it possible the 07-08 went low 13's. Easy. Check this out.

http://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/410769-stock-de-vs-revup-vs-hr-vs-vhr-numbers.html

That is a dyno showing that the 03-05 averages 230 whp on a dyno, the 06 averages 240 whp on a dyno, hr averages 260 whp, and the VHR(370) 280 whp. So there is a difference of 40 whp between the 03-07 Z's. Now add in some low DA's and some great Atco like track prep and I put money on it you could easily do 13.0's 13.1's all day long on stock treads.

Some of you on this board need to open up your minds. Just because you have a LS1 powered car doesn't mean you have to be ignorant (unknowing) to other cars, that's how the wrong information is spread. Now some people truly believe the Z's are 14 second cars. I drove mine stock to a 13.9 on shitty tires with a shitty 2.1 60' my first night out ever in RWD. So with more practice some better tires I'm willing to bet I could crank out a 1.9 60' and do 13.5's and that's with an 06.

Also our cars are not geared anything like the C5's or the LS1 Z28's. They are extremely long gears meant for the strip. Whereas our cars are made more for track racing and autox. Hence why we're in and out of the 1-4 gears so quickly. I give respect to the LS1's because I know firsthand what they can do. But I know a 06+ Z with some gears, a good driver, and some boltons will be able to hang with one pretty well.

Also whoever posted that shit up about a gen 4 ACR Viper going 10.90. Show me that slip asap. Last I checked the record time for any of them was a 11.50at Atco.

I believe the fastest trap speed for a stock 2007 350Z was around 107 mph with the average being 104-105 mph, making it a good run for a stock LS1 with the LS1 edging it. I figure the 370 should be a bit faster than the 2007 350 since it has the larger motor, but that's just a guess as I haven't seen any at the track yet, and haven't really researched them.

Most stock LS1's with a decent driver (fbody not GTO) will do 108-109..

You could actually see the videos of the cars running themselves. the reason the driver gave that the 370z did not go as fast was that it simply was lacking power, those are the words out of his mouth. In actuality the 370z had the 4th highest G average, 1st being ZR1, 2nd R8, and 3rd Caymen S, meaning that the 370z basically had the 4th best grip. if you watch the vids on youtube( just type Camaro SS laps Laguna Seca youll find it) the camaro drifted more, but regardless was faster.

Disregard the fact that it has 100 more hp. That carries a car very far. But even with that disadvantage the Z only lost by a second. The Camaro has more displacement and is only 1 sec faster. Hm what's the better buy?

Nope. Exact specs. for weights for every different year the Z was made for clarification. All numbers were from the base model. Any other models were no more than 50lbs more in all model years since they pretty much added the same options.

03-05, all were the same in the interior. Weighing in at 3188.

06, 3339, revised engine producing 300 hp @ 7000 rpm, along with revised interior increasing the weight nearly 200 lbs. bixenon headlights, 18" wheels standard etc.

07, 3339, same as 06, standard bixenon headlights etc.

370Z 3374, now this is a huge misconception. The 370Z is the heaviest of all the Z's. Everyone expected it to weigh less that the 350Z because of claims etc. So then right before production Nissan had to add safety equipment adding weight.

Now some people are wondering if the quickest 03-05 went 13.5 @ xxx mph how is it possible the 07-08 went low 13's. Easy. Check this out.

http://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/410769-stock-de-vs-revup-vs-hr-vs-vhr-numbers.html

That is a dyno showing that the 03-05 averages 230 whp on a dyno, the 06 averages 240 whp on a dyno, hr averages 260 whp, and the VHR(370) 280 whp. So there is a difference of 40 whp between the 03-07 Z's. Now add in some low DA's and some great Atco like track prep and I put money on it you could easily do 13.0's 13.1's all day long on stock treads.

Some of you on this board need to open up your minds. Just because you have a LS1 powered car doesn't mean you have to be ignorant (unknowing) to other cars, that's how the wrong information is spread. Now some people truly believe the Z's are 14 second cars. I drove mine stock to a 13.9 on shitty tires with a shitty 2.1 60' my first night out ever in RWD. So with more practice some better tires I'm willing to bet I could crank out a 1.9 60' and do 13.5's and that's with an 06.

Also our cars are not geared anything like the C5's or the LS1 Z28's. They are extremely long gears meant for the strip. Whereas our cars are made more for track racing and autox. Hence why we're in and out of the 1-4 gears so quickly. I give respect to the LS1's because I know firsthand what they can do. But I know a 06+ Z with some gears, a good driver, and some boltons will be able to hang with one pretty well.

Also whoever posted that shit up about a gen 4 ACR Viper going 10.90. Show me that slip asap. Last I checked the record time for any of them was a 11.50at Atco.



Wow your jokeing about the gen4 Vipers right??????

The bad drivers have been running 11.6-11.9 at 126-127 mph in them...The decent drivers have been running 11.4-11.7 at 128-129 mph...The good drivers have been running 11.1-11.4 at 129-130 mph...

The fastest was a 10.92 at 129.83 set by Jamie furman..beating out the C6Z06 by nerarly a tenth...

The 11.5 your referring to was set by Viper Jim in a gen3 Viper..These are the 500 HP Vipers from 2003-2006...They average high 11's to low 12's...But two people have managed 11.5 in the gen3's and quite a few 11.6's have been acomplished...

Ill go get you the proof...

OK...This is a list I have been working on for about two years...My latest entry was done this month....I also made list for the gen1 and gen 2 Vipers as well..

This list is for the 2003-2006 gen3 Vipers with 500 HP...I can see how you would think the record for the gen4 is only 11.5 as the gen3 and gen4 look very much alike...Ive owned two Vipers and honestly counting my own two Ive seen maybe 10 Vipers in my life...So again it is very easy to mistake a gen 4 as a gen 3..they look 98% the same..

So heres the list for the gen 3 Vipers with 500 HP...


GEN 3

SpeedFreak.2006Vert...11.5...122.6mph

ViperJim......2003Vert...11.5...121mph

JustinBell....2003Vert...11.7...123.6mph
Motor Trend: Speeding! Top-Speed Shootout

JohnMyrick....2003Vert...11.8...122.9mph

UtahViper.....2003Vert...11.8...119mph

Outfan2929....2003Vert....11.8...119mph

RickMay.......2004Vert...11.9...123mph

Eagle..........2004Vert...11.9....123mph

Dman..........2003vert...11.9...122.3mph

Hamrhead......2006Coupe..11.9...122mph

Ulllose.......2003Vert...11.9...121mph

Boosted349..2006Coupe.12.0 at 121 mph

TomDickson....2004Vert...12.0...118mph

MrJ...........2003Vert...12.2...120mph

RickMartino...2003Vert...12.1...118mph

IvanHo........2003Vert...12.2...119mph

Omore001...2006Coupe..12.4 at 121 mph
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http://forums.viperclub.org/srt10-srt10-coupe-discussions/624348-bone-stock-srt-10s.html

The link above is for the 10.92 record in a gen4 Viper ( the 2008 and up model with 600 HP)

These 2008 Vipers are simply evil beaste....Again 128-130 mph trapps seems to be nonthing for them...As well video footage has shown that stock vs stock they will walk away from a c6Z06 and be a few cars ahead by 150 mph...They are just eveil

Z33option (new troll) vs crashemall


This could get good.

Disregard the fact that it has 100 more hp. That carries a car very far. But even with that disadvantage the Z only lost by a second. The Camaro has FI and more displacement and is only 1 sec faster. Hm what's the better buy?

Hes talking about the new SS Camaro that only has a N/A LS3 in it making about 430 hp at the crank. There is no Camaro offered ever to my knowledge with FI on it.

ive ran plenty of 350 zs and have stroked all of them, some were modified. and i have a bone stock 01 z28 m6.....been wantin to get ahold of a 370 tho:D it might be a driver issue but from my experiences 350 zs are slooowww

BTW..While we are still on the 370Z subject...260-280 rwhp and 3400 pounds dose not equate to an automatic 12 second car...The LS1's REALLY dyno 290-310 rwhp...My 2004 AUTOMATIC LS1 dynoed 299 rwhp SAE bone stock and only weighed 3270 pounds..And thats a 12 second car with the grace of God....Your talking about a 270 rwhp car at 3400 pounds..A 13.2 would be pretty good to say the leaste...

With an average of 270 rwhp and 3370 pounds vrs the average of 300 rwhp for the LS1 and 3450 pounds it's not hard to see why the LS1's in a 1998 camaro will still edge out the 370Z...

I know you love your car and I as well think the new 370Z is BEAUTIFUL and I almost bought a 350Z when they first came out...But your fighting a fire by throwing bits of bacon brother...Every vid you will see will show the LS1's kicking ass....

In my 99 Viper with 450 freaking HP I had a few LS1's give me fits with just bolt ons or cam ect....A 350Z could be supercharged and I would have just laughed and only a TT would have made me worry any....Shit..A TT LS1 and I wont even show up to race..Whats the point..Im getting murdered no matter what I show up in...

Again all bullshit aside....I havent owned a camaro or vette in atleaste 4 years....But the LS1's are dayum impressive no matter what you drive *****except for the fat ass ugly GTO's...They are slow pieces of shit************

Nobody can deny that magazines have run 13.1-13.3 in both the HR 350Zs and the 370Zs... a 12.9-13.0 isn't exactly a wide stretch of the imagination.

Nope. Exact specs. for weights for every different year the Z was made for clarification. All numbers were from the base model. Any other models were no more than 50lbs more in all model years since they pretty much added the same options.

03-05, all were the same in the interior. Weighing in at 3188.

06, 3339, revised engine producing 300 hp @ 7000 rpm, along with revised interior increasing the weight nearly 200 lbs. bixenon headlights, 18" wheels standard etc.

07, 3339, same as 06, standard bixenon headlights etc.

370Z 3374, now this is a huge misconception. The 370Z is the heaviest of all the Z's. Everyone expected it to weigh less that the 350Z because of claims etc. So then right before production Nissan had to add safety equipment adding weight.

Now some people are wondering if the quickest 03-05 went 13.5 @ xxx mph how is it possible the 07-08 went low 13's. Easy. Check this out.

http://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/410769-stock-de-vs-revup-vs-hr-vs-vhr-numbers.html

That is a dyno showing that the 03-05 averages 230 whp on a dyno, the 06 averages 240 whp on a dyno, hr averages 260 whp, and the VHR(370) 280 whp. So there is a difference of 40 whp between the 03-07 Z's. Now add in some low DA's and some great Atco like track prep and I put money on it you could easily do 13.0's 13.1's all day long on stock treads.

Some of you on this board need to open up your minds. Just because you have a LS1 powered car doesn't mean you have to be ignorant (unknowing) to other cars, that's how the wrong information is spread. Now some people truly believe the Z's are 14 second cars. I drove mine stock to a 13.9 on shitty tires with a shitty 2.1 60' my first night out ever in RWD. So with more practice some better tires I'm willing to bet I could crank out a 1.9 60' and do 13.5's and that's with an 06.

Also our cars are not geared anything like the C5's or the LS1 Z28's. They are extremely long gears meant for the strip. Whereas our cars are made more for track racing and autox. Hence why we're in and out of the 1-4 gears so quickly. I give respect to the LS1's because I know firsthand what they can do. But I know a 06+ Z with some gears, a good driver, and some boltons will be able to hang with one pretty well.

Also whoever posted that shit up about a gen 4 ACR Viper going 10.90. Show me that slip asap. Last I checked the record time for any of them was a 11.50at Atco.

QFTT!!! :hail:

I think the 370 z would be better with a rb in it, or atleast an option for it. I mean dam a 450 hp 370 z turbo would put the hurt on some v8 boys. But no one in nissan has any nuts to build it. Same thing for GM. Why the hell the new ss dident get a blower option. I know u can swap shit for days between gm cars but some people dont want to deal with it. The zr1 got a blower hell the zr1 blower will fit in the cowl with no issues.

I think the 370 z would be better with a rb in it, or atleast an option for it. I mean dam a 450 hp 370 z turbo would put the hurt on some v8 boys. But no one in nissan has any nuts to build it. Same thing for GM. Why the hell the new ss dident get a blower option. I know u can swap shit for days between gm cars but some people dont want to deal with it. The zr1 got a blower hell the zr1 blower will fit in the cowl with no issues.

There are current plans for an LSA Z28 Camaro.
Or atleast that is what I read in the November 09 R&T...

LOL, Location NJ/Japan... Somebody's a weaboo (Z33 Option). And that is coming from a three times Nissan owner, looking for my fourth...

i kinda like the new 370s, what are you talking about gears though? were running 3:23s and 2:73s stock.... those arent strip gears by any means, 4:10s are strip gears, if you wanna talk gears id like to see a stock but stalled and geared auto vs a geared 370, id say the ls1 would come out on top.
to the op, good kill

Also im kinda curious what a slp optioned ss would do handling wise vs a 370, theres cars arent bad handling like a lot of people think

Z33option (new troll) vs crashemall


This could get good.

I'm a troll because I stick around in the kills section, drag sections and have 0 posts?

BTW..While we are still on the 370Z subject...260-280 rwhp and 3400 pounds dose not equate to an automatic 12 second car...The LS1's REALLY dyno 290-310 rwhp...My 2004 AUTOMATIC LS1 dynoed 299 rwhp SAE bone stock and only weighed 3270 pounds..And thats a 12 second car with the grace of God....Your talking about a 270 rwhp car at 3400 pounds..A 13.2 would be pretty good to say the leaste...

With an average of 270 rwhp and 3370 pounds vrs the average of 300 rwhp for the LS1 and 3450 pounds it's not hard to see why the LS1's in a 1998 camaro will still edge out the 370Z...

I know you love your car and I as well think the new 370Z is BEAUTIFUL and I almost bought a 350Z when they first came out...But your fighting a fire by throwing bits of bacon brother...Every vid you will see will show the LS1's kicking ass....

In my 99 Viper with 450 freaking HP I had a few LS1's give me fits with just bolt ons or cam ect....A 350Z could be supercharged and I would have just laughed and only a TT would have made me worry any....Shit..A TT LS1 and I wont even show up to race..Whats the point..Im getting murdered no matter what I show up in...

Again all bullshit aside....I havent owned a camaro or vette in atleaste 4 years....But the LS1's are dayum impressive no matter what you drive *****except for the fat ass ugly GTO's...They are slow pieces of shit************

I completely agree that yes a LS1 car will pull a bolt on 350Z. Ah were beating a dead horse.

However you're telling me that you'd struggle with bolt on LS1 cars, but not the TT 350z's? Well a stock block supercharged Z puts out just as much as a single turbo, TT, bolt on 150 shot etc. They all would trap in the 120 range so how is it that only a TT would give you worries. Might want to stay alert in that Viper. But the 370z's are able to handle 600 rwhp+ on the stock blocks so you really need to worry.

I think the 370 z would be better with a rb in it, or atleast an option for it. I mean dam a 450 hp 370 z turbo would put the hurt on some v8 boys. But no one in nissan has any nuts to build it. Same thing for GM. Why the hell the new ss dident get a blower option. I know u can swap shit for days between gm cars but some people dont want to deal with it. The zr1 got a blower hell the zr1 blower will fit in the cowl with no issues.

The RB is heavier, and also throws off the cars weight distribution.

i kinda like the new 370s, what are you talking about gears though? were running 3:23s and 2:73s stock.... those arent strip gears by any means, 4:10s are strip gears, if you wanna talk gears id like to see a stock but stalled and geared auto vs a geared 370, id say the ls1 would come out on top.
to the op, good kill

What I mean by track gearing is that when you leave that line, your cars make torque, so if you have the meat to handle it you're going to really be hauling ass. Our cars are geared much shorter with a 3.56 fd so coming off the line it's difficult for us to hook in 1st. With the geared vs geared matchup it would really be a decent matchup. I know 350z's when geared gain on average 2-3 mph on their ET. So assmuming a stock 370z traps a given 105 it's going to be sitting in the 107-108 range from gears alone so from a dig you're stalled geared ls1 would come out on top but not by much but from say a roll the 370Z I'd say would get it.

There are current plans for an LSA Z28 Camaro.
Or atleast that is what I read in the November 09 R&T...

LOL, Location NJ/Japan... Somebody's a weaboo (Z33 Option). And that is coming from a three times Nissan owner, looking for my fourth...

What's so funny about my location? And who cares what or how many Nissan's you've owned.

Hes talking about the new SS Camaro that only has a N/A LS3 in it making about 430 hp at the crank. There is no Camaro offered ever to my knowledge with FI on it.

Sorry thought they had a supercharger. Sorry for that.

Wow your jokeing about the gen4 Vipers right??????

