Racer's Lounge - Fedor vs Rogers and ufc 105 predictions

Instead of making 2 threads I have decided to put all of my picks here, vendetta you can seperate them if you fell this is unappropiate

Strikeforce- Brett Rogers vs. Fedor Emelianenko

Fedor Emelianenko vs. Brett Rogers - Fedor 1st rnd submission
Jake Shields vs. Jason “Mayhem” Miller- Miller split decision
Gegard Mousasi vs. Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou- Mousasi tko 2nd rnd
Antonio Silva vs. Fabricio Werdum- Werdum submission 1st rnd
Jeff Curran vs. Dustin Neace- Curran submission 1st rnd
Roxanne Modafferi vs. Marloes Coenen- Coenen tko 1st rnd
Mark Miller vs. Deray Davis- Miller tko 1rnd
Shamar Bailey vs. John Kolosci- Baily decision
Louis Taylor vs. Nate Moore - Moore tko 2nd rnd
Christian Uflacker vs. Jonatas Novaes- Uflacker ud


UFC 105 Couture vs Vera

Randy Couture vs. Brandon Vera- Vera tko 2nd rnd
Michael Bisping vs. Denis Kang- Kang tko 2nd rnd
Mike Swick vs. Dan Hardy- Swick tko 1st rnd
Aaron Riley vs. Ross Pearson- Pearson submission 1st rnd
Paul Taylor vs. John Hathaway- Taylor tko 1st rnd
Matt Riddle vs. Nick Osipczak- Riddle spilt decision
Alexander Gustafsson vs. Jared Hamman- Hamman ud
Paul Kelly vs. Dennis Siver- Kelly tko 1st rnd
Terry Etim vs. Shannon Gugerty- Etim 1st rnd tko

I'll go with my favorite fighter, Fedor. Third round KO.

What are air times for these fights.

Have been slacking in keeping up with this.

fedor first round by submission.

Can't wait to see Fedor fight.


I'm not counting Sokoudjou out. Sokoudjou has some BRUTAL Muay Thai kicks. His grappling potential is also top-notch, but I do understand that Mousasi is a true monster.

Not that he beat Babalu, the WAY he beat Babalu, lol, basically falling asleep.

Some of the best boxing skills I've ever seen in MMA... Yeah, I suppose Mousasi will take it.

I see the MMA threads are dying out quicky of late on this forum. Perhaps I can offer a hand.

I seriously think Brett Rogers is going to get murdered by Fedor on Saturday night.. He's fought a bunch of over weight tomato can slobs thus far. Rogers got lucky with an early punch KO to Orloski, but then again Andrea has a jaw that if the wind blows on it the wrong way, he goes to sleep. Lucky or not the pitbull is prone to the KO.. This should be a very one sided fight as far as I can see it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqNDJCWVU3A Look at some of the guys he has fought.. Total jokes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoePu0dpUxM&feature=related

It's free on CBS on Saturday night, and I will watch Rogers destruction. I will also continue to watch Fedor pad his career with safe and low risk fights..

fedor first round by submission.

I agree...

I dont believe Rogers will get quickly dominated. He might not pull out the win but I'm thinking he will give Fedor the most fight Fedor has seen in a while. Fight could go either way. Rogers has enough power to get a KO if he can catch Fedor, so I'm giving him a striker chance.

I dont believe Rogers will get quickly dominated. He might not pull out the win but I'm thinking he will give Fedor the most fight Fedor has seen in a while. Fight could go either way.

What makes you think that?

Rogers win over Arlovski did not impress me at all... Didn't see much technique there, IMO.

Sure, he has a puncher's chance, but I wouldn't predict the winner of a fight on a puncher's chance. I'd predict the winner on skills.


Is Fedor gonna pad himself with low-risk fights in Strikeforce? Maybe... What's the alternative? Fighting low-risk fights in the UFC instead?

I still don't have any respect for the total skills bankruptcy present in the UFC's HW division... Brock is one guy who beat an average fighter (Mir) which he outweighed by a middle school kid... Unless you just want to watch a brawl.

The only UFC HW fighter with the skills set to make an interesting MMA match for Fedor is Minotauro Nogueira, and that's IF big Nog can get back in his old fighting shape or better... IMO.

What makes you think that?

Nothing really jumps & screams it, but he appears to have some decent power. I kinda like rutting for the underdog anyway though, LOL. This will be his time to show if he can hang with the top fighters in their organization currently. I just hope for a good fight & not a 30 second first round KO, LOL.

And I'm takin Miller over Shields as well, LOL.

Is Fedor gonna pad himself with low-risk fights in Strikeforce? Maybe... What's the alternative? Fighting low-risk fights in the UFC instead?

I still don't have any respect for the total skills bankruptcy present in the UFC's HW division... Brock is one guy who beat an average fighter (Mir) which he outweighed by a middle school kid... Unless you just want to watch a brawl.

The only UFC HW fighter with the skills set to make an interesting MMA match for Fedor is Minotauro Nogueira, and that's IF big Nog can get back in his old fighting shape or better... IMO.

Really? So your not counting his wins over Randy or Heath in your book? Not only did Brock beat Mir the second time around but totally dominated him. Just like he dominated Heath Herring. And he is only gonna keep improving with more & more training, he has already proved that.

I think the same thing that happened to Mir would happen to Nog against Lesnar. He just has too much size, speed & strength. Add that with his wrestling background & he has the potiential to grind anyone out on the ground.

Carwin is also a good HW along with Cain. But you dont mention either of them. I think the UFC's talant pool in the HW division is getting deeper than your giving it credit for. Granted its pale in comparison to the MW or LWH division, but it is growing.

I see it going this way, they stand for a little bit maybe one or two exchanges. Fedor ties him up and trips him, Fedor rips a nasty Kimura and Rogers taps within the 1st round.

Is Fedor gonna pad himself with low-risk fights in Strikeforce? Maybe... What's the alternative? Fighting low-risk fights in the UFC instead?

Well it does pay a little bit better.

Rogers win over Arlovski did not impress me at all... Didn't see much technique there, IMO.

Sure, he has a puncher's chance, but I wouldn't predict the winner of a fight on a puncher's chance. I'd predict the winner on skills.


Is Fedor gonna pad himself with low-risk fights in Strikeforce? Maybe... What's the alternative? Fighting low-risk fights in the UFC instead?

I still don't have any respect for the total skills bankruptcy present in the UFC's HW division... Brock is one guy who beat an average fighter (Mir) which he outweighed by a middle school kid... Unless you just want to watch a brawl.

The only UFC HW fighter with the skills set to make an interesting MMA match for Fedor is Minotauro Nogueira, and that's IF big Nog can get back in his old fighting shape or better... IMO.

You do realize Fedor tooled Nog twice right? Heath Herring is a gatekeeper and fighting somebody 60 lbs lighter than you like he did against Couture is not impressive. If Fedor beat GSP everybody would say it's because he outweighed him by so much.

good preview.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFoOSqVUv-g


rogers can pound no doubt but if he thinks he can come forward throwing bombs at fedor and win this will be over quickly.

Instead of making 2 threads I have decided to put all of my picks here, vendetta you can seperate them if you fell this is unappropiate

Strikeforce- Brett Rogers vs. Fedor Emelianenko

Fedor Emelianenko 1st sub
Jake Shields dec
Gegard Mousasi 1st rnd tko
Fabricio Werdum 2nd sub
Jeff Curran dec



UFC 105 Couture vs Vera

Brandon Vera tko 2nd rnd
Denis Kang dec
Swick dec


Lots of good fights. I think Fedor will dominate and end up with an easy submission. I think Mousasi is the real deal and he will run through Sokoudjou just as easy as Babalu. Vera will knock out the "Natural" in a surprising standup war. Amazingly enough, Randy will not be able to take down Vera. Can't beat two free events with pay per view cards.

Really? So your not counting his wins over Randy or Heath in your book? Not only did Brock beat Mir the second time around but totally dominated him. Just like he dominated Heath Herring. And he is only gonna keep improving with more & more training, he has already proved that.

I think the same thing that happened to Mir would happen to Nog against Lesnar. He just has too much size, speed & strength. Add that with his wrestling background & he has the potiential to grind anyone out on the ground.

Carwin is also a good HW along with Cain. But you dont mention either of them. I think the UFC's talant pool in the HW division is getting deeper than your giving it credit for. Granted its pale in comparison to the MW or LWH division, but it is growing.

Yeah, I'm definitely not counting Heath and Randy... For Brock those fights were barely a challenge. Randy has zero presence now in the HW division IMO.

Unless Nog were to REALLY step it up, I agree... Nog would lose.

Cain was always an extremely one-dimensional fighter to me, hardly worth mentioning.

His boxing looked good against Rothwell, but that one fight won't sell me on him being a versatile MMA HW.

I haven't mentioned Carwin because he only has one notable win, IMO (Gonzaga)

Carwin and Cain are the two I'm keeping my eyes on, but I'm not sold yet... And big Nog if he gets back 100% or more.


Basically, yes, I agree it's growing. But I'm not going to be convinced that Fedor fighting elsewhere is ducking the "real challenges."

You do realize Fedor tooled Nog twice right? Heath Herring is a gatekeeper and fighting somebody 60 lbs lighter than you like he did against Couture is not impressive. If Fedor beat GSP everybody would say it's because he outweighed him by so much.

Yes I do realize that. What does that say about Fedor if one of the only fighters that would give him a challenge (the other being Brock) has already been defeated by him twice?

Once again, the UFC HW division is growing, but I don't buy all that talk about it being much better than Strikeforce.

fedor still has barnett, overeem, and werdum that he could fight outside of the UFC. Saying he will be facing better fighters in the UFC is simply not true as of right now.

The only fight I've seen of mousasi is his last fight with babalu, so maybe it was just lack of respect for babalu's standup(likely)...or its just his fighting style but mousasi seemed to be quite flatfooted to me. Didn't seem to use the balls of his feet well...his striking seemed to be so precise that it didn't matter but it made me think somebody with some good footwork might find an opening there.

He just made Musashi look like a fool in a kickboxing rules match. Mousasi's striking is the real deal. I don't have the ability to analyze it technically but the results speak volumes.

Yes I do realize that. What does that say about Fedor if one of the only fighters that would give him a challenge (the other being Brock) has already been defeated by him twice?

Once again, the UFC HW division is growing, but I don't buy all that talk about it being much better than Strikeforce.

That's what I'm saying is he's just so much better than all the HWs nobody will ever be happy no matter who he fights aside from Brock. I would like to see him go against Anderson Silva but that's not gonna happen outside the UFC either. Maybe next year we'll see him sign with them.

fedor still has barnett, overeem, and werdum that he could fight outside of the UFC. Saying he will be facing better fighters in the UFC is simply not true as of right now.

Sums up how I feel.

That's what I'm saying is he's just so much better than all the HWs nobody will ever be happy no matter who he fights aside from Brock. I would like to see him go against Anderson Silva but that's not gonna happen outside the UFC either. Maybe next year we'll see him sign with them.

Yeah, you're right.

I think only one HW has more than a "punchers chance" of beating Fedor and that is Lesnar. Flame away at me if you want. I have never been a huge fan of him but am slowly starting to come around. His MMA learning curve is impressing me!

The argument of which HW division is better is also stupid IMO. Strikeforce has Fedor,Werdum and Overeem. UFC has Brock,Nog,Mir,Cain,Kongo,soon to be Roy Nelson and others up and comers like Dos Antos,Berry, and Duffee.

I dont think any of them listed of above have a chance of beating Fedor other than Lesnar but i would still like to see Fedor/Werdum, Fedor/Mir, Fedor/Couture and of course Fedor/Lesnar

I think only one HW has more than a "punchers chance" of beating Fedor and that is Lesnar. Flame away at me if you want. I have never been a huge fan of him but am slowly starting to come around. His MMA learning curve is impressing me!

The argument of which HW division is better is also stupid IMO. Strikeforce has Fedor,Werdum and Overeem. UFC has Brock,Nog,Mir,Cain,Kongo,soon to be Roy Nelson and others up and comers like Dos Antos,Berry, and Duffee.

I dont think any of them listed of above have a chance of beating Fedor other than Lesnar but i would still like to see Fedor/Werdum, Fedor/Mir, Fedor/Couture and of course Fedor/Lesnar

when you count in total there might be more top level fighters in the ufc but out of that list the only one that has a chance at Fedor is Brock. Outside of the UFC i would say Overeem and Barnett have a good chance of beating Fedor. Other then that i see him mowing through everyone else.

But give it a year or two and i think the vast majority of top level heavyweights will be in the UFC like you were hinting at.

Fedor would dismantle Barnett and Fedor has beaten powerful strikers such as Overeem before. Cropcop and Arlovski...

IMO Brock is the only guy with a legit chance to beat Fedor...chances may be small but still the only one with a real chance

Really? So your not counting his wins over Randy or Heath in your book? Not only did Brock beat Mir the second time around but totally dominated him. Just like he dominated Heath Herring. And he is only gonna keep improving with more & more training, he has already proved that.

I think the same thing that happened to Mir would happen to Nog against Lesnar. He just has too much size, speed & strength. Add that with his wrestling background & he has the potiential to grind anyone out on the ground.

Carwin is also a good HW along with Cain. But you dont mention either of them. I think the UFC's talant pool in the HW division is getting deeper than your giving it credit for. Granted its pale in comparison to the MW or LWH division, but it is growing.

dude, brock sucks

he is a bully with good wrestling, his boxing sucks, kick boxing sucks, his bjj sucks, his wrestling is the only SKILL set he has

other than his restricted amount of martial arts skill that he has when you pair good wrestling with a huge size/strength advantage then you will have brock

any huge wrestler can beat any ufc fighter if given the right circumstances, like brock has

what i mean is that brock cuts to 265 so he walks around right at 300 and randy fought him at 220 lbs...... thats a 80 pound advantage in weight and when you put in a strength advantage as well then all the odds are against randy

i fight at 170 and if i were to fight anyone that was 80lbs less than me then my opponent would be 90lbs!!! im not trying to sound cocky but i dont care who you are or what you're good at, there is nobody in the world thats 90lbs that can beat me....

i could use wrestling only to "hold" my opponent on the ground and have knowledge of sub defense and have strength advantage to pull out of any sub attempts the 90lb guy would try, also i would smother him so he wouldnt have any space for any sub attempts and i could just sit there on top of the 90 pounder and ride out a decision just like brock did with heath herring right???

or i could use my huge size/strength/reach advantage against the 90 ponder and punch the much smaller guy and with the amount of power i can generate on the much smaller opponent i could tko the 90 pounder like brock did randy right??? whats sad is randy got up every time brock had him down, and randy had brock pinned against the cage several times, that would be like a 90 pound guy getting up from me or a 90 pound guy holding me against the fence..... im sorry but thats not gonna happen

or maybe i could use my wrestling again and smother the 90 pounder so he couldnt move and hold him there like a big brother holding down his little brother and i could hit him while i hold him and get the ref to call it like brock did mir right???

if you think brock is soo good then i must be the best 170lb fighter ever cuz i can fuck up any 90 pounder you put in front of me

brock sucks

Brock has very good wrestling and he hits like a truck both on the feet and the ground. Which is all you need to dominate any heavyweight division that doesn't have Fedor in it.

Brock has very good wrestling and he hits like a truck both on the feet and the ground. Which is all you need to dominate any heavyweight division that doesn't have Fedor in it.

i think brocks a solid fighter i love watching his fights but i can guarantee that fedor will knock him out really fast if u look at lesnar vs mir second fight mir hit him with a knee while in a clinch that rocked lesnar know imagine fedor hits him once heel curl up on the cage fedor will put him away with a couple more

dude, brock sucks

Had to chime in on this comment..

Brock is the current UFC Heavyweight champion, he appears to only get better with each fight. Is bigger and more athletic then any other Heavyweight MMA fighter in MMA. He hits hard, his wrestling is top notch, he is intense, and appears to be maturing as a MMA fighter. He's has now learned to use his weight and strength to nullify smaller skilled submission fighters. He laid on Mir and shut him down in the their last fight. Honestly, who's going to beat this monster?

Brock Lesnar is the real deal and is the current undisputed UFC HW champ and simply does not suck.. To say otherwise is pure lunacy.

Skill wise Brock is not a very good fighter; but in natural talent, power, strength, athleticism, size he is FAR above what enyone else has and it works very well for him fighting in a cage.

Had to chime in on this comment..

Brock is the current UFC Heavyweight champion, he appears to only get better with each fight. Is bigger and more athletic then any other Heavyweight MMA fighter in MMA. He hits hard, his wrestling is top notch, he is intense, and appears to be maturing as a MMA fighter. He's has now learned to use his weight and strength to nullify smaller skilled submission fighters. He laid on Mir and shut him down in the their last fight. Honestly, who's going to beat this monster?

Brock Lesnar is the real deal and is the current undisputed UFC HW champ and simply does not suck.. To say otherwise is pure lunacy.

you kinda proved my point as to why he sucks

brock is the current champion, cuz the heavyweight division isn't stacked like other weight classes

brock is like matt hughes, hughes was such a badass when he was the biggest welterweight and strongest welterweight...... but when the welterweight division started getting stacked with bigger, stronger, more skilled fighters hughes looses drops out of existence

this will more than likely happen to brock, like hughes i see brock not learning anymore skills and his one dimensional style will fade from existence

dude, brock sucks

he is a bully with good wrestling, his boxing sucks, kick boxing sucks, his bjj sucks, his wrestling is the only SKILL set he has

other than his restricted amount of martial arts skill that he has when you pair good wrestling with a huge size/strength advantage then you will have brock

any huge wrestler can beat any ufc fighter if given the right circumstances, like brock has

what i mean is that brock cuts to 265 so he walks around right at 300 and randy fought him at 220 lbs...... thats a 80 pound advantage in weight and when you put in a strength advantage as well then all the odds are against randy

i fight at 170 and if i were to fight anyone that was 80lbs less than me then my opponent would be 90lbs!!! im not trying to sound cocky but i dont care who you are or what you're good at, there is nobody in the world thats 90lbs that can beat me....

i could use wrestling only to "hold" my opponent on the ground and have knowledge of sub defense and have strength advantage to pull out of any sub attempts the 90lb guy would try, also i would smother him so he wouldnt have any space for any sub attempts and i could just sit there on top of the 90 pounder and ride out a decision just like brock did with heath herring right???

or i could use my huge size/strength/reach advantage against the 90 ponder and punch the much smaller guy and with the amount of power i can generate on the much smaller opponent i could tko the 90 pounder like brock did randy right??? whats sad is randy got up every time brock had him down, and randy had brock pinned against the cage several times, that would be like a 90 pound guy getting up from me or a 90 pound guy holding me against the fence..... im sorry but thats not gonna happen

or maybe i could use my wrestling again and smother the 90 pounder so he couldnt move and hold him there like a big brother holding down his little brother and i could hit him while i hold him and get the ref to call it like brock did mir right???

if you think brock is soo good then i must be the best 170lb fighter ever cuz i can fuck up any 90 pounder you put in front of me

brock sucks


you sir are an idiot! Fedor has beaten many fighters that dwarf him in size! So has Gracie... Also Fedor doesnt have great boxing skills or KB skills lol. He is a precise triker but doesnt have technical boxing skill or KB skills lol. Size means alot but not if you dont have skill. Brock has heavy heavy hands. He has Knocked every fighter down that he has faced. He shattered HH orbital bone with an arm punch. Knocked Randy down with a glancing shot and knocked mir down 3 times....

He has amazing wrestling,heavy hands, strength, and freakish speed/athleticism/agility for a man his size. He is learning the game extremely fast. The last fight against Mir he showed patience,poise, and a gameplan. Had great wrist control and neutralized one of the best HW JJ guys in the game. He smashed his face into oblivion. People talk about how the Kneee rocked him...who cares? It was a good shot and brock stayed calm and cool and took him down...sign of a smart composed fighter.

I have a friend that weighs barely over 100lbs and id like to see you use your wrestling to hold him down? Size and strength can be overcome by skill. But size,speed,strength,wrestling, and heavy hands is hard to overcome. Especially when that fighter is learning sub defense and has a great BJJ coach....

on a sidenote, i watched the weigh in for the strikeforce card just now and rogers looked scared to me. He looked away first and when he did had a nervous/scared look on his face....fedor will crush another can. Rogers claims to knock him out in under 2 1/2 minutes and if the fight does hi the ground that fedor wont be able to control himon the ground lol. How many other fighters have thought the exact same thing lol

Robbie and Vendetta, your posts about Brock are spot on IMO.

Has Brock grown in martial arts ability? Sure.

Are his wins more indicative, however, of the lack of top contenders in the UFC HW division than his growth? Absolutely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFoOSqVUv-g

6:39 in the background :eek:

you sir are an idiot! Fedor has beaten many fighters that dwarf him in size! So has Gracie... Also Fedor doesnt have great boxing skills or KB skills lol. He is a precise triker but doesnt have technical boxing skill or KB skills lol. Size means alot but not if you dont have skill. Brock has heavy heavy hands. He has Knocked every fighter down that he has faced. He shattered HH orbital bone with an arm punch. Knocked Randy down with a glancing shot and knocked mir down 3 times....

He has amazing wrestling,heavy hands, strength, and freakish speed/athleticism/agility for a man his size. He is learning the game extremely fast. The last fight against Mir he showed patience,poise, and a gameplan. Had great wrist control and neutralized one of the best HW JJ guys in the game. He smashed his face into oblivion. People talk about how the Kneee rocked him...who cares? It was a good shot and brock stayed calm and cool and took him down...sign of a smart composed fighter.

