Automotive News, Media & Press - New Firebird Rumor.......

I really didn't think it would be back, atleast for a while after the Camaro but here is the latest rumor courtesy of autospies.com........

Sources tell the Spies that big news could be coming out of GM very soon about the impending confirmation of the Camaro becoming a reality.

So what's new about that?

Not much, but that's not the scoop.

The Spies have learned when they do announce it will be built, they will also mention the return of the Firebird and Trans AM will not be far behind the Camaro.

Just what I have been waiting for... a Trans Am! Long live Pontiac!!!

I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see GM selling the Camaro, GTO, and Firebird on the same platform and making money at it.

I don't see it happening. I hope not, anyway...I like having the last of the breed :)

Build it GM!!!!! Hell yeah, great possible news....

A long, long time ago GM used to sell a GTO, Firebird, and Camaro. I guess it did well until the gas crunch. What's that phrase? History repeats itself....

I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see GM selling the Camaro, GTO, and Firebird on the same platform and making money at it.That's exactly the problem I see wih it. This news is great for Firebird lovers, but is it good for GM? We'll wait and see I guess.

Left lane is reporting the same thing
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/02/gm-to-build-new-firebird-trans-am-alongside-camaro/

:hail:FIREBIRD:hail:

Sky/Solstice, ANY GM/GMC truck and so on all share the same platform it can be done.
J:D

I would buy a Trans AM over a camaro :)

It's possible , the GTO really hasn't had impressive sales numbers so maybe the'Bird will be back.The GTO is a great car but really hasn't grabbed the public's attention like the lone RWD V8 coupe in Pontiac's lineup should have.

I wonder where they would build it?

same place as the camaro

I would love for the T/A to come back.

I want it to come back. I'll buy it when it comes out and use it as my daily driver, and make my WS6 my 25% street, 75% drag car.
-Joel

I see history repeating also, too many performance cars competing against each other. It would also cause poor sales figures for each of the cars and budget cut backs ect. GM needs to focus on competing against its competitors, not its self. I think the Camaro would have far out sold the Mustang in the past if it werent for four other performance cars in the GM line up. Im not at all saying we should only have the Camaro, just that the market isnt there for several performance cars like the 60s.

I hope the BIG SHOTS at GM read this !!!

1. Come out swinging hard, DESTORY THE COMPITITION , offer ((( LS7)))

2. Let the buyer pick the options they want. EXAMPLE - If I want a
Trans am, DON'T force me to buy a Firebird if I DON'T want T-TOPS.

3. $$$$ Try to keep price REASONABLE.

GM read this...Make an affordable Maro and only an affordable Maro. Compete with Ford and DC, not your friggin self...

The GTO will wiped out and the Firebird Trans Am is coming back with the Camaro!

If GM does this they are retarded. Make a new performance Pontiac, a 3-Series competitor. This is so stupid. Why would you compete with yourself??? All sorts of money will be wasted on this duplication of efforts.

Make it and don't go retro. Then I will be looking forward to the revival of the f-body

agan, 4 words... Central Office Production Order

i would totally crap my pants if GM confirmed this.

I wonder if GM saw thet photoshop of the new Camaro turned into a Bird... That 'chop should have been enough to convince *anyone* that platform just looks RIGHT as a 'bird :)

If GM does this they are retarded. Make a new performance Pontiac, a 3-Series competitor. This is so stupid. Why would you compete with yourself??? All sorts of money will be wasted on this duplication of efforts.

Why you say that? GM got away with BOTH cars, Firebird/Camaro, from 1967-2002....Now is the time to get back, full force. Look at Dodge, they pulled off a 4 door Charger and soon will be in the pony car race with the Challenger. GM needs to take risks and now is the time, they have been wasting time for too long!!! People want them...give them to them I say! Biggest error was not maintain competitive prices. Bring Camaros and Firebird at competitve prices and they will sell. Young guys are looking again at rear wheel horsepower cars (drifting anyone?)

I hope they don't make another firebird. When they started using the smallblock chevy in it in 1982 it lost its personality. If your going to buy somting with a chevy engine in it then it may as well be a chevy.

I really didn't think it would be back, atleast for a while after the Camaro but here is the latest rumor courtesy of autospies.com........

Sources tell the Spies that big news could be coming out of GM very soon about the impending confirmation of the Camaro becoming a reality.

So what's new about that?