The bad drivers have been running 11.6-11.9 at 126-127 mph in them...The decent drivers have been running 11.4-11.7 at 128-129 mph...The good drivers have been running 11.1-11.4 at 129-130 mph...

The fastest was a 10.92 at 129.83 set by Jamie furman..beating out the C6Z06 by nerarly a tenth...

The 11.5 your referring to was set by Viper Jim in a gen3 Viper..These are the 500 HP Vipers from 2003-2006...They average high 11's to low 12's...But two people have managed 11.5 in the gen3's and quite a few 11.6's have been acomplished...

Ill go get you the proof...

Ok makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

Sorry thought they had a supercharger. Sorry for that.

NP just clarifying. :cool:

Disregard the fact that it has 100 more hp. That carries a car very far. But even with that disadvantage the Z only lost by a second. The Camaro has more displacement and is only 1 sec faster. Hm what's the better buy?

the better buy is the Camaro SS, why you ask, cause its was priced at 32k as tested in that article and the Nismo 370z was priced 40K as tested. Why would anyone buy the 370z, which has a higher base price than the Camaro SS? i think its just stupid. and like other people said here before, with that money you could get a lightly used C6 Vette. personally i think the 370z is simply not as good as the new camaro SS. 370z costs more and has less standard features than the SS. the SS gets Brembo 14" brakes standard, the 370z does not. and I just love the fact that the SS beat teh Nismo at its own game. so what it if has 100 more horses, that just makes the Nismo look pointless! why get the Nismo when you could get the car with 100more horse power for less?!?!?!

So in your opinion there is absolutely no reason anybody would get a 370Z instead of a Camaro? Some people like driving cars that aren't ~3,900lbs, and some people like actual sports cars. So I imagine some of those people might get a 370Z over a Camaro SS.

You put your location as NJ/Japan. Well, wich is it? You sound like some tool that wishes he was in Japan, hence the weaboo comment. Or atleast I assume this because you're coming off as a serious troll. Correct me if I'm wrong...

So in your opinion there is absolutely no reason anybody would get a 370Z instead of a Camaro? Some people like driving cars that aren't ~3,900lbs, and some people like actual sports cars. So I imagine some of those people might get a 370Z over a Camaro SS.

So your logic is the 370Z is slower than the SS but more of a sports car!?? :huh:

So your logic is the 370Z is slower than the SS but more of a sports car!?? :huh:

The 370Z is definitely more of a sports car. And its not much slower in straight line speeds stock vs. stock...remember the 370Z runs about the same times as a stock LS1 does...

The 370Z is definitely more of a sports car. And its not much slower in straight line speeds stock vs. stock...remember the 370Z runs about the same times as a stock LS1 does...


2010 370z car v. 1999 LS1 car.....all those years and LS1 is still about equal in straight line. Nuff' said....

2010 370z car v. 1999 LS1 car.....all those years and LS1 is still about equal in straight line. Nuff' said....

And you're point? The Z never was meant to be a drag car...their sports cars. And i'm willing to bet a stock 370Z would pull a pre 2000 LS1...

Ricers will lie about mods and times to make themselves look good, thats a known fact. And there is no reason to believe those cars were stock, I'm sure they at least had DR's.

Ever hang out on a vette site? They lie about mods all the time. "Stock" on a vette forum means CAI and drag radials.

Most stock LS1's with a decent driver (fbody not GTO) will do 108-109..

I'd say that 108-109 is more in line with a great driver in great weather. A decent driver on an average day will see less trap speed than that more times than not. I realize that the best ever LS1 numbers are better than the best ever 2007+ 350Z numbers, but they are close enough to make it a good race.

So your logic is the 370Z is slower than the SS but more of a sports car!?? :huh:

Well apparently you don't know what a sports car is. A Miata is more of a sports car than the Camaro SS.

2010 370z car v. 1999 LS1 car.....all those years and LS1 is still about equal in straight line. Nuff' said....

It's funny you make that comparison considering the 2010 Camaro is about equal to a 1999 LS1 in a straight line as well.

A 2010 camaro will wax a 1998 camaro...A LS1 camaro on an average day with an average drive is a 13.5 at 106 mph car....A 2010 camaro on a average day with an average driver is a 13.1 at 110 mph car ( equal to a 2003 Cobra comes to mind) It will wax the LS1 camaro....

In great weather at atco with ranger driving your talking 12.99 at 110 for the 98 camaro and 12.59 at 114 for the 2010 camro...

No comparison...If youve ever been to the strip and seen how fast a car that trapps 4 mph higher than you will pull away then you know what Im sayin...

As far as the sports car statement....A C6Z06 is much more of a sports car than a M3...But I bet you'll see more M3 drivers pushing the limits than C6Z06 drivers...The car is what ever the owner decides to make out of it...

With that said I was at a club last night and say my first SS camaro..It was orange and HOLY MOTHER OF GOD that thing was an attention getter..And the exhaust note was superb....If you really can get one of those with 400 HP for only 32K then Id be all over it....Seems like they really run high 12's as well...So good deal all around..

In great weather at atco with ranger driving your talking 12.99 at 110 for the 98 camaro and 12.59 at 114 for the 2010 camro...

Just out of curiosity, is that the actual record for a 2010 SS?

Just out of curiosity, is that the actual record for a 2010 SS?

Top 5 that I am aware of....

1. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
2. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
3. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.90 @ 107.90 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -822)
4. nhra stocker - 12.92 @ 109.02, (LS3, M6)
5. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)


These things are going to be running 10s bone stock @ 190mph if the trend continues. LMAO

You put your location as NJ/Japan. Well, wich is it? You sound like some tool that wishes he was in Japan, hence the weaboo comment. Or atleast I assume this because you're coming off as a serious troll. Correct me if I'm wrong...

I am definitely military and am stationed in Japan but my Z resides in NJ.

2010 370z car v. 1999 LS1 car.....all those years and LS1 is still about equal in straight line. Nuff' said....

Straightline is not what our cars are about. They are built for the track.

the better buy is the Camaro SS, why you ask, cause its was priced at 32k as tested in that article and the Nismo 370z was priced 40K as tested. Why would anyone buy the 370z, which has a higher base price than the Camaro SS? i think its just stupid. and like other people said here before, with that money you could get a lightly used C6 Vette. personally i think the 370z is simply not as good as the new camaro SS. 370z costs more and has less standard features than the SS. the SS gets Brembo 14" brakes standard, the 370z does not. and I just love the fact that the SS beat teh Nismo at its own game. so what it if has 100 more horses, that just makes the Nismo look pointless! why get the Nismo when you could get the car with 100more horse power for less?!?!?!

The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.

You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.

Straightline is not what our cars are about. They are built for the track.

is that why the nismo 350z has such bad brake fade the pedal goes right to the floor after a couple laps? cause it's a track car?

The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.

You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.

my father has always had a Porsche, currently he has an 1989 Porsche Turbo making 680rwhp with less than 20lbs of boost and stock bottom end. i can honestly say that Porsches are my favorite cars in the world. I have always been around one and one of my earliest memories was standing on the drivers seat of an 88 turbo and just barely being able to look over to the front. So I am well aware what a sports car is.

Unfortunatly I cannot afford to join my father in the Porsche scene but the other way i could is with the LS1s. And in my opinion Corvettes are a shitload better than any Z, A SHITLOAD!!! wtf are you talking about the VQ being more reliable than a LSx type motor??!?! that makes no sense to me. the LSx motor is a Le Mans winning motor, what has Nissan done in Le Mans? have they ever wone in any catigory in Le Mans? NO! the only japanese car make that has is Mazda and that was with the 787B that used a Porsche 962 chassis and 962 PDK transmission.

Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.

you cannot deny the LSx anything its better hands down its better built better design just plain better!! the C6-R won in its category in Le mans running against Porsches and Ferraris. it did this with a less than 6.0L (5.4L i believe) motor with TB restricted to 23mm and still developed 590hp. Porsche has won 16 Lemans, Chevrolet a few in recent years thanks to the C5-R block which is essentially the same as an LSx, Nissan has none. Ever. none. so whose the better sports car again?

The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.

You all are getting into this whole drag game and forgetting what pure driving is all about. Hang out with the faster Porsche guys to learn what it is.

Less reliable Vette? Wow

my father has always had a Porsche, currently he has an 1989 Porsche Turbo making 680rwhp with less than 20lbs of boost and stock bottom end. i can honestly say that Porsches are my favorite cars in the world. I have always been around one and one of my earliest memories was standing on the drivers seat of an 88 turbo and just barely being able to look over to the front. So I am well aware what a sports car is.

Unfortunatly I cannot afford to join my father in the Porsche scene but the other way i could is with the LS1s. And in my opinion Corvettes are a shitload better than any Z, A SHITLOAD!!! wtf are you talking about the VQ being more reliable than a LSx type motor??!?! that makes no sense to me. the LSx motor is a Le Mans winning motor, what has Nissan done in Le Mans? have they ever wone in any catigory in Le Mans? NO! the only japanese car make that has is Mazda and that was with the 787B that used a Porsche 962 chassis and 962 PDK transmission.

Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.

you cannot deny the LSx anything its better hands down its better built better design just plain better!! the C6-R won in its category in Le mans running against Porsches and Ferraris. it did this with a less than 6.0L (5.4L i believe) motor with TB restricted to 23mm and still developed 590hp. Porsche has won 16 Lemans, Chevrolet a few in recent years thanks to the C5-R block which is essentially the same as an LSx, Nissan has none. Ever. none. so whose the better sports car again?

This is stupid to argue. I never said the SS was not a sportscar. It's more of a Grand Touring car if anything. The car weighs too much and you all are getting so ridiculous with this hp argument. Who cares how much hp a car makes. Driving it, feeling it, is what it's all about. How do you drive a 3900 lb car through the backroads taking it through its paces and have a good time? That's what driving a sportscar is like. Not this bs hp vs hp, et vs et, or my car handles alot better than yours. And with all those weight balancers it better handle great.

Wait a second if you want to start bringing up LeMans shit, I cannot backup Nissan in any way shape or form. Since Porsche is also my #1 company they have won more LeMans victories than any other manufacturers. Then there is Audi they are next. Far more than the Vette has ever. Porsche owns the GT2 class and Audi owns the prototype. Since 05 the Vette has just started to win. What about the other 50 years? Back since Porsche was winning with the 917.

How did the LeMans even come up? Look at GT500 how many Nissan victories there have been. Also the 24 hour Nurburgring a few years ago was won by a 350z. So I'd say Nissan has a well spread motorsports team. Unlike Chevrolet who ownly focus on ALMS, LeMans, and Nascar. What about what's in between?

Straightline is not what our cars are about. They are built for the track.

http://c.universalscraps.com/files/en/lol/LOL.jpg

Im sorry that does it for me...please get the fuck out...thanks!:gay:

Taken from a recent thread on another forum.

I've owned two C5's. 98 Coupe, and a 99 FRC. Both of which I loved, I'm a Vette guy at heart, but I'm also an overall sports car enthusiast. I sold both my C5s because I was offered the right dollar and couldn't refuse. After tinkering around and getting into college, I bought the 350z. The Z is a much easier, more realistic daily driver. It handles as good if not better then the c5, but of course lacks the torque where the Vette has it, but overall, the ride, the quality, fit and finish of the Z is better in my opinion. The C5, being a Chevy drove me nuts as far as the overall quality. The damn interior rattles, and odd sounds coming from around the car, that's a Vette for you, the C6 is a step above, but the C5 was just a stress. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE C5's they are sexy, and an icon of their own, and fast, but the Z is just a fun car. It's light and nimble and fun to throw around bends.

C5s are great cars, but the Z is also a great car. Who cares, drive what you like! :thumbup:

Oh, and who gives a **** if your 17. My bro is 16 and has a Vette. The C5 and 350z market is so cheap now, it's easy for a kid with a good job to pick one up. Who cares what people say, go with what you want.

uhh.. speak up. don't just post then leave.

its like others said before, you could pick up a lightly used C6 for less than a new 370z, and i dont think anyone could argue with the C6 being better than a 370z. Also the VQ motor in my opinion is crap. And that Opinion can actually be argued unlike many of your opinions, and i dont think you can win that arguement. It probably wouldent even fly in the my350z forums. The VQ will never have the reputation that the LS1 and all the variants have. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into 240sx than VQ swap, I wonder why. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into anything these days than any other motor, and if there is a motor thats swapped more often than an LS1, its definately a chevy motor of some kind. There is a reason for this. the guy with an RX-7 will either keep the rotary or use an LS1, but NEVER a VQ of any kind

Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.

its sad really cause you think that all chevy is good for is drag racing, but the only reason you see more chevys being drag raced is cause its the cheapest form of racing and easiest to have as a hobby. my uncle with a STI used to go touring with it at local tracks but he barely does it anymore because its much more strenuous on the car than drag racing. he goes to the strip all the time though.

but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.

BTW, Brembo brakes are not Nissan brakes. the Camaro SS does not have Nissan brakes. GTFO with that shit. 14" Nissan brakes can suck it. 14" brembo brakes are the real deal.

BTW, Brembo brakes are not Nissan brakes. the Camaro SS does not have Nissan brakes. GTFO with that shit. 14" Nissan brakes can suck it. 14" brembo brakes are the real deal.

Please show me my opinions the last I checked I'm throwing in a substantial amount of facts. Maybe the fact that I'd choose a 370Z over a SS or C6 and my reasoning. But I respect your comments. But I never once tried to argue that the Camaro SS is slower. I never said the LS1 is less superior than the VQ. Honestly the VQ is not what the VG30DETT (300zx) was. The VQ could be 100 times better. Nissan made a 400 hp VQ for Japan only and used it as a homologation model (500 units) using mostly off the shelf Nismo parts. That's how I know the VQ could be 100 times better.

Mercedes, BMW's, etc are DTM cars not sports cars. A Porsche 911 is a sports car and always will be. The Camaro SS is more suited to be with the Grand Touring bunch.

A sports car by definition is and I quote "an open, low-built, fast motor car. The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking — trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity — for driving enjoyment" Now a grand touring car is a "high-performance luxury automobile designed for long-distance driving. The most common format is a two-door coupé with either a two-seat or a 2+2 arrangement". Tell me I am wrong now. Similar but different. That's why I say it is not a sports car but more suited to be a Grand Tourer.

Now if you want to consider swaps. I'd say the RB series is still holding the record, or even the 2jz just because they have been around for years. The LS has only been out for 10 years. The RB, 20 something years and you think the LS is swapped into any car more? I think not.

I also am referencing the C5 corvette not the C6. I do agree that the C6 is a buyer's choice over the 370Z. Me I choose the 370Z since I have owned a 350. I love LS powered cars. Hence why I am here, to learn more about the LS powered cars and what they can do.

But for you to say that the Nissan's brakes are crap you're absoloutely wrong. Check this out. Motortrend's 370Z test showing that the 370Z braked from 60-0 in 106 ft vs the Nismo's brembo equipped 103 ft. Is that really much of a difference? Now on a random google search for the 2010 Camaro I found their 60-0 in 109-111 ft on average. I know this is all what's on paper and whatever but the facts show. Nissan stopped using the brembos because they were not as good as they should be for the price they were paying.

Look we can go on and on about this all day long but look in summary.
C6 is faster than the 370Z, costs less, and is a great option.
Camaro SS is faster than the Z and is more expensive than a nicely equipped Z.
370Z is a great car but you have to consider your options before you put the cash down. I did when I bought my 350Z and couldn't be happier, so I'm sure when you all mature out of your F bodies you will all go and buy the SS or C6 vette.

The arguement has now gone to fit and finish and LS1s being unreliable?? :gtfo:

its like others said before, you could pick up a lightly used C6 for less than a new 370z, and i dont think anyone could argue with the C6 being better than a 370z. Also the VQ motor in my opinion is crap. And that Opinion can actually be argued unlike many of your opinions, and i dont think you can win that arguement. It probably wouldent even fly in the my350z forums. The VQ will never have the reputation that the LS1 and all the variants have. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into 240sx than VQ swap, I wonder why. I bet there are more LS1 swaps into anything these days than any other motor, and if there is a motor thats swapped more often than an LS1, its definately a chevy motor of some kind. There is a reason for this. the guy with an RX-7 will either keep the rotary or use an LS1, but NEVER a VQ of any kind

Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.

Kid if you try to classify again the Camaro as a sports car baby Jesus will kill himself...its a pony car or a muscle car, take your pick but STOP saying its a sports car...damn it. In fact trying to compare it with one even if it is faster is retarded. These are two different kind of cars, two different leagues.

