Automotive News, Media & Press - Ford GT 500 Offical HP Release

http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=22364

Nice numbers, it still looks like complete shit, but impressive numbers.

It looks like shit? You must have your GM blinder goggles on. That new Mustang is pretty nice, and is better than the 2007 Camaro. ;)

The old SVT Cobra was just a nice step ahead of the GT. This Shelby seems like a huge jump in performance, price, prestige, etc. from the regular GT. I wonder if they will come out with a Mach 1-type model to bridge the gap between the two.

I think it's a nice ride. It would be nice to see if they come out with a mach 1 kind of car as mentioned.

and is better than the 2007 Camaro. ;)
Care to elaborate?

There is no 07 Camaro! :bang:

That thing makes nice power!
I still can't stand the front end though.

NO TRANS AM OR CAMARO = New shelby mustang.At least we dont have to drive Civics!!!!

That mustang body style is beautiful. I was set on buying one for the longest time. I was even about to give in and get the v6 cause i could afford it better. I am glad i found a nice formula, but if i could piss away some money that cobra is nice. I would probably buy a vette though.

It still pisses me off that Shelby would let Ford plaster his name on something as pig heavy as this. Wasn't he the one that was reluctant to do the original 428 CJ powered GT500 in the first place because he wanted to stick to his original "lighter is better" formula. I remember him saying that the early stripper 289 GT-350s and GT-350Rs would always be his Favorite Shelby Mustang due to their purists driving characteristics. Well the '07 GT500, while a 475hp beast is a far cry from the original GT-350s formula. As much as I want to like the car 3850 as in 3850 lbs. just keeps sticking out in my head. And that's for the lighter coupe. Cars are just plain too damn heavy these days. As awesome as the GT-500 is, it's just too heavy for my tastes.

Its OK. Good power, but I still am not a huge fan of the styling.

its going to be a monster.

It looks like shit? You must have your GM blinder goggles on. That new Mustang is pretty nice, and is better than the 2007 Camaro. ;)
Umm, yep you are correct, and looks equally as :gay: as the Concept Camaro, with that retro crap on both of them. I'm not saying it's not nice, it can be nice and look like crap. and it has nothing to do with blinders. I'm one of the few without blinders on if that crap is popular. :(

Umm, yep you are correct, and looks equally as :gay: as the Concept Camaro, with that retro crap on both of them. I'm not saying it's not nice, it can be nice and look like crap. and it has nothing to do with blinders. I'm one of the few without blinders on if that crap is popular. :(

Yes, and your Pontiac is the pinnacle of automotive design. :jest:

No, different strokes for different folks, I just would rather walk than drive a GT 500 or the new Camaro, or anything else reminicent of the PT Cruiser era of Retro cars. If that's what you want to drive, go for it. As long as that's not the only sports car being made, I won't be in one. Actually even if it is, I'd probably find something else to drive. Nothing wrong with having an opinion. :)

It still pisses me off that Shelby would let Ford plaster his name on something as pig heavy as this. Wasn't he the one that was reluctant to do the original 428 CJ powered GT500 in the first place because he wanted to stick to his original "lighter is better" formula. I remember him saying that the early stripper 289 GT-350s and GT-350Rs would always be his Favorite Shelby Mustang due to their purists driving characteristics. Well the '07 GT500, while a 475hp beast is a far cry from the original GT-350s formula. As much as I want to like the car 3850 as in 3850 lbs. just keeps sticking out in my head. And that's for the lighter coupe. Cars are just plain too damn heavy these days. As awesome as the GT-500 is, it's just too heavy for my tastes.
the reason ford can use the gt500 monicre is because ford bought out shelby in the 60's

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. :)
There is when its wrong. The camaro has retro CUES. The mustang is way more retro. And the Dodge challenger, well its the same damn car.

look at these pics and tell me it's retro... the concept looks like it's about to eat the '69...

