Automotive News, Media & Press - Z06 Look Out: Porsche To Unleash The 997 Turbo @ Geneva

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/02/13/porsche-launches-new-911-turbo-in-geneva/

What a sexy beast this thing is. Porsche is likely to show both the 911 Turbo with it's innovative VTG (Variable Turbing Technology) technology which allows the angle of the turbochargers compressor blades to continually adjust. This will allow the car to take advantage both small and large turbos to maximize acceleration, driveability and reduce lag. The car is set to be rated at 480hp (up 60 from the standard 911 Turbo, and up 30 from the X50 performance upgrade equipped cars). Looks like the stage is set for another Z06 vs. 911 Turbo comparison. While the Z06 is no doubt the deal of the century, the two cars match up quite well performance wise. We'll see if the Porsches AWD provides the car with an edge over the Super Vette.

Other slightly tamer more pure 911esque competition for the Corvette will debut in the form of the naturally aspirated 911 GT3 that's apparently slated to crank out 415hp (up from 380 in the 996 car and just 5hp shy of the 996 Turbos hp rating). Both cars continue to use a traditional 6 speed clutch and stick while other manufacturers adopt SMs and AMs with a torque converter Tiptronic as an option. Judging by how hot both of these rides are, I'm anxious to see what Porsche is cooking up in terms of the RWD Turbocharged 997 GT2.





997 Turbo

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/911turbof3-4.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/911turbor3-4.jpg



997 GT3

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=253377&page=2&pp=15


http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/Porsche-911-GT3-profile-resized.jpg

http://www.autoblog.com/media/2006/02/porsche-911-GT3-rear-resized.jpg

That thing looks awesome. Love it!

You could get 2 Z06s for that price.

Or 5 or 6 Camry's. :eyes:

Supercharge and tighten the Z06. (Anyone thinking Blue Devil?) :confused:

SC does not a road racer make. NA LS7 and then you are talking. Two really sweet cars.

I was looking at this the other day. While a zo6 may be faster the porsche's are pretty damn impressive. The 996 is still a sweet car, nice to see a successor. It may cost but something about those cars just makes them damn sexy. inside and out. I would expect mid 3 sec zero to 60 times with not a lot of work.

You could get 2 Z06s for that price.

GTFO. :eyes:

Let me guess let me guess. With the money for a 911 Turbo, you could order a host of mods for your awesome Camaro and smoke this thing right? That's what you're going to say next isn't it? Isn't it? C'mon just say it. :eyes:

Some people just don't get it. A true car enthusiasts nods and acknowledges greatness when he or she sees it. A fanboy bitches about how his dream car costs less or makes more hp/l or makes more torque or blah blah.

GTFO. :eyes:

A true car enthusiasts nods and acknowledges greatness when he or she sees it. A fanboy bitches about how his dream car costs less or makes more hp/l or makes more torque or blah blah.

Amen brotha, once again, Run Wha Cha Brung! Period!

Porsche always does it right....Their cars are always look different than any other manufacturer, a lot of their cars in their line look a like, but their look is original. I think there are 2 kinds of enthusiast. There are design enthusaist and then performance. They look at the Porsche totally different depending on what they are after, I think it is a great car and would love to have one, but if I am trying to go as fast and cheap as I can there are other cars that I would get.

PORSCHE!!!! :drool: lol yeeeah if yall havnt noticed me running around the site then ya'll know how i am when anyone mentions the name PORSCHE!!!!! :drool: omfg i love PORSCHES!!!!! :drool:

lol yeah have to scream the name when you say it!!

I got flamed pretty bad on here once for saying I'd take a porsche over a Z06. Other way around in this thread :)

I got flamed pretty bad on here once for saying I'd take a porsche over a Z06. Other way around in this thread :)
If you got flamed for saying that then they got some growing up to do. If youd rather have a 911 Turbo thats your choice and your opinion. And people should have more respect for other peoples opinions wether they agree with them or not.