Actually Muscle cars dont exist anymore and the Camaro has always been classified as a pony, never a Sports car or Muscle car. This one though being kind of big and heavy it might be a GT car.

its sad really cause you think that all chevy is good for is drag racing, but the only reason you see more chevys being drag raced is cause its the cheapest form of racing and easiest to have as a hobby. my uncle with a STI used to go touring with it at local tracks but he barely does it anymore because its much more strenuous on the car than drag racing. he goes to the strip all the time though.

but if one really wanted, it would not be hard to build a Fbody for use at the track, or you could just get a vette.

That's all typical with the STi's and EVO's. Their drivetrains can only handle so much before they pop. And if one really wanted to build a track car the 240sx is a great option. It's all apples and oranges man. Let's just agree to disagree.

Actually Muscle cars dont exist anymore and the Camaro has always been classified as a pony, never a Sports car or Muscle car. This one though being kind of big and heavy it might be a GT car.

:huh:What?? Every muscle car book, every piece of info about it mentions the Camaro...and the Challenger...whatever. I think the amount of misinformation in this thread is now at epic proportions.

Nice run..

:huh:What?? Every muscle car book, every piece of info about it mentions the Camaro...and the Challenger...whatever. I think the amount of misinformation in this thread is now at epic proportions.

The Camaro has always been a Pony car. Read up on it if you like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car

Wikipedia...are you fucking serious? Thanks I prefer gathering info from completely trustful resources. Go get books my friends...books written by authorities in the field. Keep you misinfo to yourself.

....But the LS1's are dayum impressive no matter what you drive *****except for the fat ass ugly GTO's...They are slow pieces of shit************
Yep, keep drinking the lemonade. :secret:

Yep, keep drinking the lemonade. :secret:

Yea I don't know what he's talking about. The LS2 GTO's pull very well from what I've seen. Sadly I don't know how they stack up against the f bodies though.

I wonder how many more years it will take for people to realize that most people are set in their ways, believe only what they want to believe, only actively search for confirmation bias, and cannot be convinced otherwise. Don't waste your breath.

The 370 definetly has an interesting tuned note to it thanks to the exhuast work I'm sure, and props to the Z28 for being able to steadily pull. This video is a classic example of how the LS1 is just one of those designs that came way before its time. Good race.

Can someone please ban Z33Option allready.



Again all bullshit aside....I havent owned a camaro or vette in atleaste 4 years....But the LS1's are dayum impressive no matter what you drive *****except for the fat ass ugly GTO's...They are slow pieces of shit************

I like the GTO's, You can pick up a nice used one for a good price, spend a little on mods and have a kickass car. Great bang for the buck IMO.

I'll take this please !!!
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=270413453&dealer_id=64744721&car_year=2004&rdm=1257709223564&lastStartYear=1981&model=GTO&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2004&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=8+Cylinder&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&only_price=1&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=PONT&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=91001&advanced=y&only_photo=1&end_year=2006&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=318&standard=false&rdpage=thumb



In the real world, one might be lucky to find a 370Z for 30K out the door.
If so it will be the stripped base model. From there on you will have to spend another 3K in mods to still lose to a decade old LS1.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=500&address=91001&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=NISSAN&model=370Z&make2=&start_year=2009&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=6+Cylinder&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_type=priceASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=priceASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1257709373337

There are plenty of other better cars for 30K +

There are tons & tons of these 350Z's, 370Z's, G35's and G37s' running around here in So Cal.
They are as common as flies on shit. They also sound like a bunch of weed wackers running around.

Might as well face it, the 370Z is an overpriced piece of dung, for what it is.







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I'm done moving on can we end this by saying to each his own?

Also how does the Camaro SS weight affect whether or not its a Sports Car? The new Mercedes SL600 weighs in at 4500lbs, i guess its not a sports car.....the 09 Porsche 911 turbo weighs 3500lbs, damn thats more than a F-body, i guess its not a sports car either...Ultimately you cannot argue "feel" or "enjoyment" as these are all opinion based, and you are here, on a LS1 forum trying to convince us "non-sports car" owners that a 350z or 370z is better because it "feels" better. that aint going to fly. you want to argue, ill argue facts, Camaro SS is faster than the 370z in every aspect, so is the C6. end of story. On paper the Camaro SS is a better car, thats it, anything else you cannot argue. oh and BTW the corvette team has dominated GT1 class this year, finishing 1st and 2nd in its class and 15th overall. the only porsche that finished before it was the RS spyder, which is in a different class all thogether. look at the list, the next porsche to finish was in 33rd place overall and 3rd in its class.
No matter how hard you try and argue, the Camaro is still not a sports car. That doesn't make it bad or good, it's just not a sports car. Neither is a Benz SL.
Kid if you try to classify again the Camaro as a sports car baby Jesus will kill himself...its a pony car or a muscle car, take your pick but STOP saying its a sports car...damn it. In fact trying to compare it with one even if it is faster is retarded. These are two different kind of cars, two different leagues.
This.
Can someone please ban Z33Option allready.




I like the GTO's, You can pick up a nice used one for a good price, spend a little on mods and have a kickass car. Great bang for the buck IMO.

I'll take this please !!!
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p&car_id=270413453&dealer_id=64744721&car_year=2004&rdm=1257709223564&lastStartYear=1981&model=GTO&num_records=25&systime=&make2=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&start_year=2004&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=8+Cylinder&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&only_price=1&awsp=false&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&showZipError=n&make=PONT&keywords_display=&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceASC&seller_type=b&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceASC&address=91001&advanced=y&only_photo=1&end_year=2006&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=318&standard=false&rdpage=thumb



In the real world, one might be lucky to find a 370Z for 30K out the door.
If so it will be the stripped base model. From there on you will have to spend another 3K in mods to still lose to a decade old LS1.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=500&address=91001&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=NISSAN&model=370Z&make2=&start_year=2009&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=6+Cylinder&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_type=priceASC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=n&default_sort=priceASC&awsp=false&systime=&rdm=1257709373337

There are plenty of other better cars for 30K +

There are tons & tons of these 350Z's, 370Z's, G35's and G37s' running around here in So Cal.
They are as common as flies on shit. They also sound like a bunch of weed wackers running around.

Might as well face it, the 370Z is an overpriced piece of dung, for what it is.







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First off, tell me a better sports car that you can buy new for $30k? Because if you throw used in there, that opens up a whole new barrel of shit. Compare apples to apples here, people.

The Nismo doesn't out brake the regular 370Z. The SS comes with what the Z does standard. 14" Nissan brakes. Also the Nismo is more of a pure sports car for the buyer who doesn't want to buy a less reliable Vette. (IMHO). I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.


The Z platform is definitely more suited for the track than the Camaro. Unfortunately brake fade must be addressed on the Z as well as some chatter about oil temps in the 370Z.

I would guess it is extremely rare for them to be cross-shopped.

First off, tell me a better sports car that you can buy new for $30k? Because if you throw used in there, that opens up a whole new barrel of shit. Compare apples to apples here, people.

If you actually looked at the cars in the various links that I posted throughout this thread, many of those cars are in very good condition with low miles on them.

Plus ... it will not be easy to find a 370Z for 30K out the door. Good luck on that. 97% of them are sold with options on them anyways.

And ... even if that's the only new sports car available for 30K, than no thanks. I would rather spend less or the same money for a good used car or more money for a better new car.

The person in the video posted here has a 370Z plus about 3K in mods. He still got beat by a 10 year old F-body. He spent at least 33K, which is doubtful, he most likely bought the car for over 30K and spent the extra 3K
in mods. He got owned by a nearly 10 year old F-body that cost much less than that bare minimum 33K ( more like 37K + ) spent on the 370Z in the video.

In my opinion that make someone a fool to go out and over spend on an inferior product. Just because it might be the best new 30K + sports cars doesn't make it a good value.

That video makes that 33K 370Z best new car for 30K ( If it's really that cheap ) a complete joke. That's the whole point of this thread !

One can deny it all they want but in the end the truth is the truth...
I looks like the apple turned out to be fresher than the rotton orange. :eyes:


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I had the opportunity to buy a Z or a Z06. I chose my Z not because of less power, but because I know I can rely on my Z to drive. Plus on the Test Drive the Z06 had some check engine light on at 22k miles.



It's clear that you know very little about LS cars. It sounds like you're saying the LS6 and LS1 engines are unreliable, or atleast less reliable than a POS DE motor. Yes, the VQ35DE is a POS. Underpowered to begin with, woefully weak internals, and constant oil problems. Or did you not know that? The VQ35DE burns oil like no other. Nissan has made some wonderful engines (the VH and VK come to mind), but the VQ35DE was not one of them. Only time will tell if the VQ37VHR is any better. From what I've seen on the forums, their internals are atleast a serious step up over the lame VQ35DE.

The fact that you actually chose a Z33 Z over a Z06 just shows how much of a fanboy you are. I don't understand how you could have done unbiased research on both cars and decided on the Z33. The C5Z gets better fuel economy, stops shorter, corners harder (pulls more lateral G's and slaloms quicker), has posted a quicker production lap time than any Z33 on every track where the two were tested, has no major (drivetrain) recalls, and was praised by many editorials even years later for it's dependability and cheap repair costs.
Hell, the C5Z even has more passenger volume in the cab. The C5Z is just a better car performance wise in every way I can currently think of. Oh yeah, JD Power ratings gave the 03 C5Z better ratings than the Z33 for overall quality and powertrain quality.

I can understand buying a Z33 if that is just what you prefer. To each there own and I couldn't care what you spend your money on.
BUT, you are fighting a losing battle if you are going to try and argue that the Z33 is somehow better than a C5Z for performance or reliability reasons.

This link better?? Every page I pull up on it calls it that..

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090319/CARNEWS/903199981

whoa......you telling me this guy picked a 370z over a c5z06

Holy shit batman..I think all credibililty has been lost...

Look Z33 guy..You fuked up bro....A C5Z06 is a "DREAM" car...It is a legitimate 55K car...It is a legitimate 116 mph trapping car....It is a legitimate 170 mph car...The car has touched 11's in stock configuration more than once but is a legitimate 12.4 car...

In short a C5Z06 is the shit..Even 911TT owners or GTR or Viper owners ect. will take notice to a C5Z05 sitting out in front of the restuarante before they go sit down and order their food...Because they know that even in stock form this will not be a TOO-EASY Victory if a street race is produced when they leave the restuarante...And if that C5Z06 just has even a few bolt ons and they are stock then it might not be a victory at all....

this is the kind of respect you get when you step into the stock low 12 crowd...A 370Z aint even half their as you are in the low 13 crowd and those same 911TT or Viper or GTR or even the C5Z06 owners will walk right pass your 370Z without even a thought..Other than maybe.." the new model looks nice" but theirs no street respect their..

Why in the world would you pass up a low 12 semi exotic Z06 that just a few years ago was 55K???? For a 13 second run of the mill JapZ??????


Im sorry man and I apologize for coming on to harsh...But a 2002 C5Z06 is STILL faster than 90% of the new sports cars made in 2010 straightline....Is still faster than 90% of the 2010 sportscars around a track..And I mean all cars..From exotic Audi R8 all the way down to the 370Z's...

Anyways man..I have a supercharged nos nsx right now...Thats the only jap car I have ever given a shit about..And even the nsx is a pieace of shit compared to the american cars...Ive had my nsx for 2 years and have spent 6 K in things going wrong..It is a week lil finiky POS....

Should of got a Z06

Let me apologize to those who were offended by my calling a camaro a sports car. yes it is definately a Muscle car or pony car anyday before it would be called a sports car fine have it your way.

but this guy went so far to say that a miata is more of a sports car than a camaro and that just bugged me....he also went so far to say that a 350z is more of a sports car than a vette, and thats just unacceptable.

but lets deviate from the previously mentioned phrases since i believe it is just an agument over diction

Z33, if you love 350z thats fine. I would rather have a 76-89 style porsche turbo than a C5 Z06 myself, but that is mere preference and its been programmed into my skull since a very young age. Now the C6 Z06 is a different story. Infact i always wanted to buy a new Porsche Turbo but with the existance of the ZR1 i find it hard to spend more money on a turbo when i could get a ZR1, but thats a different story.

but when you come in here and try to tell us that A VQ is better than a LS1, which it is fact it is not. I mean i know there is a guy who swapped a LS2 into a Z but you wont see vice versa.

Also the base Camaro SS, which comes with brembos standard, is less expensive than a base 370z, according to MSRP, but as of now there is about 5k to 6k markup on the camaro ss, just like the 2005 mustang did when it just came out. my neighbor payed more than 50k for the new mustang GT back in 05 just cause he wanted the 1st one. in about a year the markup should end and the Camaro SS will truely be less expensive than the 370z. so basically the 2010 camaro SS is a better car for less money and the 370z. you can compare tham at KBB.com and see for yourself.

finally, you seem to forget that this all started because 1998 camaro Z28 beat a 2009 370z. yes he has more than 3k in mods, i only have about $700 since i get all of my things used or free from my dad when hes done using them( he gave me LS6 heads and cam and springs, cams and springs were sold here, since he went with AFR and better springs and cam)

the 370z guy i know in person, hes actually my neighboor, and hes telling me right now that he bought his car for 35K out the door, and he as a BASE model. so give credit where credit is due, because a more than 10year old LS1, the 98 LS1 btw with perimiter bolt heads, the WORST version of the LS1, Beat a brand new 370z with similar mods. and this is real world racing btw, this is how most cars encounter each other in the world, not in a track, but on some highway somewhere. thats why people care about 0-60 times and 1/4 times.

Ok, so what if one of those stock 12.8-12.9s LS1 F-bodies beat an '04 Vette at the track? Would that make the Vette any less of a great car? Just because a car gets beaten in a race doesn't necessarily make it worse than the car that beat it.

It's clear that you know very little about LS cars. It sounds like you're saying the LS6 and LS1 engines are unreliable, or atleast less reliable than a POS DE motor. Yes, the VQ35DE is a POS. Underpowered to begin with, woefully weak internals, and constant oil problems. Or did you not know that? The VQ35DE burns oil like no other. Nissan has made some wonderful engines (the VH and VK come to mind), but the VQ35DE was not one of them. Only time will tell if the VQ37VHR is any better. From what I've seen on the forums, their internals are atleast a serious step up over the lame VQ35DE.

The fact that you actually chose a Z33 Z over a Z06 just shows how much of a fanboy you are. I don't understand how you could have done unbiased research on both cars and decided on the Z33. The C5Z gets better fuel economy, stops shorter, corners harder (pulls more lateral G's and slaloms quicker), has posted a quicker production lap time than any Z33 on every track where the two were tested, has no major (drivetrain) recalls, and was praised by many editorials even years later for it's dependability and cheap repair costs.
Hell, the C5Z even has more passenger volume in the cab. The C5Z is just a better car performance wise in every way I can currently think of. Oh yeah, JD Power ratings gave the 03 C5Z better ratings than the Z33 for overall quality and powertrain quality.

I can understand buying a Z33 if that is just what you prefer. To each there own and I couldn't care what you spend your money on.
BUT, you are fighting a losing battle if you are going to try and argue that the Z33 is somehow better than a C5Z for performance or reliability reasons.

I never said that the Z06 is less superior than the 350z. I know it's faster, I know it looks damn good, I know all of this. But to me when I test drove a 1 owner 02 Z06, it had interior rattles and the leather was wearing and it only had 40k miles on it. To me that was my breaking point. I tried to cope and just couldn't. Maybe there was 10 other Z06's out there I could've tried. I just wasn't having it. Now yes Z's have there issues too. My interior doesn't rattle, but Nissan did however go to cheap materials which induces scratches and some items eventually wear out. Yes it's true but to me my Z makes me happy. And for that it's a little cheap fix. Power to me is not everything. How often will I use that 400 hp? Not too often. My Z gets up to 160, I've only been there a couple times out of the billion I've driven it.

Now the VQ does consume oil. In fact in 2006 they released a TSB for oil consumption. My same year. My car has not consumed any oil. Luck of the draw I guess.

So weak internals. The weak part of our cars is the rods. Every engine in the VQ is different. For the DE 400 is the limit. For the revup 450. Hr 500+ and the vhr 600+ and they are still in testing. All tests were done individually and mostly were completed by GTM. I think that for a street car 400 whp is plenty. Touching low to mid 11's and 120 traps. That's pretty damn nice for a street car. In reality that's just a 150 shot and bolt ons on a Z.

Please stop interpreting as me saying that the C5 Z06 is less superior than the 350Z. My opinion based on my firsthand experience is that my 350Z is to me is a better car for myself. I love the history of the Z and I am not just some Z loving fanboy. If I was a fan boy then why would I be here trying to learn more about the LS engines? I wouldn't be I'd be in a nuttshell with posters of Paul Walker, riced out 350z's, etc.

