Stereo & Electronics - Check out this Audio Sys.. Comments needed

Guys take a look at it again....I have updated my HU choices Please take a look at it again.... Thanks
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Ok guys after blowing the $hit out of my factory monsoon, I have decided to upgrade the audio System. Here is what I think so far... i am total newbie when it comes to sound so please let me know what u think and any changes u recommend.... Thanks for comments in advance....

Head unit
Pioneer DEH-P7700MP
Quick look : CD frequency: : 5-20,000 Hz| Sensitivity: 94 dB | 22 watts RMS x 4 channels | peak 50W
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-vCLUPYk67op/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&id=essential_info&i=130DEHP770#Tab)

Speakers Door and Sail panels
Pioneer TS-A1671R 3 way speakers
Quick look : frequency: 30-33,000 Hz | power range: 2-35 watts RMS |peak power: 220 watts |sensitivity: 90 dB
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hCzaT2wpM95/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=400&I=130TSA1671)

Subwoofer
Infinity Kappa Perfect 10.1d dual 4 Ohm
Quick Look : power range 75-350 watts RMS peak :1,400W frequency response 18-200 Hz sensitivity 94 dB
Quick Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3EWJiXRjEsn/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=108PER101D&search=Infinity+Kappa+Perfect+10%2E1d)

Sub Box
Camaro/Firebird Stealth Enclosures
Link (http://subthump.com/acamarostealth.htm)

Sub Amplifier
Alpine MRP-M350
Specs : 200 watts RMS x 1 @ 4 Ohms
Quick Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3GtgH5mHmyb/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=500MRPM350&s=0&cc=01)

My question is whether or not I should get a multichannel amp and power both speakers and the sub or get a mono amp and just power the sub... (The headunit says it has a built in amp I think that should be strong enough to drive the speakers) I am not looking for a crazy system just something that would kinda thump... Please let me know what u think...

The best option is to get a mono amp for the sub, and then a 4 channel amp for the mids/highs. Or you could go with a bigger amp. Not really sure on what's out there as far as a 5/6 channel amp is concerned. If you do decide to go with a mono amp, the power that the HU puts out, really isn't enough to power your mids/highs. They won't be getting the power they need, so the won't be putting out a good quality sound

You also wont be able to adjust the sound quality that much. You cant adjust the eq at all besides the presets it gives which is probably limited to "powerful" "vocal" " flat" etc.

Ok guys after blowing the $hit out of my factory monsoon, I have decided to upgrade the audio System. Here is what I think so far... i am total newbie when it comes to sound so please let me know what u think and any changes u recommend.... Thanks for comments in advance....

Head unit
Dual XDMR7700
Quick look : CD frequency: 10-20,000 Hz | Sensitivity: 92 dB | 22 watts RMS x 4 channels | peak 55W
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hCzaT2wpM95/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&I=070XDMR77)

Speakers Door and Sail panels
Pioneer TS-A1671R 3 way speakers
Quick look : frequency: 30-33,000 Hz | power range: 2-35 watts RMS |peak power: 220 watts |sensitivity: 90 dB
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hCzaT2wpM95/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=400&I=130TSA1671)

I plan on adding a JL 10W3V2 Sub and a suitable amp...
My question is whether or not I should get a multichannel amp and power both speakers and the sub or get a mono amp and just power the sub... (The headunit says it has a built in amp I think that should be strong enough to drive the speakers) I am not looking for a crazy system just something that would kinda thump... Please let me know what u think...


I would not get that dual head unit.
Get something that will last so you only have to buy it one time.
I recommend pioneer.


For the door speakers, I would recommend infinity or image dynamics.
Check out #4 in the FAQ for more info.

The JL for bass is an excellent choice

I also recommend pioneer Head Unit. I have JL audio W6 10's, and Rockford Fosgate highs. They sound great very clear. Bass slams, But that also depends on how well your box is made.

[QUOTE=2MuchRiceMakesMeSick]I would not get that dual head unit.
Get something that will last so you only have to buy it one time.
I recommend pioneer.