Not much, but that's not the scoop.

The Spies have learned when they do announce it will be built, they will also mention the return of the Firebird and Trans AM will not be far behind the Camaro.


It stands to reason that if the Camaro returns and is successful that a Firebird would follow.

Not surprised if they do. Just makes sense.

I think if the new Trans Am was less retro looking than say the Challenger, for example, then at the time these cars are produced, (which they may be produced around the same time), then the Trans Am would be the open option for those people who want not only an all around better and bad ass car (biased...obviously) but for those who are sick and tired of that retro look that would currently be offered by other manufacturers. For those who want a more modern-sporty design than retro. Just Just a thought.

I wonder where they would build it?
Ramos, Mexico.
Don't hold your breath for a Firebird or a T/A. In fact, I'm sure it's been posted but I just didn't see it, the Camaro you saw is not the Camaro that will be built. I'm afraid the General has once again caused us to get our hopes up for nothing. A Camaro will be built, but what it will look like is far from set at this point. On a sidenote, my company received info that we'll be quoting parts for the Challenger this month. I'm curious to see what they're forecasting for production #'s.
Hopefully GM and DCX won't follow Ford and put out 180,000 V6 models and flood the market.

If GM does this they are retarded. Make a new performance Pontiac, a 3-Series competitor. This is so stupid. Why would you compete with yourself??? All sorts of money will be wasted on this duplication of efforts.
They already do, look how many versions of the Trailblazer they have, also the pickup, Suburban, Equinox, Solstice/Sky, the divisions compete against each other every day, as for money wasted, look how much they wasted on bringing the GTO to the US, they had to redo the front and rear, switch the steering wheel, not to mention the gas tank relocation, all for a car that in 05 sold less than the WS6 did in 02.
GM Build the T/A, and the Camaro and this time ADVERTISE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Decent price, good quality, and great performance, and people should be lined up to buy them (just like they do the Mustang)
Just make sure the baseV6 model is up to par (that's the one that has to sell well to enable the Z28/SS/T/A to continue to exist)

"Look at Dodge, they pulled off a 4 door Charger and soon will be in the pony car race with the Challenger."

Two entirely different cars, for two entirely different buyers. GM does not need to make two pony cars. Think of all of the millions of research dollars GM will waste making both a Maro and a Bird, why do that? If you want a Bird you will buy a Maro. They are the same car for pete sakes. Not only does GM not need a Bird and a Maro, but GM needs to get rid of Pontiac and Buick.

Chevy as the Car Company
Caddy as the Luxury Company
GMC as the Truck Company

All of this excess effort is such waste. No wonder US car manufacturers are having a hard time keeping their heads above water, AGH!!!

Oh, and make the V6 really nice. Dual exhause, all the bells and whistles, nice rims and tires, and a "high-tech and output" V6. GM has treated the V6 FBodies like afterthoughts. From the look of the V6 Retro Stang it also looks like an afterthought. If GM made a very nice V6 within the Mustang price range, GM could pull V6 Stang buyers to the darkside, and make our V8's quite a bit cheaper.

Hopefully GM and DCX won't follow Ford and put out 180,000 V6 models and flood the market.
Hopefully GM does so that the camaro can be the model that helps bring them back, while all the v-6 sales will help with v-8 prices and R&D.

If your going to buy somting with a chevy engine in it then it may as well be a chevy.
Does that go for the GTO? Cts-v? The cadillac truck series? An engine is an engine what matters is what it goes into, not the other wat around.

"Look at Dodge, they pulled off a 4 door Charger and soon will be in the pony car race with the Challenger."

Two entirely different cars, for two entirely different buyers. GM does not need to make two pony cars. Think of all of the millions of research dollars GM will waste making both a Maro and a Bird, why do that? If you want a Bird you will buy a Maro. They are the same car for pete sakes. Not only does GM not need a Bird and a Maro, but GM needs to get rid of Pontiac and Buick.

Chevy as the Car Company
Caddy as the Luxury Company
GMC as the Truck Company

All of this excess effort is such waste. No wonder US car manufacturers are having a hard time keeping their heads above water, AGH!!!

I thank God you are not at GM. The only car worth to be called "something else" in the Chevrolet line up is the Vette. Sorry but getting rid of Pontiac is just retarded. I would buy a Camaro if there is not a Firebird. Build both and I will be getting a Firebird. IMO Firebird has always outclassed the Camaro. You obviously are a Chevrolet only guy so I bet you will disagree. I would get rid of Buick though but they will not, since Buick sells a lot of cars in Japan I believe (or China....who cares!)

