Automotive News, Media & Press - Just saw dyno run for 05 Mustang GT

I saw it on Horsepower TV today. What a joke. It made 255 RWHP. Then they put a K&N FIPK on it-14 more hp. Then they slapped on slow master's $450 mufflers which only made another 6 HP. To top it all off they added a ZEX 75 shot netting only 334 RWHP.

Nice to know even with nitrous that stang nearly reaches my bolt-ons power level. I can't wait to run into one! That should make a close race! :burn:

What was the TQ?

w/ nos?

i dont think they said..but still 1300 dollars and only picked up 83hp all together w\ nitrous....weak..

Saw that too, and its about what I expected... At least its better hp than the previous GT's... And it's always fun to run into one who know nothing of the LS1... They tend to learn quick :) lol

I saw it on Horsepower TV today. What a joke. It made 255 RWHP. Then they put a K&N FIPK on it-14 more hp. Then they slapped on slow master's $450 mufflers which only made another 6 HP. To top it all off they added a ZEX 75 shot netting only 334 RWHP.

Nice to know even with nitrous that stang nearly reaches my bolt-ons power level. I can't wait to run into one! That should make a close race! :burn:
thats good for about 293hp considering 15% drivetrain loss. ford needs to stop overrating their products :judge: why do those cars still run high 13s with such low hp and high curb weight?

I watched the same espisode, 255hp.... :jest:

thats good for about 293hp considering 15% drivetrain loss. ford needs to stop overrating their products :judge: why do those cars still run high 13s with such low hp and high curb weight?

300 hp with a 15% loss is 255 hp. Seems right on the money to me. Most manuals are in the 26X range with a few touching 270. Yes, I know, not LS1 range but getting there....slowly....getting there. Point being they are putting out what Ford claims.

300 hp with a 15% loss is 255 hp. Seems right on the money to me. Most manuals are in the 26X range with a few touching 270. Yes, I know, not LS1 range but getting there....slowly....getting there. Point being they are putting out what Ford claims.
i did 15% of 255 :bang: sorry i turned my brain off since i've been out of school.

That sucks, what do the older GT's put down w/spray? It is kinda funny how fords newest GT still gets itself handed over by a car that has been dead for almost 4 years lol, i'll shut up when i see a GT500 tho, until i have that stall :judge:

I would say with Long tubes and a tune they will get close to 300@ the wheels. Pretty good for a 4.6 and it shows that they are finally getting there cylinder heads to flow some air. but it still only matches what the gen.III's put down stock. Now comes the more difficult part. Headwork and cam(s)install. With the variable cam timing and obviously more efficient heads and the limited displacement I dont think those #'s are going to soar much higher and even if they did get to say 320-340 its going to cost big money.

This is the very reason I dont understand why people in the hot rod community are giving this car so much credit. It definately has a nice chassis but from a horsepower standpoint, I just dont get it. I think the 2v came out around 91 for the Crown Vic. and 14 years and an extra valve later they are still struggling for 300RWHP. The 4v's were definately alot better but you still have a tremendously overcomplicated, pricey, heavy, difficult to package, cubic inch limited engine that struggles to match GM's fuel economy. If this were the base model Mustang engine, it would be one thing but aside from the limited production cobra's this is the powerplant (in varying forms) that motivates the majority of the Mustangs over almost a decade. (along with all the V-6's). Poor engineering on Ford's part. Dodge and GM both are still using "outdated" architecture but are pulling down better MPG's, tq and hp, while using a more compact engine and one that costs less to modify.


Oh wait, there is the Gotta have it factor. Sorry, I take it all back.

Oh wait, there is the Gotta have it factor. Sorry, I take it all back.
LOL! thats hilarious! :jest: that article was just embarassing

wow, we must have a factory freak. ours put down 275rwhp STOCK

wow, we must have a factory freak. ours put down 275rwhp STOCK

Ya know, I thought the #'s they pulled stock on that thing on HPTV was kinda low. I recall reading in MM&FF when they did a bolt on test on an 05 they got more from theirs stock than HPTV but they didn't get as much in return from the bolt on's as HPTV did.

Do you guys think HPTV is trying to promote those after market parts by fudging up the stock numbers to make the new parts look better? I'm sure they're sponsored by after market companies, and 255 seems very low based on the track times I'm hearing about these cars.

255 is right for an auto 363-370 is what i have seen from manuals ... akk in all the HP rating is about right from factory .. i have dyned about 12 of these things.

You guys are kidding right? We're talking HPTV here...it's a joke. It doesn't mirror real world mods or numbers. You remember the :bs: "build" they did on that LS1? :rolleyes:

255 is right for an auto 363-370 is what i have seen from manuals ... akk in all the HP rating is about right from factory .. i have dyned about 12 of these things.

It appeared to me that the one they had in the shop was a 5sp.

You guys are kidding right? We're talking HPTV here...it's a joke. It doesn't mirror real world mods or numbers. You remember the :bs: "build" they did on that LS1? :rolleyes:

Absolutely correct. Which is why I thought the #'s they pulled were a little low but not out of the question. Either way, you are right.

