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It's about to get interesting ;)

saw it awhile ago on SPEED.....you are right,it's gonna get interesting,especially if they start winning right away.....[hope not though] not too sure about all the changes to the cars .... it is getting more Generic....it is going to come down to the Engine and Driver skill only..no more different body styles,but there really haven;t been any real different ones for quite awhile now..... :ripped: OH WELL.....

Lets see their might 6 cylinders win now! :jest: j/k I have no clue why they are in this if they don't even have a large 8 cylinder line//market.....

You have to give them credit.... That company will do whatever it takes to compete with the big 3....

Should be neat to watch.I just wish the cars in Nascar actually resembled the street cars, I hate all the common body template crap. Nascar needs a major overhaul. they are still using chassis and supsension tech from 30-40 years ago!But if toyota comes out swingin, maybe it will benefit American V8 aftermarket thru new technology

j/k I have no clue why they are in this if they don't even have a large 8 cylinder line//market.....

Give it a few months and then see what V8's they have on the market.

I remember a time when all of the cars running in Nascar weren't available with a V8 from the factory. Taurus, Lumina, Grand Prix? (Pontiac's entry)

I remember a time when all of the cars running in Nascar weren't available with a V8 from the factory. Taurus, Lumina, Grand Prix? (Pontiac's entry)

Excluding the Charger, that was last year ;)

2006 Monte Carlo has a V8 available, but it powers the wrong end ;)

I can't blame Toyota -- like someone here said, they'll do damn near anything to compete with the Big Three. And by doing such things as building plants all over the U.S. and entering NASCAR, they probably seem to a lot of people to be as American as the Big Three. Guess it's working.

Now, as for whether having Toyota around will raise the technology level of the series, it seems kinda' doubtful, at least at first. When Toyota entered the Truck Series a couple years back, it had to build a dumbed-down, 1960s-American-style V8 just to get in the series (funny seeing a new Toyota with a stone-age Holley four-barrel on it, but that's the way it is.)

I've heard rumblings that NASCAR is at least considering the possibility of fuel-injection systems and other slightly-new tech stuff for the future. But the pace of change with that organization is not exactly lightning speed, so who knows.

As for Toyota's success in Nextel Cup, it's unlikely they'll dive right in and dominate. But it's equally unlikely that they'll get totally clobbered. They've had a couple years in these basic cars (press release says they won 13 races and 18 poles during two seasons in the truck series). Besides, NASCAR always wants manufacturer support, so they'll do as much as they possibly can to keep Toyota competitive -- rules tweaks etc.
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i hope toyota gets the shit knocked out of them. the rule should be changed to "any company BASED in the us." call me what u wnt but i think its fucking bullshit.jap companies took over in IRL and now theyre gonna try to invade nascar, fuck them.

i hope toyota gets the shit knocked out of them. the rule should be changed to "any company BASED in the us." call me what u wnt but i think its fucking bullshit.jap companies took over in IRL and now theyre gonna try to invade nascar, fuck them.
well maibe if detroit wouldn't have their collective heads so far up their asses, things would have been different.

i hope toyota gets the shit knocked out of them. the rule should be changed to "any company BASED in the us." call me what u wnt but i think its fucking bullshit.jap companies took over in IRL and now theyre gonna try to invade nascar, fuck them.

Maybe companies "BASED in the us" should just beat them? It's not like Japanese companies murdered American techs and drivers and took over the sport. If they win more races, its because they are better. Big deal.

The Team cars http://www.toyota.com/motorsports/pitpass/photos.html
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Dammit...now I'm gonna have to boycott NAPA for sponsoring a damn Toyota. I hate seeing big American sponsorship on a foreign make car. It doesn't look like there's any stopping it either.

Excluding the Charger, that was last year ;)

2006 Monte Carlo has a V8 available, but it powers the wrong end ;)

I was thinking circa 1990. Not sure exactly what years those cars ran. I remember the Monte was replaced by the Lumina which at "best" had a 3.4 DOHC. The Taurus replaced the Thunderbird which, if memory serves, had a best of 3.0 V6 (Taurus that is). I guess the Grand Prix was Pontiac's entry which most likely had the 3.8 option. It's been a long time since the cars in Nascar were anything like the cars you'd buy from the showroom.

