Automotive News, Media & Press - 2007 GTO release info in Hot Rodding

Just got my October 2004 issue and it has an article on page 12 "2006 to be banner year for new musclecars".

The GTO that will debuit in 2006 for the 2007 model year has the rpm guage on the hood and the ram air more towards the front. The article has a pic but I am unable to find one to post. The grill is redesigned and does not look like a Grand Am or Grand Prix. It looks pretty good.

But, what about power? It will have the LS2 with 400 HP. It should MSRP for $33k and it will be built on the Zeta platform (which most all of us already know). It will also have 2 seperate outlets for the dual exhaust.

For the GTO fans this should bode well since GM blames the lack luster styling on it's currently low sales.

Impression here
http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2687

Keep in mind of course that Lutz hates retro and this is Hot Rod's interpretation (Hot Rod loves Retro).

-Adam

that doesnt look that bad but its too round....But its better than the one now so at least they r gettn better.

THAT IS AWESOME, looks tough:D Finally GM got some Balls

oh man, that does look totally awesome...

built in the US?

and no, I don't know what the Zeta platform is...

I know I'll probably get flamed, but I like the GTO as it is now. I say put a hood scoop on it and flare the fenders a little maybe and it's good to go.

Guys this is NOT a GM concept, this is a Hot Rod Magazine concept. Bob Lutz has already said the next GTO will not be retro.

Tony,
Zeta is the derivitive of the Sigma (CTS-V) chassis that the next generation Camaro and GTO will ride on.

-Adam

then Lutz is an Idiot:D stop making soulless cars and make something that stands out in a crowd, I about to switch to Ford if this shit doesnt quit!!!!

I don't like that :(

But atleast it looks better than the 2005 Roush Mustang that was released today :barf: :barf: :barf:

Zeta platform? Good. I for one am not happy that the current Goat is based on the same platform as the Cadallic Catera :emb:

-Todd

then Lutz is an Idiot:D stop making soulless cars and make something that stands out in a crowd, I about to switch to Ford if this shit doesnt quit!!!!


Lutz also said that the GTO will be designed in Australia.

That is a crock of dung IMO. If it is gonna have the Pontiac GTO badge then it needs to be designed and built here with American muscle and know how and not some Ausi version. :mad:

Sorry..... Had to let off some steam.

Lutz also said that the GTO will be designed in Australia.

That is a crock of dung IMO. If it is gonna have the Pontiac GTO badge then it needs to be designed and built here with American muscle and know how and not some Ausi version. :mad:

Sorry..... Had to let off some steam.

Yea the GTO needs to be built and designed here.

Fun Fact: Theres more people that live in North Texas than live in Australia Total.

then Lutz is an Idiot:D stop making soulless cars and make something that stands out in a crowd, I about to switch to Ford if this shit doesnt quit!!!!


Yea, the new GTO is cool to say "Wow, A GTO" But its not a true Goat. Just an Aussie car with a different name stuck on it.....I garauntee if you look hard enough or peel a sticker off on it....you'll find the badge "Holden Manaro"
We'll have to wait for the auto shows to come rolling around again to see the new GTO.

And i don't know if i could go to Fjord. not a happy customer with them......but dodge i would consider or i'll just get a vette, when i get in the market for a NEW car.

then Lutz is an Idiot:D stop making soulless cars and make something that stands out in a crowd, I about to switch to Ford if this shit doesnt quit!!!!Lutz didn't design the GTO. He did see a gap in the Pontiac line up and moved an existing car over here. I think the cars he has designed (like the Solstice and C6 Vette) have plenty of soul. GM is in better hands now than ever...unless you guys want to go back to the days of platform consolidation FWD everything Roger Smith http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_barf.gif

Lutz didn't design the GTO. He did see a gap in the Pontiac line up and moved an existing car over here. I think the cars he has designed (like the Solstice and C6 Vette) have plenty of soul. GM is in better hands now than ever...unless you guys want to go back to the days of platform consolidation FWD everything Roger Smith http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_barf.gif


Solstice is pretty cool in design. And the C6 has a badass powerplant.

I hope to see something better though. And, wasn't Lutz more popular with the retro? I know GM does not plan on the retro thing.

Lutz also said that the GTO will be designed in Australia.

That is a crock of dung IMO. If it is gonna have the Pontiac GTO badge then it needs to be designed and built here with American muscle and know how and not some Ausi version. :mad:

Sorry..... Had to let off some steam.

Uh huh, and the F-bodies have been shoddily built in Canada for how many years?