I have a friend that weighs barely over 100lbs and id like to see you use your wrestling to hold him down? Size and strength can be overcome by skill. But size,speed,strength,wrestling, and heavy hands is hard to overcome. Especially when that fighter is learning sub defense and has a great BJJ coach....

please dont tell me we have a jibby jr. in here....

you also kinda proved my point as to why brock sucks

fedor's striking is top notch, and specifically for mma
brocks striking sucks

fedor's takedowns are not limited, and has wrestling, judo, greco, all kinds of takedowns....... when he goes for a takedown he has like a 100% success ratio
brocks takedowns are good, but is limited to one style

fedor's ground and pound is second to none, very vicious and damaging

brocks ground and pound is weak because he knows his bjj skills aren't where they should be and is scared of getting tapped out again so his ground and pound is limited cuz he has to smother his opponents make zero space for sub attempts which is good for him so he wont get submitted again but at the same time he has no room for powerful shots and vicious ground and pound..... he has to hold you soo close and hit you with a punch 2 inches from your face and hit you 1,000 times for it to cause any damage

fedor's submissions are legendary

brock dosen't know what a submission is much less how to do one, i would love to see him take someones back and set in a rear naked choke or catch and arm bar..... this will never happen cuz he will never have submissions skills

but we shouldn't be talking about a living legend and compare him to brock, they shouldnt even be in the same sentence


you said brock has knocked down every fighter he has faced, knocked randy down with a glancing shot and broke heath herrings orbital bone with an arm punch

like i said and you didnt hear me, brock is 300lbs and randy is a 205lb fighter, randy doesn't cut weight at heavyweight and only weighs in at 220..... its safe to say brock is a 300lb muscle monster and randy is a 205lb fighter so with this huge size/power/strength advantage how could he not knock every other fighter down? how could he not break heaths orbital bone? how could he not be able to hold his opponent down against their will?

like i said, brock has a 80lb advantage, i fight at 170 and if i were to have an opponent 80lbs less than me then i would be fighting at 90lb man

how could i not break his orbital bone if i hit him? how could i not be able to knock a 90lb man down? how could i not be able to hold a 90lb man against his will???

hell, my 14yr old nephew could probably do all this, does that mean you are gonna become a fan of my little nephew and cheer him on???

you sir are an idiot! Fedor has beaten many fighters that dwarf him in size! So has Gracie... Also Fedor doesnt have great boxing skills or KB skills lol. He is a precise triker but doesnt have technical boxing skill or KB skills lol. Size means alot but not if you dont have skill. Brock has heavy heavy hands. He has Knocked every fighter down that he has faced. He shattered HH orbital bone with an arm punch. Knocked Randy down with a glancing shot and knocked mir down 3 times....

He has amazing wrestling,heavy hands, strength, and freakish speed/athleticism/agility for a man his size. He is learning the game extremely fast. The last fight against Mir he showed patience,poise, and a gameplan. Had great wrist control and neutralized one of the best HW JJ guys in the game. He smashed his face into oblivion. People talk about how the Kneee rocked him...who cares? It was a good shot and brock stayed calm and cool and took him down...sign of a smart composed fighter.

I have a friend that weighs barely over 100lbs and id like to see you use your wrestling to hold him down? Size and strength can be overcome by skill. But size,speed,strength,wrestling, and heavy hands is hard to overcome. Especially when that fighter is learning sub defense and has a great BJJ coach....

Well said, no Jibby Jr. here, just simply well said.. I agree with your assessment of Brock Lesnar 100%.

Brock Lesnar would probably still have trouble beating a guy like Fedor I would think, and or a guy like Werdum just because of their submission skills. I don't see either of those guys bowing out like Mir did on the ground. Fedor has shown he can submit good wrestlers in the past, out strike quality strikers, etc.. Werdum has incredible skills on the ground and is big. However, Fedor is probably the only guy right now that I would say has a legit chance of beating Brock Lesnar. All the upcoming HW's like Cain Val, Shane Carwin are really just smaller versions of Brock himself and should come up short in a future match up... I don't see anyone right now worthy of taking out Brock Lesnar in the UFC, he may be champion for a while..

Well said, no Jibby Jr. here, just simply well said.. I agree with your assessment of Brock Lesnar 100%.

Brock Lesnar would probably still have trouble beating a guy like Fedor I would think, and or a guy like Werdum just because of their submission skills. I don't see either of those guys bowing out like Mir did on the ground. Fedor has shown he can submit good wrestlers in the past, out strike quality strikers, etc.. Werdum has incredible skills on the ground and is big. However, Fedor is probably the only guy right now that I would say has a legit chance of beating Brock Lesnar. All the upcoming HW's like Cain Val, Shane Carwin are really just smaller versions of Brock himself and should come up short in a future match up... I don't see anyone right now worthy of taking out Brock Lesnar in the UFC, he may be champion for a while..

would brock beat cain velasquez??? probably but if so it would be a very tough fight for brock

on the other hand

since brock walks around at almost 300lbs and cuts to make the 265lb limit and cain walks around at 235lbs

IF, cain was the same size cain would destroy brock simply because cain's mma skill is 1000x more technical and advanced than brock's

so would brock beat cain, well like i said probably but cain would make a war out of it,.......and if cain were brocks size and brock was cains size, then cain would destroy brock very easily..... hell, if they were the same size cain would destroy brock much less put the size/strength advantage on cains side, cain would kill brock

look at it this way,

tito ortiz is a 205lb wrestler/ground and pound
sean sherk is a 155lb wrestler/ ground and pound

50 pound difference and if they fought, tito would maul sherk, why? cuz there is a freaking 50 pound difference, but if they were both 205lbs i believe sherk would maul tito for 5 rounds like he did florian back at ufc 64

this is the same way brock will be reign champ for a long time in a division where the talent pool is limited

I always thought 265lb was good for heavyweight but Lesanr has changed that for me. I think there needs to be a 240lb cap then superheavyweight past that.

please dont tell me we have a jibby jr. in here....

you also kinda proved my point as to why brock sucks

fedor's striking is top notch, and specifically for mma
brocks striking sucks

fedor's takedowns are not limited, and has wrestling, judo, greco, all kinds of takedowns....... when he goes for a takedown he has like a 100% success ratio
brocks takedowns are good, but is limited to one style

fedor's ground and pound is second to none, very vicious and damaging

brocks ground and pound is weak because he knows his bjj skills aren't where they should be and is scared of getting tapped out again so his ground and pound is limited cuz he has to smother his opponents make zero space for sub attempts which is good for him so he wont get submitted again but at the same time he has no room for powerful shots and vicious ground and pound..... he has to hold you soo close and hit you with a punch 2 inches from your face and hit you 1,000 times for it to cause any damage

fedor's submissions are legendary

brock dosen't know what a submission is much less how to do one, i would love to see him take someones back and set in a rear naked choke or catch and arm bar..... this will never happen cuz he will never have submissions skills

but we shouldn't be talking about a living legend and compare him to brock, they shouldnt even be in the same sentence


you said brock has knocked down every fighter he has faced, knocked randy down with a glancing shot and broke heath herrings orbital bone with an arm punch

like i said and you didnt hear me, brock is 300lbs and randy is a 205lb fighter, randy doesn't cut weight at heavyweight and only weighs in at 220..... its safe to say brock is a 300lb muscle monster and randy is a 205lb fighter so with this huge size/power/strength advantage how could he not knock every other fighter down? how could he not break heaths orbital bone? how could he not be able to hold his opponent down against their will?

like i said, brock has a 80lb advantage, i fight at 170 and if i were to have an opponent 80lbs less than me then i would be fighting at 90lb man

how could i not break his orbital bone if i hit him? how could i not be able to knock a 90lb man down? how could i not be able to hold a 90lb man against his will???

hell, my 14yr old nephew could probably do all this, does that mean you are gonna become a fan of my little nephew and cheer him on???


Why are you comparing every aspect of Brocks game to Fedors? O never claimed he was close to Fedors overall skill level. What i said is People like Fedor,Gracie,Penn and Couture have all beaten much larger opponents. I was praising Fedors skill if anything...Only thing I compared them on was striking becasue Fedor isnt a KickBoxer like you knocked Brock for not being and isnt an Elite striker like you knocked Brock for being. Bas said it last night at the weigh ins, Fedors striking isnt technical at all but percise and effective.

How did i prove your point? Your saying brock is only a champ cuz he is big and strong! Will i give examples of many fighters have beat people with significant weight disadvantages. Size and strenth can be nullified with skill. Why didnt the legend couture nullify his size like he did Tim Sylvias, or Gonzaga's or other HW's he has fought? Brock is more than size and strength and good wrestling as you like to say. The man is the new generation of HW. He is good for the sport, now maybe mma will stop losing big talented guys to NFL and WWE after seeing his success in this sport.

Lesnar will never be known for a submission fighter nothing wrong with that. Lots of greats in this sport arent BJJ fighters, Sherk,Ortiz,Liddell, etc. His style is effective and works, he is learning the ground game and proved it against Mir. Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros awarded Lesnar a purple belt in BJJ, so i guess you know more about BJJ then him. Lesnar doesnt have to win by submission if GNP works for him.

Another news flash for ya strength doesnt equate to punching power. Any meat head in a gym cant go out and crush people orbital bone with an arm punch. Im a little over 200lbs and have been hit by guys that can bench a Ford Festiva and never had my orbital bone crushed. Lesnar is a sloppy striker i never denied that but to say his striking isnt effective is foolish.


Weak, GNP? lol. Yea, Mir's face looked like weak GNP is what casued the ref to stop the fight. Lesnar casued more damage in side control than alot of fighter could cause in mount. He pummeled Mir plain and simple.

Im not trying t sound like a huge Lesnar nuthugger becasue i a not. Just hate when i hear people say Lesnar is only good becasue of his strength/weight advantage. Its a moronic statement....also Brock weighs in around 280 for a fight, has said himself he cuts about 15 lbs.

Like i said i have a friend who has been doing judo and BJJ since he was a kid and ive seen plenty of bigger guys think they could hold him down, he weight 1150-120 lbs tops....

Sorry for the grammar lol, little intoxicated here....

would brock beat cain velasquez??? probably but if so it would be a very tough fight for brock

on the other hand

since brock walks around at almost 300lbs and cuts to make the 265lb limit and cain walks around at 235lbs

IF, cain was the same size cain would destroy brock simply because cain's mma skill is 1000x more technical and advanced than brock's

so would brock beat cain, well like i said probably but cain would make a war out of it,.......and if cain were brocks size and brock was cains size, then cain would destroy brock very easily..... hell, if they were the same size cain would destroy brock much less put the size/strength advantage on cains side, cain would kill brock

look at it this way,

tito ortiz is a 205lb wrestler/ground and pound
sean sherk is a 155lb wrestler/ ground and pound

50 pound difference and if they fought, tito would maul sherk, why? cuz there is a freaking 50 pound difference, but if they were both 205lbs i believe sherk would maul tito for 5 rounds like he did florian back at ufc 64

this is the same way brock will be reign champ for a long time in a division where the talent pool is limited

Well, until the UFC makes a super HW division it appears Brock Lesnar will always have a weight, size, speed and strength advantage over 99% of his opponents.

Still, Lesnar, despite all his unrefined deficiencies in technique with his MMA skills is stll very athletic and explosive in the cage. He lacks the experience but makes up for it big time with his physical atributes and back ground in wrestling. A freak of nature almost for that size.. I'm sure we can all agree to that.:lurk:

Not so sure it's all about a weak UFC HW division..

If Brock Lesnar has a weakness that is kinda untested to this point it maybe his endurance and cardio in fights.. He's a big dude and should get tired in fights, infact, if I recall he started to gas and breath like a dog against Randy in their fight..

And people wonder why the MMA threads dried up around here....

And people wonder why the MMA threads dried up around here....

They dry up because I am not posting on them BIG MIKE.. Fact of the matter is I'm no longer serving up pure MMA knowledge and facts for your reading enjoyment. MMA videos, links and annoying Sherdog records to entertain you bitches..

Seriously speaking though, too many people want to shoot down others rather then intellegently discuss the reasons why and why not you agree or disagree with certain comments..Mindless insults are then hurrled and posted all the time towards one another, and people get pissed. It gets old after a while and I bailed for that reason, I couldn't take the extreme heat anymore so I had to get out of the fire.

Time has passed, I am bored, and I thought I would chime again and try my luck one more gain with you clowns as I still remain one of the biggest MMA fans on this forum.. I have faith in some of you and respect your MMA knowledge. I guess you can say I hoping I will not recieve another ruthless beat down in the near future on these MMA threads.. I surely don't need to recieve anymore brownie point deductions either from my good pal Vendetta either..

I got an idea fellas, try and complement each other once in a while rather then insult as it makes some feel all warm and fuzzy inside:hump:


LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS CBS MMA SPECIAL TONIGHT.. FEDOR IS BACK AND IT'S FREE!!!

Only thing I compared them on was striking becasue Fedor isnt a KickBoxer like you knocked Brock for not being and isnt an Elite striker like you knocked Brock for being. Bas said it last night at the weigh ins, Fedors striking isnt technical at all but percise and effective.

How did i prove your point? Your saying brock is only a champ cuz he is big and strong! Will i give examples of many fighters have beat people with significant weight disadvantages. Size and strenth can be nullified with skill. Why didnt the legend couture nullify his size like he did Tim Sylvias, or Gonzaga's or other HW's he has fought? Brock is more than size and strength and good wrestling as you like to say.

Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros awarded Lesnar a purple belt in BJJ, so i guess you know more about BJJ then him.

#1....... fedor's striking isn't technical??? how can his striking be so precise, accurate, powerful, damaging, fight ending, superior to 99% of other heavyweights in the world..... but fedor's striking isnt technical???

whats makes something technical?

i would say precision, accuracy, powerful, damaging, and fight ending which is fedors striking

now is his stance the same as a traditional boxer or kickboxer??? no, fedor's striking maybe unorthodox compared to traditional boxing styles but is specific for mma

unorthodox yes but saying fedors striking is not technical is the stupidest thing i have ever heard

also saying fedors striking isnt elite level is also stupid for you to say, he out struck cro cop when cro cop was in his prime and knocking everyone out, K-1 and in PRIDE and fedor made cro cop back peddle most of the fight and beat him at his own game which is striking...... how could fedor not be an elite striker??? thats stupidity

#2....... size and strength can be nullified with skill, this is somewhat true, but when someone with a size and strength advantage has a wrestling background then that in itself can nullify skill

put brock against an elite striker, he would take them down and hold them on the ground...... brock could have zero striking experience and beat a K-1 level striker cuz when you pair wrestling with a strength/size advantage that would nullify skill

also against submission fighters, he can nullify mir's ground game by being stronger/bigger and holding on so close and tight that mir cant move to work submissions, this also nullifies technique

or against other wrestlers, he can simply out wrestle them not cuz his technique is superior but cuz his size/strength advantage, once again this nullifies skill

#3....... you were being sarcastic saying i know more then brock about bjj that is currently ranked a purple belt

well yes i do, i am a black belt in bjj under buddy clinton, who is a black belt under royce gracie and also travis lutter so unlike most jibby juniors in here i have not been watching this but actually doing this since probably before you knew what UFC ever was, i remember before the ultimate fighter season 1 came on tv 99% of people didnt know what vale tudo or mma was and now everybody does thanks to that tv show

its good that the show brought attention to the sport and now mma is common knowledge and business is booming. but, it also breeds retards that think stuff like fedor's striking itsnt technical.....

I can't believe so many people are picking Mayhem to beat Shields.

As far as the argument, technical = technique. I'm sure there is technique involved in his striking style. Just because he's unorthodox compared to Rutten's kickboxing or Freddy Roach's boxing doesn't make it not technical. I would think that a lack of technique would lead to somebody who brawls, just throws strikes with reckless abandon, and that's certainly not Fedor. Unorthodox, yes... Non-technical, I wouldn't say so.

Seriously speaking though, too many people want to shoot down others rather then intellegently discuss the reasons why and why not you agree or disagree with certain comments..Mindless insults are then hurrled and posted all the time towards one another, and people get pissed. It gets old after a while and I bailed for that reason, I couldn't take the extreme heat anymore so I had to get out of the fire.

There is no intelligent discussion when some people in here are involved, namely you and LS6427.

Lesnar will never be known for a submission fighter nothing wrong with that. Lots of greats in this sport arent BJJ fighters, Sherk,Ortiz,Liddell, etc. His style is effective and works, he is learning the ground game and proved it against Mir. Rodrigo "Comprido" Medeiros awarded Lesnar a purple belt in BJJ, so i guess you know more about BJJ then him. Lesnar doesnt have to win by submission if GNP works for him.

Sorry, have to stop right here.

And this will be a PERFECT example how the growth of Lensar's mma skills (I agree they are growing) get exaggerated:



"Comprido," a BJJ coach of Lesnar's, said ONCE to an interviewer (with a PR bias in Lesnar's favor, an overstatement I'm sure) that he felt that Brock was probably at a purple belt level.

Lesnar does not have a purple belt in BJJ... As part of his hodge-podge of MMA training, there is someone coaching him in BJJ and this someone makes a nice compliment about Brock in an interview...

HUGE difference from being awarded a belt...

Fuck, if he awards purple belts in less than two years, then the belts would be bullshit McDojo belts, lol.

As of right now, Brock's ONLY legitimate martial arts experience is his collegiate wrestling... That's it.

Not even anything on the international level like are the backgrounds of many of MMA's notable grapplers, Fedor's Olympic Judo achievements or Randy's/Dan Henderson's Olympic Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling achievements for example.



Brock is being exposed to SOME BJJ as part of his mma training, but he IS NOT developing ANY expertise in BJJ whatsoever.

lol, Brock wouldn't even fit in a gi for that matter.

Fedor has plenty of boxing technique. The big difference is he was taught an Eastern European style of boxing not an American style. If you see the HD replay of the Arlovski fight, you can see him rolling his shoulder and slipping the punches. If Arlovski was landing those punches, Fedor's face would've looked pretty rough. He uses his punches to open up submissions not to get a KO where as his brother goes for the KO. He just has a different fight mentality than most people.

Fedor has plenty of boxing technique. The big difference is he was taught an Eastern European style of boxing not an American style. If you see the HD replay of the Arlovski fight, you can see him rolling his shoulder and slipping the punches. If Arlovski was landing those punches, Fedor's face would've looked pretty rough. He uses his punches to open up submissions not to get a KO where as his brother goes for the KO. He just has a different fight mentality than most people.

For someone who spent his whole pre-mma life doing the complete opposite of striking, he does pretty damn well with his boxing and kickboxing...

Fuck, what more do people expect? I can't believe he strikes as good as he does for his elite level of grappling.

For someone who spent his whole pre-mma life doing the complete opposite of striking, he does pretty damn well with his boxing and kickboxing...

Fuck, what more do people expect? I can't believe he strikes as good as he does for his elite level of grappling.

x2, and the only time i have seen him really get out struck was against Andrei, which is funny because he knocked Andrei out.

x2, and the only time i have seen him really get out struck was against Andrei, which is funny because he knocked Andrei out.

hahaha which furthers the "funny" because almost all of his wins are by submission! lol :bang:

Ya the guy is crazy good, another thing to look at is his submission win over Tim Sylvia who is/was at that time one of the best strikers in the HW division. The reason Fedor got that sub was because he crushed Tim when they were standing.

I see his style of striking similar to Machida's or GSP because the way he uses it he can put you on your back any time after he strikes or when the opponent strikes.

Right now the argument in the hw division comes down to technique vs. pure size and brute strength.

but if you look at the top p4p fighters in the world that have dominated there divisions.....they are all students of technique and are extremely well rounded- Anderson Silva,GSP,Fedor,Machida,Penn etc

Wow... I had respect for Rogers until the end of the fight.

He's like a big Rampage... Fucking sore loser dumbass...

He thinks he somehow should have had that fight, instead of humbly accepting that Fedor was the better fighter that fight.

"If I hadn't doubted myself... Man... I would have thrown him man."

lol, how many people can't say the same after their loss? He needs to grow the fuck up, and he obviously needed this loss. What would be best is for Rogers to lose his next fight too so he can mature some more and understand how hard it is for a fighter to be on Fedor's level, to win so many fights, and how important it is for fighters to respect each other's skills.

Wow... I had respect for Rogers until the end of the fight.

He's like a big Rampage... Fucking sore loser dumbass...

He thinks he somehow should have had that fight, instead of humbly accepting that Fedor was the better fighter that fight.

"If I hadn't doubted myself... Man... I would have thrown him man."

lol, how many people can't say the same after their loss? He needs to grow the fuck up, and he obviously needed this loss. What would be best is for Rogers to lose his next fight to so he can mature some more and understand how hard it is for a fighter to be on Fedor's level, to win so many fights, and how important it is for fighters to respect each other's skills.

I agree

Sokoudjou tested Mousasi's stand up, but damn Mousasi is just a beast. He looked more awake this time too, not bored out of his fucking mind.

Good fights!

Rogers was scared that 2nd round for some reason. He was backing off and backing off and Fedor just beat him to the punch, literally. Rogers is insanely strong and with a few more fights under his belt he will be damn good but needs to mature a lot.

another impressive win by fedor.


if rogers wouldve been more aggressive he wouldve just been knocked out sooner. fedor would clean house if he was in the UFC. enough nonsense about him ducking fighters and he was in trouble in certain fights. all nonsense. when it looks like hes in trouble is when hes the most dangerous. the guy can take a punch and give it back more. if he cant knock you out he'll submit you.

Rogers was scared that 2nd round for some reason. He was backing off and backing off and Fedor just beat him to the punch, literally. Rogers is insanely strong and with a few more fights under his belt he will be damn good but needs to mature a lot.

Remember that later in the first round, he did get a good taste of one of Fedor's punches. Then, as he was stumbling forward, Fedor followed it Aikido-style into a shoulder throw.

It made him careful.

"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."

Fedor, however, like when he was suplexed by Randleman, is the most stoic fighter I have ever seen in my life...

Nothing phases that man, I mean, his nose was JACKED UP BAD.

Fedor has experience fighting some of the best strikers in the world, K-1 strikers like Mark Hunt and Cro Cop, and others.

Rogers brawling style, if you can call it a style, was not difficult to defeat... Roger's weight and reach were the only obstacles IMO. The price of learning was taking a jab from a 270 lb man, but he figured out Roger's cards very easily all things considered.

Yea, I think when Rogers got that taste at the end of the first round it really was a wake up call. He kept leaving his hands down and was inviting Fedor to just open season on him.

However, Rogers did have some good points. When he had Fedor on the ground near the cage and just started to wail away it was surprising that Fedor just took it. He has a lot of learning to do and he looked awkward on the ground at times too.

Overall, it was a good fight but Fedor was just way too much for such an inexperienced Rogers.

Yea, I think when Rogers got that taste at the end of the first round it really was a wake up call. He kept leaving his hands down and was inviting Fedor to just open season on him.

However, Rogers did have some good points. When he had Fedor on the ground near the cage and just started to wail away it was surprising that Fedor just took it. He has a lot of learning to do and he looked awkward on the ground at times too.

Overall, it was a good fight but Fedor was just way too much for such an inexperienced Rogers.

Yeah, Rogers threw 50 lbs. of weight on Fedor, but Fedor threw 52 lbs. of experience on Rogers, in a sense.

So, it was not an easy fight for Fedor, but Fedor had just enough to pull the win in spectacular fashion... Fedor really makes his fans nervous at times, and he gets himself in HAIRY situations.

fedor would knock lesnar TFO. :D

Fedor's quickness won this fight, as usual. How often do you see a counter cross that lands before the strike that it's countering lands? Almost never. The strongest part of Fedor's game standing is his speed.

Fedor's quickness won this fight, as usual. How often do you see a counter cross that lands before the strike that it's countering lands? Almost never. The strongest part of Fedor's game standing is his speed.

Which is actually a Jeet Kune Do philosophy, for trivia's sake.

A counter strike occuring simultaneously with the incoming strike, the counter strike hitting first (concepts some believe were rooted in Escrima, fencing, etc.) ... VS other striking arts curricula, whose counters usually follow blocks or evasions.