If you got flamed for saying that then they got some growing up to do. If youd rather have a 911 Turbo thats your choice and your opinion. And people should have more respect for other peoples opinions wether they agree with them or not.

BIG TIME :werd:

Porsche owns all. There is no better sports car.

Porsche owns all. There is no better sports car.
i dont know about all that.

If you got flamed for saying that then they got some growing up to do. If youd rather have a 911 Turbo thats your choice and your opinion. And people should have more respect for other peoples opinions wether they agree with them or not.

It was a thread about some one who had a buddy that was looking at either a porsche or z06(both used I think) and people were posting their opinions.

I'd definately take a 997 Turbo over the C6 Z06, if I were in a position to do so. Unfortunately for me, I'm not.

Porsche owns all. There is no better sports car.

That can certainly be debated. :)

:engarde: That depends on what you are judging that on. The C5 Zo6 would post better lap times than a 996 turbo and I expect the outcome to be the same on the newer versions. But when it comes to "feel",the edge would have to go to the Porsche.Not taking anything away from the Porsche though, it is a beautiful car and immensely capable, probably more so in the hands of the average driver, although there are very few of us that would admit to being "average" drivers. Everything that I have read about the new Zo6 says that it really takes an expert to extract the full capabilities of the car. This is coming from what I have read, God knows that I am not lucky enough to have driven either. Personally I prefer the Vette, but if I had the money I would own .... BOTH!!

I could do without the ricer style wing. Other than that, looks like a refresh of the 996. Porsche is nice, and I'd take one over Ferarri any day of the week (I think the build quality is 10xs better), but Porsche lost a little meaning when they went to the new liquid cooled motors. Granted, it's a great piece, looks nice, and hey, I'd take it if given to me, but, there is something about them that still make them my "other" sports car and not "MY" sports car. JMHO.

The 996T and 997T car look so much alike its not even funny. I really liked the 996 turbo it was a great looking car but the Z06 maybe faster then the 997 because it does have more horse and the 997 is probably gonna be a pig. Dont qoute me but I think the 996 weighed somewhere around 3500 Im sure some one knows better then me but the Z06 is lighter and more horsepower. The only thing that could possably help is the awd but I dont really know im not big into porshces.

For people who think the two cars dont look simmilar look at this
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6615/9978dv.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6056/9960tu.jpg

What is this blue devil shit I've never heard of it before is it supposed to be a production model?

As for the porshe I love it brings back the old times when I was younger......way younger and playing with the matchbox car of the 996 and remaking car race scenes *sigh* good times, good times

The 996T and 997T car look so much alike its not even funny. I really liked the 996 turbo it was a great looking car but the Z06 maybe faster then the 997 because it does have more horse and the 997 is probably gonna be a pig. Dont qoute me but I think the 996 weighed somewhere around 3500 Im sure some one knows better then me but the Z06 is lighter and more horsepower. The only thing that could possably help is the awd but I dont really know im not big into porshces.

For people who think the two cars dont look simmilar look at this
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6615/9978dv.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6056/9960tu.jpg

Hello, welcome to Earth. Here on Earth, everything Porsche makes looks similar to everything Porsche makes. :thumb:

:engarde: That depends on what you are judging that on. The C5 Zo6 would post better lap times than a 996 turbo and I expect the outcome to be the same on the newer versions. But when it comes to "feel",the edge would have to go to the Porsche.Not taking anything away from the Porsche though, it is a beautiful car and immensely capable, probably more so in the hands of the average driver, although there are very few of us that would admit to being "average" drivers. Everything that I have read about the new Zo6 says that it really takes an expert to extract the full capabilities of the car. This is coming from what I have read, God knows that I am not lucky enough to have driven either. Personally I prefer the Vette, but if I had the money I would own .... BOTH!!

i've been reading this since the C5 and 996 were first compared. having driven both i would definitaly aggree. but i would still prefer a vet. the powerband is soo much better and is overall more fun than a porsche in my opinion. however with the little seat time i had in a new 997, i can say that it is much improved over the 996.