Sorry... just had to point out some irony. :jest:

I'd also like to say the Australians have a much better grasp on crafting muscle cars than the US has had for YEARS, it's crazy. They properly engineer the entire car, not just the engine, and assemble them much better. They also are treated to a huge variety to pick from, not just whale sized coupes with useless backseats and live truck axles in the back.

I'm glad GM is giving their Australian engineers the task of designing the Zeta for scratch for new global cars, they do a fantastic job of it and leave the US to worry about redoing trucks and SUVs, something we're good at.

Zeta is the derivitive of the Sigma (CTS-V) chassis that the next generation Camaro and GTO will ride on.


It's not derivative of anything. It's a completely clean sheet design being worked on now in Australia. The redesigned Holden Commodore will be the first GM car to utilize it.

Just an Aussie car with a different name stuck on it.....I garauntee if you look hard enough or peel a sticker off on it....you'll find the badge "Holden Manaro"

If you peeled away the badging on any of the old ones you'd find they were simply common Pontiac economy cars.

I'm glad GM didn't go that route for 2004. They chose the best coupe (and one of their best cars period) in their product arsenal to resurrect the name, and it does a damn fine job of it. Now they have their best RWD gurus responsible for the first one working on the next one, and this time it's being engineered to be a GTO as a well as a Monaro.

I'm sure it will distress you and ActionJack to know the man who styled the Monaro is now in charge of styling GM's North American product line up. :devil:

Sorry, but i know its a tradition on the GTO's, but the tack on the outside...ruined it

It's not derivative of anything. It's a completely clean sheet design being worked on now in Australia. The redesigned Holden Commodore will be the first GM car to utilize it.It's about as "clean sheet" as the C6 is over the C5. The Zeta uses much of the Sigma architecture but with a lower Firewall to allow a lower belt line. (And sleeker hood).

-Adam

Sorry, but i know its a tradition on the GTO's, but the tack on the outside...ruined it

no way man, that is exactly the types of things GM needs to do and go back to the roots of the GTO a bit more.

I'm more worried about how much power they actually dyno and how much they weigh.

They're was alot of complaints coming from the CTS-V owners, they had the LS6 but said the cars dyno'd so low. The GTO's are heavy pigs, I think they probaly would of sold a little better within the racing community if they were a little lighter.

After spending some time behind the wheel of a GTO, I say the car is spot with the exception of the weight. You feel it around the curves too much. The car doesn't wallow, but you can feel it working against you. If it's weight was more in line with other 2 door coupes I think it would be a home run. That said the Monaro platform was never designed for a two door coupe, so there are many compromises in the design that aren't ideal for the GTO purpose (my understanding is it's built for light off-road work to cope with Aussie roads). I'm sure a GTO built on a purpose built Zeta platform will be the bussiness. Good things a comming!

Oh and the above said, The currnet GTO with an Ls2 and sticky rubber is going to be a fantastic car I'm sure.

I'd also like to say the Australians have a much better grasp on crafting muscle cars than the US has had for YEARS, it's crazy. They properly engineer the entire car, not just the engine, and assemble them much better. They also are treated to a huge variety to pick from, not just whale sized coupes with useless backseats and live truck axles in the back.

I'm glad GM is giving their Australian engineers the task of designing the Zeta for scratch for new global cars, they do a fantastic job of it and leave the US to worry about redoing trucks and SUVs, something we're good at.

That is some horse :turd:

I highly doubt the Australians can ANYTHING better on any type of car than the USA. :usa:

So far I am not impressed with anything from Australia except "Crocodile Hunter".

With all the new HP, the people at GTO better change the design if they want to sell very many. The concept is so much better looking than what they are offering us today. I don't know if new look concepts really have a chance or they already have the future designs in place. To compete with the big boys, GTO needs to make a statement, and make it bold.

I know I'll probably get flamed, but I like the GTO as it is now. I say put a hood scoop on it and flare the fenders a little maybe and it's good to go.
I agree, I like the sleeper look. Plus the 04's will be cheaper :) :judge:

Guys this is NOT a GM concept, this is a Hot Rod Magazine concept. Bob Lutz has already said the next GTO will not be retro.

Tony,
Zeta is the derivitive of the Sigma (CTS-V) chassis that the next generation Camaro and GTO will ride on.

-Adam
No Sorry Zeta is the RWD platform From Holden which is what most of your RWD cars will ride on :)

Lutz also said that the GTO will be designed in Australia.