At any rate, to develop that kind of technique, as you mentioned, requires TREMENDOUS speed.

That was a great card all around.

Werdum vs. Bigfoot- Great striking by bigfoot but as everyone predicted Werdum was better on the ground and when he closed the distance and got inside he got bigfoot with some big shots.

Sokodju vs Mousasi- Sok does the same thing we say in his loses....starts out strong than fades and loses, great win by mousasi he really needs to fight the LHW in the ufc.

Shields vs Miller- Shields was the better grappler and passed Millers guard like nothing...but Miller showed great defense and was a few seconds away from sinking in that RNC

Fedor vs. Rogers- Fedor looked a bit uncomfortable against the cage especially in the clinch were he is so good he just needs to get more fights under his belt in the cage...when I saw him cut it reminded me of the Fujita fight so I wasnt worried, but in the end he always finds ways to win in spectacular fashion. That big overhand he landed on Rogers towards the end of the first round seemed to make Rogers more defensive.

Great card for strikeforces first CBS show......the only thing that sucked was that they did not show the entrances for Rogers/Fedor

Those were some good fights. Of course I enjoyed Fedor dismantling Rogers the most, even if the beginning had me concerned, but the Miller vs Shields fight was a great fight. Shields dominated the fight but he almost bought it with the rear naked choke at the end round three. I hope this continues because I hate spending the money for pay per view to see some shitty fights with the occasional good bout.

Fedor beats another loser....great.

Why is he ducking the UFC?????????

Fedor = scared little pussy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6X1TdAp_hs

As simple as it gets.........Fedor is not the best...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuy2oNDO9LU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_p3-4r_nM&feature=related

[b]Where is Fedor....why isn't he disputing everything Dana is saying????? Because its true. He's a scared little Russian trying to protect his half ass record of beating a bunch of has-beens.

Fedor is scared to fight the best in the UFC....especially Brock.......PERIOD.

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Fedor beats another loser....great.

Why is he ducking the UFC?????????

Fedor = scared little pussy

As simple as it gets.........Fedor is not the best...........

[b]Where is Fedor....why isn't he disputing everything Dana is saying????? Because its true. He's a scared little Russian trying to protect his half ass record of beating a bunch of has-beens.

Fedor is scared to fight the best in the UFC....especially Brock.......PERIOD.

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- Fedor got ruffed up a little bit in that fight. Fedors punches come very fast and hard, and that well timed right of his dropped the big black man in a heep of crap.. Chalk another win up for Fedor.

- Jake Shields I thought lost that fight, he has 0 stand up skills in this one and could only hold down Mayhem with his wrestling abilities. On the flip card Mayhem could not stop Shields from taking him down. I like Miller, give him another shot and Shields and he probably wins.

- Sokodju really needs to find another profession, his mind is not that of a fighter..I see quit in him in alot of his fights if things aren't going his way.. He completely currled up and gave up in this fight. I hate seeing that...

Fedor beats another loser....great.

Why is he ducking the UFC?????????

Fedor = scared little pussy

As simple as it gets.........Fedor is not the best...........


[b]Where is Fedor....why isn't he disputing everything Dana is saying????? Because its true. He's a scared little Russian trying to protect his half ass record of beating a bunch of has-beens.

Fedor is scared to fight the best in the UFC....especially Brock.......PERIOD.

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You are a pea-brained fool, if you actually believe the shit that you are typing. Fedor has taken on the best in the world not only in MMA where his record is 31-1, but also in Sambo where he has won multiple gold medals in Russian and world wide competitions. Brock (3-1) is only the latest phenomenom, Fedor has been kicking ass since 1997. You must be a one of those 15 year old WWE fans.

Fedor's quickness won this fight, as usual. How often do you see a counter cross that lands before the strike that it's countering lands? Almost never. The strongest part of Fedor's game standing is his speed.

Fedor also places and times his punches very well, and the power in his looping punches are absolutely devestating. He throws everything into those haymakers. His strong punches have incredible pin point acuracy.. Tim Silva, Orlovski and this fight shows that..

The strongest part of his game standing is his timing, power and then speed..

Yea, I think when Rogers got that taste at the end of the first round it really was a wake up call. He kept leaving his hands down and was inviting Fedor to just open season on him.

However, Rogers did have some good points. When he had Fedor on the ground near the cage and just started to wail away it was surprising that Fedor just took it. He has a lot of learning to do and he looked awkward on the ground at times too.

Overall, it was a good fight but Fedor was just way too much for such an inexperienced Rogers.

I wouldn't exactly call Rogers inexperienced, the guy is 10-1. Fedor is just undisputably, the best. His age will do him in like all the rest of the great fighters.

I wouldn't exactly call Rogers inexperienced, the guy is 10-1. Fedor is just the undisputably, the best. His age will do him in like all the rest of the great fighters.


Fedor is getting older. I agree that will do him in if he sticks around.. I see his age catching up with him just a little in this fight. I honestly think Fedor will retire soon and leave ontop, I forsee this coming..

Fedor's quickness won this fight, as usual. How often do you see a counter cross that lands before the strike that it's countering lands? Almost never. The strongest part of Fedor's game standing is his speed.

Speed, power, timing and skill, he has them all. His punches have to be some of the hardest out there, ask Arlovski, Rogers, Cro Cop, etc...

Fedor beats another loser....great.

Why is he ducking the UFC?????????

Fedor = scared little pussy

hmm, dana talking crap about fedor.......

i wonder why????

oh maybe because fedor isnt in the ufc making the ufc money!!!!! you stupid f*ck

if you go to a ford dealership and saying you're buying a car today and trying to choose between the ford and chevy you know what the ford salesman is gonna say??? buy the ford its better

but when you go to the chevy dealer and say the same thing the salesman will say buy the chevy its better

whats funny is if the ford salesman got fired from ford and got a job a the chevy dealer selling then he would tell you the chevy is better.....

you know why??? cuz he is trying to sell what he wants you to buy, why would the ford dealer tell you a chevy is better and go buy somewhere else? there is no benefit to that.....

dana white is a promoter, a promoter is a salesman..... they are trying to sell their company to an audience

I promise you that if fedor would have signed with the ufc back when randy wanted to fight him i promise you that they would have hyped the hell outta that fight, showing footage of fedor crushing guys in pride and showing randy crushing guys in the ufc and saying fedor is the baddest man on the planet but randy is his biggest test..... they would say this to sell ppv and make profit

but cuz fedor isnt with the ufc then anyone who watches fedor isnt watching ufc that night and the ufc wants a monoploy and zero competition, if dana can shut the fedor hype up then its money in his pocket

and i agree with the previous post, you must be a 15yr old wwe fan

I wouldn't exactly call Rogers inexperienced, the guy is 10-1. Fedor is just undisputably, the best. His age will do him in like all the rest of the great fighters.

11 fights isnt many when you get into the heavyweight arena especially against the best.

Honestly, Im glad that Fedor isnt in UFC. I would never pay fucking $50-70 for a damn PPV of it. Just doesnt make sense to me.

NO RUTHLESS ROBBIE^^^^ Fedor has always been dogging the UFC for one reason or another. It's not the money, it's not because of the lack of competition in the UFC.. I think Dana is a piece of shit at times and is trying hard to create a monopoly but I tend to favor him with all the Fedor signing try's and failures.

It's commonly known the UFC has the best fighters, best paydays, infact all the former big pride names have signed with the UFC... So we need to ask why not Fedor???

Questions that remain -


- Is Fedor ducking the better talent in MMA to keep his perfect face and spotless record intact?

- Does Fedor just hate Dana White and the UFC so much he won't sign for that reason?

- Does he fear his Sputnik roots will be compromised with a long signing with the UFC and the fact that the company is based in the good ole US of A?

- Is Fedor just nuts for listening too much into his drunk Smirnoff drinking comrades and handlers?..


The bottom line, Fedor is not fighting the best of the best and or the biggest names in MMA.. It appears he will just continue to fight "has been fighters" or "good inexperienced fighters" in the lessor MMA venues.


In conclusion - If Fedor is protecting his legendary career by always signing fights with lessor organizations then I can understand that selfish reasoning, but to fans it's a slap in the face and it could be considered disrespect for the sport.

In conclusion - If Fedor is protecting his legendary career by always signing fights with lessor organizations then I can understand that selfish reasoning, but to fans it's a slap in the face and it could be considered disrespect for the sport.

I'm a fan of his... I don't feel disrespected at all.


If it hasn't hit you yet why he did it, it should start becoming obvious.

In between commercial breaks, what name came up?

Strikeforce AND M-1 Global...

I'm sorry. I think he just did VERY well for himself...



Fuck the UFC... I hope other good HW's continue to sign up... I don't want to be watching the same advertising and to be listening to Rogan's constipated voice every time I want to watch good MMA.

Dana calls Strikeforce a joke.

The fights I saw yesterday convince me of one thing... There are EXTREMELY talented fighters outside the UFC...

In EVERY single fight last night I saw technical proficiency in mixed martial arts... Every single one.

I can't remember the last time a UFC card I had to pay $50 for did that.


And Fedor's management became a part of that.

He would have never had that opportunity in the UFC...

Sorry, seems like a no-brainer to me...





Who's he ducking? Brock? Well, if he was in the UFC, he'd be ducking Barnett, Werdum, Overeem... Sorry, I'd rather see him fight those martial artists than some of the dumb brawlers in the UFC HW division ANY FUCKING DAY.

Seems like the fans are getting what they want to me.

Dana wants his vision to speak more loudly than his results... Only in his mind is the UFC this premier venue for the best fighters in the world that dwarfs the competition...

I will continue to enjoy watching the talents of MASTERS like Aoki, Zaromskis, Cung Le, Barnett, Mousasi, and all the other TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT martial artists from Dream, Strikeforce, and Sengoku.

The UFC does have many fighters that are considered the best in the world...

So do the other promotions, but if you've fallen for the hype you won't be able to see that.

fedor suffered a broken nose and possibly broken hand. hes a tough mother.


rogers in his post fight interview still refuses to give fedor credit.




http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Strikeforce-postfight-Rogers-just-another-confu?urn=mma,200893

11 fights isnt many when you get into the heavyweight arena especially against the best.

Honestly, Im glad that Fedor isnt in UFC. I would never pay fucking $50-70 for a damn PPV of it. Just doesnt make sense to me.

Dana wants to to have a match set between 3-1 Brock Lesnar against 31-1 Fedor. Now do you think that's because Dana is a fat, greedy, monopolizing bitch looking to promote his organization or does he really feel Brock is the best MMA heavyweight ou there. Fedor has fought the best: Nog, Coleman, Randleman, Silivia, Arlovski, Cro Cop, Rogers...and beaten them all. All the doubters are like, Jibby, he beats the top guys and then they say "oh that guy was washed up or inexperienced", B.S.

fedor suffered a broken nose and possibly broken hand. hes a tough mother.


rogers in his post fight interview still refuses to give fedor credit.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/Strikeforce-postfight-Rogers-just-another-confu?urn=mma,200893

Typical fool. Gets beat then wants to talk shit.:cry:

I'm a fan of his... I don't feel disrespected at all.


If it hasn't hit you yet why he did it, it should start becoming obvious.

In between commercial breaks, what name came up?

Strikeforce AND M-1 Global...

I'm sorry. I think he just did VERY well for himself...



Fuck the UFC... I hope other good HW's continue to sign up... I don't want to be watching the same advertising and to be listening to Rogan's constipated voice every time I want to watch good MMA.

Dana calls Strikeforce a joke.

The fights I saw yesterday convince me of one thing... There are EXTREMELY talented fighters outside the UFC...

In EVERY single fight last night I saw technical proficiency in mixed martial arts... Every single one.

I can't remember the last time a UFC card I had to pay $50 for did that.


And Fedor's management became a part of that.

He would have never had that opportunity in the UFC...

Sorry, seems like a no-brainer to me...





Who's he ducking? Brock? Well, if he was in the UFC, he'd be ducking Barnett, Werdum, Overeem... Sorry, I'd rather see him fight those martial artists than some of the dumb brawlers in the UFC HW division ANY FUCKING DAY.

Seems like the fans are getting what they want to me.

Dana wants his vision to speak more loudly than his results... Only in his mind is the UFC this premier venue for the best fighters in the world that dwarfs the competition...

I will continue to enjoy watching the talents of MASTERS like Aoki, Zaromskis, Cung Le, Barnett, Mousasi, and all the other TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT martial artists from Dream, Strikeforce, and Sengoku.

The UFC does have many fighters that are considered the best in the world...

So do the other promotions, but if you've fallen for the hype you won't be able to see that.

Hey Bboy what's happening -

I agree with everything you are saying and I too would like to see more MMA organizations come forward, more CBS fighting, more WEC events, etc...All I am saying is the superbowl of MMA fights happen to be in the UFC and FEDOR is not a part of that.. I would have liked to see Randy fight Fedor, Brock Lesnar fight Fedor, etc.. Fedor will be getting old soon and we will never see these fights. We will see Rogers fight Fedor and have to live with just that.

Heck, I even enjoyed watching the IFL fights over some of the UFC fights..

Dana wants to to have a match set between 3-1 Brock Lesnar against 31-1 Fedor. Now do you think that's because Dana is a fat, greedy, monopolizing bitch looking to promote his organization or does he really feel Brock is the best MMA heavyweight ou there. Fedor has fought the best: Nog, Coleman, Randleman, Silivia, Arlovski, Cro Cop, Rogers...and beaten them all. All the doubters are like, Jibby, he beats the top guys and then they say "oh that guy was washed up or inexperienced", B.S.

I dont think many people really do think that Brock is the best. Is he the most dominating?? Possibly but he isnt THE best at what he does.

A Lesnar/Fedor fight will end in one thing. Fedor getting Brock to tap out. :lol:

UFC has NOTHING to offer Fedor besides Lesnar. He has fought all types of fighters that have billions of different skills so why should he sign with one league for ONE fight? Doesnt make sense in my mind at all. Maybe SF and UFC can get a one time fight set up but I doubt it because Dana is a little bitch at times and would want all the money and TV time.

Hey Bboy what's happening -

I agree with everything you are saying and I too would like to see more MMA organizations come forward, more CBS fighting, more WEC events, etc...All I am saying is the superbowl of MMA fights happen to be in the UFC and FEDOR is not a part of that.. I would have liked to see Randy fight Fedor, Brock Lesnar fight Fedor, etc.. Fedor will be getting old soon and we will never see these fights. We will see Rogers fight Fedor and have to live with just that.

Heck, I even enjoyed watching the IFL fights over some of the UFC fights..

I do see what you're saying JIBBBY...

But Fedor's next fight should be a much better opponent. Rogers won't have been the pinnacle of Fedor's matchups I'm sure.

Poor Randy... Man he would get slaughtered.



I honestly can't wait for a Barnett/Fedor fight one day.

Whether or not Fedor would beat Brock, that fight would not entertain me at all I imagine.

Loved the fight but Strikeforce needs to learn to go to a different camera BEFORE the ref is in the way..

Also why show one fight with the guys walking to the cage but not Fedor? I about fell over when they came back from the commercial and they were allready in the cage.

After last night I think Randy would have some problems with Fedor's speed and power... When Randy broke Gonzaga's nose it seemed to affect Gonzaga....... Fedor gets his nose busted and it did not seem to phase him haha.

I am looking forward to seeing how Randy looks at 205.

If Fedor could deal with Brock's speed I think Fedor would beat him... Rodgers has plenty of power and landed some hard hits and still lost.

For those that say Fedor is scared is a laughable, he has beaten the best of the best even if some of them ende dup being past there prime.

If I was a betting man I would say that Brock will clean house in the UFC but you won't see him go after Fedor but after Randy's current contract I would be suprised if he did not go to Strikeforce to face Fedor.

Fedor tried to sign with the UFC....... how can you be scared but make attempts to sign?

Id like to see someone call Fedor a scared little Russian to his face haha........... stupid internet tuff guys...

I do see what you're saying JIBBBY...

But Fedor's next fight should be a much better opponent. Rogers won't have been the pinnacle of Fedor's matchups I'm sure.

Poor Randy... Man he would get slaughtered.



I honestly can't wait for a Barnett/Fedor fight one day.

Whether or not Fedor would beat Brock, that fight would not entertain me at all I imagine.

I feel the same, i loved watching Machida vs. Shogun there was so much skill going on there it was great. I would be more excited about George Sotiropoulos headlining a card instead of Brock.

I feel the same, i loved watching Machida vs. Shogun there was so much skill going on there it was great. I would be more excited about George Sotiropoulos headlining a card instead of Brock.


I feel exactly the way you do. 100% on that.

Loved the fight but Strikeforce needs to learn to go to a different camera BEFORE the ref is in the way..

Also why show one fight with the guys walking to the cage but not Fedor? I about fell over when they came back from the commercial and they were allready in the cage.

How old are you?

Were you around to watch the first, like, the first 30 UFC's starting with the first?

Man, those were some TV production errors right there! Mispronouncing names, switching to broadcasters not looking at the camera, switching to the wrong cameras, cutting off speakers with misplaced editing, etc. It was almost a parody. My friends and I still laugh about them to this day when we're drinking and people around us are like WTF are they talking about?


Strikeforce is going to have some growing pains.

At least no fighters got hit by the pyrotechnics discharge this time like Babalu did on his way to the cage on the last one.

How old are you?

Were you around to watch the first, like, the first 30 UFC's starting with the first?

Man, those were some TV production errors right there! Mispronouncing names, switching to broadcasters not looking at the camera, switching to the wrong cameras, cutting off speakers with misplaced editing, etc. It was almost a parody. My friends and I still laugh about them to this day when we're drinking and people around us are like WTF are they talking about?


Strikeforce is going to have some growing pains.

At least no fighters got hit by the pyrotechnics discharge this time like Babalu did on his way to the cage on the last one.

I did not start paying attention untill UFC 70 or something, I am only 26.

I think all in all StrikeForce did a good job honeslty, it is hard to keep a ref out of the shot when you don't know were he is going to move to and it is hard to just pick the best shot untill you get the hang of it. The commentators did a pretty good job also. For a free show with some good fights I don't have any real complaints.

At least no fighters got hit by the pyrotechnics discharge this time like Babalu did on his way to the cage on the last one.

Yeah, those intros were pretty hillarious actually.. Pyrotechnics and half naked cheerleaders swinging away down the narrow walkway.. I think one of those girls almost took out a fighter on his way too the ring if I'm not mistaken.. She was doing her routine and he had to duck a blow she threw at his head..

It's safe to say most of those intro's are total over kill.. It's Strikeforce promoting MMA on National television I guess. I can kinda understand the logic of it all I suppose..:huh:

Yeah, those intros were pretty hillarious actually.. Pyrotechnics and half naked cheerleaders swinging away down the narrow walkway.. I think one of those girls almost took out a fighter on his way too the ring if I'm not mistaken.. She was doing her routine and he had to duck a blow she threw at his head..

It's safe to say most of those intro's are total over kill.. It's Strikeforce promoting MMA on National television I guess. I can kinda understand the logic of it all I suppose..:huh:

I thought all that was a little much with the cheerleaders.... besides that I think MMA needs more stuff like that but not so much that you are on par WWE.......... I allways liked Goldbergs entrance though....... seeing Fedor or Brock coming out to something like that would be cool.

NO RUTHLESS ROBBIE^^^^ Fedor has always been dogging the UFC for one reason or another. It's not the money, it's not because of the lack of competition in the UFC.. I think Dana is a piece of shit at times and is trying hard to create a monopoly but I tend to favor him with all the Fedor signing try's and failures.
It's commonly known the UFC has the best fighters, best paydays, infact all the former big pride names have signed with the UFC... So we need to ask why not Fedor???
Questions that remain -
- Is Fedor ducking the better talent in MMA to keep his perfect face and spotless record intact?
- Does Fedor just hate Dana White and the UFC so much he won't sign for that reason?
- Does he fear his Sputnik roots will be compromised with a long signing with the UFC and the fact that the company is based in the good ole US of A?
- Is Fedor just nuts for listening too much into his drunk Smirnoff drinking comrades and handlers?..
The bottom line, Fedor is not fighting the best of the best and or the biggest names in MMA.. It appears he will just continue to fight "has been fighters" or "good inexperienced fighters" in the lessor MMA venues.

In conclusion - If Fedor is protecting his legendary career by always signing fights with lessor organizations then I can understand that selfish reasoning, but to fans it's a slap in the face and it could be considered disrespect for the sport.

:nono:

jibby every mma thread you are soo stupid :gtfo:

fedor is ducking ufc??? ha ha ha ha man you're an idiot

did you know that when fedor was in negotiations with the ufc he was still in contract with M-1

because of him still being under contract with M-1 fedor would have to do what M-1 agreed to,...... M-1 wanted to co-promote with the ufc and the ufc didn't want that to happen and declined

yes ufc offered fedor alot of money and an immediate title shot, BUT declined on the co-promotion with M-1, so M-1 decided to look elsewhere NOT fedor

like i said and i will say it again so you can get this in your tiny little mma brain, FEDOR IS UNDER CONTRACT WITH M-1 AND HAD TO DO WHAT M-1 AGREED TO

there was no ducking what so ever, it was business

fedor is making plenty if money from M-1 and strikeforce and in my opinion has alot more competition in strikeforce as well


AND ABOUT FEDOR DUCKING

fedor has been fighting the best heavyweights since 2000

THATS ALMOST A DECADE

he beat a prime nog, TWICE
could brock do that? hell no, can brock beat nog now? maybe but a prime nog, hell no and definitely not twice

and seriously, who is fedor gonna fight in the ufc???

frank mir, ha ha lol, mir got worked from a much smaller brandon vera.... some people think he has technically advanced since the nog fight, but nog had a bad staph infection and had a very bad knee so he couldnt move..... so when mir could hit nog people thought wow mir's changed his life and is a new motivated fighter..... lol mir was fighting a zombie, NOT NOG

ben rothwell, ha ha yeah right

cain valesquez, too small and would get ko'd or sub'd by fedor rather quickly

cro cop, he beat a prime cro cop and beat cro cop at his own style, striking

nog, he beat a prime nog twice

pat berry, too much of a striker, not mma and sucks on the ground

gabriel gonzaga, fedor would man handle him just like the much smaller randy couture did

shane carwin, this would be a good fight, but on the ground fedor would get a sub and standing i see fedor getting the ko

brock, he would ko brock standing and if it went to the ground there would be a boo fest in the audience, brock knows fedors submission game is elite and would hold on so close and so tight so fedor couldn't move and it would be a hugging match for 5 rounds IF fedor doesn't ko or sub brock before then

FEDOR ACTUALLY HAS MORE COMPETITION IN STRIKEFORCE......
but in jibby's little brain fedor is ducking and is scared, the baddest man on the planet is scared......

hell, IF fedor was ducking competition he would have signed with ufc, there are more heavyweights in strikeforce that oppose more of a threat to fedor than the current ufc heavyweight roster

jibby please go swim in shark infested waters

If I remember right Fedor is also half owner of M-1.......... a lot of red tape in that deal (when he was talking to the UFC).

