Automotive News, Media & Press - 2007 camaro?!

hey i dont know if people have seen this yet but i just read an article in road and track magazine that made me need to mop the floor of my drool when i was done reading....basically it says that gm is TRYING to figure out how to bring the camaro back and it says it will have a 3.6L 240bhp RS :eek2: the 5.3L in the regular z28 for 300bhp and the LS2 that is in the GTO into the SS for around 400bhp..there are pictures as well and i am just waiting and praying they do it right this time around if they do it at all :confused: i was saving to get a t/a ws6 next summer but i think ill save for another year and buy a brand new 2007 Camaro SS 40th anniversary edition :drive: any comments?

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Ill believe it when I see it. Theyve been floating that little tid bit around since before the camaro was even killed off, but since them with all the budget cuts, the supposed sigma lite platform (the camaro would have been built on) has been cancelled. There was some talk about it moving to the delta (?) platform, but again with the poor financial situation GM will likely be putting money into SUVs that are already proven to sell.

yeah ill believe it when i see it

and if its true i think its lame that the z28 wont have a lsx in it

and if its true i think its lame that the z28 wont have a lsx in it

Actually, if it were true, the z28 would have the 300 HP LS4 in it. The motor is againable in select pontiac grand prix's i believe, although its mounted sideways :(

ah ok

well its lame then that it has less hp than the gen 4 cars

how bout that haha

Like everyone else I'll believe it when I see it. If they aren't going to do it right, I don't want them to do it at all. It needs a bad ass engine, and a decent rear end this time around. I can see maybe switching out to a better posi or upgrading gears, but making one of the first mods a $2000+ rear end is BS.

yeah i want a 12 bolt stock and at least 400 horsies :D

I am with everyone else... GM is laying of the 25,000 and then giving away their discount. The Trans Ams are collector cars now, camaros are usually collectable but now the 3rd and 4th are. I hope they dont bring it back. I hope the GTO gets killed also. I am not bitter or anything lol. GM is a plain old generic car until they face the facts and look into retro they cant compete. shit the vette finally got new interior and non popup lights 50 years later. I wonder why chevy doesnt ad a 6spd v6 into a vette for those who cant afford the 52K price tag on top of the Insurance all the f bodies were was a vette with 2 more seats. Sorry for the long post

I read an article with some pics a month or two ago that said because of budget they scraped the new platform that was going to be used on the Camaro. They said they were going to use the aussie platform from the GTO, with a 69 camaro body that has the retro look. So it will have the 400hp LS-2 and the M6 tranny. The Bad thing is that it will also have the IRS rearend. The one that hops and breaks jack shafts when you start getting too much above 400 RWHP. My GTO wheel hops like crazy with heads, cam and 405RWHP. The gen 4 F-bodies are much sturdier built.

The rumor now is that GM will have a Chevy RWD V8 at the 2006 NAIAS and it is beleived a 'Camaro' will be here for 2007 on a Sigma Lite. Most likely a LS2. There is also rumor the C6 is testing with a SC, if so the Shelby Cobra will be no problem.

The Trans Ams are collector cars now, camaros are usually collectable but now the 3rd and 4th are.

ok well to that comment do you guys think 20 years from now the ls1s will be collectors and be worths 10s of thousands like the 69 camaro or the 79 trans am etc etc? or do you think they will turn out like the el caminos and have mullet drivin rednecks (no pun intended) drivin them around like they are neons?

I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see how the camaro will fit into their plans especially when they will introduce a RWD Monte Carlo SS for 06 or 07 with I believe a 5.3L engine rated at over 300 horses and works similar to the 5.7L Hemi with the variable displacement technology. Also the price for this car would be in the same territory as the Camaro.

chevy has disappointed me lately like the new impala ss is going to have a V-8 but is going to be FWD that's what I heard at least The only thing that would impress me is if they had a supercharged ls2 but thats not going to happen. :lurk:

ok well to that comment do you guys think 20 years from now the ls1s will be collectors and be worths 10s of thousands like the 69 camaro or the 79 trans am etc etc? or do you think they will turn out like the el caminos and have mullet drivin rednecks (no pun intended) drivin them around like they are neons?


I dont think it will be that much but look at the prices i bought a 2000 TA for 14K compared to the 12K i spent on my 79 and the car doesnt even compare. Plus when you discontinue something there will an increase in demand. look at the GNX didnt sell many in those days but now shit you cant get one for under 22K when it sold for that much back then.....

I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see how the camaro will fit into their plans especially when they will introduce a RWD Monte Carlo SS for 06 or 07 with I believe a 5.3L engine rated at over 300 horses and works similar to the 5.7L Hemi with the variable displacement technology. Also the price for this car would be in the same territory as the Camaro.

