Stereo & Electronics - XM vs Sirius

Which is your favorite? I listen mainly to any type of rock. I listen to anything from Beatles to System of a Down(although I don't like that tattoo parlor sh!t that all sounds the same with the guy screaming the whole time). I also listen to some rap/hip-hop, but all the crap they play on the top 40 rap stations has gotten pretty lame lately. I also like country, especially the old stuff that nobody plays and I've never heard. Based on this, should I go with Sirius or XM?

I have sirius an love it. Found a great place for the antenna to, right on top of my 12 disc changer. Sirius has all the programming your looking for, plus more. They're both going to have programming you like, I just happen to like sirius better. Look on ebay, you can find a reciever for 30-50 bucks. I got a brand new in box audiovox, it's a nice and small one, for only 45. Just goto sirius.com and you can get a online preview. They stream you all the stations, and you can go through and check them all out for 3 days. Not sure if XM does that though.

Mike

Which is your favorite? I listen mainly to any type of rock.

XM's rock selection sucks. It really really really sucks. Really. I haven't had Sirius before, but have had Dish network (which gets Sirius radio) and they had quite a few rock stations and a couple top 40's type stations.

stern, nuff said.

i have sirius and like it pretty well. it too just like local stations has its moments of playing the same stuff over and over, but i guess you have alot more to switch to, but no matter what im keeping it just so i can listen to stern in '06...... :headbang:

sirius...in both my vehicles and i won't switch

Had both, love rock, XM sux, sirius is good, i just listen to cds now.

Sirius is good, I've got an issue with their techno/dance channels though. It seems i hear the same shit over and over again. Their heavy metal (hard attack) isnt really that hard either.

stern, nuff said.
Yep, enough reason to avoid Sirius ;)

XM here, and mainly due to them being the only ones haveing a Plug'n'Play unit when i got into sat radio. i find their service to be pretty good for me.

First of Stern is the man, but if you would rather they will offer Martha Stewart. :gay: Second Sirius finally has a Plug'n Play reciever comming out for the 4th quarter. Should even be smaller than the XM's. :D

i currently have xm, but currently the selection has started to suck, o & a is pretty sweet but the rock slection on siruis is far better. the only downfall to sirius is the receivers are enourmous, unless you get it direct through your stereo.

well, i bought the xm this week, at 48$ otd at wally world was hard to beat. i guess i am a freak i like salsa music and latin music, it is good, not great, had sirrius on my sat tv, much better. but it was 2x the price. if money was no object i'd say sirrius, but fo r48 bucks and i can switch it bettween my work and own car its easy to answer. xm.

its only taken them 4 years to make it smaller.


all their previous ones were bricks or very very poor design. that tall ass JVC one is a perfect example. huge!


They have had PNP units for some time. took about 2 years after their launch to have them.

Ive had both. I like XM better.

It is said that XM has better signal, and Sirius has better sound quality.

i just went out and bought sirius

i've always loved the sirius stations on dishnet, but i've never tried xm either. or a satellite radio in my car for that matter.

It is said that XM has better signal, and Sirius has better sound quality.

Sound quality is dependent upon what audio system the user has.

as for signal, XMs birds are over the equator so you have to have a southern sky view. Sirius's are in an elliptical orbit with a 4hour loop over the northern US border. giving it a more straightdown look. with XM an aimable antenna is a viable and solid option. with sirius aimables are a little more of a pain, hard to lock in on a moving target. so you really need to try a few positions before it works well.

Sound quality is dependant on many factors - including what audio system the user has. Other critical factors include signal strength, compression factor and method, and even the type of material listened to.

XM uses two satellites in geosynchronous orbits ("Rock" and "Roll") that are in the southern sky over the east and west coasts. Sirius has three satellites that move across the US in orbits that place them more directly above the country. XM antennas need to have a southern view whereas Sirius is more straight overhead. Out on the open road you can lose XM signal just by having a large truck pass on your south side. However, XM has many more repeaters in large cities than Sirius does so the difference is not as great as it might be otherwise.