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/camaro.concept/in.studio.1.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/camaro.concept/in.studio.2.500.jpg


Scott says you have to see it in person before you can say it's retro (Scott Settlemire that is...)

Are you serious? It's a dead lowered copy....RETRO.

Are you serious? It's a dead lowered copy....RETRO.

Um..the 5th and 6th windows, and the rear quarters are pretty much the only part that is similar at all between the two

the reason ford can use the gt500 monicre is because ford bought out shelby in the 60's

That has to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Considering that the Shelby name was applied to numerous Chrysler products throughout the 80s what you just said is obviously bullshit. Ford never bought out Shelby-American so I don't know what you're babbling about.

What I'm griping about is how Shelby can stand there and BS us and tell us that he admires the new GT500 when it's close to 4000 lbs. when he himself once said that "lighter is better" is the way to go over all out power. Obviously he's letting Ford put his name on the GT500 for recognition and publicity. The formula for today's GT500 is a far cry from the original formula that gave birth to the ''65 GT-350.

I really like the car, but it is too heavy and has a blower. A 400 HP 5.4 litre DOHC sans blower would be more my taste. Slap a Boss or Mach1 Badge on it and I think it would be sweet.

GT=SOHC 4.6
Mach1=DOHC 4.6
Boss=DOHC 5.4
Cobra=DOHC SC 5.4

That car is going to scream! I wonder how it will compare to the stock C6s in a 1/4 mile drag comparison? I did read real close, but missed the weight of the car?! I'm sure the vette will win because its lighter/ more aerodynamic, but i am impressed how much power they gave that car! Nice job Shelby team! May Ford continue to walk on GM........... Get the damn Camaro in production already.. And yes put the LS7 in it, or flop the hell out of the mid-range sports car market for good! The GTO will still be here, but... Its no Camaro. Just my .02

In terms of styling I like the new shelby, but I think the 04-04 cobras looked a little more aggressive than this new shelby. Not sure which one I would pick if given the choice. I like the styling of the older ones better, but the 5.4L is probably going to make 650 rwhp or more when sombody straps a KB on it.

Any news on pricing of this new shelby? I heard rumors it would $40k.

Any news on pricing of this new shelby? I heard rumors it would $40k.
Thats about right.

The new Mustang's style gets uglier and more "been there done that" every single time I see one. This new GT500 is no exception. It's ugly.

The damn front end looks like the thing is pouting. :cry:

i was beginning to think i was the only one who didn't see the camaro as being a very modern car, with certain conservatively applied retro cues......

that being said,i have a hard time understanding why there is all this retro backlash.....good lines are timeless.......to each their own i suppose

i can see the frustration in modern muscle weighing so much, but i'm sure part of shelby's issue was with the fact that back in the day, a car weighing 3800 pounds didn't handle worth jack........nowadays the handling on the big srt-8s, and the gt500, with irs, 4 wheel disc, better rubber, ect., is very good......if you want the gt500 weighing in at around 3200 lbs like a z06 or a viper, you'd have to double the price

That GT500 looks NICE...I kinda want one.

Are you serious? It's a dead lowered copy....RETRO.

Whoa, lay down the crack pipe... Exhale the smoke... Open your eyes. Now, it must be apparent that it is not a "dead lowered copy." It has retro cues, yes, but it no where near copies the past like mustang or challenger. The challenger actually doing a good job of copying, mustang looks like a hopped up matchbox car.

475hp hahaa

Whoa, lay down the crack pipe... Exhale the smoke... Open your eyes. Now, it must be apparent that it is not a "dead lowered copy." It has retro cues, yes, but it no where near copies the past like mustang or challenger. The challenger actually doing a good job of copying, mustang looks like a hopped up matchbox car.
Ooooh now I see it....:eyes: Why is so hard for people to accept not everyone is going to like certain cars? If everyone likes it great! Go buy it, neither one is for me, there are other cars I like just not these, I'm not trying to convince you either one looks like crap; I was just stating my opinion. :eek2:

3900lbs.