"I would buy a Camaro if there is not a Firebird. Build both and I will be getting a Firebird. IMO Firebird has always outclassed the Camaro."

Then why spend hundreds of millions of dollars of engineering and getting approved the exact same car with a different body? Sadly you are the type of clown at GM with such grabasstically inclined thinking.

"I would get rid of Buick though but they will not, since Buick sells a lot of cars in Japan I believe (or China....who cares!)"

In the US we must get rid of all the excess brands. The federal regs and certifications are ridiculous. In Asia, we need as many car brands as they will buy. No regulations and soon China will be buying more cars than the US. 1.3 billion v. .3 billion ppl (300 million PRC civilians in a relatively good financial position). With 1.3 billion ppl there is room for several brands. Once GM really catches on with the PRC, we can then start getting rid of some of the superflous brands.

yea, im pretty sure the GTO will be scratched because of its disappointing styling and sales. The T/A would be the better choice imo. The GTO needs to be scratched or made all out performance to where its not competing with the maro or T/A.

"I would buy a Camaro if there is not a Firebird. Build both and I will be getting a Firebird. IMO Firebird has always outclassed the Camaro."

Then why spend hundreds of millions of dollars of engineering and getting approved the exact same car with a different body? Sadly you are the type of clown at GM with such grabasstically inclined thinking.

"I would get rid of Buick though but they will not, since Buick sells a lot of cars in Japan I believe (or China....who cares!)"

In the US we must get rid of all the excess brands. The federal regs and certifications are ridiculous. In Asia, we need as many car brands as they will buy. No regulations and soon China will be buying more cars than the US. 1.3 billion v. .3 billion ppl (300 million PRC civilians in a relatively good financial position). With 1.3 billion ppl there is room for several brands. Once GM really catches on with the PRC, we can then start getting rid of some of the superflous brands.

You are one of those people that talk like they have the holy grail of truth and knowledge, almost like a fucking divine prophet. Why should I buy a fucking Camaro?? Because you said so?? :eyes: I know a lot of Firebird enthusiasts who really don't give a fuck of a new Camaro so learn to live with it.

You really must know something GM dont...try writing them a letter and lets see who the clown is. GM always has had multiple brands of the same car successfully until some years back. Poor marketing has been a great factor in declining sales, not exactly multiplicity of brands, as well as not been able to keep affordable prices at the more desirable models. How many Camaro/Firebirds were sold???? The new Camaro maybe cool but without a Firebird companion some believe it will fall short.

At the end, if GM goes down, there's still a lot of cool cars in the market. I love cars plain and simple. Firebirds and Pontiacs may be my favorites, and I will keep my Pontiacs forever, but I'm able to see a life after the GM demise if it occurs.

I would love to see another Trans Am but do I think GM will make it so I can afford it? Probably not, the new Dodge Challenger is going to cost something like 39K. The Mustang Cobra is the same way and I can't see GM not taking the same road as the other two. I love my 2000 TA, it is the third TA (2 '73's back in the 1980's) that I have owned, and it is the best of the breed. I just can't see the General, with all of the problems they have been having, making the car available for regular people. Hopefully they will prove me wrong. Everyone take care and keep the dream alive!
Scott

Hopefully GM does so that the camaro can be the model that helps bring them back, while all the v-6 sales will help with v-8 prices and R&D.
Ford was so far over budget on the Mustang, I think they'll be digging out of that one until the next design change. By the way, how well is the Mustang doing digging Ford out?

Ford was so far over budget on the Mustang, I think they'll be digging out of that one until the next design change. By the way, how well is the Mustang doing digging Ford out?
IM not naive enough to believe one model can single handedly bring back GM. However i do believe the styling shows promise, which could bring people back into the show rooms to look at/test drive this car. although they may not buy the camaro getting people to look GM's way is a giant step in a long journey. Next if they could make this thing with high quality it would go along way to curb the "american cars are inferior to Imports(euro's included)" sentiment. With this car GM has a chance to bring the excitement back, i remeber when i was 13(not too long ago) i couldnt look at a camaro w/o getting a woody, i want that feeling back, and this is the car to do it.

i don't see it happening anytime soon. especially with the GTO and new camaro.

what if it does happen down the line, but in dodge charger fashion, with 4 doors??? :bang:

They have to market the cars with plenty of commercial ads, cobalt with corvette anyone? I see plenty of cobalts out there now :bang: How do you expect the public to buy if they don't know about the product?

i don't see it happening anytime soon. especially with the GTO and new camaro.