That can certainly be debated. :)

If we put a list together of all the qualities a sports car must have and some qualities it should have then judge some sports cars, the Porsche will always come out on top. Sure we have our favorites, but the Porsche has always been and always will be the one car that can do it all and do it all well.

e.g. How well is a new Z06 going to do in bad weather against an AWD Porsche.

Changing turbo blade angles while spinning sounds very complex. Like to know how that works. How reliable would a system like that be? Sounds like a lot of parts in that turbo.

disiels have had that technology for a while, porsche's are the first that are goin to put that into production on a gas vehicle

If we put a list together of all the qualities a sports car must have and some qualities it should have then judge some sports cars, the Porsche will always come out on top. Sure we have our favorites, but the Porsche has always been and always will be the one car that can do it all and do it all well.

e.g. How well is a new Z06 going to do in bad weather against an AWD Porsche.

LOL, we can buy a daily driver w/ the extra cash ;) :jest: :jest:


Anyways... That Porsche is sexy

If we put a list together of all the qualities a sports car must have and some qualities it should have then judge some sports cars, the Porsche will always come out on top. Sure we have our favorites, but the Porsche has always been and always will be the one car that can do it all and do it all well.

e.g. How well is a new Z06 going to do in bad weather against an AWD Porsche.
Exactly what are those qualities? The reason I ask is the Mazda Miata is considered one of the greatest "sports cars" ever made by the automotive media. To ME, the most important quality of a sports car is to go fast, very fast, on the street, legally. Both of these cars meet this exeptionally well, only the Vette does it better. My opinion is that they are not sports cars, but "supercars", which would place more of an emphasis on speed. As far as build quality goes, both cars are light years ahead of where they were 10 years ago. I agree the Porsche is probably better but, it damn well should be considering how much it costs. But having said that, I respect your opinion and I think we could just agree to disagree about which one is the better car.

disiels have had that technology for a while, porsche's are the first that are goin to put that into production on a gas vehicle
Where'd you hear that? Dodge shadows had it in 89 and certain daytonas had it 90. They call it VNT, Variable Nozzle Turbo... It is certainly not new technology to say the least.

How well is a new Z06 going to do in bad weather against an AWD Porsche.[/QUOTE]

Its f*cking idiotic to be racing in bad weather anyway! :stupid:
I have a AWD Twin Turbo car and i bet anyone it could f*ck with a 911 turbo in bad weather but WHY? :loco:

Its f*cking idiotic to be racing in bad weather anyway! :stupid:
I have a AWD Twin Turbo car and i bet anyone it could f*ck with a 911 turbo in bad weather but WHY? :loco:[/QUOTE]
He doesnt mean in a race. He means as a daily driver.

Ok even so,the kind of people that have these cars dont have them for daily drivers so i dont think that should even be considered. Theyre supercars!

Why drop the comparo in lieu of supercar status? Porsche has always maintained their cars are daily drivers. Nevertheless...like I stated earlier we all have our favorites.


The Vette is superior, and has always been, to a Porsche in one particular aspect: significantly easier to work on. :)

To me both cars cost tremendously too much. :eek2: I love both of them but would never pay for either unless i won the lotto. And if that happens you guys will be hearing about it cause id be buying up cars left and right! Anyway if i had to choose regardless of price ill take the 911 Turbo just because not many people have them around here. A lot of boxters,barley any 911s, and no 911 turbos as far as ive seen. There are a number of c6 zo6s around here already. Matter of fact im trying to set up a race with my friends dads c6 zo6 as we speak but he saw me run at the track and he wont run me. I think it would be a good race with my ws6. :engarde: I told him id run him in my vr4 stoplight to stoplight! :devil: I think he knows better than to try that! If i ever get him to run either ill be sure to get it on video!

