Automotive News, Media & Press - 2008 Pontiac GTO

GM plans all-new Pontiac GTO :secret2:

http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/gto28e_20050728.htm

Sales of 400-hp coupe take off
July 28, 2005


BY MARK PHELAN
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER



General Motors Corp. will stop building the Australian version of its Pontiac GTO performance coupe later this year, but the U.S. model will remain in production at least through the 2006 model year, and an all-new model is in the works, a Pontiac spokesman said.


After a slow start in 2004, U.S. sales of the 400-horsepower GTO have taken off this year. Pontiac sold 87% more GTOs in the first half of 2005 than for the same period last year.


The car is based on the Australian Monaro coupe, which went into production in 2001. GM's Australian unit, Holden, will drop the Monaro this fall to concentrate on getting a new model of its higher-selling Commodore rear-drive sedan into production. The new Commodore goes into production in mid-2006.


The Monaro and GTO are built in the same plant in Elizabeth, near Melbourne.


The next-generation GTO will come from a new global family of rear-wheel-drive cars, Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson said.


GM insiders say that car's appearance will be more eye-catching than the somewhat anonymous GTO. The new model is likely to go into production in 2008 and will probably be built in Australia.


"The next-generation GTO will fulfill the promise of the current car," Hopson said. "We have every intention of getting it on the street as soon as possible."


Holden will continue to build a version of Monaro for sale in England by GM's Vauxhall unit.

Again, with what platform?

Again, with what platform?GM has *something* in the works there. 99% certain it will be based on the Commodore, as that line underpins so many cars now in GM's protfolio. Not to mention GM wants a 3-series competitor that can match the range of 2-door, 3-door, AWD/RWD and Wagon. The 3-series is a huge cash cow, and that segment single handidly turned Infiniti around (in the G35). So keep the faith, GM isn't turning it's back on this segment.

So keep the faith, GM isn't turning it's back on this segment.

No, just ours. Fuckin bastards.

And does Pontiac really need a damned SUV? And a car based one at that?

Still calling for Putz's head on a platter. :mad:

No, just ours. Fuckin bastards.

And does Pontiac really need a damned SUV? And a car based one at that?

Still calling for Putz's head on a platter. :mad:Nah, we'll get a Camaro out of this yet. January 2006 will be a good month for the Camaro faithful.

Nah, we'll get a Camaro out of this yet. January 2006 will be a good month for the Camaro faithful.

I'm not a Camaro faithful. I don't give a damn about a Camaro. The better of the F twins is the one that matters. The Phoenix must rise from the ashes of it's demise.

>>GM insiders say that car's appearance will be more eye-catching than the somewhat anonymous GTO.<<

Uh oh, here comes the body cladding....

>>GM insiders say that car's appearance will be more eye-catching than the somewhat anonymous GTO.<<

Uh oh, here comes the body cladding....Maybe the old Pontiac, but the new G6 coupe is restoring my faith in Pontiac's styling ability.
http://www.d.lycos.de/startseite/auto/newlook/images/large/13877_1104941384987.jpg
http://autonet.ca/Autoshows/Calgary/2005/02/10/g6coupe1.jpg

Maybe the old Pontiac, but the new G6 coupe is restoring my faith in Pontiac's styling ability.
http://www.d.lycos.de/startseite/auto/newlook/images/large/13877_1104941384987.jpg
http://autonet.ca/Autoshows/Calgary/2005/02/10/g6coupe1.jpg
What!??! It's shaped like a Honda Accord coupe. Nothing original about the "first-ever" G6. Again, it's not bringing me into the dealerships. I don't see them on the road. It's still not refined enough to compare to Acura/Honda, BMW, Toyota/Lexus, etc. It's "all-new"? Nothing special.

What!??! It's shaped like a Honda Accord coupe. Nothing original about the "first-ever" G6. Again, it's not bringing me into the dealerships. I don't see them on the road. It's still not refined enough to compare to Acura/Honda, BMW, Toyota/Lexus, etc. It's "all-new"? Nothing special.If you haven't checked it out, you should. It is definately refined enough to compete with Honda and Toyota and dare I say it, yes even some of the offerings from Acura and Lexus. BMW...maybe not, but that's what the GTO is for. Personally, I don't see Pontiac as a competitor to BMW (as GM claims they want it to be), at least not yet, but don't go bashing the car if you haven't even looked at it.

