Automotive News, Media & Press - LS7 in camaro? = LUTZ

Sticky: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have". (
For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight, all the way up to 500 hp or whatever size V-8s we have. Any V-8 engine that General Motors manufactures today is potentially slated for this car. You always would like to keep the Corvette with a few horsepower more than a Camaro. Theoretically, anything is possible.

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I don't see it happening as the LS7:

- is hand-built

- used in the flagship Corvette, the $65,000 Z06 which has a dry-sump oil lubrication system

I can see it happening as a rumored supercharged V-8 (LS9) is on the way for the C6.

Chevy needs to spend more time with the handling of the future Camaro than worrying about a hand-built LS7.

its on z28camaro.com 5th Generation Camaro/NAIAS 2006

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=424793

well it would be nice to just select the engine without tacking on 10-12000 more dollars. If you want a stripper v8 and nothing else should be able to do it. Unlike dodge with the magnums or charger. Click hemi and you automatically click 10grand.

I don't see it happening as the LS7:

- is hand-built

- used in the flagship Corvette, the $65,000 Z06 which has a dry-sump oil lubrication system

I can see it happening as a rumored supercharged V-8 (LS9) is on the way for the C6.

Chevy needs to spend more time with the handling of the future Camaro than worrying about a hand-built LS7.
He (Lutz) didn't say LS7, he said "500 hp." It's likely, if they offered such an animal, it would be either a new engine, a LS7 in a mass produced form, or only in extremely limited quantities. I don't see them making the effort for very low production numbers, but if there is a 500 hp option, my best guess would be a new (LS5?) or forced induction engine (possibly a supercharged LS2).

I will not buy a FI car, no way in heaven or hell. They need a mass produced LS7. I would buy a 2009 stripped LS7 Maro for 35 grand in a heartbeat.

I think it's smart of him to keep his options open. Look what it took to turn the Caddy CTS into the CTS-V. That project was more like old-fashioned engine-swapping (cutting, relocating stuff etc.) than typical auto-manufacturer engineering work. I imagine Lutz wouldn't want to get stuck in that situation again, and he would demand that the Camaro would be designed to accomodate a lot of different engines.
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yeah why not just make a mass produced ls7 for the camaro. handmade engines are no requirement for a non-supercar sports car

If FORD is going to come out with its 450 HP 5.4 s/c cobra for 06/07. GM should have a mass production LS7 or an LS2 with a forced induction powerplant to power the new CAMARO SS. That's my opinion.

I don't see it happening as the LS7:

- is hand-built

- used in the flagship Corvette, the $65,000 Z06 which has a dry-sump oil lubrication system

I can see it happening as a rumored supercharged V-8 (LS9) is on the way for the C6.

Chevy needs to spend more time with the handling of the future Camaro than worrying about a hand-built LS7.

What about the LT4 that they put in the 93-97 camaro's? That was the flagship engine too and it was very expensive. Made by Lotus.

Edited because I tried to change it before someone read it. Oops too late!!

What about the LT4 that they put in the 93-97 camaro's? That was the flagship engine too and it was very expensive. Made by Lotus.
no the lt5 was made by lotus and very expensive, the lt4 was an upgraded version of the lt1 for the corvette. The expensive lotus engine was only for the zr1 the flagship of flagships at chevy, well atleast at the time.

Lotus = LT5 not LT4

The LT4 motor was NOT put in ANY 1993-1996 Camaros. The LT4 was NOT built by Lotus. There were 100 1997 SS Camaros built by SLP that came with the LT4.

The LT5 was developed jointly by England’s Lotus Engineering and GM Powertrain Division and manufactured by MerCruiser in Stillwater, Oklahoma.

haha i just double checked it. and knowticed that by bad. But still, i believe its possible.

"What about the LT4 that they put in the 93-97 camaro's? That was the flagship engine too and it was very expensive. Made by Lotus."

There were very few LT4 cars and they were expensive and rare. We do not want a limited edition LS6-ish thing. We want a mass produced motor. They can do what you are talking about, but we want a cheap enough to afford car. Something akin to all the Terminators running around.

Wow....hahaha...mention "LT4" and "Lotus" in the same sentence and get pounced upon! :jest: Poor fella !

Wasnt the lt5 built by Mercury Marine?? Or did they change their name to Mercruiser?

Haha I tried to change it but I had like 6 posts before I could!!

lt4s also came in firehawks

Sorry, not attempting to be rude.

Wasnt the lt5 built by Mercury Marine?? Or did they change their name to Mercruiser?

post #15...by "me":

The LT5 was developed jointly by England’s Lotus Engineering and GM Powertrain Division and manufactured by MerCruiser in Stillwater, Oklahoma.

well it would be nice to just select the engine without tacking on 10-12000 more dollars. If you want a stripper v8 and nothing else should be able to do it. Unlike dodge with the magnums or charger. Click hemi and you automatically click 10grand.
That's a slight exageration. More like $4K when you get the Hemi, but they throw in more than just the engine (leather interior, larger wheels, upgraded braking/exhaust/suspension, for example).

