Street Racing & Kill Stories - new wrx vs SS

I work at pepboys and i have a 2000 ss camaro 6 speed and this guy just got a 2007 subaru wrx and he thinks he can beat me so i made a wager when it gets nicer out side that i will run him for a $100 dollars and he said yea we are both stock and stick. any ideas?

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Well if it's just a wrx and not an sti, I'd think you should be able to take him as long as you don't completely roast the tires at the start. Those are only 225hp so he'll get a good jump at the start because of the AWD but you should be able to come back by the top of second gear. I'm not really sure what the brand new one's run but the 2005's are only said to run 14.6 in the 1/4 stock.

If it's just the WRX, you should take him with not much trouble. You have quite a bit of HP on him. If it's the STI, then it's a driver's race. He'll probably get you out of the hole, unless you are really good at launching.

In before the :lock:

I think the new ones 06 and up are faster than the 05's, i read a while ago on their forums they were hittin high 13's stock i believe, probably be a good run but id give the edge to you

I have no idea what the outcome of the race might be, but I would put my money on the SS.... and oh yeah..... gsrhunter is in before the :lock:

good kill...

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In befor the lock...!

Haha you should beat him if you can get a decent luanch....the longer the race goes the better your kill will be!

youll eat him alive...the only scary party is at first when hell put 2 or 3 cars on you.....but have faith in your American Muscle as youll run him down without a problem, I would know, ive seen me do it

Hell I beat an STI and 'm stock! didn't severely pass him until around 60 though. So you should be more than fine....

youll eat him alive...the only scary party is at first when hell put 2 or 3 cars on you.....but have faith in your American Muscle as youll run him down without a problem, I would know, ive seen me do it

And I was in the passenger seat. Man was that fun.

What's your elevation?
Roll or dig?

Unless its high altatude on bad roads I predict you win. Even then I would bet on you. Use this 100 to get a lid.

Drive your race, not his. Dont spin to the moon on launch, just chirp them a bit and use the long gearing and power. Dont do a really short race. And turn off the TC ;)

You should win no problem.

Ive seen bone stock 06 WRX's here go 13.7 to 14.0, you should pull him pretty hard. Oh and make sure he is 100% STOCK because he could be hiding a few things and easily be into the 12s. BTW I love Fbodys but a stock 06 STi would rape a stock SS, seen it happen a million times, especially if the STi driver knows how to launch.

Ive seen bone stock 06 WRX's here go 13.7 to 14.0, you should pull him pretty hard. Oh and make sure he is 100% STOCK because he could be hiding a few things and easily be into the 12s. BTW I love Fbodys but a stock 06 STi would rape a stock SS, seen it happen a million times, especially if the STi driver knows how to launch.

A STI wont rape a stock LS1, it would have a hard time beating it period. The only time it would be ahead is the launch but the SS would pull it up top.

A STI wont rape a stock LS1, it would have a hard time beating it period. The only time it would be ahead is the launch but the SS would pull it up top.
Concur!

At anyrate tear that WRX a new one!
IBT :lock:

Oh yeah, IBT :lock:

WHAT WILL HAPPEN is your going to kill that STI! :devil: Oh! I almost forgot, I want to be cool like everyone else and say IBT :lock: too.

youll win if you can drive decently (sp?)
i actaulyl have the same thing coming up, a junior at my high school bought a new WRX "TR" edition and thinks its gods gift to street racing, i asked him what the tr are stood for and he didnt know but he knew it was abnout 100lbs lighter than a stock one... i gotta get some money out of this kid

youll win if you can drive decently (sp?)
i actaulyl have the same thing coming up, a junior at my high school bought a new WRX "TR" edition and thinks its gods gift to street racing, i asked him what the tr are stood for and he didnt know but he knew it was abnout 100lbs lighter than a stock one... i gotta get some money out of this kid
All that's different about the TR is that it has a performance exhaust system from the factory, I dunno if it's lighter or not though.

youll win if you can drive decently (sp?)
i actaulyl have the same thing coming up, a junior at my high school bought a new WRX "TR" edition and thinks its gods gift to street racing, i asked him what the tr are stood for and he didnt know but he knew it was abnout 100lbs lighter than a stock one... i gotta get some money out of this kid
You have a camaro SS in high school? No offense but almost every post I read from you are barley believable.

