Negative Trader Feedback - I got screwed out of over 5k by cjg454ss

To start off i have been a member for over 6 years i was a paying sponsor for a year i have done well over 20k worth of selling used parts and have had 0 problems. I am the co-owner of the only ls specialized performance shop in New orleans LSXmotorsports help me out tech to make this right

Well it all starts of a few months back when i had 2 s91 turbos and a bs3 unit for sale and cjg45433 pm me. one s91 was perfect and new the other was new but the wheel was damaged as stated i called FI and they told me to replace it they would charge me around 200-300 to do so. I explained this to this guy and even told him if it was 300 i would split the 100 with him he was fine with it. So we made a deal he had a pt88mm 6.0 kit for sale ( http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/1165519-pt88-fresh-rebuild-hot-parts-2200-will-trade-t6.html ) i traded him the s91 and 500 cash for the kit i was fine with the deal, them he persuaded me to buy the engine that the kit was run on so we struck up a deal on that with the BS3 system. i had the BS3 was clearly explained that it had dyno time only and he was fine with that the BS3 was a few years old due to the fact i have been trying to finish a epensive project. I spoke to him multiple times on the phone and i guess kind of formed a so called friendship so i gained trust in him, never once did he claim to be dis-satisfied with anything. So we made the deal i sent him $3050 and the BS3 i was asking 2k for. The deal was he was going to have new bearings rings and gaskets put on the motor a month passes and the motor came out the machine shop i wasnt worried about the time there were no complaints. i get the motor and it seemed fine till i try to turn the crank manually and nothing it is locked up so i pull the pan to see if there is obvious damage and nothing finally i realized the builder installed 5.7 head gaskets on the 6.0 engine so i figured maybe the pistons are hitting the head gaskets so i pull the heads and still nothing its locked up. to me it seems the main bearings were not clearanced properly.
The deal is now sour i have spoke with him through messaging and he tells me it spun when he had it and basically its not his problem and "good luck with it" he says

This was suposed to be a motor i could drop in and go. i have tried to resolve this before flamming him i have no problem with him all i want is the money i have into this motor back

i sent him another pm with the link to this maybe he will come and say something i may have missed neverthless he is not willing to work things out

I will chime in though i think your have some facts incorrect.

For one thing you said you only had one s91 left that was slightly damaged. $200.00 worth. You send me that turbo and give me 200.00, i send you my new pt88mm and turbo kit minus the blow off valve and pipe.. that was the first deal. Out of that deal i got a turbo that needs $1000.00 worth of repairs. im ok with it so i didnt say much other than it wasnt $200.00 like he stated.

Second deal.

He had BS3 for sale, told me it was new in the box and never installed. He wants $2200.00 for it. At that time he asked what i was doing with my motor because we talked and i said i was changing setups. I said the motor is available if hes interested. I wanted 5k for the motor, Throttle body to Oil pan, no sensors.. He said he would give me $3050.00 plus his BS3. Done deal. The motor was at the machine shop getting checked out and refreshed to make sure the motor was perfect when he gets it. 3 weeks or so later the motor was completed and i sent it out. I installed the cam myself and double checked the motor. Spins freely and looked great, i am very confident in the machine shop i use regularly.

I get the BS3 shipped to me, its in a busted box and looks anything but new. I probably would rate is as working condition at best if i sold it. Still havent hooked it up so i couldnt tell you if it worked.

Get a call and Rich wants the blowoff valve pipe and sensors. I told him i was keeping them, he says they should be included. Next day, he wants $50.00 back for the blow off pipe. Then he wants $100.00 back and send all the piping back.

A few days pass and i see Rich puts the entire setup for sale for $8000.00, I pm him and ask him whats going on and he says he is changing directions.
No one buys the setup and a week later he says the motors no good, and wants his money back.

Few days weeks pass and now the motor wont spin. Claims the main caps are on in reverse. also claims the incorrect head gaskets are on the motor.

To sum up the situation, i got a roughed up BS3 and a dinged turbo and 3k. Im ok with it.

Rich got a fresh 365cu forged iron block, oringed 6.0 headed motor. The same setup that goes 6.2s at 118mph all day in my 3600lb camaro. He even has the turbo setup i ran. I am all for helping people i sell an item to but this seems like a case of buyers remorse. The deal is done and i will help as much as possible.