I was thinking circa 1990. Not sure exactly what years those cars ran. I remember the Monte was replaced by the Lumina which at "best" had a 3.4 DOHC. The Taurus replaced the Thunderbird which, if memory serves, had a best of 3.0 V6 (Taurus that is). I guess the Grand Prix was Pontiac's entry which most likely had the 3.8 option. It's been a long time since the cars in Nascar were anything like the cars you'd buy from the showroom.
isnt nascar sopose to be stock car racing or something like that?

isnt nascar sopose to be stock car racing or something like that?
NASCAR = National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing

They have not been based on stock bodied cars since the late 70's or early 80's.

I don't like this at all. NASCAR has it's own american history...Dodge, Ford & GM. It's a well known car race with american cars. I think they should make a foreign one and let the foreign cars have their own. Top 21 finishers from each one would compete in a seasons end battle royal...21 top american NASCAR finishers vs. 21 top foreign finishers which would give the total 42 cars needed for a race. That's just my 2 cents. I'm sure other people see it differently. :engarde:

Seems like everyones is just scared that the Asians will come in and win. If they do, they deserve it. Everyone needs to quite complaining about how things used to be and realize times are changing, get on board or be left behind.

everyones is just scared that the Asians will come in and win.
realize times are changing
And how up with the times are you? :)

This should mix things up nicely. It's time the big three realizes the only market they will have exclusively wrapped up is the legacy of the American muscle car. There's no manufacturer out there that can touch that but they say"There's no market for 2 coupes anymore". Riiiight, the Mustang sales are just figments of our imagination. Well , you know , what wins on Sunday , sells on Monday.

Well the only 2dr coupe that is in nascar today is the monte carlo, every other make is a 4dr sedan.

It will be interesting to see how Toyota will do. It was a matter of time before a japanese automaker would go Nascar and well its finally happened.

The only advantage that Toyota has at this moment is that they can develop and fine tune their version of Nascar's controversial car of tomorrow (COT) for 2007 - in which half of the races for that year will be using the COT. And that's due to the massive engineering resources Toyota has at their disposal, and that they are not racing in 06

This isn't the first time a foreign manufacturer has raced in Nascar. Jaguars raced in the series during the 1950's. 2006 will mark the last year that I'll be watching Nascar races for the racing aspect. In 2007 I will be watching it just to see how many of those blasted Camrys either don't finish or get taken out. That's how I watch the truck races now.

Toyota has tried to field a Nitro Funny Car Celica body over the past few seasons in the NHRA. It was probably the ugliest funny car body in the history of the class. Thankfully the CSK team that ran it last year has abandoned it and returned to the Monte Carlo body. I just hope they don't get some other team to run it.

Curious if many will still feel this positively about Japan/Japanese corporations if GM (or Ford) goes under and they start having even more serious political/decision making power in the U.S. influencing even more of what you say, wear, eat etc.
Japan generally doesn't accept the domestic nameplate vehicles made here in their country, not sure why people give us such grief for not accepting theirs.
Sort of like buying Girl Scout cookies from the neighbor's kid the very day after your neighbor told YOUR VERY OWN kid to "get the hell outta here" when trying to do the same the day before.

Letting them in NASCAR, hey that's racing. Changing 50+ years of tradition, history and legacy to suit them, FUGG THAT. :usa:

I'm glad Toyota is entering NASCAR. While IMO NASCAR sucks compared to sports car racing, I know many people love the sport. I respect it for what it is. Old outdated technology making left turns over and over again save for the Glen and Sears Point. If Toyota comes in and kicks the shit out of GM, Ford and Dodge I'll laugh my ass off. If there's one thing I've always believed the US could do better than anyone else in terms of vehicles, it's build carbed pushrod V8s. If Toyota starts kicking ass, it will only solidify my belief that the American car companies just plain suck ass. Carbed pushrod V8s are what American muscle were all about and NASCAR seems to be somewhat of a throwback to those days in terms of the technology (or lack thereof) put on display at Daytona and Talladega. If a Japanese company can come in and take a few steps backward and end up winning, more power to them. They deserve it. After all the years of experience, GM, Ford and Dodge have no reason to be beat technologically by an inexperienced Toyota.