Experts agree that both satellite services' sound quality degrade rapidly with falling signal strength. This leads to sound quality comparisons that are actually signal strength comparisons.

XM uses AAC compression and assigns equal bandwidth to each of its channels. Sirius uses a proprietary compression algorithm that also dynamically assigns bandwidth based on need. This gives Sirius something of an advantage in music sound quality but makes their talk channels' sound quality really bad (hollow sounding like from a tunnel). Both services have problems with loud, high frequency music reproduction (trumpets, cymbals, etc.) which are bad enough that even a non-audiophile will ask what's wrong with the music.

For the most part, both services are about comparable to 128-bit MP3 recordings - nowhere near CD quality but better than FM radio and without the multipath interference inherent in broadcast FM.

stern, nuff said.
Stren...what a joke, old, washed up, drag queen.

OPIE AND ANTHONY on XM is just killing stern, now and even when he goes to the doggy company.

Hoo Hoo I invented radio...Tell em fred. Hoo Hoo

And now Ron and Fez on XM.

Hoo Hoo thats right robbin!

foundrymusic.com

Howard Stern is the only reason I will be purchacing a Sirius satellite radio in the next 4 months. Everyone has their own opinions, you either like him or hate him.

I listen to a lot of rock, so when I was deciding between the two, I saw that xm (supposedly) had two rock stations to my taste, 42 and 48 ( heavy and alt). After I buy the damn thing and wire it up though, I find out that they axed the heavy rock station because they got baseball. WTF?! Rock is one of the big 3 ( Rap, Rock, and Pop) so I don't know why they would not get rid of one of the less important stations first.

I'll probaly end up switching sometime this year to Sirius.

had xm and i did not like it at all, the clearity and signal sucked compared to sirius

I read an article in Consumer's Digest that said the biggest "flaw", (if you want to call it that), that XM Radio has is the fact that even though it's a paid subscription based service, they still have almost as many commercials on their channels as a regular radio station has. Sirius scored pretty high in the "non commercialization" category, so if commercials bother you, you may consider factoring this into your decision.

and how OLD was this magazine? XM and Sirius are both Commercial Free on the music channels. Sirius from the start. XM for about a year now. Commerical play on their music channels was about 10 minutes per hour at the most.. FM? try 30-40.

and how OLD was this magazine? XM and Sirius are both Commercial Free on the music channels. Sirius from the start. XM for about a year now. Commerical play on their music channels was about 10 minutes per hour at the most.. FM? try 30-40.


For those of you who have trouble distinguishing marketing hype from actual reality, go read this:

http://radio.about.com/od/xmsatelliteradio/a/aa022405a.htm

About.com, now there is a trashsite if i ever saw one. and i've seen that one for years. Sirius does the same little "promos" on their channels as well according to my brother who has it. some customers won't know there is a special program being run on a similer channel unless told, so instead of running the program on 4-5 channels they announce it on others so folks no and can keep the program to 1 channel. get off your "commerical" box as its broken down anyway.

About.com, now there is a trashsite if i ever saw one. and i've seen that one for years. Sirius does the same little "promos" on their channels as well according to my brother who has it. some customers won't know there is a special program being run on a similer channel unless told, so instead of running the program on 4-5 channels they announce it on others so folks no and can keep the program to 1 channel. get off your "commerical" box as its broken down anyway.

You know what Nova5, you're absolutely right. I, Consumer's Digest and About.com, (and all the people who responded to that article), would like to offer you our sincerest apologies for ever thinking that our viewpoints about XMRadio could possibly hold a candle to your vast working knowledge about the satellite radio industry. In fact, your responses here have inspired me to spread the word to Consumer's Digest and About.com, so that they may have the same opportunity to understand that all their data is incorrect and that YOU are the man who truely knows best.

Wait, who are you again...?

At least your willing to acknowledge your ignorance, thats the first step in fixing it! ;)

BTW the "Sponsored By" deals are directly related to the special program currently playing NOT the channel.

XM and Sirius are both Commercial Free on the music channels. Sirius from the start. XM for about a year now.
Sirius does the same little "promos" on their channels as well according to my brother who has it.
At least your willing to acknowledge your ignorance, thats the first step in fixing it!