Price aside...neither of these cars would be in my garage. Instead there'd be a shiny new DB9. :)

Where'd you hear that? Dodge shadows had it in 89 and certain daytonas had it 90. They call it VNT, Variable Nozzle Turbo... It is certainly not new technology to say the least.
The difference is that I think the turbine blade angles change, instead of the flow around them. I don't know if (this is the company's name, don't take it the wrong way anyone :jest:) KKK has a website, but you might want to read www.holset.co.uk in order to find out more about diesel VGT stuff. Pretty cool, and only getting better.

Price aside...neither of these cars would be in my garage. Instead there'd be a shiny new DB9. :)

http://www.rit.edu/~jaa0311/random/clarkson.PNG

:drool: Yeah, the Z06 is probably quicker... the porsche will probably outweigh it and have slightly less hp. Wonder if they are gonna come out with a 997 GT2. Haha, the turbo always gets frowned upon by porsche purists because of the optional tiptronic transmission and the traction control aids, etc. Still wouldn't mind having one though :)

In an overall comparison, I'd bet good money that the vette loses to the turbo everytime. Build quality of the vette is just not as good(as should be expected with the price difference), not to take anything away from the vette(still one baddass mofo).

I dont like that all porches look the same.

The difference is that I think the turbine blade angles change, instead of the flow around them. I don't know if (this is the company's name, don't take it the wrong way anyone :jest:) KKK has a website, but you might want to read www.holset.co.uk in order to find out more about diesel VGT stuff. Pretty cool, and only getting better.

Yes the blade angles change similar to how a variable displacement AC compressor works (functionally, not technically). They spool up faster which means you can use a larger turbo and get a broader power curve as well.

Porsche owns all. There is no better sports car.
Ask the guy in the 2003 911 Turbo who, after being whooped 3 times by my g/f's lowly Camaro, said his car was for sale. He wasn't feeling his Porsche was the king of the street that night :lol:

Everyone thinks the car they like is the best -- its called personal preference. If you feel Porsche is the ultimate car, then good for you. If you like another car, good for you too. Its the RANGE of enthusiasts and desires that keeps our sport/hobby/addiction alive and well :thumb:

lol i dont think her car is lowly modded!!

Both trash give me a yugo beyotches!

I personally dont like the look of the Porsches at all. I never have and I really dislike that they all look alike. I would also never choose to buy one, i think there are too many other cars that are far better looking and with more performance. In my opinion it is all about the Viper, C6 ZO6, Ford GT, and Mosler Photon. Other than the S7 I cant think of a single car i like the looks of more. While some of the Porsches are great performers, i dont see them beating the C6 ZO6, except for the Porsche GT ofcourse. And lets not forget last I heard the Corvette SS is going to be built.

i wonder if this is going to turn into a apples and oranges battle where someone says that the porsche's have tiny litre motors like 3.6 or something like that vs. a corvetes 6.0 litre motor (kinda like the cobra vs camaro's, cobra having a supercharger, and the camaro having a bigger motor...)

I dont think the engine size, or n/a vs FI comparison is even worth having. Those are the engines that the manufacturers selected for there vehicles. The differences between them are that some have more moddability in them, some are detuned, and some come from the factory nearly tapped out on power. But again its what was chosen and it was chosen for a reason. The comparison should be stock vs stock and price for stock vs stock.

Ask the guy in the 2003 911 Turbo who, after being whooped 3 times by my g/f's lowly Camaro, said his car was for sale. He wasn't feeling his Porsche was the king of the street that night :lol:

Everyone thinks the car they like is the best -- its called personal preference. If you feel Porsche is the ultimate car, then good for you. If you like another car, good for you too. Its the RANGE of enthusiasts and desires that keeps our sport/hobby/addiction alive and well :thumb:

If that guy bought a Porsche because he wanted to street race, he definitely should sell it. Now I'm guessing your girl's car doesn't make sharp turns very well. Hence the well rounded comments I made earlier.

Hell, there's always something faster especially something that's modified. :rolleyes:

i love both cars, but if it came right down to me getting either one for free, i would take the porsche..its too sexy