Now here is my unbiased research for you. I own an 06 350Z. My dad many years ago had a 260Z and loved that car. I also loved it too and said that one day I would own that and another Z. So when I was car searching yes I was slightly biased but still kept my mind open to other ideas. I like cars with history in motorsports along with the manufacturers. I like to know what my car has done in history to let me know what it's all about. Hence why I love Porsche. I know the Corvette's history but in my own personal experience Nissan has been in the family for years so I'd like to keep tradition. I like tradition. Fanboys go from one car to the next. That's why I cannot wait until the FT-86 is released then they jump on that.

And who cares how many more lateral g's it can pull, who cares what 12 second time it can get. It all boils down to what you want and what you can afford. Me personally am more than happy with my choice of 350Z. And will continue to be with the 370Z I buy next or G37. Whichever.

So true irunelevens. Is it any better? Lastly I was offered a 370Z at a dealership I frequent in NJ for my maintenance and they offered me a 370Z (no trade in) for 29k with some options. They are out there you have to either know people or dig.

Ok, so what if one of those stock 12.8-12.9s LS1 F-bodies beat an '04 Vette at the track? Would that make the Vette any less of a great car? Just because a car gets beaten in a race doesn't necessarily make it worse than the car that beat it.

whether or not a car is "great" i believe is ultimately opinion based. so if a stock F-body where to beat a 04 vette at a 1/4(i hope you meant at 1/4 mile, cause in circuit this should not happen) it would not make the Vette any less of a great car. But if that were the case, then in that instance the F-body was faster, and that would be fact.

I personally think the new Camaro SS looks alot better than the new Mustang, but many people i know disagree, but it doesent matter since that is opinion based. but you can argue that the camaro is faster on the 1/4 and around the track, because that is a measureable amount therefore making it fact.

so if I were to say that the new camaro "performs" better than the 370z, this is a measurable and tangible concept, and in reality the new camaro does perform better than the 370z. The camaro SS, also has a lower base price than the base 370z, MSRP is 1k less for the camaro. so you asked earlier for a cheaper car than the 370z, NEW, that performs better, i give you the camaro SS. now which car is "greater" or "best" overall is up to you. but like i said before, on paper the camaro is better.

I never said that the Z06 is less superior than the 350z. I know it's faster, I know it looks damn good, I know all of this. But to me when I test drove a 1 owner 02 Z06, it had interior rattles and the leather was wearing and it only had 40k miles on it. To me that was my breaking point. I tried to cope and just couldn't. Maybe there was 10 other Z06's out there I could've tried. I just wasn't having it. Now yes Z's have there issues too. My interior doesn't rattle, but Nissan did however go to cheap materials which induces scratches and some items eventually wear out. Yes it's true but to me my Z makes me happy. And for that it's a little cheap fix. Power to me is not everything. How often will I use that 400 hp? Not too often. My Z gets up to 160, I've only been there a couple times out of the billion I've driven it.
It sounds to me you already made up your mind before you even stepped in the car (that is if you are even telling the truth in the first place, I don't see how you can step out of a Z06 and into a 350Z and be truly happy). And what if this "check engine light" you claim it had was from mods that threw a code that wasn't deleted? How would that be reliability related? You don't know, and honestly don't care to know because you are a fanboy plain and simple. And the rattle thing actually had me laughing, I dare you to find me a 350Z that doesn't have a rattle, the few I've been in rattled like a 1980s beater Camaro.

VerdeZ28, to me you sound like a fanboy of the Corvette (GM) and it's showing a tad too much. You're saying overall how much better of a car the Camaro SS is than anything out there. Let's stick to the facts here. The Camaro SS is a great option for $30k. Now just because it can put down 400+ hp and do the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds does not make it that perfect car anyone can own. Honestly to me, in fact there was one G37 driven with drag radials only that went 12.9, that car is in the pricerange of the SS and offers has much more luxury to it. Not everything revolves around power and numbers.

And when comparing a car that is already out and introduced. Forget paper, let's stick to the real facts. Add in that reality factor that you are missing. Check this out, in NJ near my house there is a chevy dealer and also quite a few Nissan dealers. Since you want to compare prices and all this let's have a look.

Here is a 370Z touring 09 model for $35,000. Real world pricing.

http://www.nissanofturnersville.com/detail-2009-nissan-370z-2dr_cpe_man_touring-4793497.html

From the same owners across the street here is the price for a 2SS Camaro. 35,000 also.

http://www.chevroletofturnersville.com/detail-2010-chevrolet-camaro-coupe_2ss-4832109.html

The point is you can talk paper, MSRP, numbers all day long but you cannot beat realworld. Realworld takes into account price markup. That's what you're forgetting. After the buzz of the Camaro boils over then we can really talk.

whoa......you telling me this guy picked a 370z over a c5z06

Holy shit batman..I think all credibililty has been lost...

Look Z33 guy..You fuked up bro....A C5Z06 is a "DREAM" car...It is a legitimate 55K car...It is a legitimate 116 mph trapping car....It is a legitimate 170 mph car...The car has touched 11's in stock configuration more than once but is a legitimate 12.4 car...

In short a C5Z06 is the shit..Even 911TT owners or GTR or Viper owners ect. will take notice to a C5Z05 sitting out in front of the restuarante before they go sit down and order their food...Because they know that even in stock form this will not be a TOO-EASY Victory if a street race is produced when they leave the restuarante...And if that C5Z06 just has even a few bolt ons and they are stock then it might not be a victory at all....

this is the kind of respect you get when you step into the stock low 12 crowd...A 370Z aint even half their as you are in the low 13 crowd and those same 911TT or Viper or GTR or even the C5Z06 owners will walk right pass your 370Z without even a thought..Other than maybe.." the new model looks nice" but theirs no street respect their..

Why in the world would you pass up a low 12 semi exotic Z06 that just a few years ago was 55K???? For a 13 second run of the mill JapZ??????


Im sorry man and I apologize for coming on to harsh...But a 2002 C5Z06 is STILL faster than 90% of the new sports cars made in 2010 straightline....Is still faster than 90% of the 2010 sportscars around a track..And I mean all cars..From exotic Audi R8 all the way down to the 370Z's...

Anyways man..I have a supercharged nos nsx right now...Thats the only jap car I have ever given a shit about..And even the nsx is a pieace of shit compared to the american cars...Ive had my nsx for 2 years and have spent 6 K in things going wrong..It is a week lil finiky POS....

Should of got a Z06

Yea let's not talk bolt on cars vs the Z06. I know the guys over at Protomotive have no problem with bolt on 996TT's making into the 700 rwhp range. So let's see what your bolt on Vette can do at a light against that.

And you say I should've bought the Z06 because it's faster. Look man I'm into driving. Like I said before how much of that power can you legally use on the street and how often? ooh and wait I even had a guy in z C6 Z06 complement my car while getting gas. Come on man.

Also if pushed came to shove, I could do bolt ons on my Z, tune, with a 150 shot and leave Z06's all day long. But it's so stupid to argue this bolt on that vs bolt on this. My stock Z keeps me content. Does your stock car make you happy or do you feel insecure about a Z06 next to you at a light?

i kinda like the new 370s, what are you talking about gears though? were running 3:23s and 2:73s stock.... those arent strip gears by any means, 4:10s are strip gears,

For traditional domestic gearbox ratios, yes. But the overall gearing must be looked at to make that assumption about all cars.


Yea let's not talk bolt on cars vs the Z06. I know the guys over at Protomotive have no problem with bolt on 996TT's making into the 700 rwhp range. So let's see what your bolt on Vette can do at a light against that.


Actually the proper comparison is bolt-on Z06 vs. a bolt-on n/a 911 or 911 GT3. Or even a ZR1 to a 996TT since the MSRPs are/were closer to each other and both are FI.

You can't compare bolt-ons from an FI car to a non-FI car.

[QUOTE=Deuuuce;12483445]For traditional domestic gearbox ratios, yes. But the overall gearing must be looked at to make that assumption about all cars.




Actually the proper comparison is bolt-on Z06 vs. a bolt-on n/a 911 or 911 GT3. Or even a ZR1 to a 996TT since the MSRPs are/were closer to each other and both are FI.

Why do you all talk in past tense or future reference? Why not what's going on today? Right now 996TT are going for 40k. Forget what the MSRP was on them years ago because it's a different ball game today. Today a Z06 goes for 25k in pristine condition. A 996TT or even the X50 goes in the 40s range.

So since we all want to go back into time. The 300ZX sold for 40k brand new and that car with bolt ons would be easily neck and neck with a Z06. Something wrong with that? 5.7 liters vs TT 3.0?

Hes saying you cant compare bolt ons in a N/A motor to bolt ons to a FI, its completely apples to oranges.

there are NO g37's that will break into the 12's with drag radials on a stock engine. and the 350z is slower straight line and in curves than a stock c5 so why even compare it to a z06?

there are NO g37's that will break into the 12's with drag radials on a stock engine. and the 350z is slower straight line and in curves than a stock c5 so why even compare it to a z06?

All this talk about performance, I chose to compare the Z because the Z is what I had my eyes on from the getgo.But anyway back to the G37. This thread is talked about it. Yes I do believe it because he has posted the timeslip on multiple forums.

http://myg37.com/forums/motorsports-track/200908-any-official-1-4-mile-quickest-list.html

VerdeZ28, to me you sound like a fanboy of the Corvette (GM) and it's showing a tad too much. You're saying overall how much better of a car the Camaro SS is than anything out there. Let's stick to the facts here. The Camaro SS is a great option for $30k. Now just because it can put down 400+ hp and do the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds does not make it that perfect car anyone can own. Honestly to me, in fact there was one G37 driven with drag radials only that went 12.9, that car is in the pricerange of the SS and offers has much more luxury to it. Not everything revolves around power and numbers.

And when comparing a car that is already out and introduced. Forget paper, let's stick to the real facts. Add in that reality factor that you are missing. Check this out, in NJ near my house there is a chevy dealer and also quite a few Nissan dealers. Since you want to compare prices and all this let's have a look.

Here is a 370Z touring 09 model for $35,000. Real world pricing.

http://www.nissanofturnersville.com/detail-2009-nissan-370z-2dr_cpe_man_touring-4793497.html

From the same owners across the street here is the price for a 2SS Camaro. 35,000 also.

http://www.chevroletofturnersville.com/detail-2010-chevrolet-camaro-coupe_2ss-4832109.html

The point is you can talk paper, MSRP, numbers all day long but you cannot beat realworld. Realworld takes into account price markup. That's what you're forgetting. After the buzz of the Camaro boils over then we can really talk.


I dont need to be a fanboy in order to see that C6 vettes and Camaro SS is alot better than a 370z. Id like to thank you for proving my point for me, since a Camaro 2SS is a fully optioned camaro, and its nice to see that a non-fully optioned 370z is as much as a fully optioned camaro 2ss. good job.

Yes, a Camaro 2SS is as good as the camaro gets, while the Nismo 370z is as good as a 370z gets, so its great to know that the 2SS is 35K and a Nismo is about 40k. Awesome. So whos the better buy? thats right the camaro was faster round laguna seca than the Nismo, and that wasent even a 2SS, it was just a SS. so once again thanks for proving my point.

Also, please tell me where you can find a 966TT for 40K??!?!?! seriously, ill go and pick that up right now! thats right you cant. If im a Fanboy, id be a Porsche Fanboy, and i bet your ass i know more about those cars than you do and have been around more of them. i doubt you can find a 993TT for around 40K, shit the original 930 turbo still go for about 40k, and those are 76-89. BTW get your porsche number straight. 996 is the older one, but uses the newer chassis, 2009 was the last year for the 997, and 2010 is 997 1/2, its not considered a 998 yet

I do admit i am biased toward GM cars as well, since my dad also has several Corvette, two of them being a fully restord 65, and a resto mod 66, where we installed a LS1 without modifying the chassis, but unlike you im just arguing facts here, and the SS camaro is a better performing car than the 370z for less money. and you CANNOT argue that. its just plain FACT, the camaro is more powerful, faster in the straight, AND FASTER AROUND THE TRACK. end of story. what do you have to say for yourself other than, "well I still think that the 370z is a better car" who cares. i dont care what you think. the camaro performs better and is cheaper and these are not abstract concepts, that have nothing to do with my personal preference, they are just cold hard fact.

If im a Fanboy of anything, I am a fanboy of performance. I like what works. And if this video should mean anything to any of you is that after more than 10years and 120,000 miles this LS1 still has what it takes to be competitive in todays world. and that works. if you want to compare the 2010 Camaro SS to anything, wait 10 years and see what the nissan Z is doing then, maybe then it would be a good match.

why you want to talk about the G37, isent that car even slower than the 370z? i remember a car and driver test where a Challenger SRT8 was faster around Virginia International Raceway than the G37S, and we all know here that the SRT8 is no where near as good as the SS

I never said that the Z06 is less superior than the 350z. I know it's faster, I know it looks damn good, I know all of this. But to me when I test drove a 1 owner 02 Z06, it had interior rattles and the leather was wearing and it only had 40k miles on it. To me that was my breaking point. I tried to cope and just couldn't. Maybe there was 10 other Z06's out there I could've tried. I just wasn't having it. Now yes Z's have there issues too. My interior doesn't rattle, but Nissan did however go to cheap materials which induces scratches and some items eventually wear out. Yes it's true but to me my Z makes me happy. And for that it's a little cheap fix. Power to me is not everything. How often will I use that 400 hp? Not too often. My Z gets up to 160, I've only been there a couple times out of the billion I've driven it.

Now the VQ does consume oil. In fact in 2006 they released a TSB for oil consumption. My same year. My car has not consumed any oil. Luck of the draw I guess.

So weak internals. The weak part of our cars is the rods. Every engine in the VQ is different. For the DE 400 is the limit. For the revup 450. Hr 500+ and the vhr 600+ and they are still in testing. All tests were done individually and mostly were completed by GTM. I think that for a street car 400 whp is plenty. Touching low to mid 11's and 120 traps. That's pretty damn nice for a street car. In reality that's just a 150 shot and bolt ons on a Z.

Please stop interpreting as me saying that the C5 Z06 is less superior than the 350Z. My opinion based on my firsthand experience is that my 350Z is to me is a better car for myself. I love the history of the Z and I am not just some Z loving fanboy. If I was a fan boy then why would I be here trying to learn more about the LS engines? I wouldn't be I'd be in a nuttshell with posters of Paul Walker, riced out 350z's, etc.

Now here is my unbiased research for you. I own an 06 350Z. My dad many years ago had a 260Z and loved that car. I also loved it too and said that one day I would own that and another Z. So when I was car searching yes I was slightly biased but still kept my mind open to other ideas. I like cars with history in motorsports along with the manufacturers. I like to know what my car has done in history to let me know what it's all about. Hence why I love Porsche. I know the Corvette's history but in my own personal experience Nissan has been in the family for years so I'd like to keep tradition. I like tradition. Fanboys go from one car to the next. That's why I cannot wait until the FT-86 is released then they jump on that.

And who cares how many more lateral g's it can pull, who cares what 12 second time it can get. It all boils down to what you want and what you can afford. Me personally am more than happy with my choice of 350Z. And will continue to be with the 370Z I buy next or G37. Whichever.

So true irunelevens. Is it any better? Lastly I was offered a 370Z at a dealership I frequent in NJ for my maintenance and they offered me a 370Z (no trade in) for 29k with some options. They are out there you have to either know people or dig.

I understand all of that. It sounded in your other post like you were saying that the LS6 was less reliable than a VQ35DE or that the 350z was a better performer than the C5Z. It also sounds from this post that you just drove one bad C5Z, but that doesn't seem like a good enough reason to completely give up on them IMO. C&D tested a C5Z earlier this year in a best bang for $25k challenge and found that the car had no rattles or loose interior parts for example.

I can also understand buying a 350z because of the Z heritage. The orginal Z had a beautiful design and was the epitome of a true sports car. Hell, my dream car is an IMSA S30 car, either a 240z or a 260z with an LSX powerplant. I thought the 350z was a bit of a let down though when it first debuted(JMO)...

http://www.kbb.com/kbb/CompareCars/Report.aspx?CompareCarsVehicleIds=246566-248335&CompareCarsSelectionHistory=%24

check that out.

VerdeZ28, to me you sound like a fanboy of the Corvette (GM) and it's showing a tad too much. You're saying overall how much better of a car the Camaro SS is than anything out there. Let's stick to the facts here. The Camaro SS is a great option for $30k. Now just because it can put down 400+ hp and do the 1/4 mile in 12 seconds does not make it that perfect car anyone can own. Honestly to me, in fact there was one G37 driven with drag radials only that went 12.9, that car is in the pricerange of the SS and offers has much more luxury to it. Not everything revolves around power and numbers.

And when comparing a car that is already out and introduced. Forget paper, let's stick to the real facts. Add in that reality factor that you are missing. Check this out, in NJ near my house there is a chevy dealer and also quite a few Nissan dealers. Since you want to compare prices and all this let's have a look.