It will fit into their plans, don't worry. Do you honestly think GM is going to just sit back while Ford continues with their mustang and now Chrysler starts pumping out the chargers. I was actually told by the source it would be out again, that is all I can say.

And as for the engine selections (if it is true), they seem to be okay in my book. The big dogs will buy the SS and the avg joe or young kids that want a decently quick car but dont want to lose an arm and a leg on car insurance will go for the 300hp Z28. I do think that the LS2 is a poor choice for the SS model though. If they don't put an LS7 in it I am gonna protest! :judge:
If they put the LS2 in, then the cobra wins. This is something they have always paid close attention to.

Somehow I don't think you'll see a Camaro with a hand-built engine that itself costs $13k :)

The new Camaro (if it ever comes to fruition) will never have the LS7... you can count on that. In order to sell, the car would have to be below the (base model) Corvette in price... and with the LS7 in it, the Camaro would certainly be quicker (in a straight line) than the Corvette. This is the main reason that we'll never see it.

Personally, I'd rather have lower weight, anyhow... the LS2 is plenty of motor for the car, if they could get the curb weight for a decently equipped (non-stripper) down to 3300-3400 pounds (from 3600 or so for the average LS1 4th gen). Put a (STOUT!!) solid axle in it, and carry over the previous F-car suspension. BIG increase in chassis rigidity needed, too (read: ditch the T-tops, and offer only hardtop and convertible models). Toss in a T56, and sell it for, say, $27k (decently equipped, Z28 model). The previous brakes were certainly a good starting point, and could be used for simplicity/cost effectiveness. Make the SS something special as opposed to a more-or-less appearance package... give it another 50 (actual) horsepower (I don't care, use a slightly more aggressive cam), bigger brakes (4 piston units on the front and two piston on the rears), C5 Z06 (MN12) gearing in the transmission, with a cowl hood (assuming that it's retro-styled). Also, for all V8 models, a TRUE DUAL EXHAUST. Offer a performance 3.90:1 rear gear ratio, and between the extra power and better gearing, I'd be willing to bet that the SS would be a good .3-.5 quicker through the quarter mile (than my theoretical Z28). Start SS pricing at $32k, and I think you'd be alright. Also, offer the 1LE suspension package on ALL models. Hell, maybe even offer an option for all the brake/suspension goodies on the RS/base/V6 models... that'd make a hell of a little commuter/canyon carver.

Note that I don't think that any of that will actually happen, but I think that if GM got serious about it, it'd be a realistic possibility... the motor exists (well, maybe not the 450hp SS version, but we're not talking about TOO much work to get it there), the transmission is something that they have used in the past, and the work on the suspension geometry has already been done. The base/Z28 brakes, are, again, pretty much a known entity/inventory item, and really the only major part left (aside from the chassis, obviously) is the rear end (cut down a truck unit for a quick and easy fix) and the brakes for the SS model.

Somehow I don't think you'll see a Camaro with a hand-built engine that itself costs $13k :)
True. A blown LS2 should suffice.

no t-tops nooooooooooooooooo :cry:

with the way GM is doing right now, if they don't pick up the pace soon then I do not believe we will see a camaro in 2007. they are running out of time quick

The Trans Ams are collector cars now, camaros are usually collectable but now the 3rd and 4th are.

i'm a little confused here... how are these collector cars? as far as i've seen, the value of these cars are dropping significantly

True. A blown LS2 should suffice.
yeah I know just a thought

i'm a little confused here... how are these collector cars? as far as i've seen, the value of these cars are dropping significantly
well it's the last of the F-body

its only been 3 years. shit I had to get my TA 85 miles away. it was the only 6spd ls1 in the area all the others were V6 autos.i think once 07 passes and there isnt anything to beat on the cobra you'll see a influx of the f bodies. look at all the companies who offer conversion for 3rd gen. but what are you gonna do

I saw a 2002 Aniv. SS with 25 miles on autotrader for $40,000

no t-tops nooooooooooooooooo :cry:

Targa top is just as good if not better. :)

2007 Camaro or Camaro Clone?

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0504/13/B01-148937.htm

Wtf is GM thinking! We all want to know. And that part that pissed me off about this artical was:

But the cars fell from favor in the late 1990s as young consumers shifted to sport utility vehicles and front-wheel drive passenger cars and production ended in 2002.

FUCKING RICERS :bang:

Well I heard that GM is just gonna shut down and go away. Sorry fellas. Heard it from a really reliable source too.

Well I heard that GM is just gonna shut down and go away. Sorry fellas. Heard it from a really reliable source too.


ALL of GM??? I dont know about that. There's a few brands they could kill off first.