A STI wont rape a stock LS1, it would have a hard time beating it period. The only time it would be ahead is the launch but the SS would pull it up top.
Says an evo owner, biased much?

as long as its not an STI you will totally ass rape him, even if its an STI he will get the jump on you but you should still win as long as your a descent driver....I raced an '04 WRX STI in my '02 M6 TA and all I had was catback, lid, and shifter and from a dig I put 3-4 lengths on it pretty quickly to about 70

as long as its not an STI you will totally ass rape him, even if its an STI he will get the jump on you but you should still win as long as your a descent driver....I raced an '04 WRX STI in my '02 M6 TA and all I had was catback, lid, and shifter and from a dig I put 3-4 lengths on it pretty quickly to about 70Theres a huge difference between an 04 STi and a 06 STi. Am I the only Fbody owner who understands STis are actually pretty quick even stock? My LT1 runs low 13s and I got walked by a stock 06 STi up to 110, then I started to pull on him.

The faster the race goes will be to your advantage, AWD loses its power the faster it goes from what I understand......should be a pretty convincing win for u if u launch & shift right:)

You have a camaro SS in high school? No offense but almost every post I read from you are barley believable.

whats wrong with having an SS in high school? are you jealous that my daddy loves me more than your daddy loved you and bought me a better car? and for my area my SS isnt even that special... everyday i park next to a brand new M5 and a range rover sport, both driven by kids at my high school and bought for them not for the parents


Theres a huge difference between an 04 STi and a 06 STi. Am I the only Fbody owner who understands STis are actually pretty quick even stock? My LT1 runs low 13s and I got walked by a stock 06 STi up to 110, then I started to pull on him.

i work on and modify STIs everyday.. I know there potential and know that given how the average person doesnt know how to get everything out of the Subi it is alot easier for the LS1 to win

for it to really be a problem the subi needs to be driven at an above average level to compete with an averagely driven LS1

All that's different about the TR is that it has a performance exhaust system from the factory, I dunno if it's lighter or not though.
its lighter i work at a subaru dealership

The older STI's are heavier with 2.0l, the 06's while being lighter also have the advantage of the 2.5l displacement. Even stock my 06 STI pulled 6th gear hard. With TBE and 93octane map, this car is on another planet.

Disregarding all the idiot ricers who put BOV's on there car for the sound, and who can't fn drive anyway: Your average bolt on LS1 vs TBE mapped 06 STI: the STI will win from a dig and be drivers race from rolls.

I think there is alot of misconception on the turbo AWD cars top end. Sure there could be up to 10% higher loss from the AWD system vs the RWD. That would mean the AWD would:

a) have to be 10% lighter than the RWD car it is racing

or

b) have to make 10% more HP

Compared to my f-body my 06 STI is 400 pounds lighter: therefore it is slightly more than 10% lighter. So really against average weight F-bodies it is Hp vs HP and driver abillity to launch.

The STI/EVO has very short gears down low so yes that makes for a lower trap speed and an illusion of; slow on a roll from 30-120mph. But when a turbo car gets into higher gears (especially a turbo 6 speed) it is at max hp for much longer and at 120mph + that apparent lack of roll speed disappears.

whats wrong with having an SS in high school? are you jealous that my daddy loves me more than your daddy loved you and bought me a better car? and for my area my SS isnt even that special... everyday i park next to a brand new M5 and a range rover sport, both driven by kids at my high school and bought for them not for the parents

You just showed us what is wrong with owning a ss in high school, you didn't buy it and therefore you take it for granted. You would appriciate that car a LOT more if you had to actually do something for it other than sweet talk daddy.

Back on topic, you'd have no problem beating a wrx. Half of the ones I see around have horrible drivers that bog the launch anyway. Race him, take his money and his pride.

whats wrong with having an SS in high school? are you jealous that my daddy loves me more than your daddy loved you and bought me a better car? and for my area my SS isnt even that special... everyday i park next to a brand new M5 and a range rover sport, both driven by kids at my high school and bought for them not for the parents




i work on and modify STIs everyday.. I know there potential and know that given how the average person doesnt know how to get everything out of the Subi it is alot easier for the LS1 to win

for it to really be a problem the subi needs to be driven at an above average level to compete with an averagely driven LS1


its lighter i work at a subaru dealership I would bet any money that everything you just said is 100% bullshit. Why even try, nobody on here believes you. BTW my parents are pretty wealthy and I still barley ended up with a bolt on LT1 camaro my sophomore year, then again im not a spoiled brat.

I would bet any money that everything you just said is 100% bullshit. Why even try, nobody on here believes you. BTW my parents are pretty wealthy and I still barley ended up with a bolt on LT1 camaro my sophomore year, then again im not a spoiled brat.
Where do you live? Because i would be more than happy to bring you into the dealership and show you around, also i would get to show you the 560 awhp STI that me and the owners son just built...
and i worked my ass off to pay for half of my SS

The difference is that you have an LT1. Edge to the LS1 if they race past 100MPH.
Theres a huge difference between an 04 STi and a 06 STi. Am I the only Fbody owner who understands STis are actually pretty quick even stock? My LT1 runs low 13s and I got walked by a stock 06 STi up to 110, then I started to pull on him.