I think they also wanted to be half owner of UFC...... that is a little much just for one fighter but I allways felt that Dana should do another cro cop and sign Fedor to a one fight deal but we all know Dana will never do that. The UFC wanted things and Fedor/M-1 wanted things and it did not work out because they could not come to an agreement.... I don't call that ducking.......

Yeah, those intros were pretty hillarious actually.. Pyrotechnics and half naked cheerleaders swinging away down the narrow walkway.. I think one of those girls almost took out a fighter on his way too the ring if I'm not mistaken.. She was doing her routine and he had to duck a blow she threw at his head..

It's safe to say most of those intro's are total over kill.. It's Strikeforce promoting MMA on National television I guess. I can kinda understand the logic of it all I suppose..:huh:

Mayhem Miller has always had colorful entrances his entire career regardless of the promotion(ufc,dream,icon,strikeforce)...has nothing to do with strikeforce

Where is Fedor....why isn't he disputing everything Dana is saying????? Because its true. He's a scared little Russian trying to protect his half ass record of beating a bunch of has-beens.

Fedor is scared to fight the best in the UFC....especially Brock.......PERIOD.

.

who in the ufc is as experienced,well rounded and mentally strong as Fedor?

Nogueira? wait he beat him twice already
Couture? he is 46 and past his prime
Kongo-No ground game
Velasquez-limited experience and striking
Rothwell-Lacks speed and grappling
Dos Santos/Barry-Strikers which would tap as soon as they go down
Lesnar/Carwin-big wreslters with swine flu

who in the ufc is as experienced,well rounded and mentally strong as Fedor?

Nogueira? wait he beat him twice already
Couture? he is 46 and past his prime
Kongo-No ground game
Velasquez-limited experience and striking
Rothwell-Lacks speed and grappling
Dos Santos/Barry-Strikers which would tap as soon as they go down
Lesnar/Carwin-big wreslters with swine flu

Don't even bother trying to convince these bone heads otherwise.

Didn't you know Fedor only started fighting like 2 years ago? Beating all those washed up monsters?

Lesnar/Carwin-big wreslters with swine flu

LOL! That's good.

Don't even bother trying to convince these bone heads otherwise.

Didn't you know Fedor only started fighting like 2 years ago? Beating all those washed up monsters?

brock can give fedor a lot of punishment if it goes 2 the ground. it was evident in this last fight. also i know 4 a fact fedor would finish lesnar.

If I remember right Fedor is also half owner of M-1.......... a lot of red tape in that deal (when he was talking to the UFC).

I think they also wanted to be half owner of UFC...... that is a little much just for one fighter but I allways felt that Dana should do another cro cop and sign Fedor to a one fight deal but we all know Dana will never do that. The UFC wanted things and Fedor/M-1 wanted things and it did not work out because they could not come to an agreement.... I don't call that ducking.......


Dana is the best thing to happen to the UFC corporation.

Dana is also a horrible, HORRIBLE representative of MMA and its fighters.


People quoting Dana in MMA threads to bolster opinions about fighters are like people quoting Colonel Sanders to prove a point about who makes the best fried chicken... Leave that faggot out of threads about MMA, gentlemen.

Brock has not been in the wars that Fedor has been in...Brock has never been tested and has not faced adversity, he doesnt have the experience and IMO is not as mentally strong.

What can Brock do off his back?
If he gets rocked can he recover?
Can he beat a grappler or striker at his own game?

at this stage in his career- NO

Brock has not been in the wars that Fedor has been in...Brock has never been tested and has not faced adversity, he doesnt have the experience and IMO is not as mentally strong.

What can Brock do off his back?
If he gets rocked can he recover?
Can he beat a grappler or striker at his own game?

at this stage in his career- NO

brock can recover dont forget mir rocked lesnar with a knee from the clinch in the second fight he responded by putting miir on his back 4 alot of pain 2 answer ur questions no lesnar will not beat fedor thats a given but he will cause him alot of pain if he doesnt get cought early also no way in hell brock can stand up and strike with fedor he would get smashed slow and very telegraphed punches very repetetive stand up fedor over hand right would destroy his chin

brock can recover dont forget mir rocked lesnar with a knee from the clinch in the second fight he responded by putting miir on his back 4 alot of pain 2 answer ur questions no lesnar will not beat fedor thats a given but he will cause him alot of pain if he doesnt get cought early also no way in hell brock can stand up and strike with fedor he would get smashed slow and very telegraphed punches very repetetive stand up fedor over hand right would destroy his chin



I dare you to fucking get those 5 or 6 complete thoughts and put a period somewhere in there. Go, do it.

^ lol

I do not agree with the Lesnar was rocked from that knee, but i do agree with the rest of the post. I think.

I dare you to fucking get those 5 or 6 complete thoughts and put a period somewhere in there. Go, do it.

are u sure u wanna go this route its funny u wanna follow me around and post about me every where and u probably are gonna not want me 2 get personal either rightwell lets just say ill be doing my homework 2 night;)

^ lol

I do not agree with the Lesnar was rocked from that knee, but i do agree with the rest of the post. I think.

in my opinion he was but we werent in his body so we will never know just watch it again and try 2 see its impact and his reaction turned really red and acted out of character who knows tho it will still be an amazing fight

I can't think of anyone that can beat Fedor. He fought the fight that Rogers wanted and still came out on top. He could of taken it to the ground in the first round and made him look retarded, instead he went toe to toe with him and made it a striking match. He still won. Its funny because he seems to do whatever his opponent wants and he still wins, why is that? Maybe because he is really that good.

I can't think of anyone that can beat Fedor. He fought the fight that Rogers wanted and still came out on top. He could of taken it to the ground in the first round and made him look retarded, instead he went toe to toe with him and made it a striking match. He still won. Its funny because he seems to do whatever his opponent wants and he still wins, why is that? Maybe because he is really that good.

It is funny how many of the best strikers he has destroyed on his feet and how many of the best ground fighters he has crushed on the ground. I wonder how many fights he has left in him.

It is funny how many of the best strikers he has destroyed on his feet and how many of the best ground fighters he has crushed on the ground. I wonder how many fights he has left in him.

i say 5 or 6 easily after 7 or 8 i dont think so

are u sure u wanna go this route its funny u wanna follow me around and post about me every where and u probably are gonna not want me 2 get personal either rightwell lets just say ill be doing my homework 2 night;)

1. Not really, that was just one post. How that hell is that following you around? What are you talking about :confused:

2. How the hell did I get personal with you? I don't even know anything about you, other than the fact you write poorly.

3. Also, toward the end, your post right here sounds like a pussy ass threat... The few times I have threatened people in my life, in person I might add, you can rest assured that they knew it. Here it's not that clear...


If you're getting angry facing a computer screen, there's something wrong with you. IMO.




EDIT: Just realized what you meant... lol

You're this guy: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/racers-lounge/1201579-new-engine-fail.html

I had forgotten I posted there and that it's you.

Wow, your writing is bananas!

Also, you seem to love the tough guy act... A tough guy like you gets pissed that easily? Why, what's the matter? Lighten up... Get laid, smoke a joint, stop crying/whining so much about nothing really.

It is funny how many of the best strikers he has destroyed on his feet and how many of the best ground fighters he has crushed on the ground. I wonder how many fights he has left in him.

I wonder, huh?

But it's been reported he fucked up his hand again. That's not good.

1. Not really, that was just one post. How that hell is that following you around? What are you talking about :confused:

2. How the hell did I get personal with you? I don't even know anything about you, other than the fact you write poorly.

3. Also, toward the end, your post right here sounds like a pussy ass threat... The few times I have threatened people in my life, in person I might add, you can rest assured that they knew it. Here it's not that clear...


If you're getting angry facing a computer screen, there's something wrong with you. IMO.




EDIT: Just realized what you meant... lol

You're this guy: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/racers-lounge/1201579-new-engine-fail.html

I had forgotten I posted there and that it's you.

Wow, your writing is bananas!

Also, you seem to love the tough guy act... A tough guy like you gets pissed that easily? Why, what's the matter? Lighten up... Get laid, smoke a joint, stop crying/whining so much about nothing really.

wow u just failed lmao hmmmmm i didnt think i was angry oooops some one fucked up

also ur the one with the tuff guy act ill be straight keep pissing me off i dont threaten people i do and if u keep fucking with me ill just let u know what i can do hmmmmm from the looks of it u will probably need 2 be made an example of i honestly dont wanna do it but ur forcing my hand so ignore my posts or whatever u wanna do but dont be writing checks ur ass cant cash

i had also tried 2 end this with a message but u think ur a hotshot so go ahead force me 2 do it

wow u just failed lmao hmmmmm i didnt think i was angry oooops some one fucked up

In that thread, yes, you did write very angrily when they raised the issue of your atrocious writing, telling members to watch out, that you'd embarrass them (except your dumbass wrote "imberass" instead), etc.


Oh, what a coincidence, that thread, whose title is also a failure, has been deleted...

You reek heavily of Fail now.

are u sure u wanna go this route its funny u wanna follow me around and post about me every where and u probably are gonna not want me 2 get personal either rightwell lets just say ill be doing my homework 2 night;)

also ur the one with the tuff guy act ill be straight keep pissing me off i dont threaten people i do and if u keep fucking with me ill just let u know what i can do hmmmmm from the looks of it u will probably need 2 be made an example of i honestly dont wanna do it but ur forcing my hand so ignore my posts or whatever u wanna do but dont be writing checks ur ass cant cash

i had also tried 2 end this with a message but u think ur a hotshot so go ahead force me 2 do it

This is the second time today that you've hinted at threatening somebody outside of this forum. Don't let it happen again or you'll be permanently removed from the forum. I don't make a point of banning people too frequently but personal and/or financial threats are something that we absolutely don't tolerate here.

Back on topic. I don't want to see any more dumbassery polluting this thread.

Vendetta what do you think about the Fedor/ Rogers fight? Am I the only one that thinks Fedor fought the fight Roger's wanted and still came out on top or am I missing something? Fedor's ground game would of allowed him to end it in the first round if he would of pushed the issue but he didn't. He attempted no take downs and IMO he could of taken him down several times. Just my thoughts on it but I think Fedor wanted Rogers to have his fight so there would be no doubt as to who was better.

Fedor came really close to an armbar in the first round which was stopped by the cage and had a couple of throws. It was pretty clear that Rogers didn't want to be on top on the ground after that. After that it turned into a boxing match, and Rogers, like other big heavyweights, is just too slow to strike with Fedor. Same thing that happened to Sylvia.

From what I've read i was Fedor's left hand not his right hand this time that's rumored to be broken. I think Brett knew he lost when he realized it bother Fedor when he busted his nose open the way he did even though it re-opened a cut that you can see in the fight preview video.

Fedor came really close to an armbar in the first round which was stopped by the cage and had a couple of throws. It was pretty clear that Rogers didn't want to be on top on the ground after that. After that it turned into a boxing match, and Rogers, like other big heavyweights, is just too slow to strike with Fedor. Same thing that happened to Sylvia.

True but those throws weren't real attempts at going to the ground they were more of an attention getter that he could go to the ground. At least the way I see it. I think if Fedor wanted a ground fight he would of attempted, likely successfully, a real take down. The rematch, if it happens, will likely showcase Fedor's ground game.

Fedor's nose was bothering him. He wiped his face numerous times and even was squinting because of all the blood. It was burning his eyes and that is possibly why Rogers looked good in the first round. Who knows.

Fedor's nose was bothering him. He wiped his face numerous times and even was squinting because of all the blood. It was burning his eyes and that is possibly why Rogers looked good in the first round. Who knows.

Well, it had to annoy him... I mean, he had to know it was there.

But, something bothering Fedor is not like something bothering a normal person.

I'm sure Randleman's suplex "bothered" him too, but ultimately, in the greater scheme of things, he didn't give a shit. lol

:lol:

True that. Im just saying that it did mess with him and he had to of known it was there. That cut will haunt him for the rest of his career though because itll be much easier to rip open again and itll be even worse next time.

:lol:

True that. Im just saying that it did mess with him and he had to of known it was there. That cut will haunt him for the rest of his career though because itll be much easier to rip open again and itll be even worse next time.

Yeah, scar tissue... :bang:




















But this hurt more!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Bboyferal/fedorknocksoutrogers-1.gif

LMFAO


Already a damn GIF out. Thats too good. Too bad its not bigger and after the ref called off the fight and Rogers asks the ref, "What happened???" No shit. I replayed it about 10 times to see what he said and that came out of his mouth. :lol:

ya Rogers tried to say it was an early stoppage. The guy is a joke, he could have made a ton of fans of this fight.

I can't think of anyone that can beat Fedor. He fought the fight that Rogers wanted and still came out on top. He could of taken it to the ground in the first round and made him look retarded, instead he went toe to toe with him and made it a striking match. He still won. Its funny because he seems to do whatever his opponent wants and he still wins, why is that? Maybe because he is really that good.

Fedor has balls..Knowing Rogers hits like a truck he still decided to stand and take him out with his stand up..Fedor never shot once on Rogers. Fedor impressed me in this fight actually. Knowing he had superior ground skills he still decided not use them as an offensive attack in the fight...

LESNAR VS FEDOR. Brock Lesnar may just be able to ground and pound out Fedor now when I think of it. Just too much size and strength to deal with. Just remember what Randy did to Gonzaga.. Also Rogers was having some success with his ground and pound game against Fedor and Lesnar is 10x the ground fighter Rodgers is..

Also not so sure Randy would get murdered by Fedor either.. If Randy could crowd Fedor then work his ground and pound game anything is possible.. Thinking back Randy held his own basically on the ground against the bigger Lesnar, too me just that was very impressive giving up all that weight and age. I don't think it's all that impossible for Randy to pull off that upset.

I would love to see that fight..

Fedor slumped Rogers really bad. That counter was fierce.

ya Rogers tried to say it was an early stoppage. The guy is a joke, he could have made a ton of fans of this fight.

Yeah, his after fight comments were retarted. "I will let my hands go next time, rematch, bla bla bla." Just STFU Rogers and leave the ring, that would have been his best bet..

ya i thought ge was going to say he wanted a rematch right now, as in they fight again the same night. He should have just said i throw my hat off to Fedor he was the better man today but i will be working hard to try to avenge that loss.

Why does Rogers remind me of the actor in PULP FICTION?

I dont know why everyone is making a big deal about Fedors cut......one knock on him through out his career has been that he cuts easily, and it has never effected him

LMFAO


Already a damn GIF out. Thats too good. Too bad its not bigger and after the ref called off the fight and Rogers asks the ref, "What happened???" No shit. I replayed it about 10 times to see what he said and that came out of his mouth. :lol:

ref replies:
well, you just gots K T FUUUUUUK OUT!!!!

LESNAR VS FEDOR. Brock Lesnar may just be able to ground and pound out Fedor now when I think of it. Just too much size and strength to deal with. Just remember what Randy did to Gonzaga.. Also Rogers was having some success with his ground and pound game against Fedor and Lesnar is 10x the ground fighter Rodgers is..

The second Lesnar gets on top of Fedor and starts punching, Fedor's gonna throw his legs over Brock's big ass head and go for the armbar. He did it almost immediately on Rogers just like he's done so many times before. Credit to Rogers for recognizing it and doing his "I gotta get the f-ck out of here now" scramble though. I really thought that was going to be the end of the fight.

Brock's biggest asset would be that he could use his size and bulk to pin Fedor against the cage and sap away his strength. Rogers did a good job of doing just that and made if very difficult for Fedor to get separation and virtually impossible to execute any successful throws. Once Fedor got separation, he did pretty good against the bigger man, including wobbling him w/ that overhand left in the first and of course the KO.

Honestly, if Brock and Fedor fought, I'd take Fedor either winning just like he did against Rogers or submitting Lesnar with an armbar off his back. I just don't see Lesnar knocking him out and he definitely won't submit him.

As for Rogers' actions after the fight, I wasn't surprised. You should've seen the way him and his wife/girlfriend/baby's mama/whatever acted after he TKO'd Arlovski. Hood....Rat.

I don't have the ability to analyze it technically but the results speak volumes.



How often do you see a counter cross that lands before the strike that it's countering lands?

I see you have gotten better since page two...

I was 4 for 4 on the winners of the big fights.

I think for Fedor to have a legit chance of being beat he will have to fight someone who has super fast hands with a killer take down defense and strong hands at that along someone who has a Couture (possible prime Couture) or prime Nog ground game...

Right now I think Brock would get caught, he does not seem to have much of a GOOD ground game yet, he may later though.... Fedor has had many people a lot larger then him on top of them and it ended in a Fedor arm bar.

I would give Randy a shot if it went to the ground, standing up it would not last long, Randy does not have much of a chin and I would not want to risk getting clocked like Rodgers did.....

Laugh at me all you want but that is my opinion....

I said it once I will say it again.... Fedor vs Couture will happen at some point....

I see you have gotten better since page two...

I was 4 for 4 on the winners of the big fights.

That's no solid technical analysis, I have pretty limited experience with boxing.

is it jsut me, or does fedor kind of have that "rocky" aspect to him? like there are so many times where it looks like he is in major trouble, and then he comes out of nowhere and BAM, KO or armbar. a lot of people talk about how arlovski and rogers were "beating" him, but i think that's just him being patient and knowing exactly how much punishment he can endure, and then exploding when he sees his opening, i dunno, just a random thought i had :lol:

damn good card though overall, one of the best i have seen as of late

[QUOTE=mongse;12484015]The second Lesnar gets on top of Fedor and starts punching, Fedor's gonna throw his legs over Brock's big ass head and go for the armbar.

Perhaps you are correct, but being that Frank Mir didn't have any success at all with his excellent ground game against Lesnar in their second fight one must wonder what would happen against the likes of a smaller sized Fedor?.. Mir was also trying to throw his legs over Brock's big ass head but found himself smothered and ineffective instead. I don't see Fedors ground game being vastly superior to Frank Mirs right?.

I see no reason why Brock couldn't do the same thing to the smaller sized Fedor, just pin and pound on him, basically use his massive weight, strength and size advantage to his favor. He pretty much did that same thing with Randy as well. Randy the freak of nature was able to barely squirm and fight his way out of those pinned positions..

Is that not with in reason to think Lesnar can lay on Fedor and then proceed to pound and beat on him?

[QUOTE=mongse;12484015]The second Lesnar gets on top of Fedor and starts punching, Fedor's gonna throw his legs over Brock's big ass head and go for the armbar.

Perhaps you are correct, but being that Frank Mir didn't have any success at all with his excellent ground game against Lesnar in their second fight one must wonder what would happen against the likes of a smaller sized Fedor?.. Mir was also trying to throw his legs over Brock's big ass head but found himself smothered and ineffective instead. I don't see Fedors ground game being vastly superior to Frank Mirs right?.

I see no reason why Brock couldn't do the same thing to the smaller sized Fedor, just pin and pound on him, basically use his massive weight, strength and size advantage to his favor. He pretty much did that same thing with Randy as well. Randy the freak of nature was able to barely squirm and fight his way out of those pinned positions..

Is that not with in reason to think Lesnar can lay on Fedor and then proceed to pound and beat on him?

Comparing Mir's ground game to Fedor's is a strech....... Not taking anything away from Mir, I just thing Fedor has far better situational awarness.


That Korean that Fedor fought not to long ago is a HUGE dude and we saw how that ended..........

Comparing Mir's ground game to Fedor's is a strech....... Not taking anything away from Mir, I just thing Fedor has far better situational awarness.


That Korean that Fedor fought not to long ago is a HUGE dude and we saw how that ended..........


while i agree with you on the first statement, that huge korean dude is a joke, he cant fight worth a damn, and brock lesnar would tear him apart just like fedor did, the guy is a freakshow and thats it, not a serious fighter. iirc crocop also ate him for dinner

while i agree with you on the first statement, that huge korean dude is a joke, he cant fight worth a damn, and brock lesnar would tear him apart just like fedor did, the guy is a freakshow and thats it, not a serious fighter. iirc crocop also ate him for dinner

I was refering to his size... not his fighting skills.

holy mother of big pictures.

holy mother of big pictures.

Yeah I just coped the link..... not sure why they need to be that big, Vendetta can re-size them or ditch them if he want's.

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Comparing Mir's ground game to Fedor's is a strech....... Not taking anything away from Mir, I just thing Fedor has far better situational awarness.

Ok let's then consider a Mir vs. Fedor pure grappling match... I'm not so sure it would be a clear FEDOR victory like you are suggesting. I'm sure Mir could hold his own on the ground against Fedor all day long. I would actually be quite suprised if Fedor were able to submit or out point a fighter like Mir on the ground..

Fedor is a beast in Sambo so anything is possible I guess..

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Ok let's then consider a Mir vs. Fedor pure grappling match... I'm not so sure it would be a clear FEDOR victory like you are suggesting. I'm sure Mir could hold his own on the ground against Fedor all day long. I would actually be quite suprised if Fedor were able to submit or out point a fighter like Mir on the ground..

Fedor is a beast in Sambo so anything is possible I guess..

I think the difference in their ground skills really starts to show in a fight, not a grappling match so much. How dynamic Fedor is at the whole art of fighting is what makes the difference in how i see their ground skills.

I agree with both statements that Fedors ground game is clearly superior superior in a fight, but the difference is not the same when it comes to a pure grappling match.

what do u think about brocks fight comin up?

i honestly dont even know when it is anymore it has gotten oushed back so many times and messed up. With that being said he will crush Carwin.

[QUOTE=JUICED96Z;12490566]

Ok let's then consider a Mir vs. Fedor pure grappling match... I'm not so sure it would be a clear FEDOR victory like you are suggesting. I'm sure Mir could hold his own on the ground against Fedor all day long. I would actually be quite suprised if Fedor were able to submit or out point a fighter like Mir on the ground..

Fedor is a beast in Sambo so anything is possible I guess..

Your joking, right?

Ok let's then consider a Mir vs. Fedor pure grappling match... I'm not so sure it would be a clear FEDOR victory like you are suggesting. I'm sure Mir could hold his own on the ground against Fedor all day long. I would actually be quite suprised if Fedor were able to submit or out point a fighter like Mir on the ground..