"And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise." Bob Lutz http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/

Sticky: Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp or whatever size V8 we have". (
For production we would obviously do like we did in the old days -- you would have a popular-priced six-cylinder version, then you step up to an eight, then you step up to the next eight, all the way up to 500 hp or whatever size V-8s we have. Any V-8 engine that General Motors manufactures today is potentially slated for this car. You always would like to keep the Corvette with a few horsepower more than a Camaro. Theoretically, anything is possible.



Sounds killer.



But why does the corvette have to have more HP? That IMO is not necessary. And when the Camaro had the same LS1 as the vette and dynoed the same, it was gay how GM under rated the Camaro and over rated the vette.


IMO - GM feels, in general, that vette owners are shallow and ignorant and that the vette owners need to be able to stat their car higher or something.

Lt5 with a s/c (hey I can dream! lol), not to be to fordish but that would be sick!

Lutz: "all the way up to 500hp .... Theoretically, anything is possible.

Theoretically, Lutz is a jackass. Stop with the bullshit and give us details Putz. :judge:

Jesus if they throw a mass produced LS7 type engine in, I'm saving money for the down payment the day it's announced:drool:

"And for those of you who might say, “Well, the Challenger has 35 hp more,” I would just reply that we have a certified 1OO more on tap from the ZO6 engine, should the need arise." Bob Lutz http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/
Damn Lutz is dumb. Dodge has more power on tap too.

I thought I read or heard somewhere, someone said the days of the corvette having to have the highest hp was over. They went on to give examples of currently that the GTO had the same ls2 in it as the C6 'vette (pre LS7 Z06 of course) as well as the CTS-V. So who knows, they may make the LS7 an option if you want to pay for it. They could always just demod it by going to a normal sump oil pan, smaller cam, restrictive airbox etc.

Who knows for sure.... but at least there is hope.

Damn Lutz is dumb. Dodge has more power on tap too.How do you know that?

How do you know that?

Use your head... common... you can do it... what two vehicles does dodge have with more than 425 hp.... I'll give you a hint, V...... I.... P... got it?

I doubt there will be an LS7 in a camaro, they need to keep the corvette faster, that would steal its sales...also I dont see the LS7 being mass-produced

How do you know that?Here is a link and a quote from this website: http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

"There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly."

In addition to what LSONE said, assuming we stay with V8s, Dodge has the 392 available and they previously experimented with using a low boost Whipple supercharger on it's 5.7L Hemi before deciding on using the 6.1L in it's SRT-8 lineup. What if they put that Whipple on the 6.1L? It was rated for 425-450 in the 5.7L.

Remember, they have had a production 500+hp/500+tq engine for years longer than Chevy has the LS7. 14+ years now at 450+hp/450+tq vs 1 year for Chevy. The first production Viper rolled off the assembly line in Dec. 1991!

Sounds killer.



But why does the corvette have to have more HP? That IMO is not necessary. And when the Camaro had the same LS1 as the vette and dynoed the same, it was gay how GM under rated the Camaro and over rated the vette.


IMO - GM feels, in general, that vette owners are shallow and ignorant and that the vette owners need to be able to stat their car higher or something.
IMO its that they dont want the general public thinking the Camaro is as "good" or as "fast" as the more expencive Corvette.
They dont want people thinking "Hell, for less money Ill buy the Camaro and go just as fast!"

Here is a link and a quote from this website: http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

"There are rumors that the new 392 Hemi crate engine, designed for racing, will go along with the new Dodge Challenger body. The 392 is apparently a racing-only engine in current form, not a production design, but a lower-power version may well be made for production and appear in the Challenger. The Challenger concept car to be shown at NAIAS (Detroit, January 2006; the Camaro will also be shown) uses, not surprisingly, the SRT-8 6.1 liter engine — but, unlike any current production LX car, it also has a six-speed manual gearbox. (Automobile suggested that the 510 horsepower 6.4 liter 392 Hemi might be used.) There are issues with the 392 - most notably the question of what untrained drivers will do with that much power. A fairly large number of Vipers left this world unexpectedly."

In addition to what LSONE said, assuming we stay with V8s, Dodge has the 392 available and they previously experimented with using a low boost Whipple supercharger on it's 5.7L Hemi before deciding on using the 6.1L in it's SRT-8 lineup. What if they put that Whipple on the 6.1L? It was rated for 425-450 in the 5.7L.

Remember, they have had a production 500+hp/500+tq engine for years longer than Chevy has the LS7. 14+ years now at 450+hp/450+tq vs 1 year for Chevy. The first production Viper rolled off the assembly line in Dec. 1991!I knew exactly where you and LSDOUCHE were going to go with it. You two are comparing Dodges supercar to a potentiall mid 20-30 thousand dollar vehicle. You have to be out of your mind to believe they will throw the V10 in the Challenger, it won't sell for 50+K. Not only that, the 392 you speak of hasn't even been confirmed for a production car and it's a race engine making 500hp, what will it be with a detuned version in a Challenger? Not only that, what about the upcoming 600hp SC 6.2L coming from GM? What does Dodge have coming out that is confirmed?.....nada. Hell, lets throw in the C6R engine if we are going to compare everything that's ever been associated with every carmaker.