That is a beautiful SS for just being in H.S.
Where do you live? Because i would be more than happy to bring you into the dealership and show you around, also i would get to show you the 560 awhp STI that me and the owners son just built...
and i worked my ass off to pay for half of my SS

Ive seen bone stock 06 WRX's here go 13.7 to 14.0, you should pull him pretty hard. Oh and make sure he is 100% STOCK because he could be hiding a few things and easily be into the 12s. BTW I love Fbodys but a stock 06 STi would rape a stock SS, seen it happen a million times, especially if the STi driver knows how to launch.

I've driven a brand new STI a few months ago and wasn't really impressed by it. It was definitely a nice car and pulled very very nicely for a 4 cylinder, but it didn't compare to my f-body. Regular WRX is out of the question!

I also raced a brand new STI with paper plates on. We got on the highway and went from 55-60mph roll. I put few lengths on him by 110-120mph. He had a passanger and probably was still getting used to the car, but I left him pretty far back.

Never went against an STI from a dig, but based on how I was pulling away from the one I raced I think I would be able to close the gap that could possibly get from a dig and then get a little bit ahead as the speed would be rising. Also there aren't that many people that know how to get everything out of their AWD car from a dig and others simply don't want to abuse it. So chances to get pulled on from a dig are not that high, at least in my area. And then LS1's top end kicks in and you know what happens after that...

^^^ your Firehawk has at least 345hp and maybe more if it is at all modded. With the passenger; the STI you raced gave up a significant portion of it's 10% weight advantage and you had more HP.

From a dig thru the 1/4 mile (even in the rain or on the street), that stock 300hp STI would be in the very low 13's and give you a race of a lifetime. These new turbo cars have ECU's that need to learn and adjust timing, your not going to get the best performance out of them when they are a new car.

With my F-body; which was a stage I GMMG Blackbird that had 380hp/400tq w/ 3.73 gears: I pulled a 12.95 1/4 mile @110mph. Granted, I was on street tires (but I did pull a 1.98 60'). I saw alot of stock and slightly modded F-bodies as well as slightly modded Mustang GT's struggling to get into the low 13's. And none except me hit 12's. A stock 06 STI can pull those times...........

IBT :lock: the only way he could beat u is 1 u suck at driving, 2 the roads are slippery + raining or ice, 3 he lied to u and he has mods that put him in the 12's, or he slashes ur tires and runs away :jest:

Ive seen bone stock 06 WRX's here go 13.7 to 14.0, you should pull him pretty hard. Oh and make sure he is 100% STOCK because he could be hiding a few things and easily be into the 12s. BTW I love Fbodys but a stock 06 STi would rape a stock SS, seen it happen a million times, especially if the STi driver knows how to launch.

STI raping a LS1?? If your talking about a short sprint maybe but the LS1 is the faster car once it builds up to speed. Now the EVO 9 MR would be an interesting race for a stock LS1 F-Bod. With that Mivec Turbo they got they're capable of running low 13's/high 12's trapping at 105+. I've seen a bone stock MR run a 12.9 at 106 stock.

Ive seen bone stock 06 WRX's here go 13.7 to 14.0, you should pull him pretty hard. Oh and make sure he is 100% STOCK because he could be hiding a few things and easily be into the 12s. BTW I love Fbodys but a stock 06 STi would rape a stock SS, seen it happen a million times, especially if the STi driver knows how to launch.

I hope you are joking...even though I don't think you are.

You really think a stock 06 STI will rape an SS?? Do you understand that an LS1 is not an LT1?? I think you are confused.

See, LS1's put down around 300WHP stock. They weigh ~3400lbs. They have 6 speed manuals. STI's put down around ~245WHP stock. They weigh ~3300lbs. They also have 6 speeds. Its a drivers race from a dig because the STI can launch hard, but from a roll its ownage by the LS1.

Says an evo owner, biased much?

Nope, was going to get an STI before the Evo but the Evo had much better potential. I just know that a new Evo IX is faster then a STI and a drivers race with a LS1. Therefor LS1 is faster then an STI, alot depends on driver though.

^^^ your Firehawk has at least 345hp and maybe more if it is at all modded. With the passenger; the STI you raced gave up a significant portion of it's 10% weight advantage and you had more HP.

From a dig thru the 1/4 mile (even in the rain or on the street), that stock 300hp STI would be in the very low 13's and give you a race of a lifetime. These new turbo cars have ECU's that need to learn and adjust timing, your not going to get the best performance out of them when they are a new car.

With my F-body; which was a stage I GMMG Blackbird that had 380hp/400tq w/ 3.73 gears: I pulled a 12.95 1/4 mile @110mph. Granted, I was on street tires (but I did pull a 1.98 60'). I saw alot of stock and slightly modded F-bodies as well as slightly modded Mustang GT's struggling to get into the low 13's. And none except me hit 12's. A stock 06 STI can pull those times...........