Also Rich is trying to sell the turbo kit for $2650.00, and has maybe $1000.00 in it

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/1198769-lsx427-lme-pt88-front-mount-kit-2650-shipped-wolfe-anti-roll-ls1-harness-coils.html

Also the other day you were selling the entire setup for $8,000 but deleted the thread. If there is something wrong with it then why would you try to sell it to another memeber. All the motor issues just recently arose AFTER you tried to sell it for more then you paid for it. I wouldnt sell you a motor that was bad, That is why i would only sell it after it was refreshed. I also paid for the machine work and shipping myself. If i was to do it over again i would of asked for about 1500 more for the entire setup. You got a great deal that runs great and is easy to maintain. Goodluck with the car and you LSx buisness Rich.

Chris

Look for his other Screen name LSXRich

I will chime in though i think your have some facts incorrect.

For one thing you said you only had one s91 left that was slightly damaged. $200.00 worth. You send me that turbo and give me 200.00, i send you my new pt88mm and turbo kit minus the blow off valve and pipe.. that was the first deal. Out of that deal i got a turbo that needs $1000.00 worth of repairs. im ok with it so i didnt say much other than it wasnt $200.00 like he stated.

Second deal.

He had BS3 for sale, told me it was new in the box and never installed. He wants $2200.00 for it. At that time he asked what i was doing with my motor because we talked and i said i was changing setups. I said the motor is available if hes interested. I wanted 5k for the motor, Throttle body to Oil pan, no sensors.. He said he would give me $3050.00 plus his BS3. Done deal. The motor was at the machine shop getting checked out and refreshed to make sure the motor was perfect when he gets it. 3 weeks or so later the motor was completed and i sent it out. I installed the cam myself and double checked the motor. Spins freely and looked great, i am very confident in the machine shop i use regularly.

I get the BS3 shipped to me, its in a busted box and looks anything but new. I probably would rate is as working condition at best if i sold it. Still havent hooked it up so i couldnt tell you if it worked.

Get a call and Rich wants the blowoff valve pipe and sensors. I told him i was keeping them, he says they should be included. Next day, he wants $50.00 back for the blow off pipe. Then he wants $100.00 back and send all the piping back.

A few days pass and i see Rich puts the entire setup for sale for $8000.00, I pm him and ask him whats going on and he says he is changing directions.
No one buys the setup and a week later he says the motors no good, and wants his money back.

Few days weeks pass and now the motor wont spin. Claims the main caps are on in reverse. also claims the incorrect head gaskets are on the motor.

To sum up the situation, i got a roughed up BS3 and a dinged turbo and 3k. Im ok with it.

Rich got a fresh 365cu forged iron block, oringed 6.0 headed motor. The same setup that goes 6.2s at 118mph all day in my 3600lb camaro. He even has the turbo setup i ran. I am all for helping people i sell an item to but this seems like a case of buyers remorse. The deal is done and i will help as much as possible.

Also Rich is trying to sell the turbo kit for $2650.00, and has maybe $1000.00 in it

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/lsx-parts-sale/1198769-lsx427-lme-pt88-front-mount-kit-2650-shipped-wolfe-anti-roll-ls1-harness-coils.html

Also the other day you were selling the entire setup for $8,000 but deleted the thread. If there is something wrong with it then why would you try to sell it to another memeber. All the motor issues just recently arose AFTER you tried to sell it for more then you paid for it. I wouldnt sell you a motor that was bad, That is why i would only sell it after it was refreshed. I also paid for the machine work and shipping myself. If i was to do it over again i would of asked for about 1500 more for the entire setup. You got a great deal that runs great and is easy to maintain. Goodluck with the car and you LSx buisness Rich.

Chris

Look for his other Screen name LSXRich

All of which you say is correct with shades of greay i did get everything and was satisfied i did post it for sale because i did have a change of direction but just last night i go to install the crank pulley and realize the motor will not spin over thats is why it was removed from the thread b/c i didnt want to have anyone inquire on a broken motor. If you were disatisfied with anything i sold you i would have gladly refunded any of your expenses. as far as having 1000 in a turbo kit this is un-true i have the money i gave you + the cost of the s91 i gave you and the 265 for the WG and 250 for the intercooler and 100 into the cold pipe going to the throttle body+ clamps couplers and BOV i have well over 2k into the turbo kit the 2600 was a starting price. Yes when i pm'd you and you said all the cold piping all couplers and all clamps were included i was a little taken back when ALL wasnt there but i went with it thats why i asked for you to split the difference in that pipe $100 when you said absolutely not i asked for the 100 that i spent on thepipes back as a refund and i would send pipes back and again you said NO. as far as the s91 i sent pics to FI of the damage and that is the price they quoted me i dont know who you are speaking with but i am more than willing to send you your parts back in a refund of the money i paid you and the turbo. The bs3 was shipped in a intact box i am not responsible for ups damaging box thats what insurance is for if you felt that the integrety was compromised you should have said something or not accepted box and i would have done a claim on the 2k worth of insurance i put on it.
you are correct i did recieve the motor then 2 weeks later decide i am going to build a bigger motor you are correct about changing directions on the turbo kit i was installing this to get used to the turbo scene but decided to go 98mm to start
so you call it buyer remorse? well call it what you will i never contacted you for anyting except the build sheet which i never got
there were some misunderstandings the sensors on the motor and the cold pipe i can agree but thats not the issue.
the motor has been posted for 1-2 weeks now and i had a guy comming to get the motor this weekend that was the reason for installing the pulley luckly i found this before hand
you asked me to start pulling motor apart to diagnose the problem and the engine will not spin over period..
and yes you or your "Reputable" mechanic installed ls1 gaskets on this 6.0