These would be statements all made by a man who's managed to contradict himself in the span of three posts, yet he's claiming ignorance on the part of others?


About.com, now there is a trashsite if i ever saw one. and i've seen that one for years.

Years? Really? See that's funny, because the date that's up at the top of the article that denotes the time it was published was February 24, 2005. Here's that link again in case you're having trouble finding it:
http://radio.about.com/od/xmsatelliteradio/a/aa022405a.htm
Oh yeah, and here's the followup article that actually posts the responses of the people who originally read the article, and gives their take on whether XM's claims are what they say they are:
http://radio.about.com/od/xmsatelliteradio/a/aa042405a.htm
By the way, THAT article was published April of this year. ;)


BTW the "Sponsored By" deals are directly related to the special program currently playing NOT the channel.

Riiiiiight. I know I, as well as anybody else who is probably reading this thread, would NEVER think that anything following the phrase "Sponsored By" could be anything remotely resembling a commercial. Nova5, what exactly is your argument here? If I didn't know any better, seeing as how adamantly you're defending the "No Commercial" claim from XM, and backing up their definitions of what a "commercial" actually is, I'd think you must be working for the place. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never claimed that Sirius was totally commercial free and XM was not, all I said was that Sirius got a better rating for having fewer commercials. Now, if you want to continue to hold onto the ridiculously stubborn notion that XM is 100% commercial free, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But in the spirit of fair play and majority rule, I'd like to hear what other people who have had experience with XM have to say about whether they believe XM is 100% commercial free like the company advertises it to be. Anyone care to chime in?

a few things cheif,
These would be statements all made by a man who's managed to contradict himself in the span of three posts, yet he's claiming ignorance on the part of others?


There are no contradictions if you use a gram of intelligence. Promos NOT= Commerical. XM DID at its start have commericals on about.. 40% of its channels, and they at the most were going to have 10 minutes. Actually it never got past 6 before the commercials were axed, price remained at the 9.99 price it had had since its start. Only recently with the inception of XMOnline did it rise to the 12.99 price to match sirius.

Sponsored by is ONLY for a certian program and only that small amount is given them, no commercial is played, only a notation..


Years? Really? See that's funny, because the date that's up at the top of the article that denotes the time it was published was February 24, 2005. Here's that link again in case you're having trouble finding it:
http://radio.about.com/od/xmsatelliteradio/a/aa022405a.htm
Oh yeah, and here's the followup article that actually posts the responses of the people who originally read the article, and gives their take on whether XM's claims are what they say they are:
http://radio.about.com/od/xmsatelliteradio/a/aa042405a.htm
By the way, THAT article was published April of this year. ;)

About.com has existed for far more, The comment was directed at the site. Or couldn't you see that? Guess not, especially since there was no connection in my statement to the artical itself, only the SITE!


Riiiiiight. I know I, as well as anybody else who is probably reading this thread, would NEVER think that anything following the phrase "Sponsored By" could be anything remotely resembling a commercial. Nova5, what exactly is your argument here? If I didn't know any better, seeing as how adamantly you're defending the "No Commercial" claim from XM, and backing up their definitions of what a "commercial" actually is, I'd think you must be working for the place. If you'd go back and read my original post, I never claimed that Sirius was totally commercial free and XM was not, all I said was that Sirius got a better rating for having fewer commercials. Now, if you want to continue to hold onto the ridiculously stubborn notion that XM is 100% commercial free, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But in the spirit of fair play and majority rule, I'd like to hear what other people who have had experience with XM have to say about whether they believe XM is 100% commercial free like the company advertises it to be. Anyone care to chime in?

the Promo taggin at the end of a segment or full show on TV isn't a commerical, its who helped pay for that episode, now the commerical that immedialty follows that IS a commerical. Both services BOTH claim 100% commerical free music channels. The short little "This show sponsored by XXXXX" isn't a commercial. as it contains NOTHIGN about the company beyond that, not what they do, what they make, a specific model/item,etc. There is no followup commercial to the sponsor bit. As a Promo (for their OWN Programming on a different channel) is NOT a commercial, there are zero contradictions. Since the ditching of commercials i have never heard a Non XM related promo on it unless it has some relation to the music on that channel such as a concert that is in the works, etc and is spoken by a DJ... although shouldn't they now be called FJ's? File Jockeys?