I heard that most dual recievers are not very good too. It would be worth the extra coin just to make sure that you are getting a quality head unit.

I agree Dual brand is ok but you can push much better sound coming out of a pioneer,clarion, sony or panasonic.. a lot of brands bs you with some wattage. as far as your question definetly get a mono for your subs and go w/ a 4 channel for your speakers.like 2muchricemakesmesick said go w/ some infinity's i would at least put those in your front doors specially since they have the adjustable tweeter! that's just my two cents.

I personally don't trust any new hu that is shipped with packing screws.... from what i've seen, only the cheaper ones that stop working quickly do that.

Say no to Dual (Boss, Phase Linear, Pyramid etc). Ive been repairing radios etc for 20 years...believe me. JVC is about the best of the lesser expensive that have lots of features. Pioneer, Eclipse, Alpine etc sound and operate way better.

Thank you guys I have updated my choices. Please take a look again and let me know what ya'll think....Thanks

Seems like some decent choices. I have a Perfect 10 and really like it. It's not a real big spl sub, but it is a decent SQ sub that can get fairly loud. There are better subs out there for similiar money though.
And you can probably save yourself quite a bit of money getting the stuff somewhere else besides Crutchfield. I've bought stuff from them before and have never had a problem, but you can get the same equipment cheaper at places like woofersetc, carmedia, pro car sound, cbr stereo, etc...

yeah I just crutchfield to research my items b4 I buy... Thier customer service is very helpful.... I actually buy my stuff from a local place....

Head unit
Pioneer DEH-P7700MP
Quick look : CD frequency: : 5-20,000 Hz| Sensitivity: 94 dB | 22 watts RMS x 4 channels | peak 50W
Spec Link

Great choice, I have this unit and it works great. You literally have control of all you music and amp with this unit. Control knob is a bit lesser, but this model kicks ass.

Right now I have the screen as my second battery amp gauge. The screen has a lot of cool features you can leave as background images or as I did use the screen as a second battery guage rating.

check ebay for good prices

i agree with the infinity stuff. all my stuff is off ebay
this is in my GMC Jimmy
4x6 dash 50 watt
6 1/2 in f/ door 180 watts
6 1/2 in r/ door 80 watts
and these things crank off of just my 7400 pioneer deck


for subs i have 2 Rockford Fosgate P3 subs DVC 4 ohm and a MA Audio 800 watt 2 channel @ 4ohm amp. like said before get a mono amp

just do your homework before buying stuff. like get the correct space box and correct amp and subs that work well with your amp and etc etc. just doing the basics will get you a great sounding system. you dont need all high end parts

i'm curious as to your budget.

my budget is around 700 + install

Control knob is a bit lesser, but this model kicks ass.

Im with this guy. I love Pioneers but IMO I think the recent years models control knobs feel like cheap pieces of crap. If you can get over that youre good to go with the HU.

all i have purchased is alpine and never had a problem... they have some good prices on ebay as well

iwuld not recommend the pioneer head unit it does not have a high voltage pre out unless you buy the very expensive one look for a deck with 5 volt pre outs especially for the subs

iwuld not recommend the pioneer head unit it does not have a high voltage pre out unless you buy the very expensive one look for a deck with 5 volt pre outs especially for the subs
I would reccommend a Premier DEHP770MP maybe $10 bucks more? --- instead of the 2.2v 1K outputs you will get 4 volt @ 100 ohm. The output impedence is as important if not more than the output voltage...with high volt low impedence (ohm spec) you get more signal, faster. I install 1-2 Premier DEHP770MPs a week and have great luck with them...my comparison is to say Eclipse pieces with close specs which get lots of respect in the audio world.

(3) 6.5V pre-outs on the Premier high-end series equipment.......although the Eclipse NOW has 7v pre-outs I believe. I have the old DEH940MP, which is the same as this year's DEH860MP, more or less, but w/burr brown. I had the 860 temporarily, but prefer the button/adjustment mechanisms better on the 940

FYI, most amps won't allow more than 4v input anyways (in most cases)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4041_64496601,00.html

(3) 6.5V pre-outs on the Premier high-end series equipment.......although the Eclipse NOW has 7v pre-outs I believe.