I cancelled my sponsorship and that was the reason for the other screen name but a nice woman that runs the site managed to allow me to keep post count and trader feedback that is why there are no recient post on that name

all i am asking is for you to make it right if it takes you paying a local machine shop to fix the problem or me shipping it back to you and you refunding me what was put out. and as said before i will cover shipping

the engine was pulled apart by Donnie at R&D 2 main caps have 0 interferance they fall right into place and pull right out with no binds the motor shows signs of very hard abuse and spun bearing the block is shot and the the engine looks like it was assembled in a sand pit there is depris all over the bearings and stock bearings were used to in a 750+hp build this was not part of the deal

hard abuse....i told you the car went 6.2s all day in a heavy car.

send me the motor back and i will have the builder go back through it and triple check it. then ill send it back to you if you like.

i was aware that you ran the motor but the block is shot i will be more than happt to send the motor back to you to have your engine builer to look at it but i honestly do not want it back there is alot more abuse than i was expecting. The new bearings that were installed for a 700+hp application were stock there are scars on the bearings there is debris all over in the inside the engine. i can say the crank is straight it was tested pistons and rods seeem fine but block is shot let me know what route you want to take

i dont see how an iron block thats never been bored is shot.

maybe from excessive beatings alot of boost engines twist and flex if this motor would have been run these 2 main caps would have walked due to the excessive play and spun a bearing. i have had 2 engine builders say the same thing that they would not use that block in the high hp application i am doing.

maybe from excessive beatings alot of boost engines twist and flex if this motor would have been run these 2 main caps would have walked due to the excessive play and spun a bearing. i have had 2 engine builders say the same thing that they would not use that block in the high hp application i am doing.

that block was line bored before it was sent out. i had a full check up on it to make sure it was ready to go for you, this is very hard for me to believe that it is so messed up. as i stated in the pm, send me the motor and i will have my builder check his work. thats all i can and will do.

chris

well a little update Chris aka cjs454ss now claims his engine builder doesnt think he did anything wrong and he now tells me hey its your motor your on your own he claims he doesnt have the money to make it right and now its my problem i will post up a video of exactly how the main caps are loose in the block which leads me to believe the block has been seriously stressed the block is unusable so basically i am stuck with a $5000 engine that was sold to me and is junk so watch out for this guy he may do the same to you. i guess i will have to part the engine out and try to make maybe 2k of my money back

well a little update Chris aka cjs454ss now claims his engine builder doesnt think he did anything wrong and he now tells me hey its your motor your on your own he claims he doesnt have the money to make it right and now its my problem i will post up a video of exactly how the main caps are loose in the block which leads me to believe the block has been seriously stressed the block is unusable so basically i am stuck with a $5000 engine that was sold to me and is junk so watch out for this guy he may do the same to you. i guess i will have to part the engine out and try to make maybe 2k of my money back

like i said earlier, send me back the motor and i will have my builder look it over. If you dont want to do that, thats fine. but i WILL NOT be sending you any money without seeing the motor. period!

The fact that all you want is money back makes me think its a case of buyers remorse. Nothing is wrong with that motor and after reading messages you send me i question you competence

ALSO, threatening me wont help the situation. Please stop wasting you time


how much do you want for the entire engine. i may be interested?

like i said earlier, send me back the motor and i will have my builder look it over. If you dont want to do that, thats fine. but i WILL NOT be sending you any money without seeing the motor. period!