That is a crock of dung IMO. If it is gonna have the Pontiac GTO badge then it needs to be designed and built here with American muscle and know how and not some Ausi version. :mad:

Sorry..... Had to let off some steam.
Hey you guys came to us and picked it, There are far more high performence models in the stables you just picked the slowest one :)
And if it wasn't for Aussie versions you would be lost right now with no zeta. And Holden Aussie are teaching GM how to build differnt models of the one platform which saves money which brings in cheaper cars and more high performence cars :) If it wasn't for this Aussie Version the GTO would never have got legs to walk again :burn:

I don't like that :(

But atleast it looks better than the 2005 Roush Mustang that was released today :barf: :barf: :barf:

Zeta platform? Good. I for one am not happy that the current Goat is based on the same platform as the Cadallic Catera :emb:

-Todd
No the Current GTO is based on a Holden Commodore platform. ;)

If you peeled away the badging on any of the old ones you'd find they were simply common Pontiac economy cars.

I'm glad GM didn't go that route for 2004. They chose the best coupe (and one of their best cars period) in their product arsenal to resurrect the name, and it does a damn fine job of it. Now they have their best RWD gurus responsible for the first one working on the next one, and this time it's being engineered to be a GTO as a well as a Monaro.

I'm sure it will distress you and ActionJack to know the man who styled the Monaro is now in charge of styling GM's North American product line up. :devil:
:cheers: :headbang: :thumb:

That is some horse :turd:

I highly doubt the Australians can ANYTHING better on any type of car than the USA. :usa:

So far I am not impressed with anything from Australia except "Crocodile Hunter".
Live in a box ? Well we slapped together a Monaro Called the HRT427. It never went into production but i'll tell you the features of it.
Full Racing Suspension, Racing brakes, race style intiria, half rollcage, 3472.3 lbs. Best 7LT 560 bhp, 780 Nm / 575 ft lbs @ 4800 rpm, Tremec T56 M12 6 speed Manual, And can be registed :).
Top Speed 300 km/h / 186 mph +
0-60 mph Acceleration 3.8 s :judge:
See what Aussies can do with a U.S donk :burn:

Just curious, what's a donk? Sweet looking car, by the way.

Aussie slang for a Engine :D
We go have a look at this donk mate, Some look and get worried about that lol :D

You ausie guys get all the cool cars :(

I remember reading about your Taurus. Freakin V-8 or turbo V6 :cry:

-Todd

Aussie slang for a Engine :D
We go have a look at this donk mate, Some look and get worried about that lol :D
Nice, you guys have some strange slang down there.:D

I want that Monaro that SlickHolden linked to! Come state-side, please! :eek2:

Too bad it'll never happen. :cry:

Live in a box ? Well we slapped together a Monaro Called the HRT427. It never went into production but i'll tell you the features of it.
Full Racing Suspension, Racing brakes, race style intiria, half rollcage, 3472.3 lbs. Best 7LT 560 bhp, 780 Nm / 575 ft lbs @ 4800 rpm, Tremec T56 M12 6 speed Manual, And can be registed :).
Top Speed 300 km/h / 186 mph +
0-60 mph Acceleration 3.8 s :judge:
See what Aussies can do with a U.S donk :burn:


That is pretty good :thumb:

But US of A does better....

427 yummmmmm

You ausie guys get all the cool cars :(

I remember reading about your Taurus. Freakin V-8 or turbo V6 :cry:

-Todd
Ford oz love to grab a car and tune for fun, They played with a focus cant remember what they did but it's was good :)

That is pretty good :thumb:

But US of A does better....
In what way ? cause i have plenty that would knock your socks off dude :)
Here some more Aussie cars :D
First is called the HSV Maloo R8 RWD 285KW.
Second is called the HSV Avalanche XUV, AWD 270KW..:D

In what way ? cause i have plenty that would knock your socks off dude :)
Here some more Aussie cars :D
First is called the HSV Maloo R8 RWD 285KW.
Second is called the HSV Avalanche XUV, AWD 270KW..:D


These are production cars?

If so, what are some numbers (HP, RWHP, 0 to 60, 1/4, etc)?

These are production cars?

If so, what are some numbers (HP, RWHP, 0 to 60, 1/4, etc)?
Firs of all here we do standing start times not rolling.

And yes they are straight from the factory the way they are.

The Maloo R8 is 285KW 380-385 HP. @ the wheels ??? Don't know that.
The Avalanche XUV 270KW 360-365 HP. @ the wheel again i don't no.

Speeds for the Maloo R8 ute 0-100kph 5.3 sec. 0-400m 13.5sec
Speeds for the Avalanche XUV 0-100kph 6.5sec 0-400m 14.6

That is pretty good :thumb:

But US of A does better....