I am with everyone else... GM is laying of the 25,000 and then giving away their discount. The Trans Ams are collector cars now, camaros are usually collectable but now the 3rd and 4th are. I hope they dont bring it back. I hope the GTO gets killed also. I am not bitter or anything lol. GM is a plain old generic car until they face the facts and look into retro they cant compete. shit the vette finally got new interior and non popup lights 50 years later. I wonder why chevy doesnt ad a 6spd v6 into a vette for those who cant afford the 52K price tag on top of the Insurance all the f bodies were was a vette with 2 more seats. Sorry for the long post


This post is the biggest joke in the world!!! GM a plain old car and should look to retro.....are you on crack RETRO SUCKS ASS. I see it worked well for ford so far since they had to dump the Thunderbird, and I bet the Mustang will be looking at a redesign very soon, since it looks like a old dog that was taught some new tricks. The previous model was the good looking and mean as hell looking all it needed was a few new styling cues, not a whole redesign. Retro naming is cool, but not styling! Pop up lights are the shit enough said, how could you not like it! As for your last comment that must be an F....ING joke right a V6 6SPD VETTE what the hell is wrong with you, its meant to be unaffordable its cream of the crop americas top muscle car. I would hate to see hundreds of vette driving around town like honda civic, that would just suck ass.

In my closing I would like to thank the LORD ALL MIGHTY that you are not in charge of GM or any other manufacturers.

Lets not go backward in time with automobiles people RETRO design is for baseball, basketball and other sports jerseys, not cars! THANKS ALL :chug:

I couldnt dissagree with you more, santino04. IMO the best looking camaro was the first year camaro. The closer a would-be fifth gen looks to the 67-68 first gen, the better. I never liked the retro styling of the t-birds, but i think ford nailed it with the new mustang. The sales numbers are proving that.

I saw a 2002 Aniv. SS with 25 miles on autotrader for $40,000their pretty cool but not cool enough to spend 40k on. How much was the wheel/stripe package Trans am?

I don't think the blue book on my T/A has dropped more than $1k in the last 2 years.
When I got my '99 in '01 the value dropped about $2k per year. So they are starting to hold some value.

Yeah, but blue book also rates my car if it were in only fair condition with one million miles on it as being worth almost $10K. Id say its worth about 100 bucks.

I couldnt dissagree with you more, santino04. IMO the best looking camaro was the first year camaro. The closer a would-be fifth gen looks to the 67-68 first gen, the better. I never liked the retro styling of the t-birds, but i think ford nailed it with the new mustang. The sales numbers are proving that.

Yeah all those sales are from retired people, the baby boomers. All of them I have seen some 50 to 60 old person as been driving them. Dodge doesnt seem to have to go retro, and they have once kick ass looking Charger.

Im done with this thread Later!

Yeah all those sales are from retired people, the baby boomers. All of them I have seen some 50 to 60 old person as been driving them. Dodge doesnt seem to have to go retro, and they have once kick ass looking Charger.

Im done with this thread Later!


Maybe it has to do with the differeing areas of the country.

I found something I disagree with even more than in my last post. I think the charger look positively putrid. Again, its just my opinion, but probably shared my the majority in my area. Dodge had a great looking charger concept car on their website a few years back, but this itiration of the charger does nothing for me.

Also, Ive seen most new mustangs being driven by kids about my age (mid 20s) not baby boomers. Theyre retiring and far too old for a sports car now. They tend to drive BMWs and Lexus's in the fast lane at 20 MPH under the limit with their blinkers stuck on. Maybe I see the occasional 40-somethin or midlife crisis guy driving a new stang, but mainly its the young kids.

i'm a little confused here... how are these collector cars? as far as i've seen, the value of these cars are dropping significantly

Believe it or not... I checked out kbb.com on the value of my Z28. It actually went up by $500 since I bought it. Before I bought my Z a little over a year ago, private party value was around $19.5k. I checked it a few months ago and now it's a couple bucks over $20k.

Never seen that before...

Like everyone else I'll believe it when I see it. If they aren't going to do it right, I don't want them to do it at all. It needs a bad ass engine, and a decent rear end this time around. I can see maybe switching out to a better posi or upgrading gears, but making one of the first mods a $2000+ rear end is BS.

We need LS2's in our bobtails at work... :)


*IF* the Camaro came back... I'd be happy with an LS2. That's probably what the Z28/SS would get any way... although I would see it feasable putting an LS4 into the Z28, and LS2 in the SS. I dont' like the idea, but it sounds like something GM may do.

Just as long as it's a fresh design, and not another rehashed Holden. On a side note, the only Holden I'd like to see in the states is the Maloo, which would be a sweet ass El Camino SS.