Fedor is a beast in Sambo so anything is possible I guess..

once again another retarded jibby statement.....

mir can only catch white belts and some blue belts in subs, when is the last time mir sub'd a half ass submission fighter??? NEVER

mir stopped doing grappling competitions a long time ago so he can protect his stature on the ground,.....

and in sambo there are tons of very similar submissions in their competitions, also you are allowed to add any submission game to your arsenal, and many black belts in bjj compete in sambo competitions

fedor has been competing in sambo since 1997 and has won every single year except for 4 of them

YOU JIBBY are the one saying fedor is ducking and is scared and fedor is just trying to keep his perfect record so he keeps fighting cans

well if this were true then why would he compete so much in sambo if he wants to keep his perfect record, he has lost in sambo, very few times but he has lost

fedor competes because he loves it,....... the person you are sticking up for, Mir, dosent compete in grappling simply so he can keep his reputation of a bad ass ground guy, the fact is if mir would compete in grappling he would get tooled and people would realize that he can only sub white belts

for example, Mir is a "black belt" at this time so keep that in mind..... i think he found the belt in the dumpster and put it on and said he earned it, either that or he paid for it

the arm triangle choke he put on wes sims..... he had no idea how to do it right, its like mir saw a picture of this sub and figured hmm i can do that.....

the knee bar on brock, first of all you have to have the knee joint past your inner thigh, also you use your inner thigh to hyper extened the knee joint "not your crotch or cup" like mir did also his forearm should be under the heel holding it tight to his torso, he has his forearm on the heel not under it, it is plain as day to see that brock was in no danger in the knee bar from mir, brock only had to turn to his left and he would have been out of the sub and safe

the whole point of the knee bar is to hyper extend the knee joint and in the pic of brock tapping you can clearly see the entire knee joint is completely behind mir's thigh much less in front of the inner thigh and the knee joint past mir's femur

brock has ZERO bjj knowledge and because of mir's "bjj persona" he simply determined before the fight that if mir had a limb and brock couldnt get it back very soon then he should assume he was caught and tap to keep safe and be healthy to fight again soon

look where the knee joint is in these 2 pics and you can see what im talking about.....

fedor vs mir in pure grappling would be like a pit vs a poodle....... mir would look like he has no idea what grappling is

[QUOTE=JUICED96Z;12490566]

Ok let's then consider a Mir vs. Fedor pure grappling match... I'm not so sure it would be a clear FEDOR victory like you are suggesting. I'm sure Mir could hold his own on the ground against Fedor all day long. I would actually be quite suprised if Fedor were able to submit or out point a fighter like Mir on the ground..

Fedor is a beast in Sambo so anything is possible I guess..

Jibby, again, please only speak of what you know. Don't make guesses and pass them off as fact.

Mir is an average black belt with decent wrestling. Fedor is a Russian national combat sambo champion and a judo black belt. He would destroy Mir standing and throw him all over the place, and probably submit him with a joint lock on the ground.

the knee bar on brock, first of all you have to have the knee joint past your inner thigh, also you use your inner thigh to hyper extened the knee joint "not your crotch or cup" like mir did also his forearm should be under the heel holding it tight to his torso, he has his forearm on the heel not under it, it is plain as day to see that brock was in no danger in the knee bar from mir, borck only had to turn to his left and he would have been out of the sub and safe

the whole point of the knee bar is to hyper extend the knee joint and in the pic of brock tapping you can clearly see the entire knee joint is completely behind mir's thigh much less in front of the inner thigh and the knee joint past the femur

brock has ZERO bjj knowledge and because of mir's "bjj persona" he simply determined before the fight that if mir had a limb and brock couldnt get it back very soon then he should tap to keep safe and be healthy to fight again soon

look where the knee joint is in these 2 pics and you can see what im talking about.....

Thank you SO MUCH. I've been criticizing that kneebar since the fight happened. Unfortunately, as a blue belt, I don't have the background to start picking apart black belt technique. Nice for my opinion to be affirmed by a black belt.

Here's another pic of a good kneebar:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CtcHgMreTGs/SBtGMDn68WI/AAAAAAAAAAo/POe8EndU-70/S1600-R/renzoarmbarcarlosnewton.jpg

I see the sarcasm and personal criticism when comparing fighters on threads is still in full effect on this forum. I was really hoping for more civil posts on these MMA threads, but I guess I was hoping for too much.:(

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I simply said - MIR vs. FEDOR in a pure grappling ground match would not be a slaughter I would think.. If I am wrong then so be it...

I also said after that Fedor is Sambo beast on the ground and could infact possilbly clean Mir... Just discussing the what ifs, and not stating anything really.. No need to launch personal insults people again....

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Now I remember why I stopped posting on some of these MMA threads.. There's no intellegent MMA discussions without personal insults, and this doesn't only include my posts... I've been reading in on these MMA threads for awhile..

It's really annoying and dissapointing that I can't throw up "a or any" MMA discussions and comparisons between certain fighters without getting ripped..

I see the sarcasm and personal criticism when comparing fighters on threads is still in full effect on this forum. I was really hoping for more civil posts on these MMA threads, but I guess I was hoping for too much.:(

Stop passing off uneducated guesses as fact and maybe people would be more civil to you. People like you are the reason why there are so many uneducated MMA fans out there.

Stop passing off uneducated guesses as fact and maybe people would be more civil to you. People like you are the reason why there are so many uneducated MMA fans out there.

lmao jibby rocks lol jking

Jibby just keep watching and read as much as u can. Maybe take a martial arts class.This way you will have more of a educated opinion based on facts or personal experience.

Stop passing off uneducated guesses as fact and maybe people would be more civil to you. People like you are the reason why there are so many uneducated MMA fans out there.

Uneducated guesses? I thought I just stated and compared the what if's between Frank Mir and Fedors ground games.. How is that passing off fact? The funny thing is I have never passed my opinion and or a fighter comparisons off as fact. Just looking to discuss the possibilities of future matchups.. Anything can happen in MMA as we all know that.. I do use fighter history and experience, MMA fighter tendancies and past fight records to form my opinions though..

Ok Ven, if what you say is true, then people like you are the reason why uneducated mma fans like me will never learn the sport of MMA on the forums:engarde:

Come on bud keep it real...






Messing with the Mods... Could be forum suicide.. Nothing like walking the forum tightrope..:chug:

mir stopped doing grappling competitions a long time ago so he can protect his stature on the ground,.....

and in sambo there are tons of very similar submissions in their competitions, also you are allowed to add any submission game to your arsenal, and many black belts in bjj compete in sambo competitions

fedor vs mir in pure grappling would be like a pit vs a poodle....... mir would look like he has no idea what grappling is

Didn't say he would win just hold his own and probably not get submitted.. Mir has ground and wrestling skills, he was UFC champion, is known for his good ground game, he has tons of experience which is mostly centered on the ground.. I would think MIR is not a push over in grappling period, even against the likes of FEDOR.. He just looked that way against the much larger and controlling Brock Lesnar in their second fight.

I actually thought Mir could have hung on the ground against big NOG in their last fight. I was hoping that fight would have gone to the ground when I think back to it.. Very dissapointing..

If Mir fought Fedor on the ground only, I could definetely see Fedor inflicting ground damage on Mir and being the aggressor thru the use of his Sambo skills. I don't dought that.. Just said Mir could hang and avoid Fedors submissions.


Look at Mirs credentials and grappling back ground.. A poodle I think not even though I dislike Frank Mir greatly..

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/index.php/Frank_Mir

If Mir and Fedor fought in the UFC and it got to the ground, Fedor would just beat Frank's skull in with his GnP. As far as hanging with Nog in their first fight, that's a huge accomplishment since the guy had no business in a cage anyway. He should have been at home recovering but if he can get into the cage, he's gonna fight and it bit him in the ass that night.

OK UFC 105 is up next.. Fights, betting odds and hype provided in the link below..

http://www.mmaconvert.com/cards/ufc-105-fight-card-betting-odds-tickets-results/

I am thinking of laying a few small wagers on -

James Wilks to beat Mike Brown as an underdog pick- Mike Brown just hasn't shown me enough MMA skills and fortitude in his actual pro fights to make me think otherwise.

I love Aaron Riley to absolutely smash England boy Ross Pearson.. I always liked Aaron Riley as a fighter and just don't think much of Ross Pearson.

Dennis Kang vs. Michael Bisbing - Actually liking Michael Bisbing in this one. I think Bisbing has just enough MMA skills and determination to beat Dennis Kang in this one. Bisbings MMA career rests on this fight as far as which direction it will be going in the future... Would love to see Bisbing get knocked out again just for laughs sake.

I also like Randy over Brandon Vera.. I think Randy will find a way to get his hands on Vera, crowd him against the cage, beat on him, break his will and then take him down and proceed to finish him.. I think Randy at 205 will get it done..

Mike Swick should also win...






Aaron Riley over Ross Pearson is my big play..

They way he looked against Brock I doubt he would do well against an equally agressive fighter like Fedor.

Id like to see Mir fight Nog again and watch nog tear his arm off.

Mir could hang and avoid Fedors submissions.

Look at Mirs credentials and grappling back ground.. A poodle I think not even though I dislike Frank Mir greatly..

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/index.php/Frank_Mir

hmm....

here jibby, since you like doing google searches to get your opinions then while you were looking up frank mir's grappling credentials why didnt you look up and post fedors?

http://www.mmalinker.com/wiki/index.php/Fedor_Emelianenko

hmm.....

a guy that in 2001 won at bue belt level in competition

or

a guy that,
won a national championship in judo
received 3rd place in a international judo tournament
and won over 12 sambo competitions and championships


hmm..... i think i will say the guy that competed at blue belt would be sure to hold his own and not get sub'd by the national and international superstar that still till this day competes in grappling on a regular basis.....

jibby, you always give me a good laugh when i need it, thanks for being a douche

Here are Dana's comments on the Fedor ratings....

UFC president Dana White, predictably, wasn’t impressed with Saturday night’s card.

“CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about,” said Dana White. “Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn’t make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor.”



I love promoters...... they only love someone when they want them haha.

Aaron Riley and Matt Brown are both pretty tough guys. Brown isn't as talented as Wilks but I wouldn't count him out. Riley over Pearson is a great pick IMO.

Here are Dana's comments on the Fedor ratings....

UFC president Dana White, predictably, wasn’t impressed with Saturday night’s card.

“CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about,” said Dana White. “Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn’t make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor.”


el oh fuggin el. a roster noone cares about, riiiiiiight, so those 5.5 million people watching just had absolutely nothing better to do on a saturday night than watch a bunch of guys fight that they "dont care about" :lol:

It's promoter-speak meant to sway mainstream fans. Ignore it. Dana knows what's up, part of his job description is to spew out propaganda.

Aaron Riley and Matt Brown are both pretty tough guys. Brown isn't as talented as Wilks but I wouldn't count him out. Riley over Pearson is a great pick IMO.

Now we are talking... That is what I like mang!!!

Matt Brown - yes he is as tough and skilled but from what I've seen in his past fights is that he does not always bring all into the ring mentally. He tends to fade in later rounds as well from what I can tell.. Something is a miss mentally with Mike Brown.. I will have to go with James Wilk in this one if I must pick...

Aaron Riley - is a very solid MMA fighter, he brings it everytime I have seen him fight...A very tough guy. I just think Ross Pearson doesn't stand a chance in this one..

Here are Dana's comments on the Fedor ratings....

UFC president Dana White, predictably, wasn’t impressed with Saturday night’s card.

“CBS made its biggest mistake partnering with a tiny, small show with a roster no one cares about,” said Dana White. “Just because you read on MMA.TV that someone is a superstar doesn’t make it true. This should prove that no one out there gives a [expletive] about Fedor.”



I love promoters...... they only love someone when they want them haha.

i wanted to vent on this yesterday when dana said that fedor isn't a top 5 heavyweight and he never has been in the top 5 ever.....

this is beyond stupid, i mean jibby isnt even that stupid

i remember when cro cop came to the ufc and dana promoted the hell outta him, saying he is one of the best heavyweights and best heavyweight striker ever and how great of a fighter cro cop is.....

funny thing is fedor fought and beat a PRIME cro cop and beat cro cop at his own game which is striking, and now cro cop is in the ufc he is pretty much washed up and not the same cro cop of pride

and with big nog, when he came to ufc dana promoted him saying how he is the best heavyweight ever and how badass he is and all this and all that

dana didnt mention fedor beat him twice, and beat him at what he is best at which is boxing and on the ground, also fedor beat a prime nog twice..... since nog has been in the ufc lets admit it, he's not the nog we seen in pride, his wars are catching up to him

so, cro cop and big nog come to the ufc they are the baddest dudes on the planet

but the guy that beat them both when they were in their prime isnt even a top 5 heavyweight and never has been???

people should realize that dana is a promoter and a promoter is just a fancy word for a used car salesman

maybe jibby will realize that fedor isnt ducking anybody, and maybe jibby and people that think like him will realize they shouldn't listen to a used car salesman and believe what comes out of their mouth

Its promoter crap. if Fedor was really a can and if everyone knew it Dana never would have wanted to get Fedor into the UFC let alone to fight Brock.

Id pay good money to see JIBBY tell Fedor to his face that his is a scared Russian.. then will help with funeral costs.........

^^ Ruthless Robbie, how many times are going to call me stupid in your posts.. I think everyone gets it by now so try and give it a rest already^^^^.

Fedor may or may not be ducking anyone in MMA like you say, but he sure didn't sign with the UFC when given the opportunity for big money. He then could have had the chance to fight the #1 #2 and #3 best HW contenders in MMA and really cement his legacy.

Ruthless Robbie - The best HW MMA fighters just happen to be signed and fighting in the UFC whether you would like to think so or not.. Again, The highest ranked HW fighters commonly known in MMA happens to be in the UFC and not in any other MMA organizations. This is commonly known and stated in mostly all the respectable ranking MMA experts and write ups.. Fighters like Rogers, Barnett and Overeem are not even ranked in the top 3...

These are the facts and they are undisputed oh Ruthless one with most MMA experts.. Anyway, keep stroking Fedors nuts tough guy, I won't stop you.

I'm happy to see Fedor fighting in other MMAm organizations but I still question why he doesn't want to step up and fight the best in his trade.. Anderson Sivla and GSP make it a point to fight the best and test themselves.. I respect that in a fighter..

I'm happy to see Fedor fighting in other MMAm organizations but I still question why he doesn't want to step up and fight the best in his trade.. Anderson Sivla and GSP make it a point to fight the best and test themselves.. I respect that in a fighter..

that is because anderson silva and GSP are in very deep weight classes with a LOT of competition. i am curious though, who are you considering top 3 in the UFC? because the last i checked, lesnar is the ONLY HW in the UFC that i would possibly consider top 3 in the world, everyone else in the division is either past their prime or havent gotten to it yet :huh:

yeah, beating a PRIME crocop at striking and a PRIME big nog on the ground is just picking on a couple of cans :lol: not to mention he ko'd arlovski (yes, i know, glass jaw, yadda yadda) and rogers, both of whom are dangerous strikers, and he beat them both ON their feet. if he had taken things to the ground early like he is surely capable of they would not have had a chance in hell

I'm happy to see Fedor fighting in other MMAm organizations but I still question why he doesn't want to step up and fight the best in his trade.. Anderson Sivla and GSP make it a point to fight the best and test themselves.. I respect that in a fighter..

Do you know how many guys with awesome standup he has crushed standing and how many dangerous ground guys he has beat up on the ground. He does not seem to care where the fight goes he just finishes the fight.

Do you know how "stupid" is was for fedor to do all these things, guess what he did them and came out winning even though it might have been harder for him. He is facing challenges all the time.
If he did not want a challenge then he never would have stood with; Andrei, Sylvia, Rogers or Crocop.
Or he never would have gone to the ground with; Lindland, Coleman, Randleman, or Nog twice.
He alsmost seems to challenge the best fighters at the best part of their game.

i am curious though, who are you considering top 3 in the UFC?

Personally I would pick #1 Brock Lesnar, #2 Fedor, #3 Cain Velasquez, #4 Antonio Nogueira... All signed in the UFC except for Fedor...

Official MMA HW rankings and polls... Scroll down..

http://www.mmaplayground.com/top-10-mma-fighters.aspx?Display=HW

Probably Josh Barnett is the highest ranked HW outside the UFC at this point according to the polls.. I agree with Overeem probably being the next in line..

Do you know how many guys with awesome standup he has crushed standing and how many dangerous ground guys he has beat up on the ground. He does not seem to care where the fight goes he just finishes the fight.

Yes I do, and I agree Fedor is a beast.. That is why I want him to fight the best and test himself. I would love a fight between Fedor and Lesnar, Nog and Fedor, even Mir and Cain against Fedor just for kicks..

Barnett, Overeem, and Werdum is ok for now, actually only Werdum is all we really got in Strike Force.. Anyways, they are not the best of the best in the HW division and either was Rogers.. Barnett would be the best challenge right now for Fedor in my opinion.. However, Fedor would most likely knock out Barnett I would think. Barnett had his chance to fight Fedor in AFFLICTION but couldn't stay clean.. Don't think that fight will happen anytime soon if at all unfortunately..

Personally I would pick #1 Brock Lesnar, #2 Fedor, #3 Cain Velasquez, #4 Antonio Nogueira... All signed in the UFC except for Fedor..

Lesnar cannot beat Fedor IMO. Fedor will eventually be beaten without a doubt but it won't be by Lesnar. I think it will be a guy that is relatively new and has a bigger chip on his shoulder than Fedor has. That guy will be the next superstar in MMA. Until the guys in UFC beat Fedor they will always be second best. What Dana says doesn't mean shit, he knows what Fedor is and what he can do even if he won't say it right now.

lol nice top 3

Yes I do, and I agree Fedor is a beast.. That is why I want him to fight the best and test himself. I would love a fight between Fedor and Lesnar, Nog and Fedor, even Mir and Cain against Fedor just for kicks...

Fedor beat Nog twice all ready, if I remember correctly.

Fedor beat Nog twice all ready, if I remember correctly.

that you do, and that was when Nog was in his prime, back in the pride days :D

Let's take it easy on the personal insults and make it a point to discuss MMA rather than taking cheap shots at other users.

On a side note, this is awesome:

http://i35.tinypic.com/1247bli.jpg

since nog has been in the ufc lets admit it, he's not the nog we seen in pride, his wars are catching up to him

I don't see the brilliance in this comment..

Big Nog actually looked very good in his last fight against Randy in the UFC. He schooled Randy on the ground, and handled him standing up.. Not many fighters have done that to Randy. Don't say Randy was too old and past his prime either. Randy showed up in that fight, fought hard and lost in every aspect.

Now that NOG is 100% healthy and training his ass off he maybe in the best fighting shape of his life. We may be seeing the best NOG right now infact in the UFC.. That is why I put him at #4 on my top HW ranking list.. Maybe he should even be higher as far as I am concerned..

Don't sell big Nog short right now as that would be a mistake... I'm actually looking forward to seeing him in his next fight.

HAHAHHAH That gif is great.

How the f*ck is Cain Velasquez number 3? Ooh he beat Ben Rothwell and Cheick Kongo. Aside from Brock and Fedor, they have no competition other than each other. I have him losing to a healthy Nog in a few months.

How the f*ck is Cain Velasquez number 3? Ooh he beat Ben Rothwell and Cheick Kongo. Aside from Brock and Fedor, they have no competition other than each other. I have him losing to a healthy Nog in a few months.

I actually agree, well said and stated. I also now think Big Nog would have a very good chance of beating out Cain Velasquez right now. Maybe I should have put Nog in front of Cain in the rankings.

It's like this - Will Cain be able to ground and pound Nog and stay ontop, or will Nog be able to sweep and possibly submit Cain.. Stand up will be close to even perhaps for both, maybe Cain with a slight advantage.. That is an interesting fight in my opinion.

Cain beat Cheick Kongo by UD so I don't see him staying on top of Nog for very long. Nog will beat him most likely by UD but he might pull off a sub. As bad as I hate to say it, even if Nog beats him, he won't beat Brock. I hate the guy but he's going to pound Nog out just not as easily as Mir.

I don't see the brilliance in this comment..

Big Nog actually looked very good in his last fight against Randy in the UFC. He schooled Randy on the ground, and handled him standing up.. Not many fighters have done that to Randy. Don't say Randy was too old and past his prime either. Randy showed up in that fight, fought hard and lost in every aspect.

Now that NOG is 100% healthy and training his ass off he maybe in the best fighting shape of his life. We may be seeing the best NOG right now infact in the UFC.. That is why I put him at #4 on my top HW ranking list.. Maybe he should even be higher as far as I am concerned..

Don't sell big Nog short right now as that would be a mistake... I'm actually looking forward to seeing him in his next fight.

since your knowledge shows that you are very very new to the sport i understand why you have such an opinion, but news flash, nog is NOT the best nog he has ever been right now..... nog in pride was alot faster, more defensive, and his stamina was alot better..... he threw more strikes and got hit fewer times back in pride, nog is not a slouch right now and he is a very game fighter but he is no where near the same nog he was back in pride

nog was in his prime in pride NOT ufc

On a side note, this is awesome:

http://i35.tinypic.com/1247bli.jpg

Yes it is. Damn a hit like that has to make a guy think about retiring. I'd like to add for those that would bash that statement that I am a ground guy with little striking skills.

Yes it is. Damn a hit like that has to make a guy think about retiring. I'd like to add for those that would bash that statement that I am a ground guy with little striking skills.

Yeah, man... That bomb was NASTY.



As a Judoka myself, I can tell you that Fedor is UNBELIEVABLY skilled in the clinch and from the top position.

Concerning the ground, usually, a problem with many Judokas (as well as wrestlers) is that Judokas will always try to give up their backs when they are mounted at all, even in a side mount, unless they're in a guard position... They do that because, if they don't, the opponent might score ippon for a pin.

Giving up their back prevents that, opening up the possibility of continuing ne-waza (ground work) again where they might be able to come back with a submission, choke or joint lock, or maybe even a pin of their own.



The way Fedor works on the ground, dominating from the top as well as dangerous from the bottom, is flat-out scary.


Also, he's one of the few cases where a grappler can be at that eilte level without being a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or Wrestling specialist.


Fedor's very unique... Love him or hate him, you're not going to find his brand of skills elsewhere (not even his brother). Like the Karate of Machida or GSP, the Muay Thai of Anderson Silva or Shogun, you're not going to find a Judo and Sambo expert as scary as Fedor at all... Not even K. Parisyan IMO.

Last Russian Judo and Sambo expert we had was Oleg Taktarov a LONG time ago... And he wasn't bad, but serioulsy got KTFO by Gary Goodridge in Pride a long time ago... When I say seriously, I mean he almost died. Look up the old videos and you'll see what I mean. His life was in danger after that fight IIRC. I think he stopped breathing for a little bit.

since your knowledge shows that you are very very new to the sport i understand why you have such an opinion, but news flash, nog is NOT the best nog he has ever been right now..... nog in pride was alot faster, more defensive, and his stamina was alot better..... he threw more strikes and got hit fewer times back in pride, nog is not a slouch right now and he is a very game fighter but he is no where near the same nog he was back in pride

I simply disagree with you based on the way NOG appeared, trained, and his overall health and performance in his last fight. Yes, the way he actually performed and pretty much dominated a game UFC legend named Captain Randy. Nog was sweeping and slapping submission attempts on Randy all fight long, matching Randy's strength and striking and then some. Randy was basically just surviving in that fight and you just don't see that happen too often.