I knew exactly where you and LSDOUCHE were going to go with it. You two are comparing Dodges supercar to a potentiall mid 20-30 thousand dollar vehicle. You have to be out of your mind to believe they will throw the V10 in the Challenger, it won't sell for 50+K. Not only that, the 392 you speak of hasn't even been confirmed for a production car and it's a race engine making 500hp, what will it be with a detuned version in a Challenger? Not only that, what about the upcoming 600hp SC 6.2L coming from GM? What does Dodge have coming out that is confirmed?.....nada. Hell, lets throw in the C6R engine if we are going to compare everything that's ever been associated with every carmaker.
Bob Lutz, is this you?

You are as dumb as a box of rocks. You think you know where I'm going? I've been to where YOU think YOU are going and I have already finished my beer and am on my way back.

Get the facts straight my son. The first quote was that Lutz said more power was on tap and pointed to the LS7. My response (in a nutshell) was that if you want to compare engines, GM has done a poor job of keeping up to Dodge in the production marketplace. Dodge's comparable engine is over a decade old and they have already spoke of using an alternate V8 like GM has. Additionally, the LS7 is only speculation as it pertains to entry into the Camaro, as is the 392 into the Challenger.

Damn you're dumb, realize that I was bringing up ENGINES, not supercars.

As a side note: Do you think he'll throw in the engine from his supercar into the Camaro? I would assume that if it did happen, it would not be until the Z06 is moving on to a new/bigger engine and the LS7 could be mass-produced to bring the cost down.

You are a true example of why inbreeding results in offspring that should have been aborted.

Bob Lutz, is this you?

You are as dumb as a box of rocks. You think you know where I'm going? I've been to where YOU think YOU are going and I have already finished my beer and am on my way back.

Get the facts straight my son. The first quote was that Lutz said more power was on tap and pointed to the LS7. My response (in a nutshell) was that if you want to compare engines, GM has done a poor job of keeping up to Dodge in the production marketplace. Dodge's comparable engine is over a decade old and they have already spoke of using an alternate V8 like GM has. Additionally, the LS7 is only speculation as it pertains to entry into the Camaro, as is the 392 into the Challenger.

Damn you're dumb, realize that I was bringing up ENGINES, not supercars.

As a side note: Do you think he'll throw in the engine from his supercar into the Camaro? I would assume that if it did happen, it would not be until the Z06 is moving on to a new/bigger engine and the LS7 could be mass-produced to bring the cost down.

You are a true example of why inbreeding results in offspring that should have been aborted.Dude, I agreed with most of what you were saying. LSDOUCHE is the one that mentioned the insane idea of the Viper engine. I understand you want to work from speculation on future engines. Your angle is quite off though, the LS7 has actually been produced while the 392 hasn't even been approved yet. As far as yuor off the wall joke of a comment that GM hasn't kept up with Dodge in the production marketplace....WTF WTF. Are you even talking about engines any longer? WTF has Dodge done in the racing world compared to GM? Answer: Not a GOT DAMN THING!!!!!!!!

Lutz's entire statement was speculation on future vehicles. The 392 is less speculation than the 5th generation Camaro. Last time I looked the racing world has little to do with the production car industry.

I say, screw you all there; gonna make the ls8 with 500ci and 700hp. thats right they got the iron block 8.1l vortec. there gonna move up to aluminum now and gonna run ls7 style heads that flow 200cfm more. Just watch out this thing gonna be a beast, no whippy dodge or ford will be able to keep up. btw this thread is useless.

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I don't see it happening as the LS7:

- is hand-built

- used in the flagship Corvette, the $65,000 Z06 which has a dry-sump oil lubrication system

I can see it happening as a rumored supercharged V-8 (LS9) is on the way for the C6.

Chevy needs to spend more time with the handling of the future Camaro than worrying about a hand-built LS7.

Hand built? Aren't all engines hand built? It's not like the LS7 for the Z06 can't be tuned for more power I'm sure. Or vice versa, a Camaro version LS7, slightly downtuned that we could just mod anyway. Whatever it's going to have, I'm sure it's going to be very competetive. I'm thinking of something around the 450-475 horsepower range for the high-end model. If ponycars become as popular as all the concepts are showing they're going to be and if the horsepower wars continue, the Camaro is going to have a tough position to fill.

"Hand built? Aren't all engines hand built?"

No, your LS1 was massed produced along with all of the rest of ours. The LS7 is built by one dude with the parts to the highest specifications in a lab-coat-esque clean room environment. He even signs your engine when he is finished like it is a Cabbage Patch Doll.