Here is a 370Z touring 09 model for $35,000. Real world pricing.

http://www.nissanofturnersville.com/detail-2009-nissan-370z-2dr_cpe_man_touring-4793497.html

From the same owners across the street here is the price for a 2SS Camaro. 35,000 also.

http://www.chevroletofturnersville.com/detail-2010-chevrolet-camaro-coupe_2ss-4832109.html

The point is you can talk paper, MSRP, numbers all day long but you cannot beat realworld. Realworld takes into account price markup. That's what you're forgetting. After the buzz of the Camaro boils over then we can really talk.


GM Fanboi here. :naughty:

The Nissan's motor with 4 cams, 24 valves, plenum design is very high tech.

Where as the Chevy is still a single cam, pushrods, a much simpler design.

Simplicity is bliss, mod friendly, easy to work on, great bang for the buck.

I'll take the SS anyday.



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I dont need to be a fanboy in order to see that C6 vettes and Camaro SS is alot better than a 370z. Id like to thank you for proving my point for me, since a Camaro 2SS is a fully optioned camaro, and its nice to see that a non-fully optioned 370z is as much as a fully optioned camaro 2ss. good job.

Yes, a Camaro 2SS is as good as the camaro gets, while the Nismo 370z is as good as a 370z gets, so its great to know that the 2SS is 35K and a Nismo is about 40k. Awesome. So whos the better buy? thats right the camaro was faster round laguna seca than the Nismo, and that wasent even a 2SS, it was just a SS. so once again thanks for proving my point.

Also, please tell me where you can find a 966TT for 40K??!?!?! seriously, ill go and pick that up right now! thats right you cant. If im a Fanboy, id be a Porsche Fanboy, and i bet your ass i know more about those cars than you do and have been around more of them. i doubt you can find a 993TT for around 40K, shit the original 930 turbo still go for about 40k, and those are 76-89. BTW get your porsche number straight. 996 is the older one, but uses the newer chassis, 2009 was the last year for the 997, and 2010 is 997 1/2, its not considered a 998 yet

I do admit i am biased toward GM cars as well, since my dad also has several Corvette, two of them being a fully restord 65, and a resto mod 66, where we installed a LS1 without modifying the chassis, but unlike you im just arguing facts here, and the SS camaro is a better performing car than the 370z for less money. and you CANNOT argue that. its just plain FACT, the camaro is more powerful, faster in the straight, AND FASTER AROUND THE TRACK. end of story. what do you have to say for yourself other than, "well I still think that the 370z is a better car" who cares. i dont care what you think. the camaro performs better and is cheaper and these are not abstract concepts, that have nothing to do with my personal preference, they are just cold hard fact.

If im a Fanboy of anything, I am a fanboy of performance. I like what works. And if this video should mean anything to any of you is that after more than 10years and 120,000 miles this LS1 still has what it takes to be competitive in todays world. and that works. if you want to compare the 2010 Camaro SS to anything, wait 10 years and see what the nissan Z is doing then, maybe then it would be a good match.

Wow son you've got a lot to learn. Where do we start. A 370Z does not need the added Nismo bodykit, or Nismo brakes, or Nismo exhaust, because quite frankly the Nismo actually outperformed by the Touring 370Z. If you want to build a great Z you do not buy a Nismo. Because the Nismo's lack the lightness of the base/touring model, and come at a heftier price tag. The touring is known to out brake the Nismo. That's why I chose that and not the top of the line Nismo. For the 370Z to be great, add some R comps, oil cooler, bolt ons and your good to go.

Now I'm going to go ahead and ask you how old you are because you bicker like a child. Do you even have any Porsche background? Do you have any realisation of what a Porsche really is. First off check 6speedonline.com because you might want to get your facts straight son. I will post right now at random 3 996TT forsale. Exactly 3 if you want more I can do that for around the price of 40k. No one mentioned the 993 or 930 turbo. As the 930's without the G50 trans actually in great condition sell in the low 20's range. Now here is your 3.

1. 996TT x50 packaged. The X50 package was a performance package in short summary.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/191760-fs-2002-996tt-x50-low-miles-warranty.html

2. Another low mileaged TT.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/190924-01-996tt-silver-black-sport-seats-6sp-29k-miles-ohio.html

3. Low mileaged again.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/191195-2001-996-turbo-arctic-silver.html

Now here are your 3 turbos. Pick one and buy it fanboy. Now you show me some facts and not what Motortrend shows you or wikipedia.org.

GM Fanboi here. :naughty:

The Nissan's motor with 4 cams, 24 valves, plenum design is very high tech.

Where as the Chevy is still a single cam, pushrods, a much simpler design.

Simplicity is bliss, mod friendly, easy to work on, great bank for the buck.

I'll take the SS anyday.



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Very good point. Another thing about that is our cams are so damn expensive for the little gains we get.

I understand all of that. It sounded in your other post like you were saying that the LS6 was less reliable than a VQ35DE or that the 350z was a better performer than the C5Z. It also sounds from this post that you just drove one bad C5Z, but that doesn't seem like a good enough reason to completely give up on them IMO. C&D tested a C5Z earlier this year in a best bang for $25k challenge and found that the car had no rattles or loose interior parts for example.

I can also understand buying a 350z because of the Z heritage. The orginal Z had a beautiful design and was the epitome of a true sports car. Hell, my dream car is an IMSA S30 car, either a 240z or a 260z with an LSX powerplant. I thought the 350z was a bit of a let down though when it first debuted(JMO)...

Yea, I bought that mag too to read up on how well the C5, M3 and E55 did. All did very well. But I don't know what it is man I'm just happy with my slow Z I guess. :huh:. Might want to get some :corn: I think I just opened up another 10 pages.

But I agree the 350Z was a let down I think also. (somehow I still got sucked in). But the 370Z is soo much better. I test drove one and you can honestly feel 20 years of difference between the 2 cars. The 370's interior is crisp, the shifts are perfect, the fit and finish is amazing. I think Nissan should've not built the 350 and built the 370.

Just thought I'd point out how good of a troll z33option is. Props bro, gotta give you some respect to type out 5 pages of garbage and argue with everyone on here.

Troll on nerd.

Oh and a bit of something special to share with you all really quickly. The US got the shit end of the stick when it came to the Nismo. The only difference was the bodykit, wheels, interior, and a few other minor things. But in Japan the Nismo not only recieved all that but also a completely different engine. Check this out.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/08/05/archive-gt-gt-nismo-380rs.aspx

Now I'm sure most of you will look at this and say ahh wtf blah blah blah. But if you want a great comparison to the C5 for brand new. This is it. 3.8l NA, 350hp from the factory, base price of 55k, and exhaust and tune would put you into the 400hp range. Matches the power and the handling of this thing is far better than the standard US Nismo Z. Not saying it's better than the Z06 but a damn good competitor. This is what the 350Z Nismo was based on and the US got the shitty part. Just some food for thought.

Just thought I'd point out how good of a troll z33option is. Props bro, gotta give you some respect to type out 5 pages of garbage and argue with everyone on here.

Troll on nerd.

hm ok.

All this talk about performance, I chose to compare the Z because the Z is what I had my eyes on from the getgo.But anyway back to the G37. This thread is talked about it. Yes I do believe it because he has posted the timeslip on multiple forums.

http://myg37.com/forums/motorsports-track/200908-any-official-1-4-mile-quickest-list.html

He may be posting timeslips but it is in no way a stock motor, a g37 is slower than a bmw 335i and lost to it in every category, and this was the car the g37 was designed to compete against. The only thing the g37 had on the bmw was a cheaper price. I drive a bmw and know it won't turn a 12.9 even on drag tires without modifications and my bmw is faster than a g37.

Most definitely stock motor. Even has pics of his engine bay floating around. I would post up sites but I'm too tired to search. It's 8am here and I have yet to go to sleep. Now all it takes is a perfect DA, perfect track prep, etc. I don't see how it's far fetched. Definitely out of the ordinary yes but impossible. Not at all. Same goes for the 370's. I bet there will be a few to crack 12's bone stock. Just need some factory freaks. Kind of like how some F bod SS's hit 12's out the box. Far in between but impossible no. Right driver, right track and the right day is all it takes.

hahaha can we make this 10 pages please.



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so you asked earlier for a cheaper car than the 370z, NEW, that performs better, i give you the camaro SS. now which car is "greater" or "best" overall is up to you. but like i said before, on paper the camaro is better.
No I didn't. Let me show you what I did say.

First off, tell me a better sports car that you can buy new for $30k?

Just because a car performs better on paper than another, does not mean it is necessarily what the buyer is looking for. A TBSS is faster than a Miata, but if you want a light and nimble car you won't care. Somebody looking for a SPORTS CAR (ie; NOT a Camaro) is going to value feeling just as much as they value numbers. So while a Camaro SS is slightly faster in a straightline and around Laguna Seca than a 370Z, it also behaves like a 3,900lb "sports coupe." So somebody that wants a responsive car would most likely prefer something that weighs ~550lbs less, even if it is slightly slower on paper.

No I didn't. Let me show you what I did say.


Just because a car performs better on paper than another, does not mean it is necessarily what the buyer is looking for. A TBSS is faster than a Miata, but if you want a light and nimble car you won't care. Somebody looking for a SPORTS CAR (ie; NOT a Camaro) is going to value feeling just as much as they value numbers. So while a Camaro SS is slightly faster in a straightline and around Laguna Seca than a 370Z, it also behaves like a 3,900lb "sports coupe." So somebody that wants a responsive car would most likely prefer something that weighs ~550lbs less, even if it is slightly slower on paper.


you're really splitting hairs there---- they're both performance based 2 door cars. sports car, pony car, muscle car--- who cares? price and performance matter. if one performs better on strip and road course, are you not going to buy it because on paper it's not technically a sports car? sounds quite silly.

It's clear that you know very little about LS cars. It sounds like you're saying the LS6 and LS1 engines are unreliable, or atleast less reliable than a POS DE motor. Yes, the VQ35DE is a POS. Underpowered to begin with, woefully weak internals, and constant oil problems. Or did you not know that? The VQ35DE burns oil like no other. Nissan has made some wonderful engines (the VH and VK come to mind), but the VQ35DE was not one of them. Only time will tell if the VQ37VHR is any better. From what I've seen on the forums, their internals are atleast a serious step up over the lame VQ35DE.

The fact that you actually chose a Z33 Z over a Z06 just shows how much of a fanboy you are. I don't understand how you could have done unbiased research on both cars and decided on the Z33. The C5Z gets better fuel economy, stops shorter, corners harder (pulls more lateral G's and slaloms quicker), has posted a quicker production lap time than any Z33 on every track where the two were tested, has no major (drivetrain) recalls, and was praised by many editorials even years later for it's dependability and cheap repair costs.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. The VQ is a pile of trash, they are naturally unbalanced engines (tons of vibrations) and burn oil like crazy. And they often need rings before even 100K miles, just like the Nissan 2.5's.

But for you to say that the Nissan's brakes are crap you're absoloutely wrong. Check this out. Motortrend's 370Z test showing that the 370Z braked from 60-0 in 106 ft vs the Nismo's brembo equipped 103 ft. Is that really much of a difference? Now on a random google search for the 2010 Camaro I found their 60-0 in 109-111 ft on average. I know this is all what's on paper and whatever but the facts show. Nissan stopped using the brembos because they were not as good as they should be for the price they were paying.

Maybe you should have read Car and Driver. They did a braking test of high performance cars, and all the Nissans in the test experiences severe brake fade after only a couple stops. This included the 350Z Nismo and an FX SUV. The fade was so bad that the brake pedals were going right to the floor after only a couple stops - Nissan brakes suck. C&D even called Nissan to ask what was going on, of course they had no answer because they are idiots.

And then you say Brembo brakes as good as they should be?? Is that why they are used on damn near every high performance car on the market?? You're saying they've made a world renouned name for themselves by selling subpar products?? The ZR1 stops in 96ft from 60MPH using 6 piston front and 4 piston rear Brembos. Nissan brakes can barely stop the car from 60 without the pedal fading to the floor, get real troll.

Most definitely stock motor. Even has pics of his engine bay floating around. I would post up sites but I'm too tired to search. It's 8am here and I have yet to go to sleep. Now all it takes is a perfect DA, perfect track prep, etc. I don't see how it's far fetched. Definitely out of the ordinary yes but impossible. Not at all. Same goes for the 370's. I bet there will be a few to crack 12's bone stock. Just need some factory freaks. Kind of like how some F bod SS's hit 12's out the box. Far in between but impossible no. Right driver, right track and the right day is all it takes.

A g37 is not as fast as a 370. It will not run a 12.9 stock engine period. The engine has had modifications done that you can't see from a simple picture, ie cams, tune, gears etc. I have raced g37's with a bmw 335i 6 speed and never lost. That car was not stock. And it will definitely not run with a f-body ls1 so don't even compare it to an f-body that will run 12's stock, you just make yourself look stupid.

fastest g37 on dragtimes stock is 13.5. That is the fastest. Average is 14.1. With a turbo it can go 12.5. So the guy doing 12.9 stock probably has a turbo just like the other ones in the 12's.

you're really splitting hairs there---- they're both performance based 2 door cars. sports car, pony car, muscle car--- who cares? price and performance matter. if one performs better on strip and road course, are you not going to buy it because on paper it's not technically a sports car? sounds quite silly.

I'm not splitting hairs at all. If you spend 95% of your time in your car either just cruising around or maybe doing some "spirited" driving on some good roads, you're gonna care more about the way a car feels than the fact that it's .2s slower in the 1/4 mile than a car that weighs 550lbs more. I'm not saying everybody feels this way, but there is a large number of people that do. Those are the people that buy sports cars.

I'm not splitting hairs at all. If you spend 95% of your time in your car either just cruising around or maybe doing some "spirited" driving on some good roads, you're gonna care more about the way a car feels than the fact that it's .2s slower in the 1/4 mile than a car that weighs 550lbs more. I'm not saying everybody feels this way, but there is a large number of people that do. Those are the people that buy sports cars.

so even though the "pony car" beats the "sports car" around a road course, you'll take the sports car based simply on the fact that it's lighter...?

Based on the fact that it doesn't drive like a 3,900lb car? Yes. No offense meant (though I'm sure it will be taken that way), but if all you've ever driven are F-bodies and Mustangs you wouldn't understand. If you enjoy driving, the feel of a car is just as important as the numbers. I would take a bone stock LS3 Corvette over a 10s Cobra as well, because I know I would enjoy driving the Corvette more.

ou should ask him if he could still read you license plate at the end of the race.

Say it in a very calm nice way to throw him off.LOL

Oh and a bit of something special to share with you all really quickly. The US got the shit end of the stick when it came to the Nismo. The only difference was the bodykit, wheels, interior, and a few other minor things. But in Japan the Nismo not only recieved all that but also a completely different engine. Check this out.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2008/08/05/archive-gt-gt-nismo-380rs.aspx

Now I'm sure most of you will look at this and say ahh wtf blah blah blah. But if you want a great comparison to the C5 for brand new. This is it. 3.8l NA, 350hp from the factory, base price of 55k, and exhaust and tune would put you into the 400hp range. Matches the power and the handling of this thing is far better than the standard US Nismo Z. Not saying it's better than the Z06 but a damn good competitor. This is what the 350Z Nismo was based on and the US got the shitty part. Just some food for thought.

Did you go into the KBB link. if you did you would have found that the 2SS is still cheaper than a tourning 370z, and about the same as a base model. And I assume that the Nismo should be better around the track since it gets better advan tires and stiffer springs. If this were not so, then shouldent they have tested the Touring model instead?

To the other guy arguing about "feel", well that is strictly opinion based, and we all heard your opinion about 10 times now and frankly we dont care, so unless you want to argue about something tangible and measurable that could be right or wrong then gtfo.

To Z33, you keep saying that you can simply do this and that and bam your 350z could keep up with a STOCK Z06, im sure that a 100shot of nitrous would have made the race this was originally about alot different. But since you seem to know what it takes to do these things, then could you show us some of your accomplishments? I mean after weilding this vast knowledge of 350z modding you must have something to show for it? or are you simply living vicariously through forums. or perhaps sitting at home playing Forza? I wonder if you can swap a LS7 into a 350z in that game.....anyways, since you seem to have also been around porsches a shitload, tell me then, ive recently came across a 1985 930 porsche turbo, its motor is in peices so i need to rebuild it, what should i do if Id like to make 600+rwhp with it? where would you start? do you even know if that would be a water cooled or air cooled motor? im sure you could find the answer in one of the many forums you spend all day trolling around in.

oh and btw, did you know that there are mods out there for the Z06 as well? and why are you compareing a new 370z Nismo that doesent even come to the US to a "NEW" C5 base price. Where could I find this "new" C5?

oh and you never said anything about my "wait 10 more years and compare the Z then to the SS now" I really thought that would rattle your cage but you havent said a peep. its probably because its true. you might have to wait 10 more years for a nissan Z to be as fast as a 2010 SS stock, its kinda what happed with my 98. oh and this 370z had mods as well and still lost to a similarly modded F-body, i wonder what a similarly modded C5 or C5 Z06 would do to it.

