2010 Camaro - So the '09 Camaro with the 6.2 should be pretty quick...

I was just reading my new Motor Trend and the new Escalade w/ the L92 ran a 14.9 @ 94 weighing in at 5770 lbs. Applying the old "100 lbs equals .1 and 1 mph in the 1/4" theory, a Camaro weighing in at ~2300 lbs less should run a 12.6 @ 117! If that estimation is anywhere near accurate, then the 5th gen should run a little better than a C6 Vette.

They also tested the GT500 to run a 12.6 @ 116 I believe.

There's another thread about the GT500 and it looks like car and driver got a dud.

Looks like I'm not the only one who thinks the 100lbs equals 1mph. :)

If the camaro weighs 34xx, that time may be a possibility.

GM better keep that weight to 3350-3400 lbs. In 2006 we deserve a little diet. If the Vette gets it I think the Maro deserves it as well!!!

W

My Z28 was about 3385 without me, not too bad there.
If they are gonna give the camaro less weight, 3200-3300 would be ideal.

I am kind of sad I wont be getting an LSx motor in the new Camaro, I don't know how I feel about that. I say stick DOD where the sun don't shine and I will just get bad gas mileage.

Bet ya $1 that the new Camaro weighs at least 3,800lbs... *cry*

3800!! I hope not :cry:

Bet ya $1 that the new Camaro weighs at least 3,800lbs... *cry*
I'll take that bet...got paypal? :)

I'll take that bet...got paypal? :)

No I dont, but remind me in 09 :)

Its just the way things are gonning these days, all the safty equitment and refinement weighs alot.

Case in point, Shelby GT500- 3,994lbs

Face it, the days of lightwight rattletrap cars are gone, these days everyone wants A/C, power everything, 82 airbags, sound-deading by the acre...

And with a low base price they wont be able to use the advanced weight-saveing techniques they used in the C6/C6-ZO6

Shit I'll bet $100 it weighs 3800+ in street trim (as in as delivered).

Bet ya $1 that the new Camaro weighs at least 3,800lbs... *cry*

impossible. The GTO doesn't even weigh that much, and the chassis for the camaro is smaller.

only thing i don't like about this new 'maro are the IRS and the gay ass rear exhaust ports.

Hopefully it will come in at 3600lbs due to that dead body of a muffler they usually put on. :lol:

Yeah id take the camaro with the same LS1 it has now if they make it a few hundered pounds lighter. Its easy to make a motor more powerfull, its hard to take off a few hundered pounds on a daily driver.

Hopefully it will come in at 3600lbs due to that dead body of a muffler they usually put on. :lol:

hope it's dual 1500 mufflers! ;)

I am kind of sad I wont be getting an LSx motor in the new Camaro, I don't know how I feel about that. I say stick DOD where the sun don't shine and I will just get bad gas mileage.

The newer truck motors denoted as L92 and so forth are still on the LS series architecture.

I'll tell you one thing at 3000 lb the 06 zo6 is a car in its self now. Its a ac cobra of the millenium . Its incredible and thats all i have ta say about that.

target weight is 3600lbs. Its heavy due to all the latest safety regulations. Same with GT500 except its block is heavier. If they opt for the ls7 option itll likely be 1 or 2 hundred lbs lighter due to the block. I'd expect the 400hp maro to run anywhere from a 12.6-13 flat. Itll likely do a 12.5 with good driver considering its about the same weight/power as a 03/04 cobra which ran mid 12s all day.

How funny, one must get better MPG per federal regs...but you have to have all of this safety shit as well.

I do not think the LS7 and the LS2 are all that far away in weight...correct me if I am wrong...

W

target weight is 3600lbs. Its heavy due to all the latest safety regulations. Same with GT500 except its block is heavier. If they opt for the ls7 option itll likely be 1 or 2 hundred lbs lighter due to the block. I'd expect the 400hp maro to run anywhere from a 12.6-13 flat. Itll likely do a 12.5 with good driver considering its about the same weight/power as a 03/04 cobra which ran mid 12s all day.


it will weigh 1-200 lighter due to an ls7 block?? :jest: thats funny.

and since when do ls1's get bad gas mileage? :eyes:

When I was at the Detroit auto show in January I asked one of the engineers standing in the Camaro display what will the weight of the production car be and he said "around 3600-lbs". Also, according to the new GMHTP they said GM is still debating between the IRS rear suspension and a live axle. So, there is a possibility it may be a decent weight. But only time will tell.

it will weigh 1-200 lighter due to an ls7 block?? thats funny.
Im referring to a aluminum block vs iron of the mustang. figuring an LS7 "package" is likely to weigh a few hundred less with all things considered.

The real world weight of the GTO is about 3,900lbs. If you don't believe me check Road and Track's data panel on the 2004 model.

I don't believe the same 6.2 in the Escalade will end up in the Camaro if the 6.2 rumor is true. The 6.2 from the Escalade was not based on the LSx engines, and should stay more exclusive to the SUVs like the Denali and the EXT Escalade. NOT in the Camaro.

But I could be completely wrong. Please set me straight if I am, I don't want to spread misinformation :)

I agree. I think a LSx based engine would definatly work better considering the aftermarket already established from the last 10 years for the LSx engines.