I may not know much about MMA like you say, but I sure know what I saw in that fight.. What I saw was a refreshed Nog that looked absolutely great in the cage and should be considered a hand full for anyone that fights him next.. Anyone....

Hey, this is the first post where you didn't call me an idiot, I'll take "very very new to the sport" all day long instead, thanks:)

I simply disagree with you based on the way NOG appeared, trained, and his overall health and performance in his last fight. Yes, the way he actually performed and pretty much dominated a game UFC legend named Captain Randy. Nog was sweeping and slapping submission attempts on Randy all fight long, matching Randy's strength and striking and then some. Randy was basically just surviving in that fight and you just don't see that happen too often.

I may not know much about MMA like you say, but I sure know what I saw in that fight.. What I saw was a refreshed Nog that looked absolutely great in the cage and should be considered a hand full for anyone that fights him next.. Anyone....

Hey, this is the first post where you didn't call me an idiot, I'll take "very very new to the sport" all day long instead, thanks:)

JIBBBY, I will say, the Nog of Randy vs Nog is the best Nog perfomance in the UFC. That's for sure.

But not when you include Pride.

We will see gents, we will see.

I was so impressed with Nog's last performance I am now picking him to win his next fight against 7-0 Cain Velasquez.. I think he will suprise and submit the less experienced Cain Velasquez in UFC 108.. I can't wait to see that fight...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/10/antonio-nogueira-and-cain-velasquez-fight-title-sh/

I predict NOG will then go up against Brock Lesnar for the UFC HW championship.. Nog will them probably get man handled and pounded out unfortunately by the much bigger and stronger Lesnar.. It will be a fun ride to watch regardless...

I'm rooting for old school Nog..

We will see gents, we will see.

I was so impressed with Nog's last performance I am now picking him to win his next fight against 7-0 Cain Velasquez.. I think he will suprise and submit the less experienced Cain Velasquez in UFC 108.. I can't wait to see that fight...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov/10/antonio-nogueira-and-cain-velasquez-fight-title-sh/

I predict NOG will then go up against Brock Lesnar for the UFC HW championship.. Nog will them probably get man handled and pounded out unfortunately by the much bigger and stronger Lesnar.. It will be a fun ride to watch regardless...

I'm rooting for old school Nog..

Hey man, I'll be rooting for that class-act of a fighter no matter who he fights... Go NOG.


I thought it awesome to watch him and Randy fight... It was like the opposite of a Lesnar fight... A lot of class... Two TRUE martial artists in their own backgrounds, respecting and supporting each other with some memorable post-fight comments from each of them. I wish all MMA fights were like that one... I was cheering in my own house screaming I was so hyped up.

I hear you Bboy ^^^^^ I was still cheering for Randy in that one.. Had to go with the old guy. When Randy barely escaped some of the submission attempts by Nog in that fight, I was like go man go!!!! Anyone else I probably would have opted for NOG..

Same will be for the fight tomorrow night against Brandon Vera on Spike. I really hope Randy dominates that fight.:cheers:

I hear you Bboy ^^^^^ I was still cheering for Randy in that one.. Had to go with the old guy. When Randy barely escaped some of the submission attempts by Nog in that fight, I was like go man go!!!! Anyone else I probably would have opted for NOG..

Same will be for the fight tomorrow night against Brandon Vera on Spike. I really hope Randy dominates that fight.:cheers:


I'd like to start discussing 106... I wonder if someone should make a new thread or if we can just start shooting the shit here...

I'd like to start discussing 106... I wonder if someone should make a new thread or if we can just start shooting the shit here...

make a new one, otherwise Ven will tell everyone to stay on topic or make a new thread.

I did like Randy to win his first fight back at 205. Good showing for the old guy. I was really pulling for Randy in this one. I tell you Randy counldn't do much as far as take downs against Vera though.. Credit to Vera and his great take down defense.. You could clearly see that Randy was the more crafty and experienced veteran on this night after it was all said and done..

I must admit I felt Randy could have been got knocked out at any time in that fight..Vera definetely had the superior stand up skills when separated.. Those kicks by Vera were devestating and timed extremely well.

Mike Swick got used.. Swick looked anorexic and sick to me.. Move up in weight bud before you break one of those visible ribs!!!

Bisbing was big against Dennis in this one. I thought for a minute Bisbing was done in the first when he got rocked.. Credit Bisbing for coming back strong and beating a very good fighter in Dennis.. Nice hip excapes too by Bisbing in that fight when he was hurt.

As soon as Dennis was taken down the fight was basically over. I was really suprised to see that happen with Dennis being a solid BBJ and having a ton of MMA experience.

Good free card to watch all in all.

Watching Hardy fight was exciting... Great striking, and that's saying a lot about it when pitted against the fantastic striking of Swick.

Randy didn't do so bad, but he got zero takedowns on Vera and a few small shots on the inside of no consequence.

On the other hand, Vera threw two DEVASTATING round house kicks to Couture that were brutal, defended every single attempt at grappling by Couture, EVERY SINGLE ONE, and took down the Wrestling master himself, fully mounting the old-timer by the end of the fight, seconds before the bell.

Randy wins by LN'P, lean-against-the-cage-and-pray. lol

Machida's was a decision to keep or lose the title... Lots of disagreement about whether Shogun did enough in that respect, but in this three round, NON-TITLE fight I don't think Couture did enough to get a shot at Machida. I think Vera did more, but I'm not surprised. I can no longer predict what these judges are gonna do anymore.

I stayed quiet on the Machida decision because I really couldn't decide whether or not Shogun should win a championship title based on kicks landed on the champion's, The Dragon's, shins and thighs, but this decision was pure bullshit in my opinion SO FAR... I'm going to see the fight again, but I don't think I'll see it any differently. It was not a hard fight to score I think.

I did like Randy to win his first fight back at 205. Good showing for the old guy. I was really pulling for Randy in this one. I tell you Randy counldn't do much as far as take downs against Vera though.. Credit to Vera and his great take down defense.. You could clearly see that Randy was the more crafty and experienced veteran on this night after it was all said and done..

I must admit I felt Randy could have been got knocked out at any time in that fight..Vera definetely had the superior stand up skills when separated.. Those kicks by Vera were devestating and timed extremely well.

Mike Swick got used.. Swick looked anorexic and sick to me.. Move up in weight bud before you break one of those visible ribs!!!

Bisbing was big against Dennis in this one. I thought for a minute Bisbing was done in the first when he got rocked.. Credit Bisbing for coming back strong and beating a very good fighter in Dennis.. Nice hip excapes too by Bisbing in that fight when he was hurt.

As soon as Dennis was taken down the fight was basically over. I was really suprised to see that happen with Dennis being a solid BBJ and having a ton of MMA experience.

Good free card to watch all in all.

early christmas for machida and couture lol

I could see Randy doing the same thing to Machida that he did to Vera. I could also see Randy get knocked out cold by Machida when trying to get inside. Should be a good fight..

B-Boy- Randy controlled the entire fight and was the aggressor. He did what he needed to do to win that fight. I agree with this close decision.

When you think about it, besides a couple of really good kicks to the body and a quick full mount that was escaped at the end of a round Vera really didn't do much either.. Late in the fight Randy also got in some very good strikes to Vera's chin...

Randy had a game plan and executed it.. Vera did not..

I could see Randy doing the same thing to Machida that he did to Vera. I could also see Randy get knocked out cold by Machida when trying to get inside. Should be a good fight..

B-Boy- Randy controlled the entire fight and was the aggressor. He did what he needed to do to win that fight. I agree with this close decision.

When you think about it, besides a couple of really good kicks to the body and a quick full mount that was escaped at the end of a round Vera really didn't do much either.. Late in the fight Randy also got in some very good strikes to Vera's chin...

Randy had a game plan and executed it.. Vera did not..

Vera's gameplan was to COMPLETELY diffuse Couture's gameplan, which he did.

Couture's gameplan was NOT to hold Vera up against the cage for three rounds. That would be dumb! He was constantly going for double-leg takedowns... None of it worked AT ALL.

If someone holds up a man against the cage for three rounds while he attempts grappling maneuvers that ALL FAIL and still win, then hey I guess I'm wrong... I guess that's considered control now.

IMO, Octagon control and aggression is when a fighter dictates the stand-up game, striking or counter-striking, and dictates the grappling game, taking down, throwing, and/or outgrappling the opponent on the ground.

Randy did none of those things.

A Wall & Stall is just lamer version of Lay and Pray... At least for a Lay and Pray, the fighter had to take his opponent down first.

And what greater evidence did we need that Couture was completely stalling the fight than that the referee had to break them up SEVERAL times? Couture's strategy of winning a clinch war FAILED... It merely resulted in Vera sitting back and waiting for the referee to restart the stalled match. Couture presented ZERO threat to Vera... Not worthy of a win IMO.

Just the way I see it, though I would love for someone to challenge those points successfully.

Machida wouldn't be so kind as Vera either. lol

early christmas for machida and couture lol

lol,

Yeah, about Machida's I'm still on the fence (should have at least been a draw, justifying the re-match), but Couture's was a gift wrapped with bows and ribbons. lol

Ross looked very good against veteran Aaron Riley. He really beat the hell out of the Forrest Griffin clone looking Riley.

I sure picked that fight wrong...:cry:

Yeah, about Machida's I'm still on the fence (should have at least been a draw, justifying the re-match), but Couture's was a gift wrapped with bows and ribbons. lol

Thats funny i see it as the other way around.

Yeah, about Couture's I'm still on the fence (should have at least been a draw, justifying the re-match), but Machida's was a gift wrapped with bows and ribbons. lol

In my opinion... Maybe not a draw but i am on the Fence about Vera vs. Couture

lol,

Yeah, about Machida's I'm still on the fence (should have at least been a draw, justifying the re-match), but Couture's was a gift wrapped with bows and ribbons. lol

From the sound of it with them talking to Randy in the cage it looks like he is going to climb the ladder and not fight the winner or Machida and Rua.



Look at what what Big Country did to Kimbo, he pretty much stayed on top of Kimbo.....

Randy did what he does a lot and that is wear people out, Vera is not the first he had against the cage nor will he be the last..... He tried many times to take Vera down, failed many times yes but in the end he was the agressor and when Vera took him down he got out and when Vera got him against the cage he reversed it quickly.

I can't see the UFC letting Randy have Machida before Machida fights Rua again...... I doubt Randy would object to that at all. Another fight for him to watch and see how Machida adapts or changes his game plan from the last fight.

Randy may have got this fight gift raped but it was in his contract and in the end it is buisness and in the end it is good buisness for him and for the UFC win or loose..

For any who listend to Randy's intro last night should cut him some slack here and there.

I am a huge Randy fan and can honestly say I would rather see him fight a few more people at 205 but lets be honest...... how many fights did Brock have before he got his title shot???? And that was AFTER a loss to Mir....


I thought the fight could go either way for the decision but knew that Randy had the edge because he was the agressor....... yeah Randy was not able to do a lot but Vera did not seem to be able to impose his will for longer then a few seconds......


Bad news for a few people...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AkRjL.DOcPukxq_iKSa3OFw9Eo14?slug=dm-injuries111409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Look at what what Big Country did to Kimbo, he pretty much stayed on top of Kimbo.....



Is holding someone against a fence and doing nothing with it imposing your will?

Why doesn't someone answer this for me?


Why did the referee need to break up Couture from Vera (NOT stopping the fight)?

Why did the TUF referee need to STOP Roy from fighting Slice (NOT breaking up/pausing the fight), giving him the win?


Roy was WINNING in BORING fashion. Couture was STALLING the fight in BORING fashion.

HUGE difference, thus the different referee actions. I would like to see someone, again, argue this successfully.

I don't see how holding someone up against a fence, while doing nothing (hence, the referee break-ups), is imposing your will unless your will is to hide from strikes and stall the fight.

I'm not arguing it wasn't a boring strategy... It was boring.

I'm arguing it was boring AND not meriting a win.


If someone can be bring forth a convincing argument that Couture was scoring points, rather, DESERVED the points he scored implementing a strategy that prompted the referee to ADDRESS A STALLING OF THE FIGHT several times, I'd really like to see it...









The referee did not need to tell Machida to start fighting... They were fighting... Couture was doing nothing... He attempted a few double-legs and otherwise pinned Vera against a cage... Some of you are saying he executed his game plan successfully... Was his game plan to stall the fight? That's what happened.

So, now we are at a crossroads... Pick one:

1. His gameplan WAS to stall the fight (This is the absurd choice).

2. His gameplan was to grapple Vera, it's just that NONE of it worked, thus stalling the fight FOR THREE ROUNDS (This is the reasonable choice).



Now think how dumb it sounds when someone says he executed his gameplan... Think about it, in light of the above.

Bad news for a few people...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AkRjL.DOcPukxq_iKSa3OFw9Eo14?slug=dm-injuries111409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns



Yes, the UFC HW division, the best MMA division in the world...

Is holding someone against a fence and doing nothing with it imposing your will?

Why doesn't someone answer this for me?


Why did the referee need to break up Couture from Vera (NOT stopping the fight)?

Why did the TUF referee need to STOP Roy from fighting Slice (NOT breaking up/pausing the fight), giving him the win?


Roy was WINNING in BORING fashion. Couture was STALLING the fight in BORING fashion.

HUGE difference, thus the different referee actions. I would like to see someone, again, argue this successfully.

I don't see how holding someone up against a fence, while doing nothing (hence, the referee break-ups), is imposing your will unless your will is to hide from strikes and stall the fight.

I'm not arguing it wasn't a boring strategy... It was boring.

I'm arguing it was boring AND not meriting a win.


If someone can be bring forth a convincing argument that Couture was scoring points, rather, DESERVED the points he scored implementing a strategy that prompted the referee to ADDRESS A STALLING OF THE FIGHT several times, I'd really like to see it...









The referee did not need to tell Machida to start fighting... They were fighting... Couture was doing nothing... He attempted a few double-legs and otherwise pinned Vera against a cage... Some of you are saying he executed his game plan successfully... Was his game plan to stall the fight? That's what happened.

So, now we are at a crossroads... Pick one:

1. His gameplan WAS to stall the fight (This is the absurd choice).

2. His gameplan was to grapple Vera, it's just that NONE of it worked, thus stalling the fight FOR THREE ROUNDS (This is the reasonable choice).



Now think how dumb it sounds when someone says he executed his gameplan... Think about it, in light of the above.

Why could Vera not get off the cage? Younger, taller, faster........ Because he could not.

Boring fight yes, I would not say that Randy stole the fight...... Vera tried many times to get off the cage and could not..... Brock had Mir against the cage and punched his face in and nobody really complained about that.... well some did...... In the end you gotta do what you gotta do to win, Nelson knew how to beat Kimbo so he did. Randy knew that strinking with Vera would ned badly for him so he tried to wear him out but Vera did not wear out.... it was a battle of will's if you ask me and Randy got the win because he was the agressor.

Yes he did stall it out but I think it was because he was trying to wear him out and it did not work.... and like I said...... Vera was only able to get off the cage a few times but then ended up on the cage again quickly and when he got Randy on the ground it did not last long.......


On the link... people get sick...... it is not like they are loosing in fights....... Carwin knows Brock will be out for a while so he got the surgery.... can't knock that and with the way Nog looked agains Mir and then later Coutuer you can't blame him for getting out......... the other weight classes are stong enough to keep the UFC rolling with most of the top HW guys out.

Why could Vera not get off the cage? Younger, taller, faster........ Because he could not.

So then it was Couture's plan to just leave him there? So then Couture WAS trying to stall the fight... Sorry, I don't think Couture was trying to stall the fight.

Boring fight yes, I would not say that Randy stole the fight...... Vera tried many times to get off the cage and could not..... Brock had Mir against the cage and punched his face in and nobody really complained about that.... well some did...... In the end you gotta do what you gotta do to win, Nelson knew how to beat Kimbo so he did. Randy knew that strinking with Vera would ned badly for him so he tried to wear him out but Vera did not wear out.... it was a battle of will's if you ask me and Randy got the win because he was the agressor.

Vera was younger, taller, faster AND THAT'S WHY COUTURE could not take him down and inadvertently stall the fight instead.

Sometimes, a better fighter cannot help it if an opponent is stalling a fight.

Yes he did stall it out but I think it was because he was trying to wear him out and it did not work.... and like I said...... Vera was only able to get off the cage a few times but then ended up on the cage again quickly and when he got Randy on the ground it did not last long.......

It lasted a hell of alot longer than Couture getting Vera on the ground.



It seems you cannot come up with a good reason why holding someone up against a fence, while they defend all your takedowns and while ref's come in and have to break it up several times, makes a better MMA fighter.

Meanwhile, Vera defended all takedowns, succeeded in his takedown, and scored better strikes when he WASN'T being stalled by Couture, who was unsuccessful at all grappling exchanges in the center AND against the cage.

Putting someone against a fence is not a "move." You have to do something with it.



Let me put it this way...

Should Roy Nelson have won if he laid on top of Kimbo for three rounds while not throwing any strikes and being stood up by the referee several times?

Why wasn't Couture throwing any worthwhile strikes at the fence? Oh, that's right, because he was too busy attempting unsuccessful takedowns...

"Imposing your will," can mean anything now, I guess.

Randy was landing some pretty good hits when he had Vera against the cage. Randy was trying to wear Vera out and did not give up on that. I am not aruing that he did not stall the fight but in the end it was classic Couture trying to wear people out.... For the most part his fights are very exciting.... big deal if a few are boring.

Everyone knew he would loose standing with Vera.... he tried many times to get Vera on the ground, failed but kept trying...... Vera landed some hard shots but could not finish, Randy had him against tha cage and landed an equal number or hard shots to Vera.

Vera is younger, taller, stronger..... he was off the cage more then a few times but got put back against the cage........ Yeah the ref had to pull them off the cage a few times but were did it go back to? The cage.... why could a younger, faster, taller fighter not keep it off the cage all those times....... or kick Randy so hard that he fell over facing the wrong direction and not be able to finish it?


I read this on Yahoo after I made the original post....

Sums up my thoughts.

"Couture (17-10) controlled the octagon, as much of the fight was fought in the clinch against the cage with Couture imposing his will and Vera not cracking. Vera did more physical damage and won the second round, the only round that was clear-cut.

The first and third rounds were close enough that they could have gone either way, and by no means was the decision outrageous, even though announcer Joe Rogan was strong in his interview with the belief Vera won and that it was part of a string of bad decisions in the sport.

It was not a crowd-pleasing main event after one of the company’s best undercards of late. The UFC’s European record-setting sellout crowd of 16,693, drawing approximately $2 million, booed the fight several times when the action stalled.

Couture worked the first part of his game plan, which was to tie up Vera in a Greco-Roman clinch, tire him out, eventually take him down and finish him. He continually got the clinch during the fight, but he didn’t tire Vera out and wasn’t able to throw him or get him off his feet except for one time in the first round. Vera was back up immediately without any damage.

The match came down to the third round, and Couture scored with his dirty boxing, largely punches off the clinch, and he was winning the early part of the round. But Vera (11-4) came back with strong body kicks late in the round and Vera actually took Couture down with 43 seconds left, which many cageside credited as the deciding move of the fight. Couture was up just before the finish and the two swung away for an exciting conclusion to an otherwise slow fight."

None of that addresses how pinning someone against a fence, repeatedly failing in attempts to grapple toward a better position scores points...

I could see how the kicks to the legs of Machida from Rua needed to be given more recognition in the scoring system they use...

But if now pinning people against a fence for three minutes is Octagon control, which means dictating where the fight takes place in the Octagon, then the UFC is becoming a joke.

If you're gonna give him Octagon control points for pinning someone against a fence and doing nothing, then you're stating that's a winning strategy. If you're going to give him credit for that strategy, then he has to "own" it. If it was HIS strategy to pin someone against the fence for three rounds and stall the fight, then he is basically a sorry excuse for an MMA fighter now, something I don't want to believe.

That was NOT his strategy, and that is NOT A strategy... That is STALLING as a result of his grappling not being enough for anything other that holding someone against a fence... That is NOT mma or even wrestling for his own sake... If that was a wrestling match, he would have lost. Now, throw strikes in there. Vera had the better striking anyway.

Octagon control is dictating where the fight takes place in the Octagon.

I assure, Randy had no intentions of taking the fight to the fence and staying there for three rounds, making little to no successful strikes and making no successful attempt to outgrapple Vera either.

THUS, why the referee had to break it up so often... If it WAS Octagon control, THE REF WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO BREAK IT UP... He broke it up, often, because it was NOT Octagon control... It was walling and stalling... For three rounds at that... Walling and stalling, requiring action from the referee.

I respect your opinion, but I do feel it comes up short when trying to equate the CLEAR walling and stalling of Couture, walling and stalling that even the referee saw, with the scoring rubric of Octagon Control.

I agree that Randy did not walk in planning to hold him against the cage... I think he knew he had to get him on the ground and when get got kicked and fell over that at that point he knew he had to keep him against the cage and hope to get him down.

Randy did land hits with Vera against the cage and did reverse Vera when Vers put him against the cage...... it's not like he was just leaning against him...... I just don't think Vera could say much considering it was obvious that Vera was faster in that fight not to mention the age and height difference.

In a 5 round fight doing what he did I think he would have lost but how many people at 205 are on par with Randy's clintch and ground game? I honestly think that the reason he could not get Vera down is because Vera is rather close to Randy's skills if not a little under rated and has some under rated conditioning. Randy could not get him down because of these factors and did what he had to do to win.

I thinke he could have and should have gone for more strikes against the cage though... he started to then backed off and that suprised me...... If he would have kept kneeing and striking I think he would have looked better and would have resulted in less split up's..... would have also wore Vera out more.........


He also did give props to Vera..... it is nice to see both fighters in a fight giving mutual respect to each other and not having to listen to all the trash talk.

I agree that Randy did not walk in planning to hold him against the cage... I think he knew he had to get him on the ground and when get got kicked and fell over that at that point he knew he had to keep him against the cage and hope to get him down.

Randy did land hits with Vera against the cage and did reverse Vera when Vers put him against the cage...... it's not like he was just leaning against him...... I just don't think Vera could say much considering it was obvious that Vera was faster in that fight not to mention the age and height difference.

In a 5 round fight doing what he did I think he would have lost but how many people at 205 are on par with Randy's clintch and ground game? I honestly think that the reason he could not get Vera down is because Vera is rather close to Randy's skills if not a little under rated and has some under rated conditioning. Randy could not get him down because of these factors and did what he had to do to win.

I thinke he could have and should have gone for more strikes against the cage though... he started to then backed off and that suprised me...... If he would have kept kneeing and striking I think he would have looked better and would have resulted in less split up's..... would have also wore Vera out more.........


He also did give props to Vera..... it is nice to see both fighters in a fight giving mutual respect to each other and not having to listen to all the trash talk.

Yeah, that's because both these fighters are real MMA guys, not PR whores like Lesnar. They both had alot of great post fight comments.