The fact that all you want is money back makes me think its a case of buyers remorse. Nothing is wrong with that motor and after reading messages you send me i question you competence

ALSO, threatening me wont help the situation. Please stop wasting you time


how much do you want for the entire engine. i may be interested?

there were 0 threats i simply said that i will not let you screw someone over. this was after you told me that your engine builder claims he didnt do anything wrong and yes he maybe correct i am not claiming its his fault i am simply saying the block is shot and if your engine builder gets it if you do infact have a engine builder which i doubt since you cannot provide me with a # name or build sheet are you prepaired to spend the money and replace the block? show this video to your engine builder and see if he thinks the block it ok to run

as far as what i would want well of course what i paid and the bs3 i traded minus shipping that goes with out saying hell someone sells you something and you want a refund because its no go what would you want?

you want me to send it back for you to look at it and say i see nothing? did you forget your pm already?
"[i talked to the builder, he said no way the mains are off, it was just line hones. your on your own man, i dont know if you are serious or what but its you motor. good luck

chris"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7v6bnlAEec

show your engine builder this and let me know what he says

im not going to give you the builders number so you can harrass him. He told me the motor was good to go, the motor ran fine when i took it out. Refreshed it and put it back together. As i stated you have the option of sending it back to me and ill have him look at it. If you dont want to send it i dont know what to tell you.

im not going to give you the builders number so you can harrass him. He told me the motor was good to go, the motor ran fine when i took it out. Refreshed it and put it back together. As i stated you have the option of sending it back to me and ill have him look at it. If you dont want to send it i dont know what to tell you.

if you are not prepared to fix the problem whats the use in me sending it back the block needs to be replaced you already said you do not have the money to pay to have it done if you want to send me a new or good 6.0 block i will pay to have the problem fixed thats the only to make it right. i just wanted confirmation from your builder that what was said was dont was. he was suposed to install bearings that would handle to power trying to be achieved and he installed stock ones whats the answer for this?

the block is good, heck its not even .030 over. line honed ready to go. Goodluck

the block is good, heck its not even .030 over. line honed ready to go. Goodluck

there is nothing wrong with the cylinders watch the video that is the problem the block has managed to twist something is not right obviously

Usually number 2 and number 4 mains recieve the abuse on a out of balance motor
they line honed the block but did they do it with the side bolts in or out and that could cause the cap to come out of alinement when u go through the torque sequence

well just got word from someone that knows him and the motor spun a bearing it ran consistant 6.6 and at best 6.4's so to add one more thing to the mix chris truly screwed me he claimed the motor went 6.0's all day and claimed the motor was fine. He does claim that i can send it back at my expense and he will have his well known builder look at it.. The way i see it is he spun a bearing and put stock ones in knowing it wasnt good enough and when the buyer spun another one it would be on them. way to screw someone Chris i am not spending another 400 to have the motor shipped to you and back to me for you to look at it and tighten things up and send it back if you want to make it right call R&d pay them to pin the block and re line bore it and i will pay for re-assembly

if your well know engine builder did put it together and didnt see this problem is shouldnt be in business or maybe you told him to run with and it would be someone elses problem hoping it wouldnt be checked before running.

haha someone that knows me? or someone that thinks they know me and thinks they know what the car runs. We have a lot of internet idiots here in Greenville sc that have no mods to their cars but seem to know everything about racing and building setups.

that setup i sent you went 6.2s, i showed you the videos on a day with a DA' of 2900, it corrected faster, and that was on bone stock suspension. 99% of the people in greenville dont even know what the DA is. So you talked to someone that knows who i am but has no first hand knowledge of my car or setup and heard it through 3 or 4 people that i talked to at a track day. Listen here man, that motor ran fine, do what you want with it or send it back its your call.

the only way to correct the problem is to 1 replace the block/main caps 2 pin the mains and rehone my question is are you prepaired to do any of this? if so i will send it back to you to correct the problem

you are saying it ran fine you are claming the motor never spun a bearing? it shows every sign of doing so if not

let me know and i will send the motor back

BTW you watched the video you know what needs to be done y not save me shipping to you and you shipping to me and have a local place do the work call who you want locally or even the machine shop i gave you lets get the problem fixed so we can resolve the problem with the least amount of expence possible i will even pay for reassembly just want you to pay to have the block fixed

the only way to correct the problem is to 1 replace the block/main caps 2 pin the mains and rehone my question is are you prepaired to do any of this? if so i will send it back to you to correct the problem

you are saying it ran fine you are claming the motor never spun a bearing? it shows every sign of doing so if not

let me know and i will send the motor back

BTW you watched the video you know what needs to be done y not save me shipping to you and you shipping to me and have a local place do the work call who you want locally or even the machine shop i gave you lets get the problem fixed so we can resolve the problem with the least amount of expence possible i will even pay for reassembly just want you to pay to have the block fixed