I don't believe the same 6.2 in the Escalade will end up in the Camaro if the 6.2 rumor is true. The 6.2 from the Escalade was not based on the LSx engines, and should stay more exclusive to the SUVs like the Denali and the EXT Escalade. NOT in the Camaro.

But I could be completely wrong. Please set me straight if I am, I don't want to spread misinformation :)

The 6.2 is a Gen III/IV motor, but has a LS7 "style" head. I do believe there is a separate part number for those heads vs. the LS7 heads.

I'd like to see the 6.2 in the Camaro since it would have terrific potential yet more probable from GM since they can keep the LS7 Vette (and CTS?) specific.

Then again GM needs to build the damn car first before we can put any engine in there. And I have a hunch GM is going to let down many F-body enthusiasts.

A) L92 = LSx architecture
B) Camaro = 3800lbs or more
C) GTO = 3800lbs or more
D) Camaro will look different
E) GM will neuter it or over price it
F) NO LS7 will ever be in a Camaro, the LS7 goes away in a few years anyway

A) L92 = LSx architecture
B) Camaro = 3800lbs or more
C) GTO = 3800lbs or more
D) Camaro will look different
Right!


E) GM will neuter it or over price it
F) NO LS7 will ever be in a Camaro, the LS7 goes away in a few years anyway
and oh so WRONG!




Why is everyone forgetting that EVERYONE, and by everyone i meant enthusiasts, media, and average joe buying public alike, all said that Luz could not pull off the Saturn/Sky. They said no way does GM make a two seater with a decent interior, reasonably powered, and priced under 20,000. They used all the same old arguments, the bean counters will overide everything, they will overprice it, or it will just flat flop like the SSR did. Well guess what, everybody was WRONG! I said it would be awhile before i was on GMs side again, well im there and it was quicker than i thought. Although im not saying they dont have a long row to hoe.

Obviously the car will look a little different. They aren't going to have 21's and 22's on the actual car... But other than the mirrors and the interior.. I don't believe a whole lot will be changed.

The overpriced thing... depends on the dealers. It will be priced right from GM, but the bad dealers may put a halt on that.

Right!


and oh so WRONG!




Why is everyone forgetting that EVERYONE, and by everyone i meant enthusiasts, media, and average joe buying public alike, all said that Luz could not pull off the Saturn/Sky. They said no way does GM make a two seater with a decent interior, reasonably powered, and priced under 20,000. They used all the same old arguments, the bean counters will overide everything, they will overprice it, or it will just flat flop like the SSR did. Well guess what, everybody was WRONG! I said it would be awhile before i was on GMs side again, well im there and it was quicker than i thought. Although im not saying they dont have a long row to hoe.


You are basing what will happen with the Camaro on the Sky? Its a different market and the power/price of each car is not even in the same league. I think GM is going in the right direction, but forgive me if I don't trust them.

You are basing what will happen with the Camaro on the Sky?
Yes, yes i am.

5970 lb escalade (accounting for 200 lb driver) trapping 94 mph says 387 rwhp.
a 4000 lb camaro (with 200 lb driver) making 387 rwhp using the same calculator says 12.68 @ 107.4. take away 200 lbs for the 3600 lb camaro figure and it says 12.47 @ 109.2.

http://car.race-cars.net/calculators/et_calculator.html

I wouldn't trust the calcs but they're probably not TOO far off.


and in all honesty do you really think lutz will allow the camaro to take 2nd place to the mustang? I can't begin to imagine what will be done to make sure this problem never happens but rest assured something will be done.

and in all honesty do you really think lutz will allow the camaro to take 2nd place to the mustang? I can't begin to imagine what will be done to make sure this problem never happens but rest assured something will be done.
:werd:
Finally some common sense about the new maro.

and in all honesty do you really think lutz will allow the camaro to take 2nd place to the mustang? I can't begin to imagine what will be done to make sure this problem never happens but rest assured something will be done.he's letting GM take second place to Toyota... :bang:

pst! the new camaro will have an LS7 :lurk:

he's letting GM take second place to Toyota... :bang:
no, the people before him let that happen. he is trying to change it. it takes time to turn a giant like GM around. beancounters can also take some blame.

if bob lutz had his way just about every car in GM's lineup would be exciting, original, and affordable. unfortunately, as we all know, things just can't work out that way.

my only worry is his age. how much longer can he last? GM needs more people like him now and definitely in the future.


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GM isn't second place to toyota. last I heard they were still #1.

he's letting GM take second place to Toyota... :bang:

Yea, that Scion tC and Toyota Solara sure are a real threat to GM :eyes:

GM's sales incentives and buying programs (employee pricing, 0% financing) helped put GM at #1 recently, but hurt GM's bottom line. #1 in sales ... #1 in bankuptcy. Maybe #2 behind Ford. ;)

When I was at the Detroit auto show in January I asked one of the engineers standing in the Camaro display what will the weight of the production car be and he said "around 3600-lbs". Also, according to the new GMHTP they said GM is still debating between the IRS rear suspension and a live axle. So, there is a possibility it may be a decent weight. But only time will tell.


GM doesn't even know if they'll make it. How does the guy at the auto show know what it will weigh. Who knows what the safety regulations will be then.

Not only that but if you're talking about the guy in the pic below, I someone ask him if he thought that it would run 11s in the 1/4 and he said that it should be a mid 11 second car. HA. I almost told both of them how stupid they were, but I didn't want to get kicked out.