I'd actually like to work for either them. Network/Computer fella, their technology would be great to work on.

If you distinguish between product commercials and promos for the satellite service (including announcements of special programs on other channels) then both XM and Sirius are commercial free on their music channels. If you don't make that distinction then I suppose you could say that they both have some commercials. The promos are very short announcements made by the DJ between songs and aren't anything like the blocks of advertisments common on FM. In fact, I find them quite informative since I tend to listen mostly to one channel unless I hear about something interesting on another channel.

There are commercials on the non-music channels but even then they are far fewer than on "free" radio. Many of those are because they're re-broadcasting the feed from a regular radio station (e.g. the NFL games are the local station's broadcasts).

Those channels never were claimed to be commercial free, nor were the news rebroadcasts, etc.

It amazes me how incredibly naive some people can be:

There are no contradictions if you use a gram of intelligence. Promos NOT= Commerical.

Okay Einstein, since you seem to be privy to some info that the rest of the world has apparently missed, why don't you clue us in as to what exactly the difference is between a commercial and a promo, and define each of them?

About.com has existed for far more, The comment was directed at the site. Or couldn't you see that? Guess not, especially since there was no connection in my statement to the artical itself, only the SITE!


I can see that the duration of time that About.com has been in existence holds zero relevance to the context of this debate. I know this is asking alot, but could you please try to stay on topic?

the Promo taggin at the end of a segment or full show on TV isn't a commerical, its who helped pay for that episode, now the commerical that immedialty follows that IS a commerical.

Let me ask you this: what do you think the motivation is for a company to give money to a particular interest? To show how nice of a guy they are? Maybe. But wouldn't being nice mean that they would give them the money without expecting anything in return? Ahhhh, here's where the plot thickens. Because it isn't just a one-sided deal. These companies give money to these various interests affiliated with the radio programs because they get something out of it in return: TO GET THEIR NAME MENTIONED. I don't care how many different ways you try to slice this pie, the reason for the existence of ads, promos, commercials, tag-lines, or whatever other fancy terms these companies come up with to confuse you into thinking you're getting something totally different when in reality it's the same damn thing in a different package, is the fact that the main motivation that drives these companies to get their names and slogans out into the public eye all boils down to one simple thing: MAKING MONEY.

As a Promo (for their OWN Programming on a different channel) is NOT a commercial, there are zero contradictions.

The purpose of a commercial is to make money. What was the purpose of a promo again?

I'm done debating this topic. All of your points have been refuted and yet you keep recycling them, and quite frankly your redundancy is getting boring. I will point out once again however that my original statement was only made in reference to Consumer's Digest's findings, so if you want to keep arguing this topic, go argue with them. :)

Commerical = Money Maker
Promo = Hey look whats on another of our OWN channels, doesn't make us money, keeps us from having the same thing on 10 channels at once.

You and are both continue to say the same things, the redundancy is not mine alone.
You're the one who brought up the timeframe, i simply said i find About.com as useful as a poison is healthy.

Promo's in general are to attract attention to a specific event, Promo's for the next episode of your favorite TV show, a new movie(in this case its a dual role also as a commercial so it suckers you to go pay to watch it), or for the next NFL/NHL/NBA/MLB game on some channel.

Getting back on topic, which has the better selection of rock?

Do you by chance have Dish network and their music channels? DishNet also carries Sirius, so you could sample them. music selection is purely personal. i would say both have close numbers. playstyle is the real key choice. Do you prefer FM style hits play? or a broader play of less heard but still good stuff? FM style, go for Sirius. Broader, go for XM. I enjoy XM's rock stuff. 70's, 80's, Top Tracks, Bone Yard, Fred, Lucy, and others.