Ok well the cheapest way is you have your builder do whatever he wants. You bashed me on my local site, you claim facts that are untrue. Im not covering anything, istill offered to have my builder look back at it. then if you want him to do any machine work then YOU CAN PAY FOR IT.

again rich your facts are incorrect on the deal.

i would love to know the incorrect facts please enlighten me
1 you sold me a motor that had spun a bearing and never told me
2 i paid you 3050 cash and a bs3 unit that we agrreed on a price of 1700
3 i try to turn motor over by hand and its locked
4 you tell me this is a motor that is ready to be dropped in and go if i would have it would have blown
5 i have to pull a motor apart and try to correct a problem
6 you claim you were putting good bearings in you put STOCK for a 750+hp app.
7 you probised me a build sheet and still nothing
8 you claim you will have your builder re look at it. but why he did it wront the first time 9 you said you will have him look at it but yet you still havent agreed to do whats right to fix the problem
10 you say its my problem now

Where are my facts off please explain you sold me a blown motor and you thought you fixed the problem you didnt and you knew the motor wouldnt hold up to a 8 sec car knowing thats what i was doing and yet you still stuck it to me

you called it buyer remorse call it what you will but i did change my mind in the direction i am going you helped me out with that when you sold me a peice of shit

http://www.clubhioctane.com/community/showthread.php?p=87489&posted=1#post87489

according to a member on his local site the motor did spin a bearing which he conviently forgot to mention to me upon the sale

i would love to know the incorrect facts please enlighten me
1 you sold me a motor that had spun a bearing and never told me
2 i paid you 3050 cash and a bs3 unit that we agrreed on a price of 1700
3 i try to turn motor over by hand and its locked
4 you tell me this is a motor that is ready to be dropped in and go if i would have it would have blown
5 i have to pull a motor apart and try to correct a problem
6 you claim you were putting good bearings in you put STOCK for a 750+hp app.
7 you probised me a build sheet and still nothing
8 you claim you will have your builder re look at it. but why he did it wront the first time 9 you said you will have him look at it but yet you still havent agreed to do whats right to fix the problem
10 you say its my problem now

Where are my facts off please explain you sold me a blown motor and you thought you fixed the problem you didnt and you knew the motor wouldnt hold up to a 8 sec car knowing thats what i was doing and yet you still stuck it to me

you called it buyer remorse call it what you will but i did change my mind in the direction i am going you helped me out with that when you sold me a peice of shit

here was go to clear it up and then im finished with this thread.

1. Bearing never spun in that motor, bearings were roughed up but never spun. Motor was line honed to ensure mains were ok.
2. correct
3. motor spun fine for me
4. Motor was assembled and ready except for sensors.
5. Problem arose after you tried to sell it
6. Bearings are good bearings that hold more than 750hp,
7. Can still get it
8. Nothing was wrong but i still offered to take it to the builder.
9. If anything is wrong he will fix it, if you want additional machine work like mains pinned you will pay for them.
10. It is your problem, just like the new BS3 you gave me was heavily used and the $200.00 repair for the turbo is now $1000.00

8 SECOND CAR, haha, you didnt even have a car when i sold it to you, i didnt know what you were doing with it, all i know is it went bottom 6s all day in my heavy 02 ss.

http://www.clubhioctane.com/community/showthread.php?p=87489&posted=1#post87489

according to a member on his local site the motor did spin a bearing which he conviently forgot to mention to me upon the sale


according to what member. my car has had 3 different motors in it this past year alone, 90% of the memebers on the site know little to nothing about ls1s from first off experience. Like i said earlier that motor never spun a bearing. If you want to believe someone that doesnt know me, doesnt know anything about LS1s and gets all their information from reading other peoples posts on line.....go for it.

here was go to clear it up and then im finished with this thread.

1. Bearing never spun in that motor, bearings were roughed up but never spun. Motor was line honed to ensure mains were ok.
2. correct
3. motor spun fine for me
4. Motor was assembled and ready except for sensors.
5. Problem arose after you tried to sell it
6. Bearings are good bearings that hold more than 750hp,
7. Can still get it
8. Nothing was wrong but i still offered to take it to the builder.
9. If anything is wrong he will fix it, if you want additional machine work like mains pinned you will pay for them.
10. It is your problem, just like the new BS3 you gave me was heavily used and the $200.00 repair for the turbo is now $1000.00

8 SECOND CAR, haha, you didnt even have a car when i sold it to you, i didnt know what you were doing with it, all i know is it went bottom 6s all day in my heavy 02 ss.

i will send it back but the motor is not correct should i be taxed for it? I have always had a car just didnt know what one to stick it in look at my vehicle forsale section i have a 25.5 camaro i have had that for a year now i also have a formula.. i have had these car since 98 and havent been without one since

you said the turbo needed 200.00 worth or repair. it needs 1000.00, should i be taxed?
you said BS3 was new- it was used and well used- should i be taxed?

you dont see me crying. if your serious about sending it back i will get you the address. I will notify you now, that i WILL NOT be paying the freight back to you. so be prepared to pay shipping both ways. lets just make it clear now.