Most amps won't allow more than 4v input anyways (in most cases)

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4041_64496601,00.html

Eclipse are 5, 8 and one unit still has a balance 16 volt (+/- 8v)...Eclipse are so easy to decode by model #CD8455 is [{CD 8 4 55} is a (8 volt) (2005 model year) (model 55). The CD 5435 is a you guessed it 5 volt, 2005, #35...cool eh?
I think the Premier 770 MP is 4 volts, the 8 MP might be 6 or 6.5 and the 860 and 960 are 6.5 too. I have an 860 and love it. Back to Nitrous wars!!

yeah, that 8v set-up is a great HU for SPL'rs, but for SQ you don't need it!

I know I am running w/both the Pioneer 940 w/6.5v pre-outs thru a Memphis EQ w/7v preouts, and it is entirely too much, as the volume gain on my EQ is at less than 40% and my individual adjustments are even less than that in some cases depending on freq range.

IMO, 6v is plenty for the average consumer

yeah, that 8v set-up is a great HU for SPL'rs, but for SQ you don't need it!

I know I am running w/both the Pioneer 940 w/6.5v pre-outs thru a Memphis EQ w/7v preouts, and it is entirely too much, as the volume gain on my EQ is at less than 40% and my individual adjustments are even less than that in some cases depending on freq range.

IMO, 6v is plenty for the average consumer
It's real important for folks to remember that gain stages compounded on one another can be detrimental to sound. I'm speaking towards the fact that noise gets amped too. It def would not make sense to me to use a 6-8 volt preout gained with a line driver or eq with lots of gain and expect the amp's input to deal with the increased signal. I'm afraid this is getting way away from the original thread but for grins i'll add that being able to put an oscilloscope on the signal path at any given point is something i'm lucky enough to be able to do if necessary. I've had some systems over the last many years that had great components throughout and sounded like crap. On many occasions we found that all the way back to the head unit the output was clipping and each subsequent gain stage was trying to gain up the DC...anyway i'm all over the place here. I'd say in general terms that low budget doesn't have to be low quality. I'd much rather have a great 200 w/rms amp on a well made sub in a proper box with mids and highs running off a Mosfet based head playing something like Memphis MC60 speakers than a el-cheapo head with a 760watt Jensen amp on an entry level sub in a 3/8" thick sealed box.....:eek2:

Guys take a look at it again....I have updated my HU choices Please take a look at it again.... Thanks
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Ok guys after blowing the $hit out of my factory monsoon, I have decided to upgrade the audio System. Here is what I think so far... i am total newbie when it comes to sound so please let me know what u think and any changes u recommend.... Thanks for comments in advance....

Head unit
Pioneer DEH-P7700MP
Quick look : CD frequency: : 5-20,000 Hz| Sensitivity: 94 dB | 22 watts RMS x 4 channels | peak 50W
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-vCLUPYk67op/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&id=essential_info&i=130DEHP770#Tab)

Speakers Door and Sail panels
Pioneer TS-A1671R 3 way speakers
Quick look : frequency: 30-33,000 Hz | power range: 2-35 watts RMS |peak power: 220 watts |sensitivity: 90 dB
Spec Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hCzaT2wpM95/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=400&I=130TSA1671)

Subwoofer
Infinity Kappa Perfect 10.1d dual 4 Ohm
Quick Look : power range 75-350 watts RMS peak :1,400W frequency response 18-200 Hz sensitivity 94 dB
Quick Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3EWJiXRjEsn/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=108PER101D&search=Infinity+Kappa+Perfect+10%2E1d)

Sub Box
Camaro/Firebird Stealth Enclosures
Link (http://subthump.com/acamarostealth.htm)

Sub Amplifier
Alpine MRP-M350
Specs : 200 watts RMS x 1 @ 4 Ohms
Quick Link (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3GtgH5mHmyb/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=500MRPM350&s=0&cc=01)

My question is whether or not I should get a multichannel amp and power both speakers and the sub or get a mono amp and just power the sub... (The headunit says it has a built in amp I think that should be strong enough to drive the speakers) I am not looking for a crazy system just something that would kinda thump... Please let me know what u think...