Thats what keeps me form wanting one.

I dont think its going to be much, if any, quicker than the 03/04 cobras. Ill still either be buying a used C6, used 03/04 cobra, or new camaro when they come out. Id rather have a heads/cam LS2 camaro over that larded up GT500 any day. Also if you look at motor pictures of the new M122 blower, there isnt going to be much, if any room for s smaller pully as the nose of the blower is almost touching the upper pully. I dont doubt theyll be quick, but i bet itd be a good race with a stock C6...

LS2 vettes are making 380-390 with just bolt ons, with heads and a decent cam theyll be cracking 500. That and only 3150lbs = death for a 650rwhp 3900lb cobra. They may have done it already, i havent been paying attention lately......

Ooooh now I see it....:eyes: Why is so hard for people to accept not everyone is going to like certain cars? If everyone likes it great! Go buy it, neither one is for me, there are other cars I like just not these, I'm not trying to convince you either one looks like crap; I was just stating my opinion. :eek2:


Don't be ignorant. I only want you to see it's not retro. I don't give two shits whether u like it or not... Also, you're on an F-body board, expect people to hassle you when you don't like an F-body...

Just for future reference, I like Fbodies, but that car will be a sigma, not an Fbody. That's like telling someone they don't see something in a painting man, sure you see one thing, well I see another, and I'm not alone there are more people that see the old Camaro in the concept.

That has to be the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Considering that the Shelby name was applied to numerous Chrysler products throughout the 80s what you just said is obviously bullshit. Ford never bought out Shelby-American so I don't know what you're babbling about.

What I'm griping about is how Shelby can stand there and BS us and tell us that he admires the new GT500 when it's close to 4000 lbs. when he himself once said that "lighter is better" is the way to go over all out power. Obviously he's letting Ford put his name on the GT500 for recognition and publicity. The formula for today's GT500 is a far cry from the original formula that gave birth to the ''65 GT-350.
if im wrong, im wrong, and sorry for the misinformation because thats what i learned from a diehard ford guy. guess he was wrong.. oops..

Is there anyone Adibar or one of you can take the pics that Adibar posted and turn them into wallpaper? That would be some cool wallpaper!!!

Here's my 2 cents...

I like the GT500 quite a bit. The styling cues are nice and the interior is worlds
better than any previous Mustang. It's actually very comfortable.

The weight of the vehicle is going to be it's downfall. It's roughly 3,920lbs for
the coupe. That's completely unacceptable to me and it's a deal breaker.
I wouldn't even entertain the idea of purchasing one as a result.

The 5.4L 4V is going to make a ton of power with that M122H (hybrid) blower
even in stock trim. Minor bolt ons should put it well over 500rwhp. The problem
is that people are going to hit the mod wall because there is no way to run a
small diameter blower pulley or even run a larger lower crank pulley. I'm sure
the aftermarket will find a way around that issue. Whipple and KB definitely will
design a blower for it.

Ford did the right thing by leaving the Mustang GT's 3 link rear end in the GT500.
The '03/'04 IRS was a complete debacle on their part. Of course, guys like me
were able to work with it and make it last. It was still a horrible design. Bonus points
for having a solid axle. Fitting a nice meaty tire out back shouldn't be an issue.

In Summary

Appearance

Very nice. However, the front end could use some work. The wheels are sized
nicely, but the styling is nothing special IMO. Still, it's aggressive looking
and will command attention.

Power

It might be difficult to modify initially, but making big power should be relatively easy.
The Ford GT heads are outstanding and the GT500 definitely will benefit from having
them. The new M122H blower is supposed to be 15% more efficient than the M112
blower that the '03/'04 Cobras have...and we all know what they can do.

Suspension & Traction

Ford did good here IMO. Upgrade to 31 splines out back, invest in tires and a clutch
and it should get out of the hole pretty well. Curb weight definitely is not going to
help launching though.