Then again anything is possible. While they use DOHC motors instead of pushrod engines, Honda and Toyota IRL engines full on kicked the shit ouf the Olds turned Chevy IRL V8s. If you ask me, NASCAR is the motorsport iteration of the American auto industry up until about 2 or 3 years ago. Whereas NASCAR has been the same old crap for God knows how long, for the longest time on the streets and in the showrooms shit remained shit with the same old lack of technology being thrown at us in the form of the reliable but tired and outdated 3800 V6, live rear axle and shitty styling.

I want GM, Ford and Chrysler to succeed so badly but God they know how to fuck up a good thing. If Toyota takes tops (which despite their success along with Honda in the IRL is somewhat doubtful after their showing in the CTS) I'll be shaking my head in shame at the big three. This is their home turf. If they fuck up with 30 year old technology they should know like the back of their hand by now that only makes left turns save for 2 tracks they deserve that shit. Maybe if Toyota kicks the shit ouf of the big 3, GM will actually make a decent attempt at Le Mans again by actually putting some effort into a new Caddy LMP project unlike that half assed shit they pulled for 3 years a couple of years back. GM and Ford... half assed much?

I'm glad Toyota is entering NASCAR. While IMO NASCAR sucks compared to sports car racing, I know many people love the sport. I respect it for what it is. Old outdated technology making left turns over and over again save for the Glen and Sears Point. If Toyota comes in and kicks the shit out of GM, Ford and Dodge I'll laugh my ass off.You'll laugh? :confused:
Maybe it's a bad analogy but when I read shit like that I can't help but think that the person might also be saying: "if the U.S. military gets it's ass kicked by (enter foreign enemy here) I will laugh my ass off".
I know it's not the same but I just can't help hearing that in statements such as above. :nono:

bruddah_man_matt, you a one oppinionated sob.

I like it. And, even thought I tend to disagree more than agree, keep it all coming! :)

You'll laugh? :confused:
Maybe it's a bad analogy but when I read shit like that I can't help but think that the person might also be saying: "if the U.S. military gets it's ass kicked by (enter foreign enemy here) I will laugh my ass off".
I know it's not the same but I just can't help hearing that in statements such as above. :nono:

I can (avoid hearing that) because it has absolutely nothing to do with domestic/foreign let alone military. Then again maybe you were right. It's a bad analogy.

He's right. Sports car racing doesn't dicriminate so why should Nascar. I don't want to watch a race where certain brands of cars are excluded. That's not competition...that's a clique. I'm not much of a Nascar fan, but doesn't Toyota already race in the Craftsman Truck series?

NASCAR = National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing


Australians understand that better than we do.

http://www.v8supercar.com.au/

They still race modified production cars. Why don't we? :(

They still race modified production cars. Why don't we?
What would we race?

GTO v Mustang v Charger?

Sounds fun to me (as long as we can figure out how to turn right!)

It will be many years before they start winning. Look at their effort in Formula 1; 600 million a year and no wins. But its only a matter of time before they become front runners.

I may be able to put a little insight on things...I have been racing against TRD in the Craftsman truck series for 2 years..Toyota has their shit together....The took a Dodge R5,Chevy SB2.2 and a Ford (Not the SC1) and made one engine thats honestly 15 to 30 better than anything out there....They have unrivaled MFG support which dont really say much due to the fact that the big 3 are worried about staying afloat and not winning on Sunday....IF and I say IF they have good talent....TRD will win a cup race their first season....I say this because unlike F1 or any type of sports car racing the cars and rules in NASCAR are all the same for every team you have to run certian componets certian styles of suspension and the people in the buisness i.e crewcheifs mechanics and engineers are so cash whored out they'll leave any team to go to work for something that pays 10 bucks a week more When I go to the races its a common sight to see people show up with different teams on a weekly bassis...