I raced STI back when I had my Z28 with lid and a catback. My Z28 ran 12.92@110mph. No stock STI traps around 110mph, so I had a definite advantage from a roll. From a dig to a 1/4mi he would have to work very very hard and hope I have a so-so launch to beat me. Racing from a dig and given a perfect launch to the STI (which doesn't happen often) I would have to launch my car well, like I do most of the time, and just go through the gears. I would probably catch him after 8th mi and then put a few lengths on him towards the end of 1/4 mi. Anything above 1/4 would just get ugly for him.

And Hawk has a few mods with 330whp and 340tq, so I'm not too worried about stock or lightly modded STI's :)


Nope, was going to get an STI before the Evo but the Evo had much better potential. I just know that a new Evo IX is faster then a STI and a drivers race with a LS1. Therefor LS1 is faster then an STI, alot depends on driver though.

Driver's race from a dig. :)

Nope, was going to get an STI before the Evo but the Evo had much better potential. I just know that a new Evo IX is faster then a STI and a drivers race with a LS1. Therefor LS1 is faster then an STI, alot depends on driver though.

Please lets not get into this endless arguement. Believe me there are as many reasons for people to feel the STI has more potential than the EVO as you do that the EVO has more than the STI. These cars are so damn close that it really comes down to driver prefferance. If we were to talk stock 1/4 mile times (from reputable and unbiased sources). C&D has the 06 Evo MR at 4.5 sec 0-60 and 13.3sec 1/4mile. The 06 STI at 4.5 sec 0-60 and 13.0sec 1/4mile.

I raced STI back when I had my Z28 with lid and a catback. My Z28 ran 12.92@110mph. No stock STI traps around 110mph, so I had a definite advantage from a roll. From a dig to a 1/4mi he would have to work very very hard and hope I have a so-so launch to beat me. Racing from a dig and given a perfect launch to the STI (which doesn't happen often) I would have to launch my car well, like I do most of the time, and just go through the gears. I would probably catch him after 8th mi and then put a few lengths on him towards the end of 1/4 mi. Anything above 1/4 would just get ugly for him.

And Hawk has a few mods with 330whp and 340tq, so I'm not too worried about stock or lightly modded STI's :)

Well 2 car length or so win from the Z28, that is about what one would expect from a slightly modded Z28 vs stock STI from a roll with passenger. And you are correct getting the most out of a STI is not easy, they have the most tricky shifting tranny I have ever driven. Man I miss my Tremmec M-6.

12.92 1/4 for the Z is moving out!! Really nice for only lid and catback. You were def. outpowering him. And getting a time like that with those few mods is a sign you are a very good driver. Do you ever go to commerce? I am planning to head down there to get a slip with my STI. They open for Fast Friday March 9th. it would be cool if a couple of you guys could make it. I would like to see how my TBE/tune does against your Firehawk, I think it would be an excellent race. A local car club that I belong to (Mountain Boost) is making a trip down there. So far we've got going: 2 STI's, an EVO a GT 500, and a 10sec Supra who is shooting for the 9's this time.

The Evo is beter in a strait line. Sorry.

But one of the coolest people I ever met at a track was this guy with a mild bolt-on STi running high 12s. He knew his stuff and strait said that Evos are simply better geared and easier to mod for strait line performance. And the results that I have seen online and in the real world back that. The EJXX is not a match for the 4G63.

Fortuneatly for Subaru, Mitsu has gone and fucked the one good thing they had going and now we will all get to shake our heads sadly while the Evo X runs around with a weak-assed-open-freakin-deck-aluminum-pansy-engine-block. Leave it to Mistu to take the one great motor they have and toss it right when its truly coming into its own. RB11. Gahhhh!

WTF are you guys talking about, a stock 06 STi not only runs the 1/4th in .3 faster, but traps higher than the evo. They are both ass ugly cars but the suby even looks better and sounds better. For every fast Evo there are about 5 fast STi's, atleast where I am. And yes from a roll an LS1 fbody will beat both the evo and STi but in the 1/4th stock vs stock Id have my money on the Sti or evo if the driver knew how to launch.

^^^ I have to agree all except the butt ugly LOL. Tho I must admit I was not struck by how beautiful it was like I was my Blackbird. I still think the 00-02 WS6's are the best looking cars ever built by Pontiac. But I needed a car with AWD so there was only 2 real choices and I liked the look of the Subaru better. Since I don't plan on getting outrageous HP; from what I've seen and heard the Subaru may be more reliable than the Mitsubishi.