You guys are kidding right? We're talking HPTV here...it's a joke. It doesn't mirror real world mods or numbers. You remember the :bs: "build" they did on that LS1? :rolleyes:
I missed that one. What was so BS about it?

thats good for about 293hp considering 15% drivetrain loss. ford needs to stop overrating their products :judge: why do those cars still run high 13s with such low hp and high curb weight?

I havent seen one run better than 14.3 at the local track here near Fort Hood. I only get out there evey couple of weekends though, seems kinna sad really...

I havent seen one run better than 14.3 at the local track here near Fort Hood. I only get out there evey couple of weekends though, seems kinna sad really...
that is sad. terrible driving. you can't blame the car for everything ;)

bone stock ones around here have gone mid 13's. a lot of others with crappy drivers go high 13's/low 14's

that is sad. terrible driving. you can't blame the car for everything ;)

bone stock ones around here have gone mid 13's. a lot of others with crappy drivers go high 13's/low 14's

A friend drove one with a manual tranny to a 13.8 @ 102mph granny shifting. He's a self proclaimed "decent" driver...not bad, but not Evan Smith.

isnt mid 13s still pretty good considering a good driver with a LS1 can only best that by a few tenths?

You guys are kidding right? We're talking HPTV here...it's a joke. It doesn't mirror real world mods or numbers. You remember the :bs: "build" they did on that LS1? :rolleyes:


Look at the LT1 they built years ago, that car was proof that all they do is part push

Did you see the one where they changed cams on a GT and 'ol Joe just about nut himself when they picked up 14 rwhp from tearing the entire engine apart. "Oh shit! 14 rwhp! Our pony will be running wild now!" or something retarded like that

I was rolling on the floor laughing... I thought I was going to die! :rotflmao: :jest: :funny:

I hope it isn't true... but I have seen some mustangs (except the cobras) put down awfully unimpressive numbers... :judge:

EDIT:
http://www.dynoperformance.com/search_details.php?ID=850&safeid=850

Not too bad... an LT1 can still beat it though...

It puts down a little bit better HP numbers to the wheels than a stock LT1 car, but makes less torque than a stock LT1.

I was looking at the newest fast fords and mustangs mag(I think that's the name) at work(bored) anyways they did a dyno pull and had high 270 something to the wheels with headers and whole new exhaust. The also had a couple pages of dyno numbers of all the different aftermarket exhausts for the 05 and i think the flowmaster was the best with a gain of 8hp and 7ft-lbs. From what that article said the stock exhaust is pretty good. Thats got to suck only getting 8hp for a $400-$500 exhaust system. From everthing i've seen there is't much left in these mustangs with your just your easy bolt on's, exhaust, intake. I'd like to see some dyno's with a cam and see what that does. It seems every modded out 05 mustang i've seen in mags has had a supercharger makeing 400hp and still only in the low 13's.

I'd like to see some dyno's with a cam and see what that does.

I'm thinking that one cam wouldn't help all that much.


It seems every modded out 05 mustang i've seen in mags has had a supercharger makeing 400hp and still only in the low 13's.

I guess you're looking at the wrong issues.

11.90's N/A and 10.90's on spray

http://musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mm_0504w_10_sec_stang_z.jpg (http://musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mm_0504w_10_sec_stang/#)

There's a 9 second GT out there now and there will be more to follow suit.

We all know magazine racing isn't reality.

I'm thinking that one cam wouldn't help all that much.

lol! :jest:

isnt mid 13s still pretty good considering a good driver with a LS1 can only best that by a few tenths?

Your kidding right? Most people around here with LS1 cars cant drive for crap, and get a horrible launch and still run low to mid 13's. Imagine them with good drivers, sticky tires and a good launch.

wow not to stir the pot but havent we all learned that dyno numbers only go so far. if u cant drive for crao than it doesnt matter what u dynoed. believe me im not a mustang fan, especially the new 05's. i love the new style for the GT's, but ive seen so many 05 v-6s that im soured on the body style. and yes the fastest i have seen an 05 go was 13.9 at the track to my 13.01. well there are so many variables that take effect that it isnt worth arguing over. the fact is yes they are a littl slower than us, but they are a legitimate player. remember guys never underestimate ur foe.

Your kidding right? Most people around here with LS1 cars cant drive for crap, and get a horrible launch and still run low to mid 13's. Imagine them with good drivers, sticky tires and a good launch.

its you who must be kidding. the stock ones here running those times have excellent drivers. the ones with horrible drivers usually have full exhaust and other mods.

it may only now be running with stock ls1s, but theres one thing the fbody will never have that the 05 does. quality interiors parts. and no amount of bolt ons will change that.

I was at the track last night, where there were 4 05 gt's runnin, and none of them could get out of the 14's, then one of the guys was such a horrible driver he was pullin high 15's and if i remember right he even got a run in the 16's

interesting. Of the couple 05 GT's ive seen run here, the best so far i saw was a 13.9 @ 103 mph. And the guy has the cold air kit, pulley and some type of exhaust because i saw him putting it on at the hobby shop on base a few days before he was at the track.

its you who must be kidding. the stock ones here running those times have excellent drivers. the ones with horrible drivers usually have full exhaust and other mods.

it may only now be running with stock ls1s, but theres one thing the fbody will never have that the 05 does. quality interiors parts. and no amount of bolt ons will change that.