But I agree with JsLS1... do it right or don't do it at all. Don't make it another Dodge Charger... (4 door, etc).

I will belive it when I see it but I really do wish that gm would bring back the camaro they sre awesome cars and fun to race :drive:

I guess they're doing it right with the camaro or I hope they are, but chevrolet has really lost it with the cobalt ss and the FWD Impala ss

Dodge doesnt seem to have to go retro, and they have once kick ass looking Charger.
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! I guess you'd be in favor of a 4-Door Camaro, too! :lol: :lol: :rotflmao:

with the way GM is doing right now, if they don't pick up the pace soon then I do not believe we will see a camaro in 2007. they are running out of time quick
:werd: It doesn't look like they have a chance of getting that done. But, I'm still clinging to hope. I really can't believe they would let 2007 go by and miss the absolute best marketing window (40th Anniversary) to bring out the next Camaro. That is, if they really even intend to ever bring it back. :soapbox:

and if its true i think its lame that the z28 wont have a lsx in it


the 5.3 is no joke. yea it's no LS1, but you'll have the LS2 if you want a mean ass car.

I'm still hoping. Surely somebody over at GM sees this big gaping hole in the affordable performance market, especially now since the new mustangs are out.

I will also believe it when i see it GM as well as other companies saying they are going to come out with certain cars. Just at a Chevy dealership the other day and salesman told me yea i think we are bringing it back. Who knows just as long as it is better than the 05 mustang.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! I guess you'd be in favor of a 4-Door Camaro, too! :lol: :lol: :rotflmao:


OH, They'd better not!! :bang: I'd hang my hat up and buy a Cobalt SS or a darn SRT-4.....


I think the new Charger looks 'aaite'... I like the new Stratus's.... I like the front end. two doors are nicey!!

I heard that the F-Body was killed off because GM lost the contract for the land w/ the canadians for the plant that the F-Bod was built on. AND it will take till 2007 or 8 to build another plant in the states and get the supplies and the engineering straight before the can start production again...

50% of me wants to see another Gen of F-bods but, I like owning the last generation of these cars built... I like drooling over new lineups, but I hate not having the $$$$$ for one... I only have one, no two, other F-body's I wish I had.. A 2002 SS and a WS6 T/A.... That's for the 4th gens... I have a thing for the third and second Gens too!

I heard that the F-Body was killed off because GM lost the contract for the land w/ the canadians for the plant that the F-Bod was built on.
I was at the F-Body 35th Anniversary at the Corvette Museum in Sept. '01. I spoke with John Heinricy, John Moss and Scott Settlemire and they all told me the same thing. A.) Yes, the lease was up on the plant in Canada but, more importantly B.) The Federal Safety regualtions changed for '03 and the windshield header on the F-Bods was too low. So, basically, the whole car had to be redesigned anyway. My impression from these guys was that GM was not going to be rushed into a half-ass design for the beloved F-Bodies. So, the best decision at that time was no decision. Since then, unfortunately for the faithful, the stars have not yet aligned. :cry:

^ Cool, atleas I'm not insane.... I forgot where i heard that, but it was the only story that made sense... So I remembered it..


Windshield header was too low? The height of the W.S.??

Windshield header was too low? The height of the W.S.??
Yes. Which basically means they have to raise the roof line.

do people still like mustangs or what?

I think GM needs to get its hands in the aftermarket a little bit more than they are. Like the old days used. go to the parts desk and order a hipo cam, intake, heads. stuff like that. that would make it more interesting I believe. so if you want an ls7 order one up and have GM install it. I didnt say it would be cheap. but I think it would help out. at least in my eyes it would. and warrenty the parts and labor. I know that the cams wouldnt be as radical as we would want but at least it would give those looking to keep the factory warrenty intact the option of making their car faster

Just flipped open the latest Motortrend Mag, Sept. 05' edition, and on page 22 there's an article about Dodge bringing back the "Challenger" pony car for the 2010 model year to go up against the Mustang. Says it has plans to Hemi power it! Damn GM, WTF!!!

Just flipped open the latest Motortrend Mag, Sept. 05' edition, and on page 22 there's an article about Dodge bringing back the "Challenger" pony car for the 2010 model year to go up against the Mustang. Says it has plans to Hemi power it! Damn GM, WTF!!!


Yeah, I got a subscription to Motortrend... read the same thing you did yesterday.


Remember guys.... we still have the GTO! :eyes: :jest:

i think gm is going to let ford and dodge walk their baby nuts around the block and before they know chevy is going to bring out another badass carbut they need to do it right or not it will be like if you take a poodle to a pitbull fight its not pretty but either way i back chevy up

I've been a pessimist all my life.

No reason to change that now...