What I did notice (and could be considered beautiful) the car came stock with: a 300hp/300tq Boxer engine, 17" forged BBS rims, Brembo Brakes, DCCD, yaw input sensor, symetrical AWD, diffusion panels, IC spray, and projector headlights (seeing at night=cool).

.3 in the 1/4 is rape. True you can get higher psi out of the stock EVO IX MR turbo and it comes FMIC. Which almost undoubtably makes for higher rpm for full spool. However at truly high levels of HP both cars have almost no resemblance to stock. And becomes a simple game of how much money you have......................

WOW.. A whole lot of wrong info in this tread. I can see if you don't own a car that you aren't expected to know anything/everything about it, but don't go posting wrong info.

The 06 WRX has a 2.5L, AVCS heads, larger injectors(even bigger then the STi, go figure) and a catless up/pipe and a better tranny (beefier and better gearing), 02 to 05 had a 2.0L and no advanced timing (aka AVCS), small injectors, catted up/pipe and a weak tranny.

The TR stands for Tuner Ready and besides the weight (due to normal AC not climate controled and some missing body parts) it is the same as a normal WRX. In 06 Subaru gave more options and divided the WRX up in to 3 classes, WRX-TR, WRX and WRX-limited(leather and other crap).

06 STi is basically the same as the 04/05 STi motor wise. The 07 has a different turbo (larger exhaust housing/flapper) and new ECU (able to learn a lot better) and seems like heads too. The 07 are pulling crazy power from very little mods and no tuning. Learn more here if you give a sh|t (http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1151951)

Stock 06+ WRX has gone 13.6 in the 1/4 mile. The best thing about the 06+ is to mod them is easy. With the larger injectors, open up/pipe you can swap turbos a lot easier. Do turbo back exhaust, vf39(stock STi turbo can be had for $250.00) and a flash/ecu which ever way you go and you have a mid to low 12 second car. If you do the work/tune yourself and bargain shop you can do it for under $700.00.

For comparison my 2002 with a vf39 went 12.4 and thats with a 2.0L.

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Please lets not get into this endless arguement. Believe me there are as many reasons for people to feel the STI has more potential than the EVO as you do that the EVO has more than the STI. These cars are so damn close that it really comes down to driver prefferance. If we were to talk stock 1/4 mile times (from reputable and unbiased sources). C&D has the 06 Evo MR at 4.5 sec 0-60 and 13.3sec 1/4mile. The 06 STI at 4.5 sec 0-60 and 13.0sec 1/4mile.


I was referring to the mod potential of the engines. Not trying to get into a arguement. Anyone knows that the 4G63 is one of the best 4cyl ever made, the Suby just doesnt respond quite as well, I still like them though and have several friends with them.

Well 2 car length or so win from the Z28, that is about what one would expect from a slightly modded Z28 vs stock STI from a roll with passenger. And you are correct getting the most out of a STI is not easy, they have the most tricky shifting tranny I have ever driven. Man I miss my Tremmec M-6.

12.92 1/4 for the Z is moving out!! Really nice for only lid and catback. You were def. outpowering him. And getting a time like that with those few mods is a sign you are a very good driver. Do you ever go to commerce? I am planning to head down there to get a slip with my STI. They open for Fast Friday March 9th. it would be cool if a couple of you guys could make it. I would like to see how my TBE/tune does against your Firehawk, I think it would be an excellent race. A local car club that I belong to (Mountain Boost) is making a trip down there. So far we've got going: 2 STI's, an EVO a GT 500, and a 10sec Supra who is shooting for the 9's this time.

Thanks for the props man. I just practice enough to the point where I can totally feel the car (usually takes 25-40 1/4mi passes).

Would love to have a friendly run with you as well :)

Where is commerce? I live near Baltimore.

Evo's, STI's, and WRX's are slow. Who doesn't know that?

WTF are you guys talking about, a stock 06 STi not only runs the 1/4th in .3 faster, but traps higher than the evo. They are both ass ugly cars but the suby even looks better and sounds better. For every fast Evo there are about 5 fast STi's, atleast where I am. And yes from a roll an LS1 fbody will beat both the evo and STi but in the 1/4th stock vs stock Id have my money on the Sti or evo if the driver knew how to launch.

I'm sorry but the new EVO 9 with that Mivec Turbo is clearly a stronger car in a straight line over the STI. I've seen a bone stock time of 12.9 at 106 for a stock EVO 9 MR. An '06 STI won't get close to trapping at 106. With that Mivec Turbo the Evo 9 has gotten stronger all throughout the rpm's and have a much better top end than the EVO 8. The new Evolution has surpassed the STI in all-around performance.

Evo's, STI's, and WRX's are slow. Who doesn't know that?

They are not that bad in a stock form and have a very nice potential!!!