I love the interior in my SS. I have ridden in a new Mustang, I like it dont get me wrong. My SS feels like a jet inside. The Mustang does feel kinna old school muscle car, but I bought a sports car and it fits the bill, new age muscle and sports. As far as some of you guys having rough riding f bodies, sorry for you. My car had 36k on the clock when I bought it, I immediatly put on sub frame connectors and a strut tower brace, plus its a hard top. Mine is rock solid. Mustang is a heritage that is stong. I know alot of Mustang guys that rode in an f body for the first time and sold their Mustangsto get an f body. I dont know any f body guys that rode in a Mustang and decided to buy one. (save for one that bought 03 Cobra, but without the pulley mod most of the f bodies in the area still tear him up) Its all preference, I am glad there is a multitude of cars on the road. I a really excited Crysler is gearing up, what with the Charger and soon the Challengar. But all this is :offtopic:

I love the interior in my SS. I have ridden in a new Mustang, I like it dont get me wrong. My SS feels like a jet inside. The Mustang does feel kinna old school muscle car, but I bought a sports car and it fits the bill, new age muscle and sports. As far as some of you guys having rough riding f bodies, sorry for you. My car had 36k on the clock when I bought it, I immediatly put on sub frame connectors and a strut tower brace, plus its a hard top. Mine is rock solid. Mustang is a heritage that is stong. I know alot of Mustang guys that rode in an f body for the first time and sold their Mustangsto get an f body. I dont know any f body guys that rode in a Mustang and decided to buy one. (save for one that bought 03 Cobra, but without the pulley mod most of the f bodies in the area still tear him up) Its all preference, I am glad there is a multitude of cars on the road. I a really excited Crysler is gearing up, what with the Charger and soon the Challengar. But all this is :offtopic:
you missed one point... pre-05 mustang interiors were notorious for rattles. the whole fbody interior rattle is true, but blown out of proportion. when i was in high school and my car was newer (say mid 30k miles), two of my friends had mustangs (2002 with 15k and 2004 with <1k when i drove them) BOTH of them said my car was noticeably faster and drove much more like a sports car rather then a normal coupe. but their biggest issue was that both cars had many rattles in the interior, even the brand new 04 had rattles off the showroom that the dealer was unable to locate. my car had no such and niether did my friends 96 z28 before it got totalled with 99k. both cars were t-top cars and had no mods at the time other then my stereo system.

Some girl ran one here and it ran 15s all day hehehehe
People just dont understand that Mustangs suck ass with their small engines and shitty transmissions. I wanted to race her with my bolt on 94 camaro that is 10 years older than hers, and over one second faster. I thought the look of the new mustangs was sorta cool when i first saw it on tv and online, but when you see one in real life they just look like a big plastic piece of shit

Some girl ran one here and it ran 15s all day hehehehe
People just dont understand that Mustangs suck ass with their small engines and shitty transmissions. I wanted to race her with my bolt on 94 camaro that is 10 years older than hers, and over one second faster. I thought the look of the new mustangs was sorta cool when i first saw it on tv and online, but when you see one in real life they just look like a big plastic piece of shit

:funny:

"Hello Kettle. I'm Pot. You're black." ;)


People just dont understand that Mustangs suck ass with their small engines and shitty transmissions.

Since when is a T-56 a shitty transmission? My small engine is several seconds faster than your big cube "monster". Step out of the 90's and buy a new car.

Let me guess, you weren't referring to '03 Cobras right? Your hate for Mustangs doesn't include them because they will destroy your turd.

100% bone stock with 75miles on the odometer. Not too bad IMO. What are you running? Let's here about the DA and "corrected" times now. :cry:

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/prod_imgs/gal-142-p-1373-large.jpg

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/prod_imgs/gal-142-p-1404-large.jpg

I have driven both 02 z28 and 05 gt stock for stock and the 02 camaro is clearly a better and faster car. The mustang may have nice interior but its still a chick car :)

Ah, the classic Mustang VS. Camaro. I'm glad to hear the new GTs are a closer match, regardless of of HPTV's BS dyno numbers. I like both cars. I only got my Z back in '99 because the GT stang was no match for it back then, and 23 grand was all I was willing to spend.

As long as we keep the american muscle going. I'll be a happy man. I'll hang it up the day my only choice is an overpriced, underpowered import.
:drive:

:funny:

"Hello Kettle. I'm Pot. You're black." ;)



Since when is a T-56 a shitty transmission? My small engine is several seconds faster than your big cube "monster". Step out of the 90's and buy a new car.

Let me guess, you weren't referring to '03 Cobras right? Your hate for Mustangs doesn't include them because they will destroy your turd.

100% bone stock with 75miles on the odometer. Not too bad IMO. What are you running? Let's here about the DA and "corrected" times now. :cry:

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/prod_imgs/gal-142-p-1373-large.jpg

http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/prod_imgs/gal-142-p-1404-large.jpg

I was curious why you were talking about a t56 but show a pic of an 05? As far as what the other guy said about crummy trannys, the auto in the new stang is great. That is why they are so quick with the power they have. Its the whole package, not just horsepower. Also, the stock Cobras run (from what I have seen) low to high 13's. 13 is average for LS1 cars stock, and most LT1s are low 14's to low 13's with bolt ons. So again, it is still anyones race.