Maybe the old Pontiac, but the new G6 coupe is restoring my faith in Pontiac's styling ability.


The lines on the G6 are a cacophony for the eyes. I imagine the front of the car was designed by a different group who designed the back of the car.

But I'll be sure the next time I stop by Avis to try one out.. ;)

The lines on the G6 are a cacophony for the eyes. I imagine the front of the car was designed by a different group who designed the back of the car.

But I'll be sure the next time I stop by Avis to try one out.. ;)I can't believe the guy with the BMW is the G6's only advocate here ;) Seriously though this is not an expensive car, so of course it's not going to be astylish as a G35, but still It's night and day better looking than the old Grand Am and most of what's coming out for Pontiac these days.

that said I think it's a good looking car for the money, and am looking forward to a refreshed GTO, Grand Prix and Bonneville.

If you haven't checked it out, you should. It is definately refined enough to compete with Honda and Toyota and dare I say it, yes even some of the offerings from Acura and Lexus. BMW...maybe not, but that's what the GTO is for. Personally, I don't see Pontiac as a competitor to BMW (as GM claims they want it to be), at least not yet, but don't go bashing the car if you haven't even looked at it.
I have looked at it. A girl at work just bought one. GT, black/tan. Just not what I would spend money on. I'd take an Acura TSX first.

On the G6, its a bitch car, rounded and another pontiac clone. How long have they been putting that damn grill look on cars now, 15 years?

As for the GTO, best thing they could do is start over and add some retro cues. The whole problem here is they have nothing that offers performance in the $20k range, which is what brought the demise of the Fbody's in the first place. Ford can't build enough mustangs, Chrysler has their hands full building hemi's. I'll almost guarantee the new Charger will fly out of the dealerships because it has a fairly unique look and you can get one with a Hemi for $30k according to the website. From any I've seen, you can't get a GTO for that.
:soapbox:

Sorry, GM is really pissing me off. :mad:

On the G6, its a bitch car, rounded and another pontiac clone. How long have they been putting that damn grill look on cars now, 15 years?

It's the corproate thing now. All Chevys have that stupid chrome bar, all Chryslers have the same cross grill, all Pontiacs have the twin grills, and so on. Sucks, but so does the idea of Pontiac putting out a car based SUV. All of GM management needs to be sacked.


The whole problem here is they have nothing that offers performance in the $20k range, which is what brought the demise of the Fbody's in the first place. Ford can't build enough mustangs, Chrysler has their hands full building hemi's. I'll almost guarantee the new Charger will fly out of the dealerships because it has a fairly unique look and you can get one with a Hemi for $30k according to the website. From any I've seen, you can't get a GTO for that.
:soapbox:

There is the Solstice that will be a hair under $20G, and the rumored Solstice Coupe is also rumored to be less than that.

But overall, you're right. A Miata fighter is great and all, but what is desperately (and obviously) needed is to bring the Firebird back. With a hot V6 and an optional LSx on the base model. Dump the Formula because the market isn't big enough anymore, sadly, and leave the Trans Am at the top of the heap. But drop the options other than hardtop/t-top (must have a hard top) and maybe a 'vert. T/A/GTA, WS6/non, too many versions. If the T/A is the ultimate Firebird, make it such. Don't have differing levels within that.


Sorry, GM is really pissing me off. :mad:

You're not the only one.

I can't believe the guy with the BMW is the G6's only advocate here ;)

That's a testiment to the design approach Pontiac was taking. They targeted the segment that buys 3 series, G35's, TL's, etc. The problem is the majority of that segment won't consider buying a Pontiac. It would seem they are lost to the imports now.

That's a testiment to the design approach Pontiac was taking. They targeted the segment that buys 3 series, G35's, TL's, etc. The problem is the majority of that segment won't consider buying a Pontiac. It would seem they are lost to the imports now.Well The G6 is only $18K-$24K, (before Crazy discounts), so I think it's more targeted at the Civic and Jetta than the Acuras, Infinits and BMWs of the world.

Anyhow, I'm just happy to see Pontiac is trying to make a clean design without the use of cladding, scoops and spoilers.

I think a good example is the Nissan 300ZX. It was a fantasticly styled car and didn't need any tacks ons to look good. Conversly the Mitsubishi 3000GT, another good looking car of that time, looked horrible without the extra stuff.