Goddammit the GTR weighs 3900 lbs, thats more than a Camaro SS by 100lbs:eek2:, damn it must not be a sports car either. fuck.

why even talk about that nismo for 55k, screw exhaust and tune, and take the 55k and buy a C6 or even C6 Z06 used. then get exhaust and tune for these.

I'm not splitting hairs at all. If you spend 95% of your time in your car either just cruising around or maybe doing some "spirited" driving on some good roads, you're gonna care more about the way a car feels than the fact that it's .2s slower in the 1/4 mile than a car that weighs 550lbs more. I'm not saying everybody feels this way, but there is a large number of people that do. Those are the people that buy sports cars.

damn, how do you spend 95% of your time in your car? I guess you only step out that other 5% to take a shit or piss....:gtfo:

why even talk about that nismo for 55k, screw exhaust and tune, and take the 55k and buy a C6 or even C6 Z06 used. then get exhaust and tune for these.

The Nismo 370Z is $55K??

LOL you'd be a moron to buy one. I can't imagine paying that kind of money for the same V6 you get in a family car.

The Nismo 370Z is $55K??

LOL you'd be a moron to buy one. I can't imagine paying that kind of money for the same V6 you get in a family car.

Glad to see somebody is still starting shit in this section.

I'm not splitting hairs at all. If you spend 95% of your time in your car either just cruising around or maybe doing some "spirited" driving on some good roads, you're gonna care more about the way a car feels than the fact that it's .2s slower in the 1/4 mile than a car that weighs 550lbs more. I'm not saying everybody feels this way, but there is a large number of people that do. Those are the people that buy sports cars.

They will never understand it man. These dudes are all about performance figures. Not what real driving is about.

so even though the "pony car" beats the "sports car" around a road course, you'll take the sports car based simply on the fact that it's lighter...?

Yes. Power isn't everything.

Did you go into the KBB link. if you did you would have found that the 2SS is still cheaper than a tourning 370z, and about the same as a base model. And I assume that the Nismo should be better around the track since it gets better advan tires and stiffer springs. If this were not so, then shouldent they have tested the Touring model instead?

To the other guy arguing about "feel", well that is strictly opinion based, and we all heard your opinion about 10 times now and frankly we dont care, so unless you want to argue about something tangible and measurable that could be right or wrong then gtfo.

To Z33, you keep saying that you can simply do this and that and bam your 350z could keep up with a STOCK Z06, im sure that a 100shot of nitrous would have made the race this was originally about alot different. But since you seem to know what it takes to do these things, then could you show us some of your accomplishments? I mean after weilding this vast knowledge of 350z modding you must have something to show for it? or are you simply living vicariously through forums. or perhaps sitting at home playing Forza? I wonder if you can swap a LS7 into a 350z in that game.....anyways, since you seem to have also been around porsches a shitload, tell me then, ive recently came across a 1985 930 porsche turbo, its motor is in peices so i need to rebuild it, what should i do if Id like to make 600+rwhp with it? where would you start? do you even know if that would be a water cooled or air cooled motor? im sure you could find the answer in one of the many forums you spend all day trolling around in.

oh and btw, did you know that there are mods out there for the Z06 as well? and why are you compareing a new 370z Nismo that doesent even come to the US to a "NEW" C5 base price. Where could I find this "new" C5?

oh and you never said anything about my "wait 10 more years and compare the Z then to the SS now" I really thought that would rattle your cage but you havent said a peep. its probably because its true. you might have to wait 10 more years for a nissan Z to be as fast as a 2010 SS stock, its kinda what happed with my 98. oh and this 370z had mods as well and still lost to a similarly modded F-body, i wonder what a similarly modded C5 or C5 Z06 would do to it.

Yes I did go to the kbb link. But it was pointless since I showed you realworld pricing.

This is my last post dedicated to you. Since you're so retarded. First off that Z was not a 370. Clearly it was a 350. It was made in 2007 and that's what the Nismo was supposed to be, in the US it could have and should have been.

I ran a 13.90 in my Z that's about all I have to show, since I've driven it a total of 35 days this year. Since you seem to lack knowledge of any Porsche you might want some Protomotive help to get to 600. Or contact RUF down in Texas. Might want to grab a G50 trans in the process and have them swap that over too. Wait what is a G50 trans? What year 911's did it come in? Find that answer for me without google numb nuts.

Why do we have to wait 10 years. We have it right now. Where are the f bods at autox? road racing? Our Z's have been there since 69 where are you? Don't even answer that question since I promise you I won't reply back.

why even talk about that nismo for 55k, screw exhaust and tune, and take the 55k and buy a C6 or even C6 Z06 used. then get exhaust and tune for these.

If it's not this then it's that. That's how you all sound. Why not buy this GM instead of buying that car.

The Nismo 370Z is $55K??

LOL you'd be a moron to buy one. I can't imagine paying that kind of money for the same V6 you get in a family car.

Negative. The Nismo is in the 40k range.

damn, how do you spend 95% of your time in your car? I guess you only step out that other 5% to take a shit or piss....:gtfo:

Learn how to read.

you're really splitting hairs there---- they're both performance based 2 door cars. sports car, pony car, muscle car--- who cares? price and performance matter. if one performs better on strip and road course, are you not going to buy it because on paper it's not technically a sports car? sounds quite silly.

No it doesn't. Why do you think people prefer the 911 GT3 and not the Turbo? The GT3 is slower around a track, and also slower at 1/4 mile, roll racing anything. And the Turbo is a bolt on loving whore. They do because of the feel and excitement you get everytime you drive the GT3. And the Turbo is more luxurious.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. The VQ is a pile of trash, they are naturally unbalanced engines (tons of vibrations) and burn oil like crazy. And they often need rings before even 100K miles, just like the Nissan 2.5's.


Where did you get this ring info from? Obviously wrong. My mom has an 04 Altima 2.5 and has had it since brand new. She's right around 180,000 miles and nothing but regular maintenance has gone into that thing. My wife has a 2000 Altima no problems with that thing. She's at 160,000. What vibrat

Maybe you should have read Car and Driver. They did a braking test of high performance cars, and all the Nissans in the test experiences severe brake fade after only a couple stops. This included the 350Z Nismo and an FX SUV. The fade was so bad that the brake pedals were going right to the floor after only a couple stops - Nissan brakes suck. C&D even called Nissan to ask what was going on, of course they had no answer because they are idiots.

And then you say Brembo brakes as good as they should be?? Is that why they are used on damn near every high performance car on the market?? You're saying they've made a world renouned name for themselves by selling subpar products?? The ZR1 stops in 96ft from 60MPH using 6 piston front and 4 piston rear Brembos. Nissan brakes can barely stop the car from 60 without the pedal fading to the floor, get real troll.

I saw that. I took very good note of it. But maybe it was there test mule. You do know that magazines get hand me down cars right? When one mag is done testing it goes to another. But there is no excuse for those brakes and what happened during that testing. But, I know for sure it has yet to happen to me when spirit driving on the highway at 160. My brakes stop me consistently good. And at Autox they stop me very well.

Oh and the Z06 has Carbon Ceramic brakes. They are not just brembos. Also the massive size of them. They are larger than the brakes on the Enzo so it better be able to stop damn good.

The Nismo 370Z is $55K??

LOL you'd be a moron to buy one. I can't imagine paying that kind of money for the same V6 you get in a family car.

So what's the pontiac G8 come with again? Cadillac CTS-V and they cost in the 40k range brand new?

dam it took you long to reply, i guess you couldent find out how you it could be done. i see youve read up on the G50 transaxle though. dude you seriously dont know shit. i wasent asking you for ur advice either, learn how to read, its sarcasm. the G50 came on the 89 porsche turbo , same year my dad has, and the 1st turbo to come with a 5 speed. but if you really knew anything you would know that it really is not necessary to make 600rwhp, the 4 speed could take it. its easy to name a well known porsche tuner and say "just ask them" next time some one asks on this forum what they should do with thier F-body ill tell them just call SLP.

You lost man, thats it, you cannot say anything anylonger and now you want to argue about a completely off topic thing, but that wont hide the truth that youve got jack squat to say about the original argument, and that ultimately I beat the 320+rwhp 370z.

keep practicing at Forza, maybe youll run faster than 13.9 someday

btw you couldent see past the 85 thing. if you knew anything about porsches you would have known that in 85 the porsche turbo was not available in the US therefore making that particular year very hard to come by and desirable since it would be a european version. but how could you have known. all you know comes from Forza

So what's the pontiac G8 come with again? Cadillac CTS-V and they cost in the 40k range brand new?

lol the CTS-V is a hell of a bargain at 40k considering its faster than an M5. but i guess that doesent matter if the M5 "feels" better. Nvm the CTS-V is the fastest producton Sedan on Nurburgring, beating the M5, M6, and even the M3, and anything mercedes has to offer as well

If it's not this then it's that. That's how you all sound. Why not buy this GM instead of buying that car.

why? cause GM is better. thats what all of this has been about. btw, no one said a F-body is good around the track. it has a solid rear axle its made for drag racing. the 2010 camaro has indepenent suspension all around. and, for the millionth time now, its faster then the 370z in any form of racing.

but if you like sucking ass so much by all means side with the Z then, if it floats you boat. i personally just like cars that are worth my time.

dam it took you long to reply, i guess you couldent find out how you it could be done. i see youve read up on the G50 transaxle though. dude you seriously dont know shit. i wasent asking you for ur advice either, learn how to read, its sarcasm. the G50 came on the 89 porsche turbo , same year my dad has, and the 1st turbo to come with a 5 speed. but if you really knew anything you would know that it really is not necessary to make 600rwhp, the 4 speed could take it. its easy to name a well known porsche tuner and say "just ask them" next time some one asks on this forum what they should do with thier F-body ill tell them just call SLP.

You lost man, thats it, you cannot say anything anylonger and now you want to argue about a completely off topic thing, but that wont hide the truth that youve got jack squat to say about the original argument, and that ultimately I beat the 320+rwhp 370z.

keep practicing at Forza, maybe youll run faster than 13.9 someday

btw you couldent see past the 85 thing. if you knew anything about porsches you would have known that in 85 the porsche turbo was not available in the US therefore making that particular year very hard to come by and desirable since it would be a european version. but how could you have known. all you know comes from Forza

I said I wasn't going to reply to your posts but I will anyway. The more you post the dumber you sound. First off not everyone is in the states. It took me so long to post since I'm in fucking Japan sleeping. Next good job on the google search. If you ask a question your question will be answered. Now I never said I was a Porsche guru, however you've been proven wrong on multiple occasions about these Porsche's. Lastly RUF imports to this day Porsche's of all kinds. From the RS to the rare Turbo S and converts them.
So I guess they weren't available as an 84 turbo either right?

lol the CTS-V is a hell of a bargain at 40k considering its faster than an M5. but i guess that doesent matter if the M5 "feels" better. Nvm the CTS-V is the fastest producton Sedan on Nurburgring, beating the M5, M6, and even the M3, and anything mercedes has to offer as well

God you're such a fag. You even sound like the fucking commercial. I dislike people like you. Will you ever drive on the nurburgring? No. Can you or will you ever match the times of the CTS-V at the Nurburgring? No. Will you ever drive at Laguna Seca? No. Will you ever setup cones in an empty parking lot to do a slalom course? No. So shut the fuck up then. Stop comparing this paper bs. If it's not realworld then it didn't happen. That's like saying "oh the GTR is faster than an LP640 because the stig drove it faster at top gear's test track".

why? cause GM is better. thats what all of this has been about. btw, no one said a F-body is good around the track. it has a solid rear axle its made for drag racing. the 2010 camaro has indepenent suspension all around. and, for the millionth time now, its faster then the 370z in any form of racing.

but if you like sucking ass so much by all means side with the Z then, if it floats you boat. i personally just like cars that are worth my time.

So wait. So the f body is slower than a 350Z around a road track right? Admit it please, so we can just all stop posting this vs that. Because quite frankly it's what the Z was built to do. Be a handler. Not a 1/4 mile car. Obviously the F body was built to be a 1/4 mile car.

So I go to youtube to shoot the shit since I'm bored right now. And I find this little bit of info that verde seems to leave out. So in this video here, you make things even, you add a passenger to your car and the result is a lot different. Now I don't know how ASR works for GM's but to me it sounds like a traction control. Not to sound ignorant but how does it retard timing if you're not spinning?

So am I right?

http://www.camarowiki.com/index.php/ASR



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgQSrm984h4

So wait. So the f body is slower than a 350Z around a road track right? Admit it please, so we can just all stop posting this vs that. Because quite frankly it's what the Z was built to do. Be a handler. Not a 1/4 mile car. Obviously the F body was built to be a 1/4 mile car.

LS1Tech.......Pulling in the trolls since the turn of the century....:gruffy:

Considering both the 350Z and the 4th gen F-body pull 0.87-0.88g on the 200ft skidpad........by your reasoning the 350Z isn't much of a handler, huh?

Hold on, wait a minute. Maybe it is a 1/4 mile car? Nope?

So let's see:

Same crappy handling and slower than a LS1 F-body makes the 350Z good for exactly what again?

Skidpad and slalom numbers aren't everything, btw.

Edit: And for the record, there is a reason that people don't buy cars out of magazines. It doesn't matter what a magazine says or what some test says... if you don't like the way the car FEELS when you drive it, you won't buy it. And every car feels different. So whether you like it or not Verde, some people are going to drive the Camaro and cars like it (Challenger comes to mind) and think they feel/drive too heavy. That's just the way things are. Not everybody is looking for the same thing in a car, which would be why we have different makes to choose from.

LS1Tech.......Pulling in the trolls since the turn of the century....:gruffy:

Considering both the 350Z and the 4th gen F-body pull 0.87-0.88g on the 200ft skidpad........by your reasoning the 350Z isn't much of a handler, huh?

Hold on, wait a minute. Maybe it is a 1/4 mile car? Nope?

So let's see:

Same crappy handling and slower than a LS1 F-body makes the 350Z good for exactly what again?

Here we go again, going back to magazine shit. Let's talk road course, autox, that type of racing/driving. So wait doing my random research once again this time in the redline time attack why don't we see any f bodies here?

http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rd6streetresults.pdf

Or here. But wait, somehow someway they will say oh wait there is a Z06 there though. Wait it lost to a boring, slow, 167 hp, Miata. I guess power isn't everything. Oh and this is the modified class.

http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rd6modresults.pdf

And look to the right on this one under the driver standings. Count the 350Z's.

http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/

Oh and by the way. I have a very interesting question. If and only if Nissan used the VR38DETT from the R35 Skyline Chassis in the 370Z would that be a fair race against the Camaro? Now we're talking magazine facts.

Here we go again, going back to magazine shit. Let's talk road course, autox, that type of racing/driving. So wait doing my random research once again this time in the redline time attack why don't we see any f bodies here?

http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rd6streetresults.pdf

Or here. But wait, somehow someway they will say oh wait there is a Z06 there though. Wait it lost to a boring, slow, 167 hp, Miata. I guess power isn't everything. Oh and this is the modified class.

http://www.redlinetrackevents.com/rtaresults/rd6modresults.pdf

And look to the right on this one under the driver standings. Count the 350Z's.

http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/

Oh and by the way. I have a very interesting question. If and only if Nissan used the VR38DETT from the R35 Skyline Chassis in the 370Z would that be a fair race against the Camaro? Now we're talking magazine facts.

yawn.

Sorry, I don't know much about that unsanctioned racing event. I spent too much of my time racing in SCCA Showroom Stock B and C class events and NASA autox. You know? Real racing sanctioning bodies?

Exactly how many autox's or road races have you been in again?

yawn.

Sorry, I don't know much about that unsanctioned racing event. I spent too much of my time racing in SCCA Showroom Stock B and C class events and NASA autox. You know? Real racing sanctioning bodies?

Exactly how many autox's or road races have you been in again?

Couldn't tell you how many Autox's.Probably 50-60 in a span of 3 years. No road racing.