Also, the stock Cobras run (from what I have seen) low to high 13's.

What planet are you on? :confused: mid 12's to low 13's is normal here.


13 is average for LS1 cars stock, and most LT1s are low 14's to low 13's with bolt ons.

I'm well aware of stock LS1 times.

Here's an old slip of my stock '00 A4 LS1:
http://tinypic.com/ak92s5.jpg

The mustang may have nice interior but its still a chick car :)

You're right. I see these at the nail salon all the time as I drive by.

http://tinypic.com/ak9469.jpg

unit213
it is to my knowledge that the 03 cobras have a supercharger on them, so that is why they are faster. The GTs that are just all engine suck ass. Personally I have never driven a mustang nore have i wanted too. I had just heard from a lot of people that the trannys sucked, my bad if they dont. However, as far as ETs go, mustangs are like 6 or 7 years behind the camaro. No thanks, ill go ahead and stay in the 90s and maybe in a few years your beloved mustangs can catch up to a camaro

You're right. I see these at the nail salon all the time as I drive by.

http://tinypic.com/ak9469.jpg
unit- what the hell? i joined this site last fall and have seen you go through 3 different cars already! or is that 05 not yours?

your interior is so much better than mine, i am so excited for you and i hope it makes you feel better when i whoop your ass in a race :)
your new and improved mustang is better than the old mustang, slowing than ls1's, the rest you can decide on your own
how did cobras even get brought into this conversation??? :offtopic:

Procharger did a recent dyno of a bone stock 05 Mustang GT 5 speed with their 9-10 psi P1SC kit it made 460 rwhp. Vortech also has had similar results. Mocking a car just because you dont own one is just narrow minded talk. Yea maybe the 05 GT isnt a LS1 but its not a piece of crap either. Ive driven a few and have even considered buying one after I sell my current LS1.

Dan everyone knows you drive a 14 second KB powered Cobra. :jest:

Procharger did a recent dyno of a bone stock 05 Mustang GT 5 speed with their 9-10 psi P1SC kit it made 460 rwhp. Vortech also has had similar results. Mocking a car just because you dont own one is just narrow minded talk. Yea maybe the 05 GT isnt a LS1 but its not a piece of crap either. Ive driven a few and have even considered buying one after I sell my current LS1.

Dan everyone knows you drive a 14 second KB powered Cobra. :jest:
did they comment on the durability of those motors?

Dan everyone knows you drive a 14 second KB powered Cobra. :jest:
I wish I had a 04 cobra! I know I changed my tune a little since I started this thread but, that HPTV dyno run was the first thing I heard about performance on the new GT.

No kidding about the durability
Maddboost can go ahead and throw a supercharger on a 05 GT and set it to 10 psi for your daily driver. Then wonder why you are having so many problems with it. You can force induction into anything to make a lot of horsepower, that is not the point. Not to mention you are missing the point of the forum. It was started off talking about the stock mustang dyno numbers then you and cobra guy come along and start what power they can make with superchargers on them. We all know you can make ANYTHING fast if you mod it up. What im trying to say is the STOCK 05 mustang is just not the car its made out to be. I am just sick of hearing about it.

Yea maybe the 05 GT isnt a LS1 but its not a piece of crap either. Ive driven a few and have even considered buying one after I sell my current LS1.

That's all I'm trying to say. :nod: I just like to be a bit more arguementative about it. :D


Dan everyone knows you drive a 14 second KB powered Cobra. :jest:

Damn you Phil! :emb: I told you not to tell anyone. :nono:

Are the '05 fbodies nice? Ouch...

No kidding about the durability
Maddboost can go ahead and throw a supercharger on a 05 GT and set it to 10 psi for your daily driver. Then wonder why you are having so many problems with it. You can force induction into anything to make a lot of horsepower, that is not the point. Not to mention you are missing the point of the forum. It was started off talking about the stock mustang dyno numbers then you and cobra guy come along and start what power they can make with superchargers on them. We all know you can make ANYTHING fast if you mod it up. What im trying to say is the STOCK 05 mustang is just not the car its made out to be. I am just sick of hearing about it.

Procharger runs 10 psi on most of its 4.6 kits because the mod motors have a lower compression from the factory than compared to the LS1s or LT1s. We have installed and tuned alot of them and have customers with 10s of thousands of miles on them. Same as the LT1 and LS1 cars we do.

I believe you just dont want to hear the truth your mocking a car for being "slow" but any competent driver can have a 05 GT running mid to high 13s STOCK. Thats pretty quick. Faster than LT1s and close to the performance of LS1 cars. Dyno numbers dont mean squat, a dyno is a tuning tool nothing else. And mocking a car you have never even driven is silly as well how can you judge a car by what you read in a magazine and see on tv? You dont have to like the 05 GT but to belittle the car for no other reason than jealousy is childish.

Procharger runs 10 psi on most of its 4.6 kits because the mod motors have a lower compression from the factory than compared to the LS1s or LT1s. We have installed and tuned alot of them and have customers with 10s of thousands of miles on them. Same as the LT1 and LS1 cars we do.