Evo's, STI's, and WRX's are fast. Who doesn't know that?

Wow, smartest thing Ive ever heard you say :jest:

I'm sorry but the new EVO 9 with that Mivec Turbo is clearly a stronger car in a straight line over the STI. I've seen a bone stock time of 12.9 at 106 for a stock EVO 9 MR. An '06 STI won't get close to trapping at 106. With that Mivec Turbo the Evo 9 has gotten stronger all throughout the rpm's and have a much better top end than the EVO 8. The new Evolution has surpassed the STI in all-around performance.Sti's have gone 12.8 stock. The STi is obviously the better car, why the hell do you think all the ricers worship it instead of the evo?? Stock vs stock its faster, its also lighter and and all around smaller car. Nearly every test they have done the Sti always comes out on top, and the funny thing is the Sti is a little cheaper to. And on top of alllllllllll that, the Evo is built by the shittyest car company in the world, MITSUSHITSI.

Sti's have gone 12.8 stock. The STi is obviously the better car, why the hell do you think all the ricers worship it instead of the evo?? Stock vs stock its faster, its also lighter and and all around smaller car. Nearly every test they have done the Sti always comes out on top, and the funny thing is the Sti is a little cheaper to. And on top of alllllllllll that, the Evo is built by the shittyest car company in the world, MITSUSHITSI.

That's just straight up hating man! Be nice!

I personally like both, but since I mostly race in a straight line I would've went with Evo. I also can't stand the looks of a new body STI.

Thanks for the props man. I just practice enough to the point where I can totally feel the car (usually takes 25-40 1/4mi passes).

Would love to have a friendly run with you as well :)

Where is commerce? I live near Baltimore.

Np, I give credit where credit is due.

Hmm Baltimore lol; sometimes I forget this is not the southern section, I should have looked at your location. Commerce is south of Atlanta GA. so yeah it would be a stretch for ya to make it.

Haha, a bit too far of a drive unfortunately :(

I can't wait for the track to open up, so I can start practicing with my hawk. Only took it to the track once, a week after I bought it, and times weren't that impressive, but I know I got some room for improvement.

Got any times for the STI? Or you waiting for the tracks to open up in March?

That's just straight up hating man! Be nice!

I personally like both, but since I mostly race in a straight line I would've went with Evo. I also can't stand the looks of a new body STI. The new evo body style looks even worse. It really dosnt matter though, both are over priced weed wacker powered rice boxes that are no match for the LS1.

All I know is that it's getting scarier everyday for us bonestock guys. Too many cars nowadays will smoke the shit out of me :cry:

I like the looks of evo better than STI, but it's just a personal preference.

I wouldn't say that they are weed wacker powered rice boxes. I woudn't mind ownding either one! I get bored with cars really fast and if it wasn't for the price, I wouldn't definitely get one of those cars to drive around for some time.

just dont start out in a dig, and you'll smoke the shit out of him, well even at a dig you should smoke him

Sombody :lock: this sh*t down finally!!!!!

They're a memory after first gear.

It really dosnt matter though, both are over priced weed wacker powered rice boxes that are no match for the LS1.
:jest: In what a run to 150mph?

They're a memory after first gear.
:eyes: I'm sure there are a few LS1's out there that thought that before they raced me.

:jest: In what a run to 150mph?


:eyes: I'm sure there are a few LS1's out there that thought that before they raced me.


Funny i raced a wrx with a turbo swap front mount conversion full turbo back exhaust and alcohol injection and i beat him in my last t/a and i was just a bolt on car...he didnt even beat me out of the hole....your car does not impress me :devil:

Funny i raced a wrx with a turbo swap front mount conversion full turbo back exhaust and alcohol injection and i beat him in my last t/a and i was just a bolt on car...he didnt even beat me out of the hole....your car does not impress me :devil:
And a off the lot Pontiac is impressive? :eyes: Unless you are running single digits with your car it's far from "impressive".

What impresses me is my car runs mid to low 12's and when NEPA had all that snow my car just ployed through it. How man 12 second LS1 did I see out in the snow? Yeah that was NONE.

Dude get your head right.

And a off the lot Pontiac is impressive? :eyes: Unless you are running single digits with your car it's far from "impressive".

What impresses me is my car runs mid to low 12's and when NEPA had all that snow my car just ployed through it. How man 12 second LS1 did I see out in the snow? Yeah that was NONE.

Dude get your head right.


Hes just ignorant, dont waist your time with people like that....


No one should be out launching awd cars on a normal street tire, Drag radials or slicks is a totaly different story.

And a off the lot Pontiac is impressive? :eyes: Unless you are running single digits with your car it's far from "impressive".

What impresses me is my car runs mid to low 12's and when NEPA had all that snow my car just ployed through it. How man 12 second LS1 did I see out in the snow? Yeah that was NONE.