I Know chris and i know he wouldnt try to screw anyone over. I have seen this motor run 6.20s in his car on low boost .I know for a fact he had the motor checked at a local shop that builds his motors. I also seen the damaged trubo that you sent him and it is as chris said it was damaged and needed more than 200 dollars worth of repairs. If you want it checked again then send it back to him for his builder to look at it . Thats what he is offering and i wouldnt refund you a dime either becouse something is fishy on your end trying to sell it one week then all of a sudden its broke and the iron block is no good??


I also found a video of one of his 6.2 runs so your know it all source on cho can watch it to since he has never seen it run but 6.4.
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/2001z/?action=view&current=Title1-Chapter5-3.flv

i dont know the whole story and i wouldnt think chris would try to screw anyone,but as seen in the video its not an issue of the block needing to be bored or the cylinders. 2 of the main caps slide up and down freely, the mains are supposed to be a tight fit (usually have to be tapped with a rubber mallet or something to get them to come up) with them being loose in a high horsepower setup it could allow crank walk. i am sure chris didnt check this or know about this because his engine builder said it was good. again im not tryin to say anything bad about either of you just stating what i see in the video, i also havent seen the turbo or the bs3 so i dont know the facts on that either

you said the turbo needed 200.00 worth or repair. it needs 1000.00, should i be taxed?
you said BS3 was new- it was used and well used- should i be taxed?

you dont see me crying. if your serious about sending it back i will get you the address. I will notify you now, that i WILL NOT be paying the freight back to you. so be prepared to pay shipping both ways. lets just make it clear now.

call jose at FI he will fix the compressor wheel for 279 and re ballanceit just as i told you before please send me the number to the person that quoted you 1000 to fix it so i can tell him what i think about his quote. you still never answered my question do the mains in the video look fine? you assured me the engine was in perfect working order it isnt as you can see now i have to incur more debt because of your mistake?

you are correct the turbo will cost more than 200 Jose and Fi quoted me today 279 to ballance and change the compressor wheel that would correct the problem i even told chris if by some chance it costed 300 i would split it with him he may not remember but that is not an issue use the 200 i gave you and send it to Jose and let him fix it 1000 is outrageous. And to your comment its fishey well let break it down for you I have a 98mm at my shop with future plans for it. I see chris's set up wheels start spinning i figure hey this is a turn ket set up let me get it from him and run this for a while to get used to it. Then i start to think to myself why do i always do it twice go big or go home. So i list the stuf for sale for a few hundred more than i have in it, knowing i was going to get low ball offers which was fine i was prepared to take a little loss. I then have a buyer he comes by looks at the block says he wants it on one condition i put a underdrive i say no prob i go to install underdrive and the motor is locked. i try to correct the problem and find what you see int he video. I try to get Chris to admit that there seems to be a problem but he will not do so. There is a problem "HIS" builder didnt catch so i ask again "why is it up to me to have to cover shipping to have his engine builder correct a mistake he made"?

I Know chris and i know he wouldnt try to screw anyone over. I have seen this motor run 6.20s in his car on low boost .I know for a fact he had the motor checked at a local shop that builds his motors. I also seen the damaged trubo that you sent him and it is as chris said it was damaged and needed more than 200 dollars worth of repairs. If you want it checked again then send it back to him for his builder to look at it . Thats what he is offering and i wouldnt refund you a dime either becouse something is fishy on your end trying to sell it one week then all of a sudden its broke and the iron block is no good??


I also found a video of one of his 6.2 runs so your know it all source on cho can watch it to since he has never seen it run but 6.4.
http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b390/2001z/?action=view&current=Title1-Chapter5-3.flv

the guy is tryin to be straight about things here and you guys are just trashing him, itd be a different story if this happened to one of you. he made a video showing the problem, its simple if you know about engines you can see the block is bad in his video. the other story chris is inturn complaining about the bs3 and the turbo. solution is simple chris send this guy back his turbo and bs3 since you have problems with them. let him send you back the motor, when you get the motor and see its the one you shipped give the guy back his money. end of deal fair and square