I believe you just dont want to hear the truth your mocking a car for being "slow" but any competent driver can have a 05 GT running mid to high 13s STOCK. Thats pretty quick. Faster than LT1s and close to the performance of LS1 cars. Dyno numbers dont mean squat, a dyno is a tuning tool nothing else. And mocking a car you have never even driven is silly as well how can you judge a car by what you read in a magazine and see on tv? You dont have to like the 05 GT but to belittle the car for no other reason than jealousy is childish.
you mean to tell me, with a proper tune, my engine is capable of safely running boost levels of at least 6 psi?

Yeah i have never driven one, but i have seen some at the track. I saw a girl with an auto 05 mustang GT run 15s all day while this other guy in a manual couldn't hit better than high 14's. SHOULD I BE JEALOUS OF THOSE TIMES IN A BRAND NEW $30000 CAR? Meanwhile my friend who just bought himself a 93 Z28 with 80k miles on it is running 14.35 STOCK down to the air filter. That is up here in Idaho in 100 degree weather, which is why the times are a little worse than usual. But I didn't just see the mustang on TV and say "I dont own one. Thats a piece of shit" like you say i am doing. I didnt just see their shitty dyno numbers and assume they are slow. I have seen mustangs run and base my opinion off that.

Yeah i have never driven one, but i have seen some at the track.

I saw a girl with an auto 05 mustang GT run 15s all day...


I have seen mustangs run and base my opinion off that.

Get my drift?

Take the word of people in the know.

I would not brag about buying a '93 Camaro with 80K on the clock. <insert mullet joke here>

1. Get my drift?

2. Take the word of people in the know.


3. I would not brag about buying a '93 Camaro with 80K on the clock. <insert mullet joke here>

1. NO, Actually i dont
2. ???
3. Well I am and it still ran faster than the 05 stangs, and only for $23,000 less

I dont know why you have such a boner for the 05 mustangs. Its a fuckin fact that the 05 mustangs are still slower than the LS1 Camaros and even some LT1 Camaros. Thats why this thread was started. Too poke fun of those shitbangers that everyone like yourself seems to love so much. I dont know if they like them because of the retro look or what. I will say the interior is nice. But as far as performance goes, Ford fell short once again.

1. NO, Actually i dont
2. ???
3. Well I am and it still ran faster than the 05 stangs, and only for $23,000 less

I dont know why you have such a boner for the 05 mustangs. Its a fuckin fact that the 05 mustangs are still slower than the LS1 Camaros and even some LT1 Camaros. Thats why this thread was started. Too poke fun of those shitbangers that everyone like yourself seems to love so much. I dont know if they like them because of the retro look or what. I will say the interior is nice. But as far as performance goes, Ford fell short once again.
as much as i hate stangs, i must admit that speed isnt everything. i'll sacrifice a full second in the quarter mile for build quality and comfort. that one second can be regained with mods but build quality and comfort cannot. that is why the new mustang has grabbed my attention so dearly. so unless chevy really dissapoints with the new camaro concept next year, i might be forced to switch over :(

as much as i hate stangs, i must admit that speed isnt everything. i'll sacrifice a full second in the quarter mile for build quality and comfort. that one second can be regained with mods but build quality and comfort cannot. that is why the new mustang has grabbed my attention so dearly. so unless chevy really dissapoints with the new camaro concept next year, i might be forced to switch over :(

Hey, thats cool man
Im not saying that the camaro is the ultimate car and everyone should have one. Everybody has their own preferences, thats why there are thousands of different cars out there. Even though i personally dont like the way the mustang looks, most people i talk to do. I also think the interior is pretty cool. But as far as performance, the mustang isnt half the car that it is cracked up to be and a 90s camaro can still beat it. I know you can make it fast with some mods, but you can do that to any car and that is not what this thread was originally about.

you mean to tell me, with a proper tune, my engine is capable of safely running boost levels of at least 6 psi?

Unless your car has a ton of miles on it putting a good quality blower kit like a Procharger or a Vortech would not cause any problems. Most stock ls1 short blocks we dont recommend more than 8 psi.

good lord, the stupidity is rampant in this thread, save a few.

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These times have to be a joke right? You mean my ten year old LT1 with some bolt ons could run with if not beat a brand new 05 GT? And everyone around here thinks those cars are the greatest things on the road. I expected Ford to at least be able to run with the LS1's now.

I expected Ford to at least be able to run with the LS1's now.

Ford can and does run with LS1's...destroys them too. There is no direct competition for the Mustang GT, so Ford doesn't need to make it a 400hp car. Make sense? Sales dictate what Ford does. Supply can't meet demand already.

94greencamaro - $$$ is obviously tight for you...maybe you should find a new hobby.

Yeah, it's not like Ford's only sports car is the Mustang GT. In recent years Ford offers/has offered a nice variety for their customers to choose from depending on exactly how fast they want to go.