Both services offer free trials online. Go to their websites and try them then decide which one has the music you prefer. I've had both and prefer Sirius but I know plenty of people who like XM better.

i think the main reason XM has so many more subscribers is simply because it came out first. i got xm upon its inception and had it for four years. it was 100x better than fm and i was completely satisfied. so when sirius came out, like everyone else, i shrugged it off thinking it couldn't be too much better than xm. plus, they were charging $5 more a month.

fast forward to 2005. hip/hop and rap stations on xm become garbage, continue to shorten their playlists, and play mainstream rap 24/7. on top of all that, they increase their monthly fee. so at that point i'm thinking, "fuck it. they both cost the same. sirius can't be that much worse than xm (concerning rap/hip-hop). i might as well give it a shot."

after 4 years of xm, i can honestly say that sirius owns xm in the hip-hop/rap genre. i don't know about rock, it could be the opposite.

before i switched, i went on a few satellite radio forums such as XMFAN and SIRIUSBACKSTAGE. i found the opinions concerning rap stations to be the same. you'll find that xm fans admit that xm's rap selection is lacking. and i found sirius fans who switched from xm just for that reason. although i listen to a bit of everything, i listen to rap 90% of the time, so the selection in that genre weighed heavily on my decision.

my point is to search those forums (not that ls1tech isn't the shit ;)) where all they talk about is satellite radio. you'll find there are many people with both xm and sirius because they each have their strengths.

Howard Stern is washed up. I used to listen to his show whenever I could but I could barely bring myself to listen any more. Opie and Anthony are sooo much better and they're on XM. If it wasn't for that I probably wouldn't have a preference for either one.

It's interesting that equal numbers have one service or the other and are happy with it but that, of those who are switching, almost four times as many are switching from XM to Sirius as are switching the other way.

27 on Sirius is about the hardest rock you will get. If you like weak rock like Velvet Revolver then you may want to listen to 20 Octane.

I decided to spend my money on an MP3 player, so I can listen to whatever I want.

DIE THREAD DIE!!!!

stern, nuff said.


:barf:


I wish Rush would go to satellite :D

I choose Sirius over one factor at first (Howard Stern), you either love or hate him and I've been a listener as of day 1 since he's been on in Los Angeles. Did however take a 5-day free trial prior to buying my Plug'N'Play unit just to see what all the hipe was about. I'm a regular listener to 20 Octane, 28 Faction and should have bought one sooner.

Have sirrius and it is absolutely awesome. Great rock and roll channels and the Blues channel is worth the subscription rate all by itself. The antenna mount is a non-descript metallic disc about two inches across that sits at the top edge / center of my trunk (have a convertible SS)......

http://heartless.us/HeartleSS_serrious01.JPG
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as far as both of them goes it just depends on the person itself.. If your looking for rock then yes go sirius much better selection there, they both kinda overall have the same playback.. i would say check how many channels does each company have of your fav. music, i know that xm has a 30 day tryout on their website so that you can listen b4 buying ... i'm not sure about sirius though. Hey you guys forget opie&anthony are pretty bad ass too on xm!

to any rap listeners that were going to take my advice on sirius: THEY NIXED THE BEST RAP STATION! wax 42 is no more *moment of silence.* now, as far as rap goes, sirius and xm are only slightly better than fm.

i was happy with my wireless xm until it got stolen.

to any rap listeners that were going to take my advice on sirius: THEY NIXED THE BEST RAP STATION! wax 42 is no more *moment of silence.* now, as far as rap goes, sirius and xm are only slightly better than fm.
"Best rap station"... Isn't that something like being the tallest pigmy? :jest:

*ouch*

to each his own, i guess. :cheers:

i actually like 45 on sirius, the kayslay show and shit is pretty cool..

J

Man.. i would have to say Sirrius...
Have had them for 3 years now...

is there any other sirius owners who are hooked on maxim radio? covino and rich are pretty good, but the bower show is my favorite.

I'll just say that I work at Best Buy in the Car Audio department and Sirius satellite radios were our most popular item by far this year for Christmas (and even before that).

If I had to make a choice, based on the quality of the product and the listing of music types, I'd definitely go for Sirius. Their genres seem to be a bit more well-defined and have better hits.