MSRP

Price is going to be way up there. It's not cheap producing a car like this. Dealer
mark up is going to be ridiculous too. Only a true Mustang enthusiast would buy
this vehicle IMO. For the price, you'd might as well pick up a C6.

"Minor bolt ons should put it well over 500rwhp. The problem
is that people are going to hit the mod wall because there is no way to run a
small diameter blower pulley or even run a larger lower crank pulley."

Unit, is there anyway you can post a pic showing what you meant by the above statement. I am clueless. Thanks!!!

My cousin is 22nd on a waiting list for one of these.....I doubt he will be getting one at #22

The weight of the vehicle is going to be it's downfall. It's roughly 3,920lbs for
the coupe. That's completely unacceptable to me and it's a deal breaker.
I wouldn't even entertain the idea of purchasing one as a result.

This is my main beef with all the new muscle cars also. It's the sole reason why I'd have no interest in attaining any one of these cars.

Hell, even with the Japo cars, the new Mitsu Sheclipse weighs nearly 3600 lbs... and weren't "tuners" the ones to give us shit about having cars that weighed as much as a ship? Well their argument just went out the window.

I know safety regulations are getting more stern, and people are wanting all this stupid computer bullshit with their cars, all of which drive up the weight, but Jesus c'mon, this is getting ridiculous.

Hell, and people complained about the new GTO weighing over 3700 lbs... that thing should be considered a light-weight compared to all the new BS coming out weighing as much as a friggin' loaded sedan.

I swear the only sportscar that has it right as far as weight should be, is the Vette.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/il/features/general/camaro.concept/in.studio.2.500.jpg

That looks like the number 38 ZL1? I did some work on that car in 2002.

Keep in mind the Camaro concept is in a rough unrefined state unlike the Challenger or Mustang. I see much more potential in the Camaro design, check out the multimedia exchange section on this site for some different looks on the car. I think GM is on the right track, just needs some slight refinement.

The 5.4L 4V is going to make a ton of power with that M122H (hybrid) blower even in stock trim. Minor bolt ons should put it well over 500rwhp. The problem is that people are going to hit the mod wall because there is no way to run a small diameter blower pulley or even run a larger lower crank pulley. I'm sure the aftermarket will find a way around that issue. Whipple and KB definitely will design a blower for it.

What about a turbo system? I'd imagine a custom single turbo set-up on one of these engines could produce a ridiculous amount of power.

How much power are the faster 03/04 cobras putting down with single turbo set-ups? And are KB and other sc set-ups comparable to the turbo set-ups, or is it more like the LSx world where the biggest power kings are all running turbos?

I think the GT 500 looks nice. That particular car (red w/ white stripes) isn't a great color combo in my opinion. I'd want a solid color car, or a black one with dark charcoal stripes.

nice car but i like the 03 04 cobras better but bottom line for $40 k i'd rather spend a lil more and get a c6 hands down.

I think its funny they need to throw a blower on theirs to finally cach up to our N/A cars.Fords are always slow in comparison.Yes I have my GM blinders on!

I think its funny they need to throw a blower on theirs to finally cach up to our N/A cars.Fords are always slow in comparison.Yes I have my GM blinders on!

Call me biased, the Camaro has generally allways been a better handling, more powerful, better built example of a muscle car than the Mustang.
Yes, I have worked on or driven the best that both have to offer from the 66 GT350S to the #38 ZL1 to present.

3900lbs.

Thats what keeps me form wanting one. ...


Unfortunately, I agree. I think the GT500 looks great, and will probably be easy to get more HP out of it once the tuners solve a few issues. But 3900 lbs is a PIG. In fact, I would not be surprised if the real final numbers are around 4000 lbs. This makes it too much like the SRT8 stuff - great engines and looking cars, but much too heavy.

I hope the new Camaro does not end up this heavy. But the trends are not good ...