V6 Mustang - for girls or people who don't really care about going fast.
05 Mustang GT - close to an LS1
03-04 Mach 1 - Even with an LS1
03-04 Cobra - LS1 killer
Ford GT - exotic killer

Not to mention the tuner stangs from Saleen & Roush etc...

i dont understand we i see a apples to oranges comparson here. there CURRENTLY isn't a direct competitor for the 05 mustang. comparing the 05 stang to a 02 f-body is like comparing a 71 firebird to a 74 stang. and we know that the mid to late 70s were when the best stangs were made.(hell even die hard mustang lovers wont talk about the mustang II's)

Yeah, actually money is tight for me. Im fuckin 17 years old. The reason why i dont have a ton of cash to spend is because im saving up for a 383 rebuild or maybe even a turbo setup this winter after the track closes. My car with a few bolt-ons could still beat a brand new $30000 car though. If you ask me thats a joke.

Yeah, it's not like Ford's only sports car is the Mustang GT. In recent years Ford offers/has offered a nice variety for their customers to choose from depending on exactly how fast they want to go.

V6 Mustang - for girls or people who don't really care about going fast.
05 Mustang GT - close to an LS1
03-04 Mach 1 - Even with an LS1
03-04 Cobra - LS1 killer
Ford GT - exotic killer


V6 Mustang- V6 blows unless were talking about supras
05 Mustang GT- Has a tenth or two on a LT1, but about half a second away from the LS1
03-04 Mach 1- About Even with an LT1, slower than the 05 Mustang GT
03-04 Cobra- A good setup car. Fast car that can beat an LS1, but a bit spendy.
Ford GT- A $140,000 car that is runs mid to high 11s stock. The 06 Corvette Z06 should do those times for less than half that price.

V6 Mustang- V6 blows unless were talking about supras

Supras actually have inline 6 motors.

V6 Mustang- V6 blows unless were talking about supras
05 Mustang GT- Has a tenth or two on a LT1, but about half a second away from the LS1
03-04 Mach 1- About Even with an LT1, slower than the 05 Mustang GT
03-04 Cobra- A good setup car. Fast car that can beat an LS1, but a bit spendy.
Ford GT- A $140,000 car that is runs mid to high 11s stock. The 06 Corvette Z06 should do those times for less than half that price.

The V6 is just an option for buyers. Not everyone wants or needs a V8. Is Ford bad for giving people options? Your info on the 03-04 Mach's is way off. They are neck and neck with LS1's. try doing some research. The Ford GT is a bit costly but it's in the exotic category and is faster and cheaper than most of them. The Z06 is and has always been a tough comparison for any high dollar sports cars. Bottom line is Ford offers some nice options for many people.

My bad on the supras, i wasnt even thinking
Pretty stupid thing to say knowing my friend used to have a supra and showed it to me often. I guess i was just thinking what good 6 cylinders are out there. As far as Mach 1 goes i read in either car and driver or motor trend that it runs high 13s, like 13.9, but i guess that was probably just a bad test. I have only seen one Mach 1 run and it was slightly modded running in the mid 13s, which is about high 12s at a lower elevation

My bad on the supras, i wasnt even thinking
Pretty stupid thing to say knowing my friend used to have a supra and showed it to me often. I guess i was just thinking what good 6 cylinders are out there. As far as Mach 1 goes i read in either car and driver or motor trend that it runs high 13s, like 13.9, but i guess that was probably just a bad test. I have only seen one Mach 1 run and it was slightly modded running in the mid 13s, which is about high 12s at a lower elevation

well then i guess the ls1 sucks because C&D or MT got 13.8 - 13.9 out of an SS. and 14's out of an LT1.

your grasping at staws and your arguements have no merit. the 05 gt is a great step in fords direction to finally update the foxbody platform. you dont like it then so be it, but come out with facts rather then i anectdotal evidence and bullshit.

what i find funny is your taking all this shit with a car that runs 14's and traps @ less then 100mph :lol:.

and FWIW not everybody lives or dies by E.T's. if money was permitting i'd drop my fbody for a sonic blue or mineral grey 05 gt in a hearbeat. its great little club racer, comes with a nice chasssis, good suspension, stout little rear end. power deficiences can easily be remedied with a good ol' tried and true S-trim.

I dunno.. I like the look of the new 05 personally. The interior is o.k... not 100% what I'd want, but livable. The power they make isn't killer, but not a nightmare either.... slap a single turbo on there, build the rear and toss in a converter and it would be a mean street car with good rmanners.... if my ws6 were to get stolen, totalled, whatever.. the 05 GT is the only car I'd even consider replacing it with if I had to buy off a showroom, the vette has just never really appealed to me, and dodge doesn'e make one single performance orientated car except the 85K viper... little out of my range sorry to say.

A friend's '05 on 20" GFG's. :pimp: Is it fast? Nope, but it looks sweet IMO.
It's got a cowl hood and aftermarket spoiler too...along with a nitrous kit.
It's getting a fully built motor and a 300shot or so. Of course slicks and skinnies
will be the shoe of choice at the track.

Anyone who hates a car like this just isn't American. :usa:


http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/prod_imgs/gal-142-p-1754-large.jpg

Anyone who hates a car like this just isn't American. :usa:
your 100% correct. its supposed to be us against the imports :engarde:

You guys are kidding right? We're talking HPTV here...it's a joke. It doesn't mirror real world mods or numbers. You remember the :bs: "build" they did on that LS1? :rolleyes:

What else needs to be said?