You should note though that Couture did say in his PF interview that he would not have been surprised or disappointed if the decision went to Vera.

I agree with him!

And Vera did blame himself for not finishing the fight and letting it go to the judges... Hinting politely at the incompetence of the judges.

I agree with him too! lol

Yeah, that's because both these fighters are real MMA guys, not PR whores like Lesnar. They both had alot of great post fight comments.


You should note though that Couture did say in his PF interview that he would not have been surprised or disappointed if the decision went to Vera.

I agree with him!

And Vera did blame himself for not finishing the fight and letting it go to the judges... Hinting politely at the incompetence of the judges.

I agree with him too! lol

Agreed, If Vera would have won I would have been a little ticked because I knew Randy was the agressor but I knew that he did not do a lot not to mentioned what happend with the Rua Machida fight.

Yeah even Randy hinted at the Machida Rua fight with it going to the judges... I agree both kinda made a polite gripe to the judges...... after tonight and the Machida Rua fight I think everyone knows it is not smart to let it go to the judges...



With a better performance by Couture I bet they would have allready announced Couture Vs winer of Machida Rua 2.... Now I bet he will have to fight at least one more time before he gets the title shot...... maybe winer of Griffin Ortiz.......

I am sure then you will feel a little better about his tittle shot being gift wraped hahaha :)

to the people talking about randy couture.....

was it a boring fight, yes..... BUT this was randy's game plan

hmm, im fighting a guy thats faster than me, alot better striker and kicks like a mule..... the only thing i got on him is wrestling...... well, cuz he is faster and his striking is superior i would be dumb to try and stand with him..... and he kicks like a mule and kicks very quickly so if i stand in front of him i would be dumb to do that too.....well what if i use my wrestling advantage to get inside his kicks and strikes and try to take him down...... yeah that will work, since he is faster and his kicks and strikes pose a threat, if i wear him out it will slow him down so as each round goes by his quickness will fade and it will be easier to get inside to wear him out more

in a 3 round fight its hard to wear someone out completely, its easier in a 5 round championship fight, but it can be done in a 3 round'er

remember the florian vs bj penn fight...... this is the same game plan florian had, but..... florian isn't the master at wearing people down like randy is, and because of that florian wore himself out

brandon vera is a very lethal striker, very fast and kicks like a mule, randy knew he had to get in close to vera to avoid his kicks, and make it a wrestling match, randy cannot beat vera in a striking match, he knows this so his best bet was to make brandon wrestle him and wear him down

after the fight did anyone see vera??? did he raise his hands like most people do in a close match that they think they might have won??? NO, he could hardly breathe, he took a knee outside the cage cuz he was soo gassed he had to stop and catch his breath to make it back to the locker room, this proves randy did his job, randy looked like he could go another 3 rounds and vera had to stop everything to try and catch his breath.....

if the fight would have been a 5 rounder, it is safe to say that brandon would have folded in the 4th and randy would have won by tko

styles make fights, and anytime someones game plan is to wear someone down it usually ends up being boring, but it was the safest bet for randy simply because vera is the superior striker, alot faster, and is very very good at picking people apart with strikes

to the people talking about randy couture.....

was it a boring fight, yes..... BUT this was randy's game plan

hmm, im fighting a guy thats faster than me, alot better striker and kicks like a mule..... the only thing i got on him is wrestling...... well, cuz he is faster and his striking is superior i would be dumb to try and stand with him..... and he kicks like a mule and kicks very quickly so if i stand in front of him i would be dumb to do that too.....well what if i use my wrestling advantage to get inside his kicks and strikes and try to take him down...... yeah that will work, since he is faster and his kicks and strikes pose a threat, if i wear him out it will slow him down so as each round goes by his quickness will fade and it will be easier to get inside to wear him out more

in a 3 round fight its hard to wear someone out completely, its easier in a 5 round championship fight, but it can be done in a 3 round'er

remember the florian vs bj penn fight...... this is the same game plan florian had, but..... florian isn't the master at wearing people down like randy is, and because of that florian wore himself out

brandon vera is a very lethal striker, very fast and kicks like a mule, randy knew he had to get in close to vera to avoid his kicks, and make it a wrestling match, randy cannot beat vera in a striking match, he knows this so his best bet was to make brandon wrestle him and wear him down

after the fight did anyone see vera??? did he raise his hands like most people do in a close match that they think they might have won??? NO, he could hardly breathe, he took a knee outside the cage cuz he was soo gassed he had to stop and catch his breath to make it back to the locker room, this proves randy did his job, randy looked like he could go another 3 rounds and vera had to stop everything to try and catch his breath.....

if the fight would have been a 5 rounder, it is safe to say that brandon would have folded in the 4th and randy would have won by tko

styles make fights, and anytime someones game plan is to wear someone down it usually ends up being boring, but it was the safest bet for randy simply because vera is the superior striker, alot faster, and is very very good at picking people apart with strikes

I already posted counterpoints to everything you've stated...

You don't wear a person down by pressing them against a fence and stalling the fight, requiring several restarts by the referee.

BJ's can be called a successful strategy BECAUSE it worked. It primed Florian to be taken down.

His (Randy's) gameplan to wear Vera out and prime him to be taken down was to use the clinch, preferably against the cage, and to pit his Greco-Roman wrestling against Vera's to prevent him from escaping AN ACTIVE CLINCH. By "active," I mean of course successful striking on the inside and a takedown... There's NO POINT to Wrestling, GR or Freestyle, other than to take the opponent down, usually from the clinch (In the case of GR, always from the clinch). That's it.

If Randy's game plan was to wear him out in the clinch, he failed. Vera could have kept going too, give me a break. If Randy's game plan was to use inside striking in the clinch, he did poorly. If Randy's plan was to prime Vera, getting him off-balance, for a takedown, he did not succeed there either. If Randy's game plan was to hold his position in the clinch against the fence, stalling the fight, then he succeeded.

BUT THAT was not his gameplan... His gameplan DID NOT SUCCEED because the only thing that succeeded was a perpetual walling and stalling... For three rounds. I DOUBT that that was what he was trying to do...

What he did try, though, did not succeed.

But walling and stalling an opponent is enough to score points under "Octagon Control." I know, I am aware of this... I just don't see the point to be under the delusion of calling it something else, like Randy's "Game Plan." Please, Randy knows that was not his gameplan... His real game plan would have been much more dictating of MMA point-scoring, e.g. dirty boxing, GR Wrestling takedowns, submission attempts or Gn'P in that order. His game plan was not what we saw. It DISCREDITS him to say so, IMO.

So, believe me, I state my opinion out of the utmost respect and admiration for the legend, Randy Couture.

yeah, about the heavyweights,

lesnar fell down and almost passed out and had to be rushed to the hospital, he has more than mono and has requested to keep his "disease" private and no to be released to the media

so because of this, shane carwin got a knee surgery that he needed so they will both be out for a while and suppose to fight each other at a much later date

big nog has a bad staph infection again and was hospitalized

there has been nobody scheduled to step in and fight cain since nog is out

rolles gracie is scheduled to fight mustapha al-turk at ufc 109, maybe they can cancel that fight and put in rolles gracie and test him against cain, i think that would be a good fight

other than cain, right now they just have kongo and frank mir...... i sure wish they had fedor, werdum, arlovski, josh barnett, alistair overeem, big foot silva and a few others...... wait,.... thats that other mma company with all the good heavyweights right now..... lol

other than cain, right now they just have kongo and frank mir...... i sure wish they had fedor, werdum, arlovski, josh barnett, alistair overeem, big foot silva and a few others...... wait,.... thats that other mma company with all the good heavyweights right now..... lol


SSSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Don't say that! Could get you killed around here! lol

ONLY THE UFC HAS THE BEST HW's.

Dana says Strikeforce is rinky dink, so there we have it... The Gospel. lol

SSSHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Don't say that! Could get you killed around here! lol

ONLY THE UFC HAS THE BEST HW's.

Dana says Strikeforce is rinky dink, so there we have it... The Gospel. lol

LOL.:cheers: The Couture - Vera fight was the best cage pushing match I've ever seen.:cry: THAT WAS SOME BORING ASS SHIT.

I already posted counterpoints to everything you've stated...

You don't wear a person down by pressing them against a fence and stalling the fight, requiring several restarts by the referee.

BJ's can be called a successful strategy BECAUSE it worked. It primed Florian to be taken down.

His (Randy's) gameplan to wear Vera out and prime him to be taken down was to use the clinch, preferably against the cage, and to pit his Greco-Roman wrestling against Vera's to prevent him from escaping AN ACTIVE CLINCH. By "active," I mean of course successful striking on the inside and a takedown... There's NO POINT to Wrestling, GR or Freestyle, other than to take the opponent down, usually from the clinch (In the case of GR, always from the clinch). That's it.

If Randy's game plan was to wear him out in the clinch, he failed. Vera could have kept going too, give me a break. If Randy's game plan was to use inside striking in the clinch, he did poorly. If Randy's plan was to prime Vera, getting him off-balance, for a takedown, he did not succeed there either. If Randy's game plan was to hold his position in the clinch against the fence, stalling the fight, then he succeeded.

BUT THAT was not his gameplan... His gameplan DID NOT SUCCEED because the only thing that succeeded was a perpetual walling and stalling... For three rounds. I DOUBT that that was what he was trying to do...

What he did try, though, did not succeed.

But walling and stalling an opponent is enough to score points under "Octagon Control." I know, I am aware of this... I just don't see the point to be under the delusion of calling it something else, like Randy's "Game Plan." Please, Randy knows that was not his gameplan... His real game plan would have been much more dictating of MMA point-scoring, e.g. dirty boxing, GR Wrestling takedowns, submission attempts or Gn'P in that order. His game plan was not what we saw. It DISCREDITS him to say so, IMO.

So, believe me, I state my opinion out of the utmost respect and admiration for the legend, Randy Couture.

you have never fought in mma competition have you??? obviously not

putting vera against the fence DID WEAR VERA DOWN.....

did you watch this fight in a bar or something and not been able to hear the audio???

did you listen to the audio during the ufc??? at all??? did you not hear the commentating in the fights leading up to the randy/vera fight and alot during the hardy/swick fight that it dosent look like it but pinning your opponent against the fence will WEAR them out......

mike goldberg and joe rogan said this several times......

to the untrained eye it just looks like they are standing against the fence, stalling and doing nothing, BUT they are doing ALOT and i mean ALOT.....

every little move randy does to vera, vera has to counter with more strength..... if not then randy could have taken him down...... every little move randy did vera had to react more with more leverage to keep his stance and balance, if not he would get taken down..... its a chess match of base, stance, balance, and strength. and every little move requires ALOT of strength

THIS WEARS PEOPLE DOWN.....QUICKLY

if all randy was doing is walling and stalling then why couldn't vera just get out and take the center of the octagon and make it a striking match??? huh??? because thats a hell of alot easier said then done, vera would have loved to take the center of the cage and make it a kickboxing match but he couldn't...... AND WHY COULDN'T HE??? cuz randy was pinning vera against the cage and every time vera moved randy would re-adjust and make it harder for vera to move, this wears vera out

you said if randys game plan was to wear vera out in the clinch then he failed.... lol, that is exactly what randy did AND VERA EVEN SAID IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD TO ESCAPE AND IT WORE HIS ASS OUT

i dont blame you for calling it the way you see it, BUT i do blame you for having such a biased opinion on something that you obviously have zero experience with

to the untrained eye, you have no clue as to what is really going on, kinda like everyone that says hey they are on the ground being all gay, not noticing the years of skill & technique being showcased on the ground

and you obviously didnt see vera after that fight, HE COULDN'T BREATHE, HE KEPT STOPPING TO CATCH HIS BREATH..... and randy could talk through whole sentences without stopping to breathe

i guess you have NEVER pushed yourself that hard in anything to where you are completely out of breath and cant finish a sentence without trying to catch your breath, also you cant keep walking so you have to stop and try to catch your breath...... if you have been in this situation several times before then you could easily see that vera was wore out and randy wasn't

i like how you say how brandon was feeling saying he could also go more rounds if needed and randy was just as tired, but brandon vera himself says differently

watch the post fight press conference, brandon vera HIMSELF said that "he got to pummel with randy on the fence and IT WAS NO EASY ASS TASK AT ALL BY ANY MEANS, AND IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN AT THAT GRECO LEVEL TO PUMMEL WITH ANYBODY OF RANDYS CALIBER BEFORE ITS A WRAP WHEN YOU HIT THE GROUND"

the reason why he said its a wrap when you hit the ground is because randy wears you out and when you are wore down so much that you cant defend the takedown then randy will get on top and ground and pound you out easily cuz you will be too gassed to defend anything at that point

If I had my way there would be no such thing as stand-ups or clinch breaks. If you can't break a clinch or escape a bad position, that's your fault, and you should lose a decision if you spend the full 15/25 minutes under the physical control of another human being.

If I had my way there would be no such thing as stand-ups or clinch breaks. If you can't break a clinch or escape a bad position, that's your fault, and you should lose a decision if you spend the full 15/25 minutes under the physical control of another human being.

I agree if you are physically dominated, meaning you have no control over what happens to you, for 2 minutes its over. It would force the guys with no grappling skills to step up their game. It would also give the guys with great grappling skills an advantage over the brawlers. I think it would cleanse the sport of wannabes. MMA is supposed to showcase the best all around fighters in the world.

If I had my way there would be no such thing as stand-ups or clinch breaks. If you can't break a clinch or escape a bad position, that's your fault, and you should lose a decision if you spend the full 15/25 minutes under the physical control of another human being.

I agree if you are physically dominated, meaning you have no control over what happens to you, for 2 minutes its over. It would force the guys with no grappling skills to step up their game. It would also give the guys with great grappling skills an advantage over the brawlers. I think it would cleanse the sport of wannabes. MMA is supposed to showcase the best all around fighters in the world.

Part of me agrees and the other part disagrees. I do like the pure aspect of a fight where they are just playing chess without interferance. It alsos tops refs from messing up a guys game plan.

Also there would not be nearly as many fans which means there would be less quality fighters if that were the case. I liked the yellow card in pride (go ahead and flame) but i know when the fighters started to lose their money they sure would fight and put on a better show.

you have never fought in mma competition have you??? obviously not

putting vera against the fence DID WEAR VERA DOWN.....

did you watch this fight in a bar or something and not been able to hear the audio???

did you listen to the audio during the ufc??? at all??? did you not hear the commentating in the fights leading up to the randy/vera fight and alot during the hardy/swick fight that it dosent look like it but pinning your opponent against the fence will WEAR them out......

mike goldberg and joe rogan said this several times......

to the untrained eye it just looks like they are standing against the fence, stalling and doing nothing, BUT they are doing ALOT and i mean ALOT.....

every little move randy does to vera, vera has to counter with more strength..... if not then randy could have taken him down...... every little move randy did vera had to react more with more leverage to keep his stance and balance, if not he would get taken down..... its a chess match of base, stance, balance, and strength. and every little move requires ALOT of strength

THIS WEARS PEOPLE DOWN.....QUICKLY

if all randy was doing is walling and stalling then why couldn't vera just get out and take the center of the octagon and make it a striking match??? huh??? because thats a hell of alot easier said then done, vera would have loved to take the center of the cage and make it a kickboxing match but he couldn't...... AND WHY COULDN'T HE??? cuz randy was pinning vera against the cage and every time vera moved randy would re-adjust and make it harder for vera to move, this wears vera out

you said if randys game plan was to wear vera out in the clinch then he failed.... lol, that is exactly what randy did AND VERA EVEN SAID IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD TO ESCAPE AND IT WORE HIS ASS OUT

i dont blame you for calling it the way you see it, BUT i do blame you for having such a biased opinion on something that you obviously have zero experience with

to the untrained eye, you have no clue as to what is really going on, kinda like everyone that says hey they are on the ground being all gay, not noticing the years of skill & technique being showcased on the ground

and you obviously didnt see vera after that fight, HE COULDN'T BREATHE, HE KEPT STOPPING TO CATCH HIS BREATH..... and randy could talk through whole sentences without stopping to breathe

i guess you have NEVER pushed yourself that hard in anything to where you are completely out of breath and cant finish a sentence without trying to catch your breath, also you cant keep walking so you have to stop and try to catch your breath...... if you have been in this situation several times before then you could easily see that vera was wore out and randy wasn't

i like how you say how brandon was feeling saying he could also go more rounds if needed and randy was just as tired, but brandon vera himself says differently

watch the post fight press conference, brandon vera HIMSELF said that "he got to pummel with randy on the fence and IT WAS NO EASY ASS TASK AT ALL BY ANY MEANS, AND IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN AT THAT GRECO LEVEL TO PUMMEL WITH ANYBODY OF RANDYS CALIBER BEFORE ITS A WRAP WHEN YOU HIT THE GROUND"

the reason why he said its a wrap when you hit the ground is because randy wears you out and when you are wore down so much that you cant defend the takedown then randy will get on top and ground and pound you out easily cuz you will be too gassed to defend anything at that point

#1 Who said it didn't wear Vera down? Two guys clinching is going to wear each one out, both the defending grappler and the attacking grappler in the case of a stalemate. With strikes, the striker may chip away and wear out the defender more, but Randy was way too frugal with his striking.

#2 I know they were doing alot... I know grappling dude. It's all I know. I actually disagree that the fight was boring actually. It was a boring MMA match, but it was an exciting grappling contest. I've been a Judoka for years, and I'm well aware of the intricacies of the standing clinch, gi and no-gi. I was on the edge of my seat as they switched arm positions, shifted their weight, and made attempts to break each other's balance... I was biting my nails with every twitch of Randy's, expecting Vera to fly.

#3 I have exhausted my opponents clinching before... Funny thing is, it also exhausts the exhauster... Strictly grappling, that is what happens. Now, like I said, throw striking in the clinch, and you can begin to wear the defender more, not just yourself.

#4 I've been polite to you, so please watch your language with me, e.g. "You have no clue." Please don't make assumptions about me without knowing. No gi Judo and Greco Roman Wrestling are VERY similar. I've made no claim about you, so please, don't make those remarks to me, dude. They're not very nice. :)

Just discuss this with me like two combat sports fans... We're supposed to be fans of the same thing, not enemies.



Now, look, the Greco-Roman clinch only has ONE purpose... To take someone down... Randy, no matter how worn you think Vera was, DID NOT TAKE HIM DOWN. Thus, no Gn'P from Couture this time. A shame, since we all know how good it is from him.

Randy's next merit COULD have been great striking in the clinch, another FAMED and AMAZING facet of Couture's, a striking aspect in the UFC in fact that is accredited mostly to him for evolving it.

Randy did well in holding someone up against a fence and nullifying him, sometimes stalling it. His inside striking did not impress me this time. Not bad.

Vera did well in nullifying any action from Randy in the clinch he was being put it, sometimes BEAUTIFULLY striking Randy with those two kicks. Not bad either. So, could have been a draw, MMA-wise, to me... But is was close. This was not a clear win of Randy's for me.




It looked like a boring MMA match to me. However, it looked like TENSE wrestling match. It did NOT look like a unanimous decision to me,

AND NEITHER DID IT TO BOTH VERA AND COUTURE, the fighters that were in there and knew a hell of alot more than you OR me.

If I had my way there would be no such thing as stand-ups or clinch breaks. If you can't break a clinch or escape a bad position, that's your fault, and you should lose a decision if you spend the full 15/25 minutes under the physical control of another human being.

If I had my way,

there'd be no rounds, no gloves (unless you wished to wear some), wrestlers could wear light shoes, gi's could be allowed, etc.

More Vale Tudo...

But this not Vale Tudo... This is the modern sport of MMA, as envisioned by Dana...

By the rules the UFC currently has (Which I also DON'T like, Vendetta!), the break ups are a result of "stalling." And by those rules, it's either stalling OR Octagon control. By the ref's actions, I saw more stalling I thought, but clearly Couture was getting points for Octagon control.

I'm okay with that, I'm just under no illusion that it was nothing more. It was either not enough of a wrestling offensive from Couture, or it was a great wrestling defense on the part of Vera... In real Greco-Roman Wrestling, you don't have a fence... I thought Vera did fantastic with his clinch wrestling... Randy was stumped every time he tried to progress from the clinch, IMO.

Randy got MMA points because that's the way the UFC works, but his performance did not sell me, and even Couture was ready for the decision that he lost. He said so himself in the post fight interview... He said he would not have been disappointed if he lost the decision. But I guess some people here know more than Randy.

He's still a class act btw.

If I had my way there would be no such thing as stand-ups or clinch breaks. If you can't break a clinch or escape a bad position, that's your fault, and you should lose a decision if you spend the full 15/25 minutes under the physical control of another human being.

My point times infinity to the infinity power.

#1 Who said it didn't wear Vera down?

#2 I know they were doing alot...

#3 I have exhausted my opponents clinching before... Funny thing is, it also exhausts the exhauster...

#1 you did, and i quote,

You don't wear a person down by pressing them against a fence and stalling the fight, requiring several restarts by the referee.

Randy's gameplan DID NOT SUCCEED because the only thing that succeeded was a perpetual walling and stalling

#2 really??? cuz in one post you say they were walling and stalling, but in another you say they are doing alot..... these two statements are total opposites of each other, so which one is it???

#3 you have exhausted your opponents in the clinch before??? really??? you said randy couldn't wear vera down against the fence in the clinch??? you also stated that it exhaust the exhauster..... true if you're not randy couture, watch the post fight press conference, brandon vera himself says a guy at randy's greco level will wear your ass out quick..... and guess what...... randy wasn't near as gassed as vera, just watch how the two are acting directly after the fight, vera was very gassed and talked about it in the press conference and randy wasn't gassed..... randy specializes in wearing people out with constant pressure while keeping his composure and stamina and then really pushes the pressure as he senses his opponent wearing out..... i wouldn't compare randys legendary work in the clinch to your's...... i dont think you specialize in wearing people out like he does and he does it while using minimal effort to save his stamina for later rounds..... so basically saying this tactic exhaust the exhauster is stupid, thats saying randy was wearing himself out while trying to wear out vera, this is very dumb, especially when randy has built his reputation and style on that exact thing and something he has specialized in over several years.....

there have been several big name fighters that spar with randy at extreme couture and they have all stated in interviews that randy wears people out and then turns up the pressure when he knows you're gassing

how do you think his ground and pound is so legendary??? cuz a worn out and tired opponent can't defend against randy's wrestling and will fold under pressure once randy wears them out, he has used this game plan many many times in his career

i also like how you say judo is very similar to greco roman wrestling, thats like saying nascar is similar to motorcycle racing..... yeah they are both forms of racing, but also a world apart.....

#1 Who said it didn't wear Vera down?

You said you don't wear someone down pining them against the cage...... so...... you did....

#1 you did, and i quote,

You don't wear a person down by pressing them against a fence and stalling the fight, requiring several restarts by the referee.