No more GTO! Borrowed from Srtforums.com

>>>>Link<<<< (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/07/report-gm-will-not-build-another-gto/)


According to a new report by Motor Trend, GM has scrapped any plans for building a new Pontiac GTO as a follow-up to the current model. Recently, there has been some speculation that GM might replace the much-criticized GTO with a new model based on the same platform as the forthcoming Chevrolet Camaro. While GM is considering a rear-wheel-drive offensive, it appears the GTO will not be part of that plan. Other possible nameplate revivals that could use a new RWD architecture include the Buick Velite and Chevy Impala. Recently, we cited a report suggesting the company might use the Camaro platform for a new Firebird or Trans AM. (Show right is the 1999 GTO concept. If GM builds another GTO, it's widely expected to use a more agressive design like that of this GTO concept).

Sounds like our chances for a New Firebird just got a little better...

Figured that, I could have sworn that GM was only going to use the GTO name plate temporarily anyway since Holden was doing changes. Sounds like the Bird will be back. :nod:

Make a nicely interiored Camaro and it is a TransAm. Why do you need to spend billions on a seperate car? Just to have a name? Really, slap a TA badge on it if it makes you so much happier. An FBody is an FBody. There will be no new engine or anything in a Pontiac FBody. Why should GM in its financial straights waste money on rebuilding the same car?

Why should GM in its financial straights waste money on rebuilding the same car?
If its going to be the same car how much money can they waste? Especially nowadays when its common to pick and pull from existing platforms to fill in a certian market share. I say take the interior from the gto and throw it in the camaro concept body, call it a Trans Am. Its not like they are manufacturing a completely new car from scratch where they have to shell out millions for R&D, theyve already paid it for the camaro. So realistically(sp?) how much more can having a trans am cost gm? I hope someone with some sort of knowledge can chime in on that last part.

Make a nicely interiored Camaro and it is a TransAm. Why do you need to spend billions on a seperate car? Just to have a name? Really, slap a TA badge on it if it makes you so much happier. An FBody is an FBody. There will be no new engine or anything in a Pontiac FBody. Why should GM in its financial straights waste money on rebuilding the same car?

Damn man, what do you think they are building, a stealth fighter??? The cost to come up with exterior desgin changes, as well as some interior upgrades would not run into the "billions" as you put it.

I for one like the new camaro but wouldn't be convinced to get one. Now if they take that design, and modify it to make a Trans Am Firebird, I would probably be down ordering one the first day available.

Why? I have always liked the way that the Firebird looks compared to the Camaro. It's also an image thing. I like that the camaro is more plain, subdue, mainstream and the firebird has always been unmistakeable and different. Look at ever single generation and you can always tell which one was the firebird and which one was the camaro.

An your "3 car company" strategy is all wrong as well. If that were the case, when we were shopping for my wife's new car, we tried out the Trailblazer, the Envoy, the Saab 9-7x, the BMW X3/5, the Murano etc etc.

We came down to either a X3 or the Saab and decided on the Saab based on asthetics and feel. If it weren't for the Saab, GM would have lost the sale. It doesn't hurt GM to lose a customer from one of it's dealers to another. As long as they can sell enough of the other model to make it profitable, then by all means do it.

Case in point... the 98-02 f-bodies averaged around 50k cars per year in sales, split I beleive 45/55 (firebird/camaro). Do you think they would have sold 50k camaro's alone without the firebird? I highly doubt that. I know I was turned away from the camaro when I drove it. I didn't like the styling or the interior at all. The dealer suggested I go next door and look at the firebird and so I ended up buying a T/A.

Don't be so short sighted when it comes to offering options.

Make a nicely interiored Camaro and it is a TransAm. Why do you need to spend billions on a seperate car? Just to have a name? Really, slap a TA badge on it if it makes you so much happier. An FBody is an FBody. There will be no new engine or anything in a Pontiac FBody. Why should GM in its financial straights waste money on rebuilding the same car?