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Ford can and does run with LS1's...destroys them too. There is no direct competition for the Mustang GT, so Ford doesn't need to make it a 400hp car. Make sense? Sales dictate what Ford does. Supply can't meet demand already.

94greencamaro - $$$ is obviously tight for you...maybe you should find a new hobby.
I wouldnt say it destroys them. It goes off sales thats the final deal here. We are in a pissing contest here. Bottom line is that it has not gotten much faster.

Mod potential is there for all. The car looks great and im glad ford is still making it. It also gives GM a reason to come back with another beast that sells better and somehow appeals to more women like the mustang.

well then i guess the ls1 sucks because C&D or MT got 13.8 - 13.9 out of an SS. and 14's out of an LT1.

your grasping at staws and your arguements have no merit. the 05 gt is a great step in fords direction to finally update the foxbody platform. you dont like it then so be it, but come out with facts rather then i anectdotal evidence and bullshit.

what i find funny is your taking all this shit with a car that runs 14's and traps @ less then 100mph :lol:.

and FWIW not everybody lives or dies by E.T's. if money was permitting i'd drop my fbody for a sonic blue or mineral grey 05 gt in a hearbeat. its great little club racer, comes with a nice chasssis, good suspension, stout little rear end. power deficiences can easily be remedied with a good ol' tried and true S-trim.

I like the Mustang dont get me wrong, but I am a Camaro guy all the way. I just wanted to share some interesting articles I read;

GMHTP bought a brand new (at the time, and bone stock) 2002 Camaro SS convertible (November 2002 Volume 8 number 6). They also got a reader, (not a pro driver) To run it down the track. It was also an auto and ran 13.579/101.91. They also had an article in a previous magazine where a pro driver took a bone stock 99 Z-28 6spd and ran a 12.89 (GMHTP 7/99).

Now, lets take Ford best of the best Mustang. The famed 03 Mustang Cobra, with a 6spd. Hot rod January 2004 flogged it against the Subaru Wrx sti, the Cobra ran 13.30/109 to the WRXs' 13.29/100.5. Some will immediatly point out the higher mph, but winning is winning. Yes these were pro drivers too. I will race anyone, its fun, win or loose. But the only Mustang that is stock, I have an honest desire to seek out to race is a Stage 2 or higher Salleen.

hahaha this thread is great, why don't i throw some gas on the fire and see where it gets us: how bout:
Trans Ams and Firebirds are the same car,
Firebird > Camaro
Camaro > Trans am
SS hoods are functional
AWD > RWD
RWD > FWD
Theres no replacement for displacement
Imports are great becuz there 4 cylinders can beat our 8 cylinders
Fbodys are only good going straight
Imports > domestics
domestics > imports
Mustags < Fbodys
Ford sucks
Chevy sucks
Pontiac sucks
ls1's suck
lt1's suck
4.6l suck
Cobra's are cheaters cuz they need boost to go fast
Ls1 > lt1
ltl > 4.6
mach I > ls1
...
someone brought up "good 6 cylinder powered cars" and the Skyline wasn't mentioned??
Skyline > *
* > u
MY BURN SUITE IS ON FIRE AWAY! :devil:
these are not my opinions just figured i'd throw all that in there to give more ideas for people to fight about in this thread...

i dont know why people are expecting to win a mustang vs. fbody argument on an fbody site

hahaha this thread is great, why don't i throw some gas on the fire and see where it gets us: how bout:
Trans Ams and Firebirds are the same car,
Firebird > Camaro
Camaro > Trans am
SS hoods are functional
AWD > RWD
RWD > FWD
Theres no replacement for displacement
Imports are great becuz there 4 cylinders can beat our 8 cylinders
Fbodys are only good going straight
Imports > domestics
domestics > imports
Mustags < Fbodys
Ford sucks
Chevy sucks
Pontiac sucks
ls1's suck
lt1's suck
4.6l suck
Cobra's are cheaters cuz they need boost to go fast
Ls1 > lt1
ltl > 4.6
mach I > ls1
...
someone brought up "good 6 cylinder powered cars" and the Skyline wasn't mentioned??
Skyline > *
* > u
MY BURN SUITE IS ON FIRE AWAY! :devil:
these are not my opinions just figured i'd throw all that in there to give more ideas for people to fight about in this thread...

Well if youre looking for an argument, I realize you wrote most of that to be a smart a$$. I just wanted to point out, around here (Fort Hood Tx area) Mach I's are barley faster than GT's, and LS1's stomp them. Just thought I would add a little high test to your fire.

ah, i'm in NY so here it might be a different story, but from what i've heard it can come down to being a drivers race, but i've never had the opportunity to race one, or a new GT either, but i'm always looking... :devil:

i dont know why people are expecting to win a mustang vs. fbody argument on an fbody site

You must not visit the street racing forum much. :devil:

Honestly, there's nothing to win. Stock LS1's are slow. Stock Mustangs are slow. Both have huge potential. It's unfortunate that certain people have blinders on and can't see past the bowtie. Visit a SSO race and watch 'stangs run 204mph on 10.5's and tell me how shitty they are. :rolleyes:

Me being a previous mustang owner I feel that I don't have too much of a say so on all of this because I don't have my f-body yet (plane leaves tommorow @ 8am to go pick it up). I left an 01 gt with an s-trim and all the little gadgets that go with it. Stock heads/cams/intake/bottom end @9 lbs boost, tune made 400rwhp daily driver, it was fun. And around my area quicker than most of the cars to toy with.