amen thanks

the guy is tryin to be straight about things here and you guys are just trashing him, itd be a different story if this happened to one of you. he made a video showing the problem, its simple if you know about engines you can see the block is bad in his video. the other story chris is inturn complaining about the bs3 and the turbo. solution is simple chris send this guy back his turbo and bs3 since you have problems with them. let him send you back the motor, when you get the motor and see its the one you shipped give the guy back his money. end of deal fair and square

jay when you built davids motor and it burned a quart of oil every 15 seconds did you fix it or have david take it somewhere else to fix it? you fixed it or atleast tired to fix it. im offering to fix anything wrong with it, just send it to me. i know for a FACT jay that davids motor was f-ed up, you ended up having to redo something in it, im offering the same deal, i just need the motor to see whats if anything, is wrong with it. again as i said send me the motor and the builder will look at it. if not, i cant help you.

actually yea i did fix it. i bought it from him and kept it for myself. yea i did fix what was wrong with it, i replaced the heads. that was not my problem or my fault i didnt buy them or the head gaskets

actually yea i did fix it. i bought it from him and kept it for myself. yea i did fix what was wrong with it, i replaced the heads. that was not my problem or my fault i didnt buy them or the head gaskets

besides the fact and off topic but a birdie told me the rings where install incorrectly and had to be replaced. so you bought it back...for full price?

i bought it for the price he told me. and its funny how a birdy told you anyhting considering im the only one who has touched the motor since it came out. it isnt about me, i bought it from him for the price he ask for it. this is about you and this guy tryin to figure out the situation an make each other happy. you complained about the turbo and the bs3 so why not trade parts back and switch money back he said he would be fine with that

i bought it for the price he told me. and its funny how a birdy told you anyhting considering im the only one who has touched the motor since it came out. it isnt about me, i bought it from him for the price he ask for it. this is about you and this guy tryin to figure out the situation an make each other happy. you complained about the turbo and the bs3 so why not trade parts back and switch money back he said he would be fine with that

no jay we all know each other here, most of us get together every week on hioctane. im just saying that your crediablilty on the ls1 platform is worth little to nothing and when you were in a similar situation you offered the same thing i am, so dont be a hypocrit. You only bought the motor back because david sold it to you dirt cheap because he totalled his car and go insurance money to cover it. Dont try to bend the truth. The fact that you say its wrong means nothing. The engine builder will look at it when and if he ever gets it. end of story.

dont try to bash me on here chris i never said a bad thing about you i just stated what is shown in the video. in that video whether that be your motor or one he got out of a scrap yard somewhere the block is bad. it has nothing to do with me or david. Davids was not my first motor build nor my first lsx build. chris blacks pewter trans am hasnt had any problems at all since i built the motor for it an made 420rwhp through a crap tci stall and a 4l60. again not goin after you just sayin the motor in that vid is bad and you daid the turbo was bad and the bs3 looked like crap. so why not just switch everything back, he has already offered to do that once

that block is fucked up. why the hell would chris sell something like that? give that guy his money

Wow guys this is a bad deal for one or both of you... I have spent thousands of dollars on here without issue... but its threads like this that scare the shit out of me...

I can say that i am not the kind of person to take getting screwed over very well. I would not have a problem to drive across the country to get things set straight, one way or another. It seems just as wrong for me to let someone get away with something like that, as it is to screw someone. IDK thats just my opinion, lol..

Morals, Values, Honesty, and Integrity thats what you base a persons value off of in this world... if you dont have these things.... well then your worthless!!!!

Sorry for the rambling, I hope you two get things straightened out! I hate to see things like this happen.

Blaine

Wow guys this is a bad deal for one or both of you... I have spent thousands of dollars on here without issue... but its threads like this that scare the shit out of me...

I can say that i am not the kind of person to take getting screwed over very well. I would not have a problem to drive across the country to get things set straight, one way or another. It seems just as wrong for me to let someone get away with something like that, as it is to screw someone. IDK thats just my opinion, lol..

Morals, Values, Honesty, and Integrity thats what you base a persons value off of in this world... if you dont have these things.... well then your worthless!!!!

Sorry for the rambling, I hope you two get things straightened out! I hate to see things like this happen.