Goddammit the GTR weighs 3900 lbs, thats more than a Camaro SS by 100lbs:eek2:, damn it must not be a sports car either. fuck.
it has a back seat. it's not a sports car!
They will never understand it man. These dudes are all about performance figures. Not what real driving is about.
i get it now. buy the inferior car based solely on the fact that it might "feel" better
Yes. Power isn't everything.

it also beats it on the road course. isnt that your cup of tea?
No it doesn't. Why do you think people prefer the 911 GT3 and not the Turbo? The GT3 is slower around a track, and also slower at 1/4 mile, roll racing anything. And the Turbo is a bolt on loving whore. They do because of the feel and excitement you get everytime you drive the GT3. And the Turbo is more luxurious.

because they're retarded? that's why..

you guys are reaching. the 370z has nothing to offer against the camaro. so now you stoop to things you cant argue about. it "feels" better. who cares. the camaro IS better. i'm just waiting for the "370z looks better" and the famous "370z will get you laid more"

So I go to youtube to shoot the shit since I'm bored right now. And I find this little bit of info that verde seems to leave out. So in this video here, you make things even, you add a passenger to your car and the result is a lot different. Now I don't know how ASR works for GM's but to me it sounds like a traction control. Not to sound ignorant but how does it retard timing if you're not spinning?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgQSrm984h4


LOL you left out the other video. Its in the first post.

in the second video the guy had me put my brother in my car, for a total of 250lbs of extra weight and turn the ASR on, because thats how i raced him every other time before. ask anyone here and they will tell you that ASR kills the car, it really does reduce power until the car stops spinning

but if you like ill post another vid, now that i have new better tires and not the crappy wasted ones i had before, and i replaced my broken trans mount with a energy suspension mount.

I still call BS on all your racing experience since you fail to be able to provide any proof like i did here. you are just hater dude, thats why you are in here, i bet your one of those kids who keep posting crap about the ZR1 in every video it has on youtube.

and i never said the F-body was quick around the track, but apperantly others think so.

edit: btw when we did that race he just finished installing the headers and exhaust the other day, and i passed by his house to pich up a jack, 4 jack stands, a impact electric wrench, 2 ramps, and a tool box, all of which were in my car, probably close to about 140-150lbs, and his passenger weighs about 145lbs, so i would have to say the 1st race was the most even anyways. thats why he was ok with having a passenger at first, cause i had all that stuff in my car anyways so we agreed that it was even.

God you're such a fag. You even sound like the fucking commercial. I dislike people like you. Will you ever drive on the nurburgring? No. Can you or will you ever match the times of the CTS-V at the Nurburgring? No. Will you ever drive at Laguna Seca? No. Will you ever setup cones in an empty parking lot to do a slalom course? No. So shut the fuck up then. Stop comparing this paper bs. If it's not realworld then it didn't happen. That's like saying "oh the GTR is faster than an LP640 because the stig drove it faster at top gear's test track".

you hate so hard. you know nurburgring is a real place someone could actually go to, not just a track that exists in your video games, so i would imagine if the cts-v is faster in the real world, then it would be real? i dont understand your logic anymore, its like your covering your eyes and keep telling yourself "no its not true it cant be". WTF did you mean it dident happen? if you want to think that way then all forms of circuit racing is pointless because they dont take place in the "real world" where there are streets and avenues and most of them are in straight lines anyway. and no i probably wont be doing those things either, but you havent probably either so who are you to speak. im just to busy raping 350z and 370z.

behold the guy who managed to run a crappy 13.9, slower than expected for a stock 350z, but his is probably modded to hell, since he knows so much shit, and still manages a crappy time. you dont know shit about anything, and you are a crappy driver as well. so i dont see you accomplishing much in the future.

and of course you would hate people like me, since i just took a shit on your dream car with my 11 year old camaro,(btw that was in the "real world") and you simply cannot come to terms with that. so you resort to arbitrary concepts and simply just talking shit.

oh and by the way, if you watch the second video, and they are both attached to eachother buy video response so its not like i was trying to hide the second one like you imply, but dispite 500 extra lbs and ASR being on, i still took him. you make it seem like he won. buts thats cause you see only what you want to see.

So I go to youtube to shoot the shit since I'm bored right now. And I find this little bit of info that verde seems to leave out. So in this video here, you make things even, you add a passenger to your car and the result is a lot different. Now I don't know how ASR works for GM's but to me it sounds like a traction control. Not to sound ignorant but how does it retard timing if you're not spinning?

So am I right?

http://www.camarowiki.com/index.php/ASR



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgQSrm984h4

you couldent find the answer on google or some other forum you troll around in? goddam troll your slacking. Im going to call the 370z guy up, and make another vid, and destroy him even more, and i wont even post it here, oh no ill make a new thread so you have to work twice as hard bouncing back and forth talking shit on each one. i recommend you use tabs.

and for being on youtube so long, dont you have a vids to show for it? perhaps one of you track days or something....do they exist?

http://www.camarowiki.com/index.php/ASR

damn i just noticed that you posted this link, DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW TO F*CKIN READ? it says it right there, it reduces engine power until the tires stop spinning, and i assure you my tires were spinning, thats why I fall a little behind initially in the original vid. retarding timing is how the computer reduces power, do you even know what i mean by this "timing" or "retard". im sure your familiar with the latter...

in the 2009 scca touring 2 championship every camaro z 28 placed higher than every nissan 350z, with the highest placing camaro being 5th and the lowest placing 10th, while the highest placing nissan was 13th and the lowest placing was last. Need more proof than this the f-body is faster than the 350z in every way? This is a stock class road racing championship and the camaro beat the nissan in every vehicle.

Why do we have to wait 10 years. We have it right now. Where are the f bods at autox? road racing? Our Z's have been there since 69 where are you? Don't even answer that question since I promise you I won't reply back.
I guess you haven't looked very hard, the Fbodies are dominating the f-stock class...
But as you have been saying all along, lap times are just a bunch of numbers so who cares right?
Just because the car doesn't handle great from the factory doesn't mean it can't handling great with just a few mods to fix the simple mistakes. My car with just a little over $1000 in suspension makes the 350Z feel finicky and lack luster in turns. Now wipe your tears before you post again.

Here we go again, going back to magazine shit. Let's talk road course, autox, that type of racing/driving. So wait doing my random research once again this time in the redline time attack why don't we see any f bodies here?

Why do you want to talk about modified racing with different drivers with different experience? Anything goes here, and this will show NOTHING about the stock car since most of the these cars are so far from stock.



Oh and by the way. I have a very interesting question. If and only if Nissan used the VR38DETT from the R35 Skyline Chassis in the 370Z would that be a fair race against the Camaro? Now we're talking magazine facts.
So a modified vs stock race? Typical fanboy shit here. Sure if you want to drop that 700+lbs lump of underpowered shit into that car to completely throw off the balance be my guest. Or why not do what everyone else is doing to put in a smaller, lighter (390lbs) engine like an LSx series?

Oh hes one of those "Skyline" kids....


Heres a vid that might interest you.


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-vs-GTR-wHKS-570Kit_718090.htm

Yea let's not talk bolt on cars vs the Z06. I know the guys over at Protomotive have no problem with bolt on 996TT's making into the 700 rwhp range. So let's see what your bolt on Vette can do at a light against that.

And you say I should've bought the Z06 because it's faster. Look man I'm into driving. Like I said before how much of that power can you legally use on the street and how often? ooh and wait I even had a guy in z C6 Z06 complement my car while getting gas. Come on man.

Also if pushed came to shove, I could do bolt ons on my Z, tune, with a 150 shot and leave Z06's all day long. But it's so stupid to argue this bolt on that vs bolt on this. My stock Z keeps me content. Does your stock car make you happy or do you feel insecure about a Z06 next to you at a light?


now I realize that you are dillusional...as you beleave a 370z can even be breathed in the same sentance as z06


You have no idea what your talking about....Take your 370 to the drag strip and line up with a stock C5Z06...Your best ever run could ba a 13.2 at 107 mph and he would run a crappy for him 12.8 at 112 mph...Even this would appear to be a major rapeing from your perspective..

In reality you'll run 13.5 at 105 mph and he'll run 12.5 at 115 mph...You have NO IDEA HOW MUCH OF A RAPEING THIS IS...It's like you wernt even raceing..trust me Ive been their and done that as I had over 1000 stock passes in my 2004 c5 at the strip and raced many cars that were a second faster than me....This alone would get your mind right...

To get your car from running that 13.5 at 105 to 12.5 at 115 to match that Z06 you will need that 150 shot...bUT FOR HEAVENS SAKES MAN WHAT IF YOU PUT THE 150 SHOT ON THE z06?????????


tHEN GO TO A ROAD COURSE AND WATCH THE c5z05'S BE ABOUT 7 SECONDS FASTER AROUND THE 2 MILE COURSE THAN THE 370z'S..

aGAIN THIS WILL SEEM LIKE AN ETERNITY..

Your gonna get some off hand kool car comments ...Simply because you have the new model...remember when the new mustangs came out..I gave plenty of compliments to the owners of these cars at first...fast forward to today and I see so many of them that I dont even notice them..Much like the 350Z's and 6 months from now much like how your 370Z will be..

But 10 years from now the C5Z06 will still be a kool ass car..Hell it came out in 2001 and still has an amazing reputation on the street...

Im telling you..Sell that 370Z and get what you really wanted in the first place..Those 2002Z06's have hit 0-60 mph in 4.1 seconds..You asked "when can you use that kinda power anyways"...

every time you hit an on ramp..Wich is usually once a day or so..AND for those brisk 4-5 seconds to get up to 55-70 mph to merge with traffic on the highway you will know in your heart that you will never be able to drive a V6 again...

My one regret with my vehicles is that I never owned a C5z06.... Ive had camaro/vette/viper/nsx..And still have an nsx and just bought another Viper a few days ago....But the car that started it all for me was the c5Z06....I remember reading the atricles where they went 12.4 at 116 mph back in 2002...That was fast enough to beat just about any car available for sale at the time other than the super exotics and Viper..

then the C5Z06's started dominating road courses and other track day events..I couldnt afford the 60K they were selling for so i got a C5coupe for 50K and then added the LS6 heads and cam ( Z06 engine parts) but it was still no z06..As the Z06's were lighter and had better handling as well as a superior transmission...

Im trying to paint a picture for you bro..Your 370Z all in all as far as handling ect...is about their with a 1997 C5 vette..A lil slower and about the same as looks go as I think both the C5 and 370Z are lookers..

But you shouldnt even be able to put 370Z in the same breath as C5Z06...

Im not some biased LS1 guy...Im a enthusiast who is trying to point you in the right direction.....

Heres a few pics of my viper i just got.....

Now I see you in your 370Z and I honestly aint given a shit....But you roll up in a C5Z06..Well Im taking notice and hopeing I have a lot more mods than you do cause a civil war is about to break out

This is going to show how much bs some of you SS lovers are spreading on this forum. These are my facts. Apparently the majority of you are retarded so I am going to post up a summary of what bs verde and whoever else it is talking dumb shit.

the better buy is the Camaro SS, why you ask, cause its was priced at 32k as tested in that article and the Nismo 370z was priced 40K as tested. Why would anyone buy the 370z, which has a higher base price than the Camaro SS??!?!?!

I hit you back with this. Acutal dealership pricing of the 2 cars. Not what Motor Trend says but what you and your money can go buy tomorrow. Both cars selling for 35k. Nearly the same options.

http://www.chevroletofturnersville.c...s-4832109.html
http://www.nissanofturnersville.com/...g-4793497.html

Then this guy says.

A 2010 camaro will wax a 1998 camaro...A LS1 camaro on an average day with an average drive is a 13.5 at 106 mph car....A 2010 camaro on a average day with an average driver is a 13.1 at 110 mph car

and...

In great weather at atco with ranger driving your talking 12.99 at 110 for the 98 camaro and 12.59 at 114 for the 2010 camro...

No comparison...If youve ever been to the strip and seen how fast a car that trapps 4 mph higher than you will pull away then you know what Im sayin...



Somehow miraculously by racing at ATCO the car gains 4 mph. Highly untrue.


But wait.
My stock WS6 went 12.82 @ 110 mph, granted it was a cool night (about 50*) but it still pulled the time.

Top 5 that I am aware of....

1. Pave1 - 12.86 @ 107.70 mph, (L99, A6)
2. speedy6963 - 12.87 @ 109.08, (LS3, M6)
3. 8ty8 ls1 - 12.90 @ 107.90 mph, (L99, A6), (DA -822)
4. nhra stocker - 12.92 @ 109.02, (LS3, M6)
5. NineBall - 13.07 @ 109.07 mph, (LS3, M6)


At Atco when I ran my Z our DA was -844. No typo. Cold air or not. When you have a sticky track and low DA's you're going to do some damage. Next.
Not going to lie to ya they're about the same damn times. Next.



Also how is the Camaro SS not a sports car? what is it then a 2 door sedan? its faster than the Nismo so get over it. it beat you at your own game and get used to it cuz thats what GM is going to contunue to do.


Where as earlier I said.


A sports car by definition is and I quote "an open, low-built, fast motor car. The term describes a class of automobile with two seats, two doors, precise handling, brisk acceleration, and sharp braking — trading practical considerations such as passenger space, comfort, and cargo capacity — for driving enjoyment" Now a grand touring car is a "high-performance luxury automobile designed for long-distance driving. The most common format is a two-door coupé with either a two-seat or a 2+2 arrangement". Tell me I am wrong now. Similar but different. That's why I say it is not a sports car but more suited to be a Grand Tourer.

Then you said.

Let me apologize to those who were offended by my calling a camaro a sports car. yes it is definately a Muscle car or pony car anyday before it would be called a sports car fine have it your way.

but this guy went so far to say that a miata is more of a sports car than a camaro and that just bugged me....he also went so far to say that a 350z is more of a sports car than a vette, and thats just unacceptable.


there are NO g37's that will break into the 12's with drag radials on a stock engine. and the 350z is slower straight line and in curves than a stock c5 so why even compare it to a z06?

So I said. Backed that up with facts.

All this talk about performance, I chose to compare the Z because the Z is what I had my eyes on from the getgo.But anyway back to the G37. This thread is talked about it. Yes I do believe it because he has posted the timeslip on multiple forums.

http://myg37.com/forums/motorsports-track/200908-any-official-1-4-mile-quickest-list.html

Then the Porsche comment that you might have missed.


Also, please tell me where you can find a 966TT for 40K??!?!?! seriously, ill go and pick that up right now! thats right you cant. If im a Fanboy, id be a Porsche Fanboy, and i bet your ass i know more about those cars than you do and have been around more of them. i doubt you can find a 993TT for around 40K, shit the original 930 turbo still go for about 40k, and those are 76-89. BTW get your porsche number straight. 996 is the older one, but uses the newer chassis, 2009 was the last year for the 997, and 2010 is 997 1/2, its not considered a 998 yet.

I backed it up with 3 currently forsale pristine examples.



1. 996TT x50 packaged. The X50 package was a performance package in short summary.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/191760-fs-2002-996tt-x50-low-miles-warranty.html

2. Another low mileaged TT.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/190924-01-996tt-silver-black-sport-seats-6sp-29k-miles-ohio.html

3. Low mileaged again.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automobiles-sale/191195-2001-996-turbo-arctic-silver.html

Now here are your 3 turbos. Pick one and buy it fanboy. Now you show me some facts and not what Motortrend shows you or wikipedia.org.

fastest g37 on dragtimes stock is 13.5. That is the fastest. Average is 14.1. With a turbo it can go 12.5. So the guy doing 12.9 stock probably has a turbo just like the other ones in the 12's.

First off there is only buy a couple G37 TT's out there. And both of them on the stock blocks put down over 500 rwhp and 600 rwhp. Definitely way above 12's. Built buy GTM. Google GTM and you will see. I'm tired of posting up links to real shit since none of you will believe it. Stuck in your LS world.

all you know comes from Forza

So all these facts come from fucking Forza right? More of your bs.

in the second video the guy had me put my brother in my car, for a total of 250lbs of extra weight and turn the ASR on, because thats how i raced him every other time before. ask anyone here and they will tell you that ASR kills the car, it really does reduce power until the car stops spinning.

Oh wait and I already said that.

Your car clearly was not spinning from a fucking 40 roll NA with bolt ons. GTFO with that bullshit. Next.

So a modified vs stock race? Typical fanboy shit here. Sure if you want to drop that 700+lbs lump of underpowered shit into that car to completely throw off the balance be my guest. Or why not do what everyone else is doing to put in a smaller, lighter (390lbs) engine like an LSx series?

I clearly said that if Nissan put the VR38DETT into the 370Z. That means from the manufacturer. That is not modified. Would it be a legit comparison? Since the Camaro uses the LS3 which is offered in the Vette which is top of the line for GM. (Vette in general, not talking specifc model). For the 370Z to use the top of the line Nissan engine. Is that a legit comparison because apparently.

Whatever on one of the pages one of the guys says that you cannot compare a FI car to a NA car. Why the fuck not when that NA car can touch 10's N fucking A?