I meant "wear" two different ways.

Wear by strikes and grappling, and wear by clinching. I thought it was obvious but there is the clarification.

Vera was worn by being leaned on and being pressed on against the fence by someone that might toss you up any second, the anxiety and mental exhaustion also taking effect, the thinking game, waiting to feel a certain muscle tense up to take the other guy off balance, the mental game

Muscular strength is also "worn," as your muscles start getting strained.

BOTH fighters were worn in this sense... If we're talking about a wrestling match. Couture would also be wearing himself in this way too.


Now, the "wearing" that Randy should have been doing, which he didn't, was more knees to the legs, more punching, more elbowing, and maybe THEN he might have "worn" Vera.

Remember worn can mean "tired" but also "beat up." I've seen it used both ways and I'm sure so have you.

If Vera was worn in the physical and energy sense, then HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE to fend off ALL of Couture's attempts at progressing his grappling to anywhere other than a clinch.

They were both being worn in the wrestling sense, but neither wore the other in the MMA sense... The position is an energy drainer or both, especially when the attacking wrestler is STRAINING to take someone down for a while and fails. Both get worn.

In MMA though... Doing this for THREE STRAIGHT ROUNDS, in the same clinch, is walling and stalling to me, not Octagon control.

Octagon control to me would have been Couture never letting Vera escape escape where Couture wanted to dictate the fight. I guarantee you Couture was trying to dictate the fight to the ground. You could see him trying SEVERAL times... What if the clinch is going to take a while? In wrestling that's fine. In MMA THAT'S NOT... You have to be doing more, particularly more striking. This wasn't done. Thus why the referee had to restart it several times

Randy's gameplan DID NOT SUCCEED because the only thing that succeeded was a perpetual walling and stalling

#2 really??? cuz in one post you say they were walling and stalling, but in another you say they are doing alot..... these two statements are total opposites of each other, so which one is it???

They are doing alot FOR GRAPPLING, not for MMA.

Case in point: Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock's Superfight.

Ken laying on top of Royce in the closed guard for sometimes 5 minutes at time (thirty total) WITHOUT THROWING A STRIKE would be considered Laying and Praying by the UFC's current rules. A ref today would have stood them up.

It doesn't mean they're weren't grappling intensely... But back then that was allowed, and this particular instance was a PURE GRAPPLING match for more than half the fight in the exact same position. Today that would be considered stalling the UFC.

In a submission grappling contest such as the ADCC, you might see a grappler on another in the same position for more than one or two minutes... In the UFC that would be considered stalling.




What Randy did was great for wrestling... For MMA, however, it was stalling,

THUS WHY THE REF RESTARTED HIM SEVERAL TIMES! Are you getting it?

#3 you have exhausted your opponents in the clinch before??? really??? you said randy couldn't wear vera down against the fence in the clinch??? you also stated that it exhaust the exhauster..... true if you're not randy couture, watch the post fight press conference, brandon vera himself says a guy at randy's greco level will wear your ass out quick..... and guess what...... randy wasn't near as gassed as vera, just watch how the two are acting directly after the fight, vera was very gassed and talked about it in the press conference and randy wasn't gassed..... randy specializes in wearing people out with constant pressure while keeping his composure and stamina and then really pushes the pressure as he senses his opponent wearing out..... i wouldn't compare randys legendary work in the clinch to your's...... i dont think you specialize in wearing people out like he does and he does it while using minimal effort to save his stamina for later rounds..... so basically saying this tactic exhaust the exhauster is stupid, thats saying randy was wearing himself out while trying to wear out vera, this is very dumb, especially when randy has built his reputation and style on that exact thing and something he has specialized in over several years.....

Wow, bro, have you heard of the saying "ALL THINGS EQUAL."

We use it all the time for cars.

I never mentioned the name Randy on that point did I?

Two grapplers of the same stamina will exhaust each other clinching... It takes stamina to attack and defend... Sometimes, it even take more out of the attacker when he's been straining for a while and is unsuccessful.

YES, Randy expended energy but not as much as Vera defending because he's Randy. That's it. Of course I know that.

But Vera was certainly NOT gassed enough, worn from grappling, where he couldn't defend the clinch from progressing anymore. He kept defending it very well, and even took Randy down himself AT THE END WHEN VERA, ACCORDING TO YOU, SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE MOST gassed.

I NEVER compared my grappling skills to Randy. Your grasping at straws there dude. Come on, lol! That's laughable that you'd say that.

there have been several big name fighters that spar with randy at extreme couture and they have all stated in interviews that randy wears people out and then turns up the pressure when he knows you're gassing

how do you think his ground and pound is so legendary??? cuz a worn out and tired opponent can't defend against randy's wrestling and will fold under pressure once randy wears them out, he has used this game plan many many times in his career

i also like how you say judo is very similar to greco roman wrestling, thats like saying nascar is similar to motorcycle racing..... yeah they are both forms of racing, but also a world apart.....

LOL, come on... Stop being so hostile. If Randy fought HIMSELF they'd be both wearing out each other's wrestling in the clinch. A GIANT STALL, if you will. lol

He has greater clinch grappling than always dominates every fighter he's grappled with... Except for now. You could speculate that in further rounds Vera would have gassed enough, while Randy didn't as much as Vera, to finally allow Randy to take down Vera and give the gassed Vera his brand of Gn'P. But that would be speculation...

What DID happen, was that for three rounds, IT WAS NOT ANYTHING OTHER THAN A STANDING CLINCH... That's all it was, I'm sorry. Anyone could see that, INCLUDING THE REF.


Until now, I've assumed you know alot about martial arts, but you think Judo to GR is like Nascar to Motorcycle racing? WTF are you talking about?

The standing clinch tactics of no-gi Judo, when removing the option to go for legs or below the waist ARE NEARLY IDENTICAL, dude, all the way up to a pin, where in Judo the pin might not be necessary due to ippon. Greco Roman would always continue to the pin.

They are not a world apart AT ALL Robbie.

You said you don't wear someone down pining them against the cage...... so...... you did....

Yeah, read my last post.

grappling wear = making someone else's muscles tired

mma wear = bruises, etc.


Couture might have worn Vera's grappling stamina (NOT as much as is being suggested if even by the end of the third round Vera was still a threat from the clinch, taking Couture down... Should have worked the other way, right? If Couture was doing the wearing?), but that ALONE does not win an MMA match.

You have to combine that with something, like wearing a guy out grappling then submitting him or Gn'P, like Couture has done many times before.

If Vera was "worn" for this MMA match, I ask of what consequence? What happened that was so bad for Vera as a result of being so worn? Nothing.

Breathing heavy at the end of the fight? Who cares how he was doing afterward?

If two cars tie a race, one breaking down after crossing the finish line, you take away the tie?

Of course I know Randy was in better grappling shape... A shame it didn't lead to ANYTHING.

Sorry for using the word wear two different ways without clarifying.

i never thought vera was in danger, randy was for a minute. in the clinch it seemed to me that they were stalemate, randy didnt have any more control over vera than vera had over him. vera was just leaning against the cage so randy probably wore himself out more than he wore out vera w/ all those failed takedown attempts.

i never thought vera was in danger, randy was for a minute. in the clinch it seemed to me that they were stalemate, randy didnt have any more control over vera than vera had over him. vera was just leaning against the cage so randy probably wore himself out more than he wore out vera w/ all those failed takedown attempts.

Blasphemy! lol


Alot of people saw that... People that KNOW grappling...

By no means am I suggesting Vera's grappling was better...


But it was good enough to fend off Couture in an MMA match.

And that's saying ALOT considering Couture's grappling, ESPECIALLY in the clinch.

bboy you obviously dont understand, even when i try to explain it...... so...... never mind..... i will just deal with the fact that there is more than one jibby around here.....

bboy you obviously dont understand, even when i try to explain it...... so...... never mind..... i will just deal with the fact that there is more than one jibby around here.....

Get off your high horse dude, listen he is trying to have a reasonable conversation with you and show his point. We are all cool here you have said your point there is really no reason to dog on people like you have been.

bboy you obviously dont understand, even when i try to explain it...... so...... never mind..... i will just deal with the fact that there is more than one jibby around here.....

I feel the same about you, failing to understand. I understand your points. I understand you think Couture wore Vera out, though he never put Vera in any threat after three rounds. I understand you feel Couture can tire less in a clinch than most of his opponents, and I agree this has OFTEN been the case... But that's the bitch with these things... They're not set in stone. Vera didn't get taken down or struck significantly... He was just pinned against a fence. Were this a grappling event with no restarts and with a fence, I'd say good job Randy... But being MMA, I say better job to Vera.

Vera, pinned and not taken down. Good shots on Randy. Good takedown on Randy, despite being SO WORN OUT BY RANDY by the third round. lol

Couture, pinning Vera to the fence, and unable to progress from there. Prevents Vera from escaping, but attempts at taking Vera down failed. No significant strikes. No significant transitions. Just. A. Clinch.

The clinch, for a pinning-sport grappler, is NOTHING more than a step to take toward the pin of your opponent. This is true in Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling, as well as Judo. For an MMA fighter, it's supposed to be more. The clinch is supposed to be ALSO an opportunity to use striking for its own sake OR to set up your wrestling... Or a combination.

Make no mistake, what we saw were THREE ROUNDS OF JUST A -CLINCH-.

That's it.

No reason to pretend it was something else, and the credit for this goes to Vera. Randy was GAME. Randy knew what he was doing and he was not lacking the skills... But, please, no more of this, "Oh, Randy MEANT to just clinch, to wear Vera out." Bullshit... Clinch, yes. But Clinch AND THAT'S IT, no... There was supposed to be progress from the clinch of some sort, striking or grappling. A significant display of NEITHER ever came.

The same cannot be said for Vera though!

So, close fight, and Randy knew it. He was happy he won, but said he would not have been surprised or disappointed if he lost.


Discuss anything you want with me, or not. Only without the insults... Which, I'm asking you again, please, to stop.

If you need insults to bolster your points, that speaks for itself..

WOW.. And the big guy takes a shot a JIBBBY... You're cool now.

I'm here to talk MMA, whether I say things people agree with or not. I also like people doing the same with me... And never do I see the need to insult anyone here... Insults are only meaningful when someone is in front of you, but that's how I was raised. I don't get any kicks insulting someone that's not right in front of me. You, however, may keep insulting people you don't know over the internet if you wish... I hope I can serve to help repair some self-esteem problem you have at least if you're gonna keep throwing them.


Anyways, I'm up for friendly discussion if anyone wants, as always, and it's always nice to hear some of the good points raised here.

I feel the same about you, failing to understand. I understand your points. I understand you think Couture wore Vera out, though he never put Vera in any threat after three rounds. I understand you feel Couture can tire less in a clinch than most of his opponents, and I agree this has OFTEN been the case... But that's the bitch with these things... They're not set in stone. Vera didn't get taken down or struck significantly... He was just pinned against a fence. Were this a grappling event with no restarts and with a fence, I'd say good job Randy... But being MMA, I say better job to Vera.

Vera, pinned and not taken down. Good shots on Randy. Good takedown on Randy, despite being SO WORN OUT BY RANDY by the third round. lol

Couture, pinning Vera to the fence, and unable to progress from there. Prevents Vera from escaping, but attempts at taking Vera down failed. No significant strikes. No significant transitions. Just. A. Clinch.

The clinch, for a pinning-sport grappler, is NOTHING more than a step to take toward the pin of your opponent. This is true in Freestyle and Greco-Roman Wrestling, as well as Judo. For an MMA fighter, it's supposed to be more. The clinch is supposed to be ALSO an opportunity to use striking for its own sake OR to set up your wrestling... Or a combination.

Make no mistake, what we saw were THREE ROUNDS OF JUST A -CLINCH-.

That's it.

No reason to pretend it was something else, and the credit for this goes to Vera. Randy was GAME. Randy knew what he was doing and he was not lacking the skills... But, please, no more of this, "Oh, Randy MEANT to just clinch, to wear Vera out." Bullshit... Clinch, yes. But Clinch AND THAT'S IT, no... There was supposed to be progress from the clinch of some sort, striking or grappling. A significant display of NEITHER ever came.

The same cannot be said for Vera though!

So, close fight, and Randy knew it. He was happy he won, but said he would not have been surprised or disappointed if he lost.


Discuss anything you want with me, or not. Only without the insults... Which, I'm asking you again, please, to stop.

If you need insults to bolster your points, that speaks for itself..

WOW.. And the big guy takes a shot a JIBBBY... You're cool now.

I'm here to talk MMA, whether I say things people agree with or not. I also like people doing the same with me... And never do I see the need to insult anyone here... Insults are only meaningful when someone is in front of you, but that's how I was raised. I don't get any kicks insulting someone that's not right in front of me. You, however, may keep insulting people you don't know over the internet if you wish... I hope I can serve to help repair some self-esteem problem you have at least if you're gonna keep throwing them.


Anyways, I'm up for friendly discussion if anyone wants, as always, and it's always nice to hear some of the good points raised here.


It seems nobody really agrees with your points on this but instead of just having yours and letting it be you try and make people feel that they are wrong and bash everything they have said into the ground....... Just make your points and let it go.


Randy did not do much and won on octagon conrol and maybe agression...... let's leave it at that.


Lastly yeah Vera was pinned against the fence and you said he could not do anything but he did and got off the cage a few times but what kept happening? Vera kept getting put back against the cage. In other words you would think that someone faster and stronger and a good deal younger would be able to get an old man off of them....... oh thats right... he did a few times but got reversed and put back on the cage multiple times...... Vera had many chances to do something and failed every time even when Randy was falling with his back to him.... Randy won on Octagon control and called it a day...... It is like Fighter pilots.... the young ones jump on the chance to turn and burn and pull hard g's in a fight... the old ones are smarter and look for the easy kill that does not invlove all the hard work. In the end both can win but one will be less tired and burnt out.


Lets let it be and move on.

It seems nobody really agrees with your points on this but instead of just having yours and letting it be you try and make people feel that they are wrong and bash everything they have said into the ground....... Just make your points and let it go.

Jesus, WTF is going on?

Dude, I certainly have not bashed ANYTHING you've said to the ground. In fact, I remember saying I respected your points. I just think they're worth discussing... If not, then WTH is the point of a forum or a topic on MMA?

I havent bashed anything anyone else has said either... I think you should take that back...


Let what go? The discussion? I didn't know I need someone's permission to discuss the topic. I didn't see any problem when you desired to state your points, and I certainly don't think I should decide whether or not you should bow out of the discussion or not. That's up to you, right?

lol, I don't see the problem.


did not do much and won on octagon conrol and maybe agression...... let's leave it at that.


Lastly yeah Vera was pinned against the fence and you said he could not do anything but he did and got off the cage a few times but what kept happening? Vera kept getting put back against the cage. In other words you would think that someone faster and stronger and a good deal younger would be able to get an old man off of them....... oh thats right... he did a few times but got reversed and put back on the cage multiple times...... Vera had many chances to do something and failed every time even when Randy was falling with his back to him.... Randy won on Octagon control and called it a day...... It is like Fighter pilots.... the young ones jump on the chance to turn and burn and pull hard g's in a fight... the old ones are smarter and look for the easy kill that does not invlove all the hard work. In the end both can win but one will be less tired and burnt out.


Lets let it be and move on.

Vera kept getting put back into the fence, I know. This was scored for Octagon Control, I know. That's cool. And I have my views on how Octagon Control is scored sometimes, as well as certain strikes. But it was nothing more than a clinch. It did not succeed beyond that, which was a HUGE credit to Vera, not an insane point I think!

Instead of telling people to move on, why don't you move on?

You move on yourself since you like to issue orders, and if it's something I find interesting, I'll post. If not, I won't. You decide since you wish to take charge, lol.

Any other fight catch your eye?

Ready to witness the demise of the HW division?

Or just stop posting and I'll stop posting, but if people continue to post about the UFC 105 fights, I should stop for some reason?

lol, WTF?

Jesus, WTF is going on?

Dude, I certainly have not bashed ANYTHING you've said to the ground. In fact, I remember saying I respected your points. I just think they're worth discussing... If not, then WTH is the point of a forum or a topic on MMA?

I havent bashed anything anyone else has said either... I think you should take that back...


Let what go? The discussion? I didn't know I need someone's permission to discuss the topic. I didn't see any problem when you desired to state your points, and I certainly don't think I should decide whether or not you should bow out of the discussion or not. That's up to you, right?

lol, I don't see the problem.




Vera kept getting put back into the fence, I know. This was scored for Octagon Control, I know. That's cool. And I have my views on how Octagon Control is scored sometimes, as well as certain strikes. But it was nothing more than a clinch. It did not succeed beyond that, which was a HUGE credit to Vera, not an insane point I think!

Instead of telling people to move on, why don't you move on?

You move on yourself since you like to issue orders, and if it's something I find interesting, I'll post. If not, I won't. You decide since you wish to take charge, lol.

Any other fight catch your eye?

Ready to witness the demise of the HW division?

Or just stop posting and I'll stop posting, but if people continue to post about the UFC 105 fights, I should stop for some reason?

lol, WTF?


Just trying to help out....... nobody was really agreeing with you so why keep it going and beating a dead horse that died many days ago?


Just said lets let it die........ not stop it now boys and girls..... come on dude.

Yeah the other fights caugt my eye, I was impressed with Bisbing and hope he keeps what he says in check now though.

Have a good one.

Actually I tend to agree with bboyferal I'm just watching him fight 1 on 2 or 3 or whatever it is. I'm not educated enough to discuss the topic about the clinch. But pinning the opponent against the cage and just controlling him isn't aggression as far as I know.

I really don't care to watch Randy fight LHW anymore personally. Him fighting HW is cool but come on man the guys gotta be on hgh. Let it go and let some younger guys get the main event.

I havent bashed anyone.... I think you should take that back....

lol, what are we 6? you better take that back or im tellin mommy.....

lol sorry i had to, it was just perfect.....

i strongly believe randys game plan was the same game plan he has been using for years..... to go in, wear them out and make them wrestle him.....

did randy succeed? yes.....

did he get the takedown? no, so kuddos to vera for that, and randy even says that in the post fight interview

did randy want the takedown? well duh, and he tried almost the entire time he had vera pinned against the cage but vera was able to dust off his greco skills and avoid the takedown

this caused a stalemate and makes for people with an untrained eye, a boring fight.....

but in doing so it wore his ass out and those were vera's exact words.....

randy wanted to fight very safe, that meant for him to clinch and wrestle with vera.... make zero space for vera to elbow from the clinch

if vera had more space, then he could use his extensive muay thai skills and elbow randy possibly on his eyebrow and could end the fight.... staying so close kept randy safe, and that was his plan.....

we both have different opinions about the fight, thats fine.....

but my opinion is proven fact if you listen to the post fight interviews and post fight press conference..... and your opinion is proven wrong from the words coming out of vera's mouth and randys...... not mine.

since im not getting through then i suggest we just drop the subject and move on to something else..... and im not telling you what to do im just saying we could argue about this back and fourth for years and it will never end...... so i just agree to disagree

lol, what are we 6? you better take that back or im tellin mommy.....

Actually, those are the words of an adult that knows better... You wouldn't understand. I didn't say I was telling mommy, Robbie. I suggested that the comment someone stated incorrectly should be taken back. It should be taken back because it was wrong. When I say something wrong about someone, I take it back... It's called being an adult.

Again, I'm going to ask you to leave out the insults.

lol sorry i had to, it was just perfect.....

Indeed. Go you.

i strongly believe randys game plan was the same game plan he has been using for years..... to go in, wear them out and make them wrestle him.....

did randy succeed? yes.....

did he get the takedown? no, so kuddos to vera for that, and randy even says that in the post fight interview

did randy want the takedown? well duh, and he tried almost the entire time he had vera pinned against the cage but vera was able to dust off his greco skills and avoid the takedown

this caused a stalemate and makes for people with an untrained eye, a boring fight.....

but in doing so it wore his ass out and those were vera's exact words.....

randy wanted to fight very safe, that meant for him to clinch and wrestle with vera.... make zero space for vera to elbow from the clinch

if vera had more space, then he could use his extensive muay thai skills and elbow randy possibly on his eyebrow and could end the fight.... staying so close kept randy safe, and that was his plan.....

we both have different opinions about the fight, thats fine.....

but my opinion is proven fact if you listen to the post fight interviews and post fight press conference..... and your opinion is proven wrong from the words coming out of vera's mouth and randys...... not mine.

since im not getting through then i suggest we just drop the subject and move on to something else..... and im not telling you what to do im just saying we could argue about this back and fourth for years and it will never end...... so i just agree to disagree

Randy's game plan, again, is like you're stating, PLUS some more that didn't happen. What you're saying now is what I had been saying before, interestingly, that Vera dusted it all off. Is Vera gonna get worn from all of it? Of course, but only in the grappling sense (muscular strain). The THINGS that Vera dusted off were going to be the REAL wear and tear, things Randy couldn't achieve unfortunately. Thus, we have just the clinch that occured.

My opinion, like yours, is also supported by Randy's mouth, and if I post it again, it will be the third time.

Boring wrestling exchange? Hardly. It was exciting as hell! I've already said that! I could watch that all day in a grappling contest, but they have no cages. It causes a stalemate to the untrained eye? Grappling-wise? No, it doesn't. In modern MMA? Yes, it DID cause a stalemate. Thus, why the ref stopped it. My opinion IS SUPPORTED BY THE REF. It was NOTHING OTHER THAN A CLINCH... Other clinches of Randy's on other fighters have been different. This one was just a -clinch-.

Saying you've proved me wrong doesn't prove me wrong... I think we both have good opinions, you have some facts on your side, I have some facts on mine, only mine don't need insults as yours do.

And an opinion cannot be proven fact. That's ridiculous. An opinion can never be anything other than an opinion, and there are some good ones and some bad ones. That's all.

I'm not arguing anything back and forth, so please just speak for yourself. I'm actually doing something I like to do, politely discussing MMA. That's all. If you only discuss things under the condition that you completely persuade your audience, you could have saved your time long ago on me. I, on the other hand, don't have persuading anyone as my goal. I only wish to present my opinions to discussion, and observe their withstanding of rational scrutiny, modifying them if need be, under the expert advisement of people that might know better than me. That's all.

And to have fun that's all.

Try that! Maybe you'll like it. You can't keep up the immature act forever. People grow up. You can argue with yourself, or discuss things here with others. It's that simple.

Just trying to help out....... nobody was really agreeing with you so why keep it going and beating a dead horse that died many days ago?


Just said lets let it die........ not stop it now boys and girls..... come on dude.

Yeah the other fights caugt my eye, I was impressed with Bisbing and hope he keeps what he says in check now though.

Have a good one.

Bisping only impressed me AFTER Kang woke him the fuck up with that punch! Bisping's fighting ability increased right away! lol

He did good... Nice to see that Bisping is not being taken care of anymore. I can't complain about the guys he's been fighting.