Now I always wanted an SS and could never afford one, but I found one I couldn't resist. Sure (as it sits now) it has less HP than my other car, I'm not buying the car for all out whats faster. I'm buying the car for the looks and everything I like about it. Granted I don't have to do as much work as my stang to get it to that 400rwhp mark, but in my opinion and bottom line-You can make any car fast with money. Drive what you like and find comfortable. Everyone will have their opinions on what is better/faster but IMO like someone said earlier, it should be american vs import. I like all cars but F-bodys I'll always like that little bit more just for everything about them. But that doesn't mean if I had money laying around I wouldn't mind owning a few other cars that aren't GM. ;)

first of all i don't kno why some ppl are comparing the 05 gt to the ls1's, cause chevy doesn't make ls1's anymore, they make ls2's which make 100 hp more than the mustang gt's :burn: . so if chevy ever comes back out with the f-bodies they most likely have the ls2 engine and most likely will have performance upgrades as well. the fact of the matter is the only other competitor which will destroy the 05 gt is the c6, but it should cause it costs twice as much. o and like 00slpSS said its all about personal preference :drive: .

You must not visit the street racing forum much. :devil:

Honestly, there's nothing to win. Stock LS1's are slow. Stock Mustangs are slow. Both have huge potential. It's unfortunate that certain people have blinders on and can't see past the bowtie. Visit a SSO race and watch 'stangs run 204mph on 10.5's and tell me how shitty they are. :rolleyes:
yes im sure those are stock :rolleyes: thought we already said any car can be made fast with endless amounts of money.long story short the 5.0 were the best n/a engines ford has had in 20 years.

Stock LS1's are slow. Stock Mustangs are slow.

Of course that's very much relative and just your opinion ;) To MOST people neither are "slow."

I have been gone from the argument for a while but i like the way this is going. By the way, nobody mentioned the skyline because it is way overpriced for the times it runs out of the factory. Evos run better times for less than half the price. Where did you get the opinion on that being a great car. Need For Speed Underground?

Some girl ran one here and it ran 15s all day hehehehe
People just dont understand that Mustangs suck ass with their small engines and shitty transmissions. I wanted to race her with my bolt on 94 camaro that is 10 years older than hers, and over one second faster. I thought the look of the new mustangs was sorta cool when i first saw it on tv and online, but when you see one in real life they just look like a big plastic piece of shit

You talk a lot of shit for somebody who's not even out of 14s yet.

wtf ever happened to opinion? some people are diehard ford fans and dont care if their car has less power. some people are diehard chevy fans and would rather drive a tired LS1/LT1 then switch over to the new stang. i cant believe we made a thread about arguing over biased opinions.

you wanna know which car is better? niether. in the end, you will end up at point B with whichever car you choose.

I have been gone from the argument for a while but i like the way this is going. By the way, nobody mentioned the skyline because it is way overpriced for the times it runs out of the factory. Evos run better times for less than half the price. Where did you get the opinion on that being a great car. Need For Speed Underground?

hahaha

and no1 is talking about 204 mph mustangs because as we all know any car can be fast with shit done to it :offtopic:

point is stock for stock chevy wins

Mustang vs F-Body argument = :supergay:

The only way to truly know which car is faster, is to go from a slow roll where both cars can get traction and the driving ability isnt much of a factor.
I know the machs run very close to the ls1 cars, but the fact is that the ls1 consistently dynoes higher, and also traps higher....it is the faster car when taking the driver out of the equation.
A guy that I go to college with has an 03 mach 5 speed that is bone stock , blue with the black hood scoop ( seems to be a real popular paint scheme)
My car wasnt stock, I had a flowmaster cat-back, an mti lid, and a K&N filter.
Still probably slow than an 01-02 Z....so it is a good comparison. Not to mention my car is 8 years old with 80k miles on the clock.
I raced him last year probably 5 times from a 10 mph roll.
Beat him every single damn time by 1 - 1 1/2 car length up to 100.

I dont care what anybody says, the ls1 cars are faster than the machs.

The only way to truly know which car is faster, is to go from a slow roll where both cars can get traction and the driving ability isnt much of a factor.
I know the machs run very close to the ls1 cars, but the fact is that the ls1 consistently dynoes higher, and also traps higher....it is the faster car when taking the driver out of the equation.
A guy that I go to college with has an 03 mach 5 speed that is bone stock , blue with the black hood scoop ( seems to be a real popular paint scheme)
My car wasnt stock, I had a flowmaster cat-back, an mti lid, and a K&N filter.
Still probably slow than an 01-02 Z....so it is a good comparison. Not to mention my car is 8 years old with 80k miles on the clock.
I raced him last year probably 5 times from a 10 mph roll.
Beat him every single damn time by 1 - 1 1/2 car length up to 100.

I dont care what anybody says, the ls1 cars are faster than the machs.

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