Now, since I'm the fucking Nissan loving fanboy and all this other bs why is it that my facts are real and yours are from magazine articles? Oh wait don't forget to go back to the newsstands. February's MotorTrend is coming out that Laguna Seca shit is definitely going to be in there.

Oh hes one of those "Skyline" kids....


Heres a vid that might interest you.


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/C6-Z06-vs-GTR-wHKS-570Kit_718090.htm

You are out of your fucking mind. I see more skylines in one day than you would f bodies. A fanboy usually has 0 idea of what a car is, cannot afford it, and typically has their mind set on that one car. My mindset is on Z's. No matter how many R32 GTR's or R33 GTR's I see on a daily basis. I do like them yes but know that they are not the world's greatest car. Neither is any GM like most of you here seem to strongly believe.

God you're such a fag. You even sound like the fucking commercial. I dislike people like you. Will you ever drive on the nurburgring? No. Can you or will you ever match the times of the CTS-V at the Nurburgring? No. Will you ever drive at Laguna Seca? No. Will you ever setup cones in an empty parking lot to do a slalom course? No. So shut the fuck up then. Stop comparing this paper bs. If it's not realworld then it didn't happen. That's like saying "oh the GTR is faster than an LP640 because the stig drove it faster at top gear's test track".

Put into bold for him to read between the lines.

you guys aren't going to win with z33 option. he is a fanboi that clearly isnt playing with a full deck. all he is going to do is keep talking in circles and dispute proven facts. in the end we know the truth, but he will keep living in his sad little world.

now I realize that you are dillusional...as you beleave a 370z can even be breathed in the same sentance as z06


You have no idea what your talking about....Take your 370 to the drag strip and line up with a stock C5Z06...Your best ever run could ba a 13.2 at 107 mph and he would run a crappy for him 12.8 at 112 mph...Even this would appear to be a major rapeing from your perspective..


I don't care. I really don't. If I did then I would drive a Z06. :read: Please. My God. It doesn't really matter to me what you can do in the fucking 1/4 mile. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER TO ME.

Holy shit for the billionth time, I know the Z06 is faster, I know the fucking car has this and that and fucking blah, but I drive a fucking 350Z because I love my fucking NISSAN. You fucking all sound like my dick is bigger haha. Is my ego supposed to be hurt now since you can go faster in a 1/4 mile. At the end of the day, when you drive your fucking car home are you happy? If not then I suggest you buy something else because I am completely fucking content with my so called oil burning, brake fading, torqueless, wonder.

seriously man.....the ss camaros just came out....They will run mid 12's at 113 plus mph...It's not a guess...it's the way it will be.... within 6 months this will happen...will your 370Z touch 12.999 at 111????

Im a lot more confident in the camaro than the Z....Thats for sure....

And yea..Someone at a jersey track will figure the new ss out and make it happen..

Dont forget that people figured out how to get 2005 C6's TO touch 12.4 at 115 mph.....wHEN THE FIRST BUYERS WHERE ONLY HITTING 12.9 AT 110 MPH.....

To me the LS3 SS is only a tick (2 mph and 2 tenths) slower than the 2005 C6 as the LS3 is a farr superior engine to the LS2 Try (335 rwhp VRS 370 rwhp)

you guys aren't going to win with z33 option. he is a fanboi that clearly isnt playing with a full deck. all he is going to do is keep talking in circles and dispute proven facts. in the end we know the truth, but he will keep living in his sad little world.

Here we go again. I'd like to crush you with a big fucking hammer. :read::read::read:

seriously man.....the ss camaros just came out....They will run mid 12's at 113 plus mph...It's not a guess...it's the way it will be.... within 6 months this will happen...will your 370Z touch 12.999 at 111????

Im a lot more confident in the camaro than the Z....Thats for sure....

And yea..Someone at a jersey track will figure the new ss out and make it happen..

Dont forget that people figured out how to get 2005 C6's TO touch 12.4 at 115 mph.....wHEN THE FIRST BUYERS WHERE ONLY HITTING 12.9 AT 110 MPH.....

To me the LS3 SS is only a tick (2 mph and 2 tenths) slower than the 2005 C6 as the LS3 is a farr superior engine to the LS2 Try (335 rwhp VRS 370 rwhp)

Tell me how the fuck can you pick up 4 mph top end? Unless if something is wrong with your car, it is 100+ out and 100% humidity. Out of all my runs at Atco the most any of my runs has varied from 80* temps down to 35* temps was 1-2 mph. Difference of 700ft. Not fucking 4. A 370Z will never trap 111 stock. 108 surely. 109 I highly doubt it. But a 105 mph trap is what's need to get to the 12.90's. If we didn't have so much weight off the line we'd achieve 1.8 60's and would be at a 12.90. Someone is going to get smart do some free mods and fucking do it.

Leave the darkSide and come to us bro..You'll be happy....I absolutely hate my nsx..Slow ass v6...even with the supercharger it only ran high 12's..POS IMHO...

Sell that shit and get the SS..10 years from now a SS camaro will still be a bad mother fucker..

My dream garage is...

-1996 Viper
-1991 nsx
-2001 c5Z05
-2002 SS camaro
-2003 cobra ( questionable)

Some cars..even years from now will have a street cred that will never die...SS camaro is one of them..

If you just wont do the SS then man up and get the C5Z06...get a 2004 with the carbon fiber hood...Or a white with red interior "drool"....

Anyways...You'll see the light after your first actual street encounter against a SS or C5Z06....

I remember when I was trying to decide between a SRT10 and C6Z06 years ago...I was like..Man the viper looks kooler and the Vipers more exotic and the Viper has 10 more HP at 510 VS 500 and the Viper yada yada yada...

But when I raced my friends C6Z06 from 70-140 mph and he put 2 cars on me..Well all that shit goes out the window and I started to question my decision a lil...You'll see....

yes i can lose traction with a 40 in 1st gear, my car has a little something called torque, something you must be completely unfamiliar with. Also, so i guess youve been to nurburgring and laguna seca right? go play some more Forza. arguing with you is pointless because you havent really been able to disprove anything. the two 35K cars was a simple 370z compared with the 2SS, so your basically comparing a basic 370z with a fully optioned Camaro 2SS, what about both of them being base models? a base SS is cheaper than a base 370z. and that example you showed the 370z has less options.

yes i can lose traction with a 40 in 1st gear, my car has a little something called torque, something you must be completely unfamiliar with. Also, so i guess youve been to nurburgring and laguna seca right? go play some more Forza. arguing with you is pointless because you havent really been able to disprove anything. the two 35K cars was a simple 370z compared with the 2SS, so your basically comparing a basic 370z with a fully optioned Camaro 2SS, what about both of them being base models? a base SS is cheaper than a base 370z. and that example you showed the 370z has less options.

OMG I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING THERE. YOU COMPARED THE TIMES NOT ME DUMBASS. Being in the military I do have the option since there is an AFB nearby in Germany. But will I ever pay the ridiculous price to do 1 lap. Hell fucking no.

Leave the darkSide and come to us bro..You'll be happy....I absolutely hate my nsx..Slow ass v6...even with the supercharger it only ran high 12's..POS IMHO...

Sell that shit and get the SS..10 years from now a SS camaro will still be a bad mother fucker..

My dream garage is...

-1996 Viper
-1991 nsx
-2001 c5Z05
-2002 SS camaro
-2003 cobra ( questionable)

Some cars..even years from now will have a street cred that will never die...SS camaro is one of them..

If you just wont do the SS then man up and get the C5Z06...get a 2004 with the carbon fiber hood...Or a white with red interior "drool"....

Anyways...You'll see the light after your first actual street encounter against a SS or C5Z06....

I remember when I was trying to decide between a SRT10 and C6Z06 years ago...I was like..Man the viper looks kooler and the Vipers more exotic and the Viper has 10 more HP at 510 VS 500 and the Viper yada yada yada...

But when I raced my friends C6Z06 from 70-140 mph and he put 2 cars on me..Well all that shit goes out the window and I started to question my decision a lil...You'll see....

No. I hate you. :gruffy: But I do have a love for the GTS Vipers though. Would never buy one since I met alot of the owners at meets and they are assholes.

Tell me how the fuck can you pick up 4 mph top end? Unless if something is wrong with your car, it is 100+ out and 100% humidity. Out of all my runs at Atco the most any of my runs has varied from 80* temps down to 35* temps was 1-2 mph. Difference of 700ft. Not fucking 4. A 370Z will never trap 111 stock. 108 surely. 109 I highly doubt it. But a 105 mph trap is what's need to get to the 12.90's. If we didn't have so much weight off the line we'd achieve 1.8 60's and would be at a 12.90. Someone is going to get smart do some free mods and fucking do it.

How the fuck can a C6Z06 hit 10.999 at 129 when everyone else runs 11.6 at 125?

How the fuck can a 2003 Viper run 11.5 at 124 when everyone else runs 11.9 at 121?

How the Fuck can a C5Z06 run 11.999 at 117 when everyone else runs 12.4 at 115?

How the fuck can a 98 camaro run 12.999 at 110 when everyone else runs 13.4 at 106?


PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE and perfect weather conditions as well as perfect track prep and the grace of GOD and a lil luck....


"109 I highly doubt it. But a 105 mph trap is what's need to get to the 12.90's. If we didn't have so much weight off the line we'd achieve 1.8 60's and would be at a 12.90. Someone is going to get smart do some free mods and fucking do it"

I beleave this is why we all have problems with Ricers...You say do some free mods and hit the 12.999......Stock is stock period... Free mods my ass bro...Why dont you take out the air filter and punch out the cats and take off the side view mirrors while your doing the other free mods...

Good Grief Z33Brown

Ok I should've clarified "free mods". Free mods as in weight reduction. No spare, jack, etc.

i asked you if you have any proof or vids of what you claim you can do, first you said you have a 350z, and when all these guys just now mistakingly said you have a 370z, you dident correct them, im starting to question whether you have any of these cars at all, and for going out racing 50 to 60 times or whatever it is, you dont have anything to show for it? your full of shit dude.

i like how you disreguard my last comment about loosing traction, I really want to know how you could tell though, since you cant even see my tires in the vid. and the tires i had in the vid were worn and had no tread left. they were also 18" kumho crappy tires.

hahaha ! You guys have exuberance. :wavey:




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Didnt realize you were in the military....I respect that...I did 7 years Army infantry and now have to wear hearing aids and talk like a retard cause I cant hear what im sayin...But it was worth it.....

Ill leave you alone since you serve our country and keep us safe...But let me know when you discharge so i can talk shit about choosing a 370Z over a SS or good God C5Z06...

Until discharged or retired...Have a good one and Thank You for keeping me..my wife /kids and every american citizen safe

i asked you if you have any proof or vids of what you claim you can do, first you said you have a 350z, and when all these guys just now mistakingly said you have a 370z, you dident correct them, im starting to question whether you have any of these cars at all, and for going out racing 50 to 60 times or whatever it is, you dont have anything to show for it? your full of shit dude.

i like how you disreguard my last comment about loosing traction, I really want to know how you could tell though, since you cant even see my tires in the vid. and the tires i had in the vid were worn and had no tread left. they were also 18" kumho crappy tires.

Ok here's some pics for you all. My Z. Sorry I do not have any proof of my 50-60 autox's. Sorry so you can call bs on that. I know what I did.

I'm sure someone from Texas is also going to notice the plate. I bought the car after techschool in Texas and have since converted the plates to NJ. I might have some that are updated I might not but these were what was available on my photobucket.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/96NeonACR/100_0308.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/96NeonACR/100_0274.jpg

My old S14 powered by a RB25DET to show that I do live in Japan.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/96NeonACR/000_0010.jpg

Didnt realize you were in the military....I respect that...I did 7 years Army infantry and now have to wear hearing aids and talk like a retard cause I cant hear what im sayin...But it was worth it.....

Ill leave you alone since you serve our country and keep us safe...But let me know when you discharge so i can talk shit about choosing a 370Z over a SS or good God C5Z06...

Until discharged or retired...Have a good one and Thank You for keeping me..my wife /kids and every american citizen safe

Thanks alot. I will definitely get back to you. Quote me on this but I will admit buying a Camaro SS or C6 Corvette is extremely tempting. (10 more pages)

I want to end this war. To the OP good kill once again, and I know if we ever lined up you would easily take me in my Z. But thanks alot for posting the video as I do look forward to the next race. I am done here. :cool:

Wow...

seriously man.....the ss camaros just came out....They will run mid 12's at 113 plus mph...It's not a guess...it's the way it will be.... within 6 months this will happen...will your 370Z touch 12.999 at 111????
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *DEEP BREATH* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WOW... you should be banned for that comment.

Tell me how the fuck can you pick up 4 mph top end? Unless if something is wrong with your car, it is 100+ out and 100% humidity. Out of all my runs at Atco the most any of my runs has varied from 80* temps down to 35* temps was 1-2 mph. Difference of 700ft. Not fucking 4. A 370Z will never trap 111 stock. 108 surely. 109 I highly doubt it. But a 105 mph trap is what's need to get to the 12.90's. If we didn't have so much weight off the line we'd achieve 1.8 60's and would be at a 12.90. Someone is going to get smart do some free mods and fucking do it.

This.
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Some summaries:

370Z is a better track car than the SS simply due to weight, among other things.

Pricing may be similar, but the Camaro doesn't have a lot luxury options the Z probably does.

A 370Z is capable of being a low 13sec sub 110mph trap speed car. The SS is quicker, no doubt.

The SS with Pobst behind the wheel was 1? second faster at Laguna Seca. That was all after turn 11 on the straight, I'm certain. The 370Z would probably be quicker at Sears Point.

The Nismo 370Z has a higher hp engine vs. the standard model (350 from 332) with vibration dampers (go figure).

The 370Z is a good choice for SCCA T2 or NASA events. The Camaro, again is too heavy and not considered a great handling or driver's car. Not that it's bad, it's just not great. The last gen. CTS-V is a better example of a heavy track car.

The 370Z has reported oil temp issues and 350Z brake fade. Upgrading to an oil cooler and stainless steel brake lines with high temp fluid are very common upgrades for a LOT of cars for track duty. A LOT. At $35k, you just don't get that with the 370. Not sure about the Nismo.

The SS is undoubtably the one to have for the dragstrip and modding.

The 370Z IS a sports car. The Camaro SS is NOT. Let's put it another way: The Ferrari F430 IS a sports car, the Ferrari 599GTB is NOT. Or, the Mazda Miata IS a sports car. The Mazdaspeed 3 is NOT.

Did I miss anything?

Yea let's not talk bolt on cars vs the Z06. I know the guys over at Protomotive have no problem with bolt on 996TT's making into the 700 rwhp range. So let's see what your bolt on Vette can do at a light against that.



No you don't. Unless you consider larger turbo's a bolt on.

Guy with the highest HP stock block 911 turbo is on this website and it took him quite a bit more than bolt-ons to hit 700whp. http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/texas-members/1197120-not-lsx-dyno-but.html

The swap they do is a K24/18g swap. To me its a bolt on but only because it doesn't require going into the engine internals. It's a direct replacement of the stock counterpart so to me that's a bolt on. For you it may be different. Fuck I had a shit load of k24/18g hybrids but we will have to stick to youtube for this. Sorry. One of my favorites. Doesn't show any hp numbers but you can pretty much guess by the way he pulls on the 470 rwhp M3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Ilc-zTxMk

So is my 402 cubic inch heads and cam stroker motor in my GTO making 550 HP a bolt on?? I dont consider it one since its a completely different engine but thats just how I look at it. Do you look at that a bolt on? Just asking.

No you don't. Unless you consider larger turbo's a bolt on.

Guy with the highest HP stock block 911 turbo is on this website and it took him quite a bit more than bolt-ons to hit 700whp. http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/texas-members/1197120-not-lsx-dyno-but.html

I apologize I was wrong. The hybrid k24/18g makes in the 600 rwhp range and 700 at the crank. Sorry for the confusion. Here is forsale thread that explains the kit.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/automotive-parts-accessories-sale-wanted/126844-evo-stage-iv-kit-k24-18g-sale-brand-new-parts-996tt.html

So is my 402 cubic inch heads and cam stroker motor in my GTO making 550 HP a bolt on?? I dont consider it one since its a completely different engine but thats just how I look at it. Do you look at that a bolt on? Just asking.

Not at all, that's a swap. Think of it like this if it requires you to remove heads, transmission, rear end, or any other major module then it's no longer a bolt on. So that includes cams, flywheels, clutches etc. But headers, turbo manifolds, downpipes, some turbos for certain cars, are yes bolt ons. Also if you have a NA car and apply a FI part to it then it's not a bolt on car any more. What do you all consider bolt ons?