FFS :eyes:

Well I guess if you consider the Chrysler LX cars then yes, the USA does build some pretty bad ass RWD V8 powered stuff. But oh wait, they share parts with the MB E-Class so they're part German. Give credit where credit is due. I'll admit that the Aussie built RWD V8 powered Sedans and Coupes are a bit understated and conservative in the styling department, but they absolutely PWN THE USA in terms of powertrain layout. The fact of the matter is that if it weren't for the Monaro, GM wouldn't even have a four seat RWD V8 powered vehicle in its US portfolio right now that isn't a truck or a Cadillac.

BTW that rendering of the 2007 GTO is fakin hideous. Thank God Lutz is anti-retro. The last thing we need is another nostalgia mobile with a tach on the hood because it "looks cool." Can you say RICE? Let the classics be. The originals will always be classics and lets leave it that way instead of raping musclecar heritage. Thank God Cadillac grew some balls and went ahead with their controversial art & science theme instead of trying to pull some sort of retro shit. Retro is for when you suck and run out of ideas and therefore are unable to conjure up something fresh and new. The SSR and the upcoming HHR are ugly beyond belief. I'm down with a few retro cues here and there, but a pure retro car is just recockulous and demonstrates a lack of originality in the styling department.

God bless the Aussies, and God bless forward thinking.

God bless the Aussies, and God bless forward thinking.

:rotflmao:

We can all help each other out :D
I have had a rumour that you guys might be getting some of our utes to be badged as (Alcamino sorry about the spelling if wrong) They look like these:)
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=15&navid=1

We can all help each other out :D
I have had a rumour that you guys might be getting some of our utes to be badged as (Alcamino sorry about the spelling if wrong) They look like these:)
http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/vehicleentry?vehicleid=15&navid=1
Well it's El Camino, but I guess we can forgive you this time.;) I've been hearing about that for a few years now. Just do it already GM!:burn:

Firs of all here we do standing start times not rolling.

And yes they are straight from the factory the way they are.

The Maloo R8 is 285KW 380-385 HP. @ the wheels ??? Don't know that.
The Avalanche XUV 270KW 360-365 HP. @ the wheel again i don't no.

Speeds for the Maloo R8 ute 0-100kph 5.3 sec. 0-400m 13.5sec
Speeds for the Avalanche XUV 0-100kph 6.5sec 0-400m 14.6

Sounds like some pretty nice rides. But, to be real GM has not been making to many vehicles in the USA any longer. Except for LeSabre and a few others. So, I would have to pull another manufacturers car to compete as stated. IMO, it just pisses me off that GM claims to be a USA automaker and they barely make anything in the USA any longer. They should give Australia credit for their Holdens and stop this GTO advertising.


Also, bruddah_man_matt, man you ned to stop all the 'haten'. You sound funny though.

You know what was said when a aussie guy asked a pontiac boss why didnt you just call it a holden monaro he said holden means nothing here.
A funny thing over this way in NewZeland they called all holden cars Chev why i don't know but it confussed them cause they watch our V8 Supercar championship and see ford Vs Holden cause there are guys from NewZeland in it, they know the cars as holden but were confussed why they were names Chev in there country, So someone had a brain wave all of a sudden and just left them as Holdens now there not confussed anymore.
I don't mind if a Holden Monaro is called pontiac or chev as long as it atlest keeps the monaro name. Maybe if the Car was pontiac Monaro then it would have been accepted more.:) Or even Pontiac GTS ?

Pontiac Monaro :thumb:

You know what was said when a aussie guy asked a pontiac boss why didnt you just call it a holden monaro he said holden means nothing here.
A funny thing over this way in NewZeland they called all holden cars Chev why i don't know but it confussed them cause they watch our V8 Supercar championship and see ford Vs Holden cause there are guys from NewZeland in it, they know the cars as holden but were confussed why they were names Chev in there country, So someone had a brain wave all of a sudden and just left them as Holdens now there not confussed anymore.
I don't mind if a Holden Monaro is called pontiac or chev as long as it atlest keeps the monaro name. Maybe if the Car was pontiac Monaro then it would have been accepted more.:) Or even Pontiac GTS ?
Following this line should the Holden Commodore be renamed as an Opel Omega? :D

Why there is no opel omega anymore, And from what i herd it was a bad drive :(
Some places might call it a opel but never omega :D

Also, bruddah_man_matt, man you ned to stop all the 'haten'. You sound funny though.

Judging by your responses, you sound very intelligent. No offense man but "USA can do better", I mean what the heck? If anyone is "haten" as you say, sorry buddy but it's you. Hypocrisy much?

Judging by your responses, you sound very intelligent. No offense man but "USA can do better", I mean what the heck? If anyone is "haten" as you say, sorry buddy but it's you. Hypocrisy much?

Sigh... :popcorn:

-Todd