I'm glad to see Pontiac trying to make a good design first without these styling tricks.

Well The G6 is only $18K-$24K, (before Crazy discounts), so I think it's more targeted at the Civic and Jetta than the Acuras, Infinits and BMWs of the world.

Given the price point and FWD, you're probably right about that.

What!??! It's shaped like a Honda Accord coupe. Nothing original about the "first-ever" G6. Again, it's not bringing me into the dealerships. I don't see them on the road. It's still not refined enough to compare to Acura/Honda, BMW, Toyota/Lexus, etc. It's "all-new"? Nothing special.



Hey, exactly...look 3 or 4 threads down for what I posted about Iaccoca. He said the same exact thing, and doesn't think much of "Putz" either.

If Holden engineers it, great. If GM NA engineers it, someone hold me.

Either way, I'm not holding my breath for a redesigned GTO to bow after the current model, or any time soon after it's done.

Just found this searching the web, thought Id share. Sorry if anyone has already seen it.

http://motortrend.com/future/spied/112_0505_spied01/

I thought GM did away w/the Zeta platform.?

Hum, it is interesting to note the 110" wheelbase. Considering NASCAR Cup runs on the 110" wheelbase, if this does happen, might we see a NASCAR GTO along with the NHRA GTO? Also, now that I think about it, NHRA Pro Stock is similar to the NASCAR rules in that once a production nameplate ceases to exist (ie lumana or thunderbird) the body templete will also cease to be legal 2 full seasons after the death of the production car. (Don't hold me to that fully, but I'm pretty sure). So that brings the question, what is exactly going on since I can't see the NHRA teams building new GTOs now, to only have them be legal for, at most, 5 years. Granted, they do build new cars fairly often, but the "legal" body templates don't change that much or that often. Case in point, the death of the firebird and camaro, everyone went to the cav and the Grand Am, and they've been in them since about what, 01 or so, well, ok, maybe I just killed my own theory, but the firebird and camaro were used WAY longer than 4 seasons in Pro Stock competition.

Outdated article.
Considering GM-NA isn't going to use Zeta, that article is pretty much worthless.

Hum, it is interesting to note the 110" wheelbase. Considering NASCAR Cup runs on the 110" wheelbase, if this does happen, might we see a NASCAR GTO along with the NHRA GTO? Also, now that I think about it, NHRA Pro Stock is similar to the NASCAR rules in that once a production nameplate ceases to exist (ie lumana or thunderbird) the body templete will also cease to be legal 2 full seasons after the death of the production car. (Don't hold me to that fully, but I'm pretty sure). So that brings the question, what is exactly going on since I can't see the NHRA teams building new GTOs now, to only have them be legal for, at most, 5 years. Granted, they do build new cars fairly often, but the "legal" body templates don't change that much or that often. Case in point, the death of the firebird and camaro, everyone went to the cav and the Grand Am, and they've been in them since about what, 01 or so, well, ok, maybe I just killed my own theory, but the firebird and camaro were used WAY longer than 4 seasons in Pro Stock competition.

The higher funded teams are building new cars mid-season now-a-days. I thought the same thing about the GTO's life span, but Dodge ran the Neon for only a couple of seasons (in between the Avenger and Stratus).

Here is another speculation:
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102907

Here is another speculation:
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102907Ugliest PhotoChop EVER

Ugliest PhotoChop EVER
I agree. Is it just me or does it remind you of an RX8?

there's a sticky here about this already

there's a sticky here about this already
Yup :D

there's a sticky here about this already


Yes there alrady is.....btw, the first "artist renditions" make it look like a mustang.

there's a sticky here about this alreadyAnd Like Magic this thread merges with another one ;)

I want to see a LS2 Solstce! The new Grand Prix GXP looks like a fun car with a 303 hp 5.3. Pontiac Enthusiast track tested one that consistantly ran 14.20s in the quarter. Pontiac needs a 2 door GP again.

Wow 2 door GXP would be neat...
Come on GM build it along with an LS2 Soltice ;)

The new Grand Prix GXP looks like a fun car with a 303 hp 5.3.
I agree that the GP GXP (alphabet soup) is a nice looking car. Problem is its still FWD... :barf:

why would you want GM to build a 2 door GP GXP, for that you buy yourself a GTO.

why would you want GM to build a 2 door GP GXP, for that you buy yourself a GTO.
Kinda forgot about that.