Oh, and I really couldn't give a damn about Howard Stern.

Sirius's playstyle is akin to FM's Hits play.

XM's is akin to a wide rangeing CD collection, a broader collection of music. I prefer to hear stuff that isn't just the hits.

If ya like mostly hits, thats you its not me. i like it all. Both however are far better than FM.... Die FM die! ;)

hay guys my wife is getting me a sirius radio . the thing is where whould i put the ant. at i have a camaro t-tops and i think im going to love this serius radio it even has mp3 player on it and you can rec serius radio . man is it cool

Portable Sirius units dont even play live radio. LOL!

I have Sirius and love the sports channels.

hay guys my wife is getting me a sirius radio . the thing is where whould i put the ant. at i have a camaro t-tops and i think im going to love this serius radio it even has mp3 player on it and you can rec serius radio . man is it cool

My antenae is on the roof in the center by the hatch glass, not near the t-tops. Some people have mounted it in the bar between the two t-tops as well. You will want it as high up as possible, it loses signal enough around trees, buildings and taller vehicle as it is.

Just throwing this out there, anyone out there going into sat radio thinking the sound is going to be good just because it is digital is in for a shock. The sound quality is HORRIBLE and the better your system the more it will tick you off. The sound quality is about the same as what their free web trial sounds like, which is, well, horrible. At low volumes it is tolerable but I prefer CD's or the I-Pod. I will not be renewing sirius unless they improve the sound quality. If they have to cut back on stations, so be it.

My antenna is mounted inside the rear wing. It's mounted close to car's antenna so FM modualtion is good too.

My antenna is mounted inside the rear wing. It's mounted close to car's antenna so FM modualtion is good too.
:huh: That's interesting...especially since the satellite antenna has nothing to do with the FM modulation (the wireless modulator is internal to the satellite radio - it doesn't use an external antenna). Putting the radio itself closer to the antenna might improve reception but it would be awkward to have to go into the hatch to change channels. :jest:

My antenae is on the roof in the center by the hatch glass, not near the t-tops. Some people have mounted it in the bar between the two t-tops as well. You will want it as high up as possible, it loses signal enough around trees, buildings and taller vehicle as it is.

Just throwing this out there, anyone out there going into sat radio thinking the sound is going to be good just because it is digital is in for a shock. The sound quality is HORRIBLE and the better your system the more it will tick you off. The sound quality is about the same as what their free web trial sounds like, which is, well, horrible. At low volumes it is tolerable but I prefer CD's or the I-Pod. I will not be renewing sirius unless they improve the sound quality. If they have to cut back on stations, so be it.
My Sirius sound quality was pretty decent with the FM modulator, but now I have it hard-wired to my auxilary port and it is CD quality. I would say that my Starmate's quality was not quite as good my S50 though.

My Sirius sound quality was pretty decent with the FM modulator, but now I have it hard-wired to my auxilary port and it is CD quality. I would say that my Starmate's quality was not quite as good my S50 though.
I experienced the same thing... I just replaced my StarMate with an XACT unit and the sound quality is much better.

Yea that will be a constant change. each device will have its own sound quality output. so some of the people who complain about lacking sound quality on one service or another are likely victims of low quality parts in their device or connection style.

I've got a whine in mine but its from the vehicle itself. i need to isolate the grounds for the inline amp (the Delphi SkyFi's biggest failing is a low sound output level from its connection) Skyfi, Radio HU, to a common point. instead of 3 different locations.

My antenae is on the roof in the center by the hatch glass, not near the t-tops. Some people have mounted it in the bar between the two t-tops as well. You will want it as high up as possible, it loses signal enough around trees, buildings and taller vehicle as it is.

Just throwing this out there, anyone out there going into sat radio thinking the sound is going to be good just because it is digital is in for a shock. The sound quality is HORRIBLE and the better your system the more it will tick you off. The sound quality is about the same as what their free web trial sounds like, which is, well, horrible. At low volumes it is tolerable but I prefer CD's or the I-Pod. I will not be renewing sirius unless they improve the sound quality. If they have to cut back on stations, so be it.