Dude get your head right.

If your car was so fast and impressive normally, and everyone knew it, you wouldn't have to use the lame "I can drive in the snow" arguement. I don't understand why you guys are trying to impress everyone here. The people making fun of you guys aren't going to change their minds.

And a off the lot Pontiac is impressive? :eyes: Unless you are running single digits with your car it's far from "impressive".

What impresses me is my car runs mid to low 12's and when NEPA had all that snow my car just ployed through it. How man 12 second LS1 did I see out in the snow? Yeah that was NONE.

Dude get your head right.


omg you can race in snow sweet man excuse me while i dont share you enthusiasm in runnnin around when there 10'' on the ground. last time i checked they dont put snow on the 1320 so why would i go to all the trouble to make my car good in snow when i race in the summer? and im the one that needs to check my head?? good joke go fuck yourself

there is no fair street race. Put some BFG's on and do some free mods.

And a off the lot Pontiac is impressive? :eyes: Unless you are running single digits with your car it's far from "impressive".

What impresses me is my car runs mid to low 12's and when NEPA had all that snow my car just ployed through it. How man 12 second LS1 did I see out in the snow? Yeah that was NONE.

Dude get your head right.


My beater is your race car

Haha, a bit too far of a drive unfortunately :(

I can't wait for the track to open up, so I can start practicing with my hawk. Only took it to the track once, a week after I bought it, and times weren't that impressive, but I know I got some room for improvement.

Got any times for the STI? Or you waiting for the tracks to open up in March?

Yeah I only had 2 weekends at the track with my Blackbird, I def. feel I had another couple of tenths in it (especially if I had gone back with DR's).

No I don't have any times for the STI yet, March will be the first time at the track. I am hoping to do better than stock tho!! I'd be happy with any sub 13 run.

I Beat A Stock Wrx With An Lt1 I Think You Mite Win

If your car was so fast and impressive normally, and everyone knew it, you wouldn't have to use the lame "I can drive in the snow" arguement. I don't understand why you guys are trying to impress everyone here. The people making fun of you guys aren't going to change their minds.
Lame? Haha yeah being able to drive you car full time is lame. Truth is I don't need anyone approval for my car. I've owned more Chevy's when a good 90% of the people here. My WRX is my 1st tuner car. My car runs fairly quick times. It's not the fastest car I have owned but it's the only one in the 12's and able to drive full time in NEPA.

omg you can race in snow sweet man excuse me while i dont share you enthusiasm in runnnin around when there 10'' on the ground. last time i checked they dont put snow on the 1320 so why would i go to all the trouble to make my car good in snow when i race in the summer? and im the one that needs to check my head?? good joke go fuck yourself
So your LS1 is ONLY build for the 1320? :eyes:
I don't need to mod my car to drive in any weather. My car can drive in the snow, rain, dirt, AutoX, Rally or the 1320 and beat a lot of cars doing it.

And be thankful they don't put snow on the 1320 (I'm sure somewhere some crazy fools have done this, wouldn't shock me to see it on the internet). If they did I can see a lot of fbodies going down to a Toyota Tercel. :jest:

there is no fair street race. Put some BFG's on and do some free mods.
Then it wouldn't be a stock for stock race now would it?

My beater is your race car
Hehe race car huh? Dude my WRX is my family car. My "race" car will be the LS1 powered IROC. :drive:

All I know is that it's getting scarier everyday for us bonestock guys. Too many cars nowadays will smoke the shit out of me :cry:

With your LS1 Camaro SS your still one of the rulers on the block as a low 13 sec car.

You think it's scary for you?? How you think I feel in my stock auto '02 GT Mustang!! S** t I have to be on the lookout for Altima's and Accords!! :cry:

Sti's have gone 12.8 stock. The STi is obviously the better car, why the hell do you think all the ricers worship it instead of the evo?? Stock vs stock its faster, its also lighter and and all around smaller car. Nearly every test they have done the Sti always comes out on top, and the funny thing is the Sti is a little cheaper to. And on top of alllllllllll that, the Evo is built by the shittyest car company in the world, MITSUSHITSI.

Even if the STI did do 12.8 it sure as hell was trapping close to 106 and it is still weak on top end compared to the EVO 9. Also all the mag tests I've seen(including top gear) the '06 Evo has been the preferred car over '06 STI. Check it.

My beater is your race car
:eek2: Now that's ownage :judge:

My beater is your race car

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:owned:

Driving around in wet/ crappy weather really makes me miss my DSM.....AWD is awsome for everyday.....


Now all I do is spin.....

Driving around in wet/ crappy weather really makes me miss my DSM.....AWD is awsome for everyday.....


Now all I do is spin.....