As far as technology goes there is things going on in and with NASCAR that would blow people away....its in constant state of refinement.....My team just ordered a Faro arm some engineering types might know what that is and what its used for...were deffently not the first to have one but thats the direction the sport is going.. I was watching our engine shop un pack a Spintron machine some people might know what thats used for....I just think NASCAR deserves a little more credit than what people give it its easy to write the sport off as "old school" or simple but when your on the outside looking in its easy to feel that way. And to let people know every NASCAR Craftsman truck BGN or NNCS car used factory sheetmetal for the roofs hoods and decklids...

You'll laugh? :confused:
Maybe it's a bad analogy but when I read shit like that I can't help but think that the person might also be saying: "if the U.S. military gets it's ass kicked by (enter foreign enemy here) I will laugh my ass off".
I know it's not the same but I just can't help hearing that in statements such as above. :nono:

Let's get one thing straight. I think Bush is an idiot. One of the dumbest motherf**kers on the planet. But nowhere in my post did I state anything regarding the military so you need to stop right there sir. I had an Uncle who was a Green Beret, another who was a bridge engineer in Vietnam, my dad was an F-102 mechanic and my cousin is in Iraq as I type. I may think Bush is an idiot, but I fully respect and appreciate the military to the fullest. No matter what their orders are or whether or not I agree or disagree with our current commander in cheif, I ALWAYS SUPPORT THE MILITARY, WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND WHAT THEY DO. To put your life on the line for the lives of those in this country is a damn brave thing whether you're guiding the boom from a 135 to a squadron of F-22s or clicking off rounds from an M-16. God damn Bush (my opinion here) but God Bless the United States Military.

The anger I hold toward the US auto industry for constantly fucking up has nothing to do with the men and women who fight for this country.

bruddah_man_matt, you a one oppinionated sob.

I like it. And, even thought I tend to disagree more than agree, keep it all coming! :)

The constant failures over at GM and Ford seem to be responsible for fueling what I shall now refer to as my blog rage. :jest:

Let's get one thing straight. I think Bush is an idiot. One of the dumbest motherf**kers on the planet. But nowhere in my post did I state anything regarding the military so you need to stop right there sir. I had an Uncle who was a Green Beret, another who was a bridge engineer in Vietnam, my dad was an F-102 mechanic and my cousin is in Iraq as I type. I may think Bush is an idiot, but I fully respect and appreciate the military to the fullest. No matter what their orders are or whether or not I agree or disagree with our current commander in cheif, I ALWAYS SUPPORT THE MILITARY, WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND WHAT THEY DO. To put your life on the line for the lives of those in this country is a damn brave thing whether you're guiding the boom from a 135 to a squadron of F-22s or clicking off rounds from an M-16. God damn Bush (my opinion here) but God Bless the United States Military.
The anger I hold toward the US auto industry for constantly fucking up has nothing to do with the men and women who fight for this country.Fair enough and I too feel the same way about our military but still I must ask: why the hell would you want to laugh your ass off at the failure/destruction of GM/Ford (AMERICAN icons) and their racing programs? :confused:
Do you laugh at/ridicule/make fun of children when they fall down or get bad grades in school?
Do you people have ANY idea what could potentially happen (to the job base, to the economy, to our children's futures and while on the subject maybe even to the strength/future of our military) if GM or Ford goes under?
Not exactly a laughing matter IMO.

He said he would laugh at Toyota beating Ford and GM in Nascar.

I believe others have mentioned the "economic ramifications" of Ford and/or GM going under. Please elaborate.

He said he would laugh at Toyota beating Ford and GM in Nascar.

I believe others have mentioned the "economic ramifications" of Ford and/or GM going under. Please elaborate.

Please don't elaborate, this thread has already gone WAY off course. Please stay on subject or go make your own post.

WAY off subject.