Blaine


i feel you but owning 2 business doesnt give me time to drive across country you can see in the vid the block is no good he did try to resolve the problem but at my expense as soon as all this junk sells i will let you know exactly how much i got screwed out of

like i said 100 times now, send me the motor and the builder will fix any issues. im not going to say a good motor is junk over a camera phone video,

for the 100th time i am not sending you the motor at my expense. your builders creditability is very questionable first off the vid shows that your builder obviously isnt a good as you say to let it go like that 2nd there was so much debris in the engine did he do it in a sand storm 3rd there were nothing but mis matched bolts in the motor 4th there are over half of the washers missing for the head and main studs. i dont know a builder that puts a motor together like this unless he figures it wouldnt be opened for a while and by then it would be the owners prob...

for the 100th time i am not sending you the motor at my expense. your builders creditability is very questionable first off the vid shows that your builder obviously isnt a good as you say to let it go like that 2nd there was so much debris in the engine did he do it in a sand storm 3rd there were nothing but mis matched bolts in the motor 4th there are over half of the washers missing for the head and main studs. i dont know a builder that puts a motor together like this unless he figures it wouldnt be opened for a while and by then it would be the owners prob...

that post helps me a ton.. the fact that you say over half the washers are missing is absolute bs, nothing but mismatched bolts also bs, also that you wont send me the motor at a $120.00 expense on a $3000 motor you say tells me something.


Also SSman02(jay) i have confirmation from david that the motor YOU build had to be reringed, the heads off that motor are on another member car doing just fine. So your credibility is absolute 100% crap. just admit you replaced the ring, dont be a lier.

that post helps me a ton.. the fact that you say over half the washers are missing is absolute bs, nothing but mismatched bolts also bs, also that you wont send me the motor at a $120.00 expense on a $3000 motor you say tells me something.


Also SSman02(jay) i have confirmation from david that the motor YOU build had to be reringed, the heads off that motor are on another member car doing just fine. So your credibility is absolute 100% crap. just admit you replaced the ring, dont be a lier.

the rear cover had 3 different kind of bolts all stock ones but from different locations some were short some long pm traceyrr ask him how many washers are missing he will tell you. 120 extra is 120 i say the condition the motor came to me in and how much debris was in it why have your guy re do it because he didnt do it right the first time and have it in the back of my head that it may have been done exactly the same. then i just have to pull it apart again to make sure it was done right get my drift?

i live in bs chris you know where to find me. feel free to come check out the motor it has the exact same rings in it as it always did. only thing changed was top ring bc david bought a moly top ring which isnt good for nitrous you should know that. David can say what he wants but he hasnt seen or heard anything about this motor since the day it came out of his car. so you dont be a lier and fix this guys engine. pay the shipping its 120.00 like you said im sure you can afford that i mean come on you got a tahoe, a vorteched srt8 jeep, turdo camaro, an a new house, i dont think your hurtin for cash so settle the problem

ok JAY, explain then why GARY(nemesis SN) had to try to fix the motor, because you were too incompetent to fix it yourself and david wouldnt let you TOUCH the motor unless you bought it. PERIOD. Dont chime in on a thread stating that you have knowledge or what not. you dont, This thread is unbelievable, a reputable machine shop assembles a motor that had no problems before refreshing. the motor now is now junk, the purchaser changes the story every post, another member with little to no knowledge chimes in and says i can afford to fix the problem so i should

Again send me the motor, thats all i can do,

ok JAY, explain then why GARY(nemesis SN) had to try to fix the motor, because you were too incompetent to fix it yourself and david wouldnt let you TOUCH the motor unless you bought it. PERIOD. Dont chime in on a thread stating that you have knowledge or what not. you dont, This thread is unbelievable, a reputable machine shop assembles a motor that had no problems before refreshing. the motor now is now junk, the purchaser changes the story every post, another member with little to no knowledge chimes in and says i can afford to fix the problem so i should

Again send me the motor, thats all i can do,


i would love to know where my story changed. It is with a machine shop right now i will have him chime in when the results are in there is no way i am paying to ship it to you then pulling it apart when i get it to make sure its right doesnt make any sence if these people would have seen this motor when i got it you would have been really flamed pm r&dmachine on here he pulled it apart he will tell you how much of a discrace it was. Tell your machine guy to close his doors in the desert when he assembles a motor

Man I dont know all the issues or the facts but I from La and have had dealings with Rich he is a stand up guy and very easy to deal with. I hope this gets worked out for both partys. I see that Jose will fix your turbo problem for 270 dollars thats alot cheaper then the 1K you were quoted thats a huge savings right there.. Perhaps Rich's builder can come back with a simular solution and it not be much to repair. Again dont flame me Im voicing my opion here.

I do know that if I bought a engine and it came to me in this condition I would personally take the block and wrap it around the person that sold it to me with a chain and drop his ass off a bride to never be found. Again thats just me, Im from Louisiana and come from a ( what you call ) very big family orientated support system if you get what I mean.

I truely hope you guys can make it right. I hate seeing shit like this with people I have dealt with in the past or on this site period.