Sometime it's good to reread the original post!!
Consider this setup...I run something like this and it works real well.
Disconnect all speakers...replace the front door with new 6 1/2 (6 3/4) {I use Memphis MC60s) ~$139/pr. Get a Premier DEHP770MP ~$279 head. (I use an DEHP860) MTX CF10 box unloaded and get a good 10" sub maybe a Boston G21044 (again I use a G51044) and find a good 300 w/ rms 2 ohm stable Class AB amp for "balls" (I use Yzen YA500)...Stinger amp kit...might be a bit over your budget but it should sound just fine...

Sounds goods, my bad :bang: , and sorry for the off-topic commentary, but the Premier units are good units despite some viewpoints, but that is why we have more than (1) choice. :jest:

I am DONE!

I'll save over-modulation/amplification for another time :eyes:

Sounds goods, my bad :bang: , and sorry for the off-topic commentary, but the Premier units are good units despite some viewpoints, but that is why we have more than (1) choice. :jest:

I am DONE!

I'll save over-modulation/amplification for another time :eyes:

There really isn't a right or wrong...healthy discussion helps everyone. Damn i'm used to the Nitrous forum.lol. I've been in car hifi since 1978 and still have a lot to learn...now more than ever there are so many good products. (Of course there are more terrible ones too). I've tried my best to stay away from the audio threads since i'm so burned out on it....but I have a real strong technical background having been the lead tech at several self servicing dealers throughout the south east. I have experience in repair as well as sales! Believe me i've seen it all!!

Keep in mind that your gain is for level matching, NOT VOLUME. Higher voltage pre-outs only help whether your goal is SQ or SPL.
HUs - stick to Pioneer, Alpine, or Eclipse. They're all good but here's the skinny. Pioneer for features, Alpine for feature and sound balance, Eclipse for sound. I've swapped Alpine for Pioneer, the upgrade was obvious immediately. Alpines are awesome but my Eclipse 8053 was noticeably better right out of the box. just like Alpine over Pioneer. Some of this is taste, but you'll find most knowledgeable people concur with MHO.
Stick with your stealthbox idea, it's solid.
Your front speakers are your most important part. Get components for the front, period. Don't waste your time with coaxes except for rear fill. Want bang for your buck both SQ and SPL? www.edesignaudio.com
Get your front stage, sub, and amps there. I am local, you can hear my setup if you want. I've SO been where you are. Trust me, spend it once, spend it right.
Front stage - eDi 6500 (budget - use 6000 set here)
rears - eDi 6000 (or use coaxs like CDT or skip the rear altogether)
front amp - nine.4 if you want rear fill, nine.2 to run just fronts + sub amp
sub - 11Ov2 (budget - 11Kv2)
sub amp - nine.2x (budget - nine.2)
They even have wiring now, I like knukonceptz also.

The sound and output of their "entry level" gear blows away Infinity and Pioneer. Their value - sound/dollar ratio is truly unreal. I've spent a ton of cash and time on my system. If I were to start over on a budget, all eD period. I've used several of their subs and currently run the 6500 component set up front. You have to spend a TON more money to get much better. Trust me on this one.

PM me if you want to hear my system.

go with alpine for the head unit they do it best
iv had more decks than you can shake a stick at and alpine has never failed me
they have alot of control over frequencys and just about anything you can imagine

Jumped in the fo` hit the juice on my ride
I got front back and side to side
Then I let the Alpine play
Bumpin new shit by NWA
It was "Gangsta Gangsta" at the top of the list


eazy knows

before you buy eD:
http://forums.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61209

i think if you were aware of their history, you would not consider buying from them.

coughALPINEcough