Your thought process is as narrow as a virgin's vagina.....why not be more honest and say you are just a blind Chevrolet follower? You just happen to like more the Camaro than the Firebird wich is cool, we and a lot here could care less. Just stop with the senseless arguments. Whats you fear about a new Firebird??That it would look 10 times better than the Camaro?? They both sold well for a LOT of years so really whats your point?? You are making no sense..... :eyes:

A long, long time ago GM used to sell a GTO, Firebird, and Camaro. I guess it did well until the gas crunch. What's that phrase? History repeats itself....
:eyes: right. they stopped producing the camaro/firebird because of the gas crunch in the 70's. how did I miss that :jest: 30mpg is terrible too isn't it :eyes:


pretty awesome news, if it happens. now I can get the camaro and my fiance can get the bird.

Two Pontiac autoshow reps "eluded" to the fact ~3~4 years last night at the baltimore autoshow...but I did NOT by any means take it as a firm, confirmed fact. Mildly humored is more of the tone. I did mention to the chevy people that they need to keep moving forward with the camaro concept, and the gal I talked to said they have heard that frequently.

"An your "3 car company" strategy is all wrong as well. If that were the case, when we were shopping for my wife's new car, we tried out the Trailblazer, the Envoy, the Saab 9-7x, the BMW X3/5, the Murano etc etc."

I cannot help that you like land yachts for your daily car. Some ppl such as I would rather have a 3 series or DC 300/Charger type car. Ford is now putting money into a midsize four door with RWD. The reason being, everyone does not want to drive a land yacht. Some ppl do not want to drive a small car with a big engine, something I would prefer. Everyone has opinions.


"Your thought process is as narrow as a virgin's vagina.....why not be more honest and say you are just a blind Chevrolet follower? You just happen to like more the Camaro than the Firebird wich is cool, we and a lot here could care less. Just stop with the senseless arguments. Whats you fear about a new Firebird??That it would look 10 times better than the Camaro?? They both sold well for a LOT of years so really whats your point?? You are making no sense....."

You Sir, are a moron. You made made two points in seven sentences (both unsubstantiated by even a modecium of evidence, thus giving credence to the wasteful American argument...).

i didnt read all the shit..but..i would be totally stoked if they brought back the ta..but im worried..im afraid they will fuck it up beyond belief and I would be totally let down..so ill wait..and watch....

:engarde: If they build it, it should be a Trans Am...not a new camaro with trans am cues. that would be the ultimate slap in the face. I agree with above....keep the camaro retro..make the trans am very modern and very mean!!! I dont want to see the camaro but with a 3rd gen looking firebird front end. That would be a slap in the face to the diehards that really care

I thought the GTO was on a 3 year plan? I didn't think they had anymore of a commitment then that with Holden. :confused:

"An your "3 car company" strategy is all wrong as well. If that were the case, when we were shopping for my wife's new car, we tried out the Trailblazer, the Envoy, the Saab 9-7x, the BMW X3/5, the Murano etc etc."

I cannot help that you like land yachts for your daily car. Some ppl such as I would rather have a 3 series or DC 300/Charger type car. Ford is now putting money into a midsize four door with RWD. The reason being, everyone does not want to drive a land yacht. Some ppl do not want to drive a small car with a big engine, something I would prefer. Everyone has opinions.


"Your thought process is as narrow as a virgin's vagina.....why not be more honest and say you are just a blind Chevrolet follower? You just happen to like more the Camaro than the Firebird wich is cool, we and a lot here could care less. Just stop with the senseless arguments. Whats you fear about a new Firebird??That it would look 10 times better than the Camaro?? They both sold well for a LOT of years so really whats your point?? You are making no sense....."

You Sir, are a moron. You made made two points in seven sentences (both unsubstantiated by even a modecium of evidence, thus giving credence to the wasteful American argument...).

I'm a moron?? You have 2,000 plus posts and still don't know how to use the "quote" function. I know, you were to busy looking in the dictionary for your cute words, right?......You just use cute little words for you opinions and try to pass them as facts....you sir are pathetic. And of course, they are my opinions, I wish I had the holy grail of knowledge you possess, oh you great automobile prophet!.... :eyes: :jest:

keep the camaro retro..make the trans am very modern and very mean!!!
It wouldnt sell enough to support the R&D. If you get a trans am its going to be a camaro with trans am cues, thats what its always been.

"oh you great automobile prophet"

Thank you.

And, a good vocabulary does not require a dictionary.