Try a different Sirius unit, different connection method. FM Modualtion and Cassette connections are inherently low quality. Direct Line connections will give you the best sound (as long as you avoid multiple location grounds..
)

:huh: That's interesting...especially since the satellite antenna has nothing to do with the FM modulation (the wireless modulator is internal to the satellite radio - it doesn't use an external antenna). Putting the radio itself closer to the antenna might improve reception but it would be awkward to have to go into the hatch to change channels. :jest:


That depends really. the SkyFi2 has a FM loop antenna in the Sat antenna wire. the two signals are so vastly different that they don't interfere with each other even traversing the same connection to the radio.

had both hated xm sirius is so much better the music the comedy every thing is better. plus the customer service is better than xm easier to deal with.

stern, nuff said.
i agree stern is enough reason alone to have sirius.throw in the nfl package and its a dream come true.also if anyone is interested they have the playboy channel but id rather see not hear

For rock I think XM is better. I used to work at Circuit City and listened to both a BUNCH before going with XM. XM has more rock channels, and it seems a deeper library of music as well. My favorite channel is Fungus, which is mostly punk. Sirius' channel for punk also plays hip-hop, and I can't stand any of that trash, so that was a huge mark against Sirius for me.

Xm Radio!

i agree stern is enough reason alone to have sirius.throw in the nfl package and its a dream come true.also if anyone is interested they have the playboy channel but id rather see not hear
Exactly :barf:
That's why I'm glad I got XM.

Exactly :barf:
That's why I'm glad I got XM.
thats why xm sales are dropping and sirius are booming then

thats why xm sales are dropping and sirius are booming then
Please don't fall into the fudged numbers that unethical marketing techniques bring.
First, XM still has more subscriptions. Second, the little doggy company has been giving away subscriptions with Mitsu and other Mopar brand cars. Because of this, there are about 100,000 cars in dealer lots that are counted as units.
Numbers don't lie, its the people that fuck with the numbers that lie. :judge:

Please don't fall into the fudged numbers that unethical marketing techniques bring.
First, XM still has more subscriptions. Second, the little doggy company has been giving away subscriptions with Mitsu and other Mopar brand cars. Because of this, there are about 100,000 cars in dealer lots that are counted as units.
Numbers don't lie, its the people that fuck with the numbers that lie. :judge:
While it is true that Sirius is giving away a lot of subscriptions with new cars and therefore not gaining much income from them, it is not true that this inflates their numbers. Subscriptions are only counted when activated - unsold cars on a dealer's lot are not included in subscription counts.

Please don't fall into the fudged numbers that unethical marketing techniques bring.
First, XM still has more subscriptions. Second, the little doggy company has been giving away subscriptions with Mitsu and other Mopar brand cars. Because of this, there are about 100,000 cars in dealer lots that are counted as units.
Numbers don't lie, its the people that fuck with the numbers that lie. :judge:
if im not mistaken xm did the same thing,why do you think people who had xm that came with there car are bringing it back to the dealer to have it modified to sirius.plus it only counts activated units,thus the word subscibers when they give out there numbers of people they have

Sirius by a landslide........

had Xm and is no were near sirius, with the selection and quality of channels.

I'll just say that I work at Best Buy in the Car Audio department and Sirius satellite radios were our most popular item by far this year for Christmas (and even before that).

If I had to make a choice, based on the quality of the product and the listing of music types, I'd definitely go for Sirius. Their genres seem to be a bit more well-defined and have better hits.

Oh, and I really couldn't give a damn about Howard Stern.


Last year when I worked the sales floor at Best Buy you literally could not buy or even order a sirius radio at times. My self I am addicted to Maxium radio and a couple of the comedy channels. I could care less if they carry stern or not.


sat radio's compression still bothers me when I listen to music. they are close to 128k mp3's but not quite. Any talk of xm or sirius upping the bit rate in the near future, or is that not possible with the current radios?

also, has anybody attempted to hardwire their radio to the stock monsoon headunit. In theory you could connect it to the cd changer audio ports but i'm not sure if that'll work or not.