If all you do is spin then either you can't drive, or your car is not set up properly. I had over 500rwhp/tq on my C5 and managed just fine on street tires. DSM's are for kids.

DSM's are for kids.

That's a really bald statement... There are plenty of fast DSM's and it never hurt anyone to give respect when it's due :)

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:owned:


hehe i always wanted to say that.




and to the dude with the ls1 iroc...good luck with that..itll make a nice setup.

If all you do is spin then either you can't drive, or your car is not set up properly. I had over 500rwhp/tq on my C5 and managed just fine on street tires. DSM's are for kids.

I believe he was refering to wet weather, or not the best road conditions, and being in a position where he needs to accelerate hard and can't. My Bird only had 337rwhp and I didn't like to drive it in the rain.

Hell it's precipitating, what: 25% of the time? Bad road conditions 5% (more like 50% where I live :eyes: ). So out in the real world, you've got at least 30% of the time or more when it's great to be in a quick AWD.

If your only purpose for the vehicle was roll racing the freeway or 1/4 mile track days there is no way in hell you can beat an F-body for price, performance and looks.

If all you do is spin then either you can't drive, or your car is not set up properly. I had over 500rwhp/tq on my C5 and managed just fine on street tires. DSM's are for kids.


Yeah im sure it did :eyes:


Daily driving with awd is by far way better than having a rwd car.... :bang:

Driving in the wet/gravel/dusty roads AWD owns plain and simple...

Yeah im sure it did :eyes:


Daily driving with awd is by far way better than having a rwd car.... :bang:

Driving in the wet/gravel/dusty roads AWD owns plain and simple...

If you drive fast enough to need AWD on wet, gravel, or dirt roads, then you are a moron, plain and simple.

Yeah im sure it did :eyes:


Daily driving with awd is by far way better than having a rwd car.... :bang:

Driving in the wet/gravel/dusty roads AWD owns plain and simple...

Actually it did, I'm pretty sure I would know. AWD is better for snow, thats about all under normal conditions. I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but most cars drive just fine in the rain, gravel, or "dust" regardless of which wheels are being powered. The only way AWD is "better" in rain is if your trying to drive like an idiot, and yes, you are an idiot if you try to race or drive aggressively in adverse weather conditions. It's obvious you have a hardon for highschool AWD japanese takout boxes, but lets look at things realistically. Believe it or not, normal responsible adults don't "need" AWD to survive in the rain, gravel, or "dust". And what the hell does "dust" have to do with anything. Since when does "dust" care if you have AWD or RWD? Lets face it, AWD is really just a selling point that all the dumbass highschoolers fall for. The only time its useful is if your going to drive around in the snow, and even at that it makes more sense to take something a little heavier anyway. AWD is probably the most over rated thing I can think of when it comes to cars.

If you drive fast enough to need AWD on wet, gravel, or dirt roads, then you are a moron, plain and simple.

About time someone chimed in with some common sense. I guess we do have adults around here. :judge:

If your car was so fast and impressive normally, and everyone knew it, you wouldn't have to use the lame "I can drive in the snow" arguement. I don't understand why you guys are trying to impress everyone here. The people making fun of you guys aren't going to change their minds.
You must really hate Subaru's or Evo's or all the imports for that matter :jest:

About time someone chimed in with some common sense. I guess we do have adults around here. :judge:



Sir honestly relax with the "you cant drive thing" I rarely post on here. However every time I make my way down to this section. I some how find you trying your best to oppose every ones opinions. All I am saying is relax with the overzealous cocky speech’s and stop acting like you are the end all be all definition of a driver. We are all on the same damn team here

haha, i wouldnt bet money in advance, whos to say he wont up the boost a few pounds or something you cant see....
just a thought

You must really hate Subaru's or Evo's or all the imports for that matter :jest:

No, I don't hate them. I just like to mix up a good arguement if people take the time to start one.

Sir honestly relax with the "you cant drive thing" I rarely post on here. However every time I make my way down to this section. I some how find you trying your best to oppose every ones opinions. All I am saying is relax with the overzealous cocky speech’s and stop acting like you are the end all be all definition of a driver. We are all on the same damn team here

I'm confused, where did I say I was such a great driver?

maybe i just see thing is a different way. thats just the way you come off some times. At any rate i dont mean any offense

I work at pepboys and i have a 2000 ss camaro 6 speed and this guy just got a 2007 subaru wrx and he thinks he can beat me so i made a wager when it gets nicer out side that i will run him for a $100 dollars and he said yea we are both stock and stick. any ideas?

Been over a year who won? LOL! Or was it chicken shit talk?
:lock: Please!

just race him it's only a 100 bucks who cares... btw rubbing is racing= if you feel the lose coming put him into a wall, or parked car... something