I'll believe it when I see it. And when I see it, it better not be retro.

That's all I have to say about that

"An your "3 car company" strategy is all wrong as well. If that were the case, when we were shopping for my wife's new car, we tried out the Trailblazer, the Envoy, the Saab 9-7x, the BMW X3/5, the Murano etc etc."

I cannot help that you like land yachts for your daily car. Some ppl such as I would rather have a 3 series or DC 300/Charger type car. Ford is now putting money into a midsize four door with RWD. The reason being, everyone does not want to drive a land yacht. Some ppl do not want to drive a small car with a big engine, something I would prefer. Everyone has opinions.


See, I guess you missed the point about it being my wife's car. The 9-7x isn't exactly a land yaht, but it's not a sports car either. We have a lot of beaten up back roads where we live and a mid size SUV works for her. She feels more comfortable in it, and just like the saying "a happy wife is a happy life" holds true.

I inherited her Explorer, but it will be replaced with a 325XI or an A4/6 in the near future because that's what I like, my wife on the other hand likes a larger vehicle, enough said.

You just missed my point that if GM didn't have the 9-7x, we would have gone with the X3/5 instead, and GM would have lost the sale all together.

"You just missed my point that if GM didn't have the 9-7x, we would have gone with the X3/5 instead, and GM would have lost the sale all together."

Point well taken. I was sleepy when I replied to you and it was a truly shity reply. I agree that GM could lose some sales if it whittles thing down. However, the only ones I think she be whittled down are Pontiac and Buick. That money really could be saved, especially with the shape GM is in. And, I truly do believe new Chevy products could fill the lost points rather well.

Having a TA and a Camaro is not as simple as slapping a badge on another car and throwing some interior in it and making a diffrent body. You have tons of issues with making it. You have to have tooling to build two diffrent cars, you have to market two cars, you have overhead for desinging and building two cars. GM needs to test the waters with the Camaro build up a lot of hype and get a lot of attention, release it then see how it does, and do the same for the TA if the Camaro sales. GM just got to big for its own shoes when it developed 10 different car lines.

I think everyone here needs to open there eyes and see what GM is seeing (through our eyes). Think about all of us here on the board that have f-bodies. Now think about how fast the miles are building up on them. Where do we go from here once our cars are on their lasts legs? Do we go to Pontiac and the GTO - No, we don't like it... Do we go to Chevy and the Corvette - No, we can't afford it. Well that leaves the new Mustang and the Challenger, so take your pick, which one do you want? "WHOAAAA!!!", says GM. "How bout we bring back the Camaro"? Well that got our attention didn't it! Now we are no longer seeking threads about the new Challenger, only the new Camaro. So now GM sees that we might be a little (just a little) dissapointed in the new styling of the Camaro and really grabs our attention with a rumor of a new Firebird! Now they've got us hooked, what Mustang? - what Challenger?... EXACTLY! GM needs our support and were not supporting them by arguing over which car to bring back - it doesn't matter which car you buy, all the sales will help the parent company -- GM.

I for one hope it happens ... and it will be successful if they would only listen to the customer base. Who wants a "potato on wheels" GTO body style ?

I'm a moron?? You have 2,000 plus posts and still don't know how to use the "quote" function. I know, you were to busy looking in the dictionary for your cute words, right?......You just use cute little words for you opinions and try to pass them as facts....you sir are pathetic. And of course, they are my opinions, I wish I had the holy grail of knowledge you possess, oh you great automobile prophet!.... :eyes: :jest:



LMFAO


This is hilarious.

Chaman I agree with your previous post but you do come off condescending and insulting.

Still, I am gonna keep some of your charming remarks for the future in case I need to rip someone a new A hole.


:)

A long, long time ago GM used to sell a GTO, Firebird, and Camaro. I guess it did well until the gas crunch. What's that phrase? History repeats itself....

You forgot the 442 olds, the Buick GS, Nova, Chevelle, Vette ect.

I have read this thread with interest and a little hope of a new T/A, although in England getting one could prove challenging!
But this thread started as WILL the T/A return and has turned into a war of WHY should it return. The factor that no-one has mentioned yet is the simple emotion of brand loyalty,which I think you Chevy guys can understand too. Let's be honest an F-body gathering wouldn't quite be the same if all the cars were identical, face it the Camaro and Firebird compliment each